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Originally posted by OG_Girl: Is she advertising hunger in Africa!! Hope so! LOL

Originally posted by commonsense: I love my sisters who wear hijab, but it isn't neccessary to wear every single color in the rainbow at ones. Yellow hijab, with purple shirt, with poker dot neon green/pink skirt with red sneakers and a blue bag. You don't want to look hideous. LOL That's what I was going to post. Sometimes it hurts my eyes to see all those colours put into one outfit I'd suggest a conservative look. Try grey, black, or white fashions. And add some colour in the summer. Just a hint

Originally posted by OG_Girl: Bari_Nomad : Did u say another Gift from "Seyad Bare"!!!! can u tell me what other gifts! OG_Girl, I was being sarcastic. Meaning he hasn't given anything good to Somalis. Other 'gifts' include the animosity created btw different tribes, the destructive war of 1977/78, the lack of development outside Xamar, the militaristic society he create, his bombing of hargeisa and Xamar on his way out, etc. Next time I'll make sure to break it down for ya P.S. the quotation was on the word "gift" not Siyaad

Q. Do you think it will attaract a cross-section of students? I think by Calling it East Africa University--it doesnt restrict itself to the Puntland region. It's always good to have a mix of different people from different places. Q. Do think it will survive? Well it was created in 2001 and survived the conflict in Puntland region. So it's a good sign that it will survive in the foreseeable future. Q. What are its implications? What does it say about Somaaliya today and its future? I think it shows the growing responsibilities regions/communities are taking upon themselves to fill the educational gap in Somalia. Before 1991, most institutions were centred in Mogadishu. Since then several educational/technical schools have been created. The future of Somalia depends on the collective actions we take. But I think it will be a bright future, Insha'Allah. _____________________________________________________________________ Here's an article from the BBC about EAU this week. Puntland university seeks peace dividend By Robert Walker BBC, Bossaso, Puntland A new university in Somalia's semi-autonomous region of Puntland is giving students the chance to study for degrees for the first time. The East African University has high ambitions And the university hopes the recent ceasefire in Puntland between government and rebels will allow it to expand further. The ambitiously named East Africa University opened its doors to students two years ago, but construction of the new campus - on the seafront close to the port of Bossaso - is still continuing. Abdi Weli Abdirahman is Dean of the Faculty of Business Administration. Like many of the teaching staff, he has returned from abroad. "I am an economist from the United States. I came back to teach my people in Puntland. I am a Puntlander", he says. Too dangerous But the past two years of fighting in Puntland has made it difficult for the new university to establish itself. Students know they can go to university and get a job and they can compete with the rest of the world Abdirizak Mohamed, Unicef Business student Abdirizak Abdullahi says many in his class stayed at home during the conflict. "Classes stopped. We could not come to university which is 5km from town because of the fighting. Everyone went home to save themselves," he recalls. The fledgling university is desperately short of funds. Dean Abdi Weli Abdirahman hopes the recent ceasefire in Puntland will bring a much needed peace dividend. "The new university is very costly to run. We do not get the funding we expect from the state, because most state revenue goes to security. "Soon, the peace is coming, we expect more money," he says. Future hopes There are few further education opportunities for school leavers in Puntland. The university offers everything from Sharia law in business studies Abdirizak Mohamed of the Bossaso office of the United Nations children's agency (Unicef) thinks it is important for the whole education sector that the new university succeeds. "If we have a university, we expect the enrolment in primary schools to increase. "Students know they can go to university and get a job and they can compete with the rest of the world. It's good for the future," he says. Back at the university staff and students say there is one key thing the university needs if it is to grow - and that is for Puntland's new peace to continue. Friday, 23 May, 2003, 08:43 GMT 09:43 UK http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3050481.stm

HA, I read a profile of him on BBC website: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/689405.stm Here's another pofile from World Leaders Mag: http://www.wlm.com/editorial/details.shtml?eab.REF=22 But you are right. Maybe THEY don't look like us; maybe WE look like them.

Originally posted by Samurai Warrior: I did not realise Bosaso had such a gorgeous landscape and beautiful trees. Well Kept secret I guess. Did you see that TALL guy? :eek: He must be 9-10 feet tall call GUINNESS WORLD RECORDS!! http://allpuntland.com/nabada/wanqal/16.htm

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Somalis travelled/settled in different parts of Africa. Or maybe we just look similar to different groups in Africa. Other groups who look Somali include: Some Indians, sri lankans, yemeni, bangladheshi, sudanese, east timorese, some carribean, some latin americans etc. This is the current president of Rwanda. He from the Tutsi tribe and looks Somali to me. http://www.rwanda1.com/government/president/portrait.htm

Originally posted by Khayr: I know for one I can't and it looks very Alien to me. Of course something that you have never heard of or seen will seem strange at first-that's natural. In 1961 both the Latin and Osmanya scripts were adopted for use in Somalia, but in 1969 there was a coup, with one of its stated aims the resolution of the debate over the country’s writing system. Latin orthography was adopted finally in 1973(Yet another 'gift' from Siyaad) What is 'Alien' is that Somalis have to use a foreign(Colonizer's) alphabet to write their own language. :mad: Have we been brainwashed into to thinking that we have to use western 'civilized' Latin script? :confused: I would rather use our own script--but it does not have to be Osmanya script. Any Somali script is better then a foreign one. The alphabet's are simple enough and are specialized to the Somali language. Osmanya is a simple alphabetic script, read from left to right in horizontal lines running from top to bottom. It has 22 consonants and 8 vowels. Unique long vowels are written for AA, EE, and OO; long UU and II are written with the consonants WAW and YA. There is a PDF file called 'Afkeenna iyo fartiisa', which is written in Osmanya/latin with some English translation. http://www.evertype.com/standards/iso10646/pdf/afkeenna-iyo-fartiisa.pdf For more info: http://somalinet.com/library/osmaniya/?show=micheal_int P.S. It also says that they are creating a computer font.

Originally posted by OG_Moti: 6. tea is made 5 times a day More like 50 times 11. u buy a computer and ur parents ask for bbc somali radio 24/7 How'd you know that? LOL 16. there are buttons missing on your TV, so you use fork to change the channels.. lol Actually the remote control too

What do you guys think of the BBC report posted by LadyFatima? Here's a piece from the article: Sex dilemma But with young Egyptians having to put off marriage as they struggle to find the money to pay for it, sex has become a major dilemma for many couples. Some now resort to controversial, unofficial "'urfi" marriages, in which they sign documents declaring themselves man and wife without telling their families. Many clerics are against a device that is essentially a cover for pre-marital sex. But the phenomenon is believed to be spreading. "It's young people's way of trying to legitimising what is socially illegitimate," says social researcher Sahar Tawila. _______________________________________________________________ I have never heard of this in Somali culture(interesting idea though ), but please don't tell me that Somalis back home didn't have sex before marriage. That probably went on a lot in the 1970's and 80's. Just my $0.02 CDN http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1314000/1314090.stm

Puntland Peace Accord DECLARATION OF THE MEDIATION AGREEMENT BY THE TWO TRADITIONAL LEADERS ON PUNTLAND PEACE PROCESS. Referring to the two letters of confidence Given to us by the President of Puntland State the Honourable Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed and General Mahamoud Muse Hirsi (Ade), Chairman of Puntland Salvation Council (PSC). Having observed the difficult political situation, the dispute that prevails and the misunderstanding that exists in the interpretation of the Governance in Puntland. Having been Given the Mandate to help and mediate and come up with a viable solution acceptable to the parties in conflict and to re-institute lasting peace and to creat fraternal atmosphere among the people of Puntland, we have decided on this Saturday the 17th of May 2003, the following:- That Puntland Salvation Council (PSC) shall be integrated to the Puntland Administration and be given the following positions from the Administration: A)Council of Ministers Ministers 3 Assistance Ministers 2 Director Generals 2 Directors 3 B) Puntland Forces The PSC shall be given one of the two Command Posts of the Puntland forces, namely Darawishta or the Police. To give one of the two main Economic stations the Airport or the Port to PSC. To integrate the officers of PSC to the Darawishta, the Police and the Prison Custodian forces. To integrate PSC militiamen with the Darawishta Forces. With the Exception of: - Sick Persons - Persons with out Rifle. - Persons Affiliated to Political Groups C) Regional Administration PSC should be given at least 2 Governor Posts. D) District Administration PSC should be given at least two district posts E) It is pertinent that Regional participation in higher Administration posts of Puntland be equitably shared:- We have therefore decided that the Supreme Court President of Puntland Administration should be given to Bari Region. F) PSC Should be given affordable compensation. G) Having made adequate consideration to the dire desire of the Population of Puntland in order to acquire a Democratic system of Administration and with in an autonomous law and Procedure, a free and fair local Government elections should be conducted as early as possible. H) To strengthen the unity, the brotherhood and full cooperation among Puntland Population, it is pertinent to form a committee of harmonisation that will look into how best to re-establish the past joint endeavours and working system. I) It is a pre-requisite that those selected personnel to any Administrative or Political post should have the capability and the qualifications required to carry out their duties diligently. J) SRC Conference in KENYA Three Delegates should be allocated to PSC to attend the on-going Somali National Reconciliation Conference in Kenya. H) Since all conflicts and hostilities in Puntland have ended and the PSC are fully integrated into the Puntland Administration as a result of this agreement of the 17th of May 2003, the Puntland Salvation Council ceases to exist immediately after signing this Peace Deal. K) The agreement would function immediately after the signing by the two sides L) This agreement is signed on Saturday the 17th of May 2003. For Puntland Administration Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed, President of Puntland State Puntland Salvation Council Gen. Mahmoud Musse Hirsi(Ade), Chairman of PSC Witnessed by Witnessed by Boqor Osman Aw-Mahamoud & Suldan Said Suldan AbdiSalan http://allpuntland.com/news1/news/news_item.asp?NewsID=232 ______________________________________________________________ Puntland Opponents Sign Peace Deal UN Integrated Regional Information Networks May 19, 2003 Nairobi The administration in the self-declared autonomous region of Puntland and opposition forces signed a peace deal on Saturday aimed at ending conflict in the region, a local journalist told IRIN on Monday. The talks which have been under way in Bosaso, the commercial capital, since 10 May, between the Puntland administration of Col Abdullahi Yusuf and the opposition led by Gen Ade Muse Hirsi, "ended with the signing of a power-sharing agreement between the two sides", said Muhammad Sa'id Kashawiito, of the Bosaso-based Midnimo radio. Under deal the opposition will have three ministers, two vice-ministers, two governors, two mayors and the commander of either the police force or the army, Kashawiito said. Furthermore, the opposition militia will be integrated into the Puntland security forces. "As of Saturday the opposition ceased to exist," Puntland's acting information minister Abdishakuur Mire Aden told IRIN. "The agreement brings to a close a dark chapter in Puntland's history." According to Kashawiito, the people of Puntland welcomed the peace agreement which ends two years of conflict and power struggle in the region. "On Saturday night, people were celebrating to welcome the agreement. Everybody hopes this is a new beginning for Puntland and an end to factional fighting," he said. The deal between Ade Muse, an ally of the rival claimant to the Puntland presidency, Jama Ali Jama, and Col. Abdullahi Yusuf, was brokered by Boqor Usman Aw Mahmud and Sultan Sa'id Sultan Abdisalam, both elders from the disputed region of Sanaag, said Abdishakur. Meanwhile, Jama Ali Jama, who was not involved in the peace talks told IRIN that "in principle I welcome any peace initiative". "However, I hope the process will be all inclusive involving all those that can contribute to peace in Puntland," he added. Jama warned that the agreement should not "violate" the Puntalnd charter. "If the charter is not respected the peace deal will not work," he said. Controversy over Puntland's leadership has been increasingly vocal since June 2001, when Abdullahi Yusuf, whose presidential term ended then, claimed that the region's parliament had extended his mandate. In November 2001, a number of Puntland traditional elders elected Jama Ali Jama as president for a three-year term in the hope that this would end the leadership wrangle. Abdullahi Yusuf recaptured Bosaso from Jama Ali Jama in May 2002. http://www.irinnews.org/report.asp?ReportID=34164&SelectRegion=Horn_of_Africa&SelectCountry=SOMALIA

Originally posted by guleedyare: then i will go back home and enjoy the sun shine and work as wheather man on Tv, and say tomorrow will be same as yesterday LOL @ guleedyare Sounds nice, I look forward to watching you on SomaliTv

Xafladii Heshiiska Nabadaynta Puntland (Bosaso, May 17, 2003) http://www.allpuntland.com/nabada/1.htm

Bari_Nomad = Somali nomad from Bari province. Peace

For anyone looking to help Somalia NOW, here is an organization called Global Nation Building which list jobs in Somalia, Iraq and Afghanistan and requirements. It lists hundreds of positions in Somalia alone, looks legitimate but I'll try to find out more. Let me know what you guys think http://sites.browsermanaged.com/folder10630/index.cfm?id=666&fuseaction=browse&pageid=24 I saw the link on http://www.puntlandpost.com/News.php?id=348

Originally posted by Shujui-1: If not us whom will burden themselves with rebuilding our country from its current anarchic state Well said. InshaAllah, I will be going back after I finish school as well

Deja Vu? It seems the UN will be sending peacekeeping forces to Somalia...AGAIN :eek: This time for a five year mandate with the new TNG being setup in Kenya. Here's the story from Hiiraan.com/EastDaily. ------------------------------------------------------------- Somali factional leaders agree UN's overseeing during transitional period Factional leaders attending the ongoing Somali National Reconciliation Conference have agreed to a proposal for the United Nations (UN) peacekeeping force to oversee the country during its Transitional National Government (TNG), a Kenyan official mediating the talks said in Nairobi Tuesday. "The UN will also supervise the elections after the five years interim period during which the peace keeping forces will assist in the reconciliation and the reconstruction process," said Hussein Farah Aideed, chairman of the Somali reconciliation restoration council (SRRC). Aideed said that the peacekeeping force would be instrumental in the disarmament process towards an arms-free state in Somalia. The factional leaders who are facing the final phase of the talks resolved to form the TNG before June 15, 2003. Somalia had been without a functioning government since the fall of Mohammed Siad Barre in 1991. A transitional government established in 2000 and headed by President Abdiqasim Salad Hassan is based in Mogadishu, which, like the rest of the country, had been torn by clan rivalries for the past decade. Since September 2002, factional leaders have begun the Somali National Reconciliation Conference in Kenyan capital Nairobi. Source: EastDaily, May 13, 03 http://www.hiiraan.com/htdocs/2003/may03/newsmay13.htm#2

We should look at the 'Somaliland' model. NW Somalia in the 1990's suffered from the same tribal warfare as the rest of Somalia does today. What they did was include of the various tribal militias and leaders into a 'national' government. The only way to achieve peace is to incorporate those militia's in Somalia today into a similar national government/military; thereby dismantling the obstruction to peace. HornAfrique, Do you know if this government(TNG) of national unity will include all the various faction leaders? It's hard to imagine that all these warlords will put down their weapons otherwise. Just my $0.02

Muraad, Here's an interesting article about Somali women in the military. Thought you might enjoy it "Throughout the postindependence period, the Somali armed forces relied on reserves to help defend national security and preserve internal stability. In 1961, for example, the government created the Women's Auxiliary Corps. Qualified enlistees underwent a five-month period of basic training and instruction in typing, record keeping, and related subjects. During their two-year enlistment, Somali women worked in a variety of positions associated with administration, personnel, and military welfare. Most Women's Auxiliary Corps personnel served in army headquarters in Mogadishu or in subordinate headquarters in the field." http://www.somalinet.com/library/somalia/?so=0121

Puntland lifts broadcasting ban NAIROBI, 12 May 2003 (IRIN) - The authorities in the self-declared autonomous region of Puntland have restored the broadcasting license of the Somali Broadcasting Corporation (SBC) radio and television, based in the region's commercial capital, Bosaso, Puntland's acting information minister told IRIN on Monday. Abdishakur Mire Aden said the SBC had been allowed to resume broadcasting after its owners petitioned the Puntland president, Col Abdullahi Yusuf. "The president has instructed my ministry to restore SBC's license, and we did so last week. They are free to operate in Puntland," Abdishakur said. The license was withdrawn in May last year after the authorities accused it of having "a political agenda inimical to the Puntland state", local sources told IRIN at the time. The radio was also accused of bias in favour of Jama Ali Jama, Abdullahi Yusuf's rival for the Puntland leadership. According to Abdishakur, the SBC - which had a contract with the BBC to rebroadcast its news services - "will not be allowed to do so, until the BBC makes an official request to the Puntland authorities". Other sources in Bosaso told IRIN that the lifting of the ban on the SBC was part of ongoing reconciliation efforts within Puntland. Abdishakur, however, said "the decision to return SBC's licence had nothing to do with the current talks, and was decided on its own merit". Reconciliation talks are underway in Bosaso between Abdullahi Yusuf's administration and the leader of the opposition's armed wing, Gen Ade Muse Hirsi. "Most of the issues have been dealt with, and an official statement will be issued at the end of the talks in a few days' time," Abdishakur told IRIN Source: IRIN, May 12, 03

As for the next Somali president, I say anyone who could bring peace to Somalia.

Originally posted by Jeeyte: and how exactly ?? As far as I'm concerned, The more worst notorious and the biggest criminal is Cabdullahi Yuusuf. Are you actually saying that C/Yusuf is a bigger criminal than Saddam Hussain, Idi Amin, or Siad Barre??? Sxb, you've been chewing 2 much Qaat... What do you base those claims on? What are your sources? Or are you just rambling? Originally posted by LANDER: I have to say that Hussein for one comes no where close to the amount of atrocities commited by Barre. I am talking only numbers here. Hussein's biggest atrocity was the gasing of a kurdish village on the border of Iran which was probably less then 2000 people. Lander, Please don't downplay the suffering of other peoples(especially muslims) :mad: just to get sympathy for your own political aspirations. By the way what "numbers" were you quoting? :confused: The gasing of Halabja killed 5,000-7,000 people--mostly women and children. The biggest atrocity committed by Saddam Hussain was the putting down of the Shiite Uprising after the Gulf War. In the past couple of weeks numerous mass graves have been found in Iraq with the death toll as high as 200,000. Here is the story today from the BBC. _________________________________________________ Huge mass grave found in Iraq Few of the bodies found in Iraq have been identified Iraqis have uncovered what is thought to be one of the largest mass graves found since the toppling of Saddam Hussein's regime. BBC correspondent Barbara Plett says the remains of up to 3,000 people had been found so far, and the total uncovered could be as many as 15,000. The grave was found in the small village of al-Mahawil, located near the city of Hilla, about 56 miles (90 km) south of Baghdad. Among the remains are thought to be the bodies of political prisoners killed after a Shia Muslim uprising against Saddam in 1991 but also entire families. Relatives are identifying them with their eyeglasses or other personal effects found among the bodies Rafid al-Husseini local doctor in al-Mahawil BBC correspondents say the stench at the site is unbearable and a group of US marines who visited said it was like looking into hell. Human rights groups believe that up to 200,000 people may be buried in sites across the country. Search for loved ones Iraqis dug using a mechanical digger and even their hands to find the bodies at al-Mahawil, which they painstakingly attempted to identify from clothing and identity cards on the bodies. One young man told Reuters news agency he was sure he had found the remains of his brother because he recognised the shirt he always used to wear. One woman clutched a plastic bag of bones she said had belonged to her husband's best friend, weeping as she waited for her husband's remains to be found. "We expect many more here," said local doctor Rafid al-Husseini. "We are trying to match the remains with the names... provided by families in the area. "We found bodies on top of each other. Relatives are identifying them from their glasses or other personal effects found among the bodies." Evidence Rights groups have urged the international community to protect such sites, saying they are crime scenes containing evidence which may prove crucial to the prosecution of the remnants of Saddam Hussein's regime. However US Marine Major Al Schmidt told the BBC that they had to be respectful of the Iraqis who had suffered. "This man [saddam Hussein] committed a lot of atrocities [but] we are not going to stand here and disrupt them from their mourning," he said. "We're going to come in as best we can and do what's best for these people." Graves across Iraq Families desperate to find loved ones have also been searching plots at the graveyard in Khan Banisaad, a village 30 km (19 miles) north-east of the Iraqi capital. BBC correspondent Anu Anand says that squeezed between the graves of local villagers are hundreds of plots believed to contain bodies. In their desperation to give their loved ones a proper burial, the families are disrupting the remains, destroying evidence that would be needed for any war crimes trials, our correspondent adds. Iraqi officials in the southern city of Basra have reported finding 1,000 bodies in a mass grave. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3024989.stm _________________________________________________

Thanks to everyone who posted. We can only hope that this will lead to real peace and stability in NE Somalia. rayaana/JUXAA, I too hope for peace in all regions of Somalia. Libaax-Sankataabte, Thanks for adding the pictures. They really capture the moment. Ameenah, I agree with you 100% Women have become the economic backbone of Somali society since 1991. Ma'Salaam

DAWLADDA PUNTLAND EE SOOMAALIYA Xafiiska Madaxtooyada PUNTLAND STATE OF SOMALIA Office of the President PRESS RELEASE ON PUNTLAND PEACE AND INTERNAL RECONCILIATION The Office of the President of the State Government of Puntland informs the world community that a major political development on conflict resolution, peace and internal reconciliation has been taking place in Puntland State of Somalia during the past three months following the Presidential Amnesty extended to those rebels caught in armed conflict. The State’s efforts on accommodating the opposition and its call for dialogue to resolve any existing potential tension or violence peacefully, had culminated in welcoming back Puntland rebels led by General Ade Muse yesterday, May 5, 2003, to Bosaso in a colourful popular and State receptions. Rebel forces are now housed in one of Bosaso’s garrisons HQs, pending to their eventual re-integration into State’s regular Police and Security forces. Meanwhile, conclusive talks have begun this morning to continue for the next two to three days. Details and the final outcome of these talks will be communicated to the international community as well as to the entire Somali nation. Please stay tuned. Ismail H. Warsme Chef de Cabinet http://www.hiiraan.ca/2003/may03/press_pl.htm _________________________________________________ SOMALIA: Puntland peace talks underway © IRIN Jama Ali Jama NAIROBI, 8 May 2003 (IRIN) - Talks are underway to end conflict in the self-declared autonomous region of Puntland, northeastern Somalia, Puntland's acting information minister told IRIN on Thursday. Abdishakur Mire Adan said the talks - being held in the commercial capital Bosaso - between his administration and "the armed opposition" led by General Ade Muse Hirsi were "going very well". Ade Muse, an ally of the rival claimant to the Puntland presidency, Jama Ali Jama, arrived in Bosaso on Monday. This followed a three-month mediation effort by Boqor Usman Aw Mahmud and Sultan Sa'id Sultan Abdisalam, both elders from the disputed region of Sanaag, said Abdishakur. Controversy over Puntland's leadership has been increasingly vocal since June 2001, when Abdullahi Yusuf, whose presidential term ended then, claimed that the region's parliament had extended his mandate. A number of Puntland traditional elders meeting in the regional capital, Garowe, in July 2001 rejected his claim, and named Yusuf Haji Nur, Puntland's former chief justice, as "acting president" until the election of a new administration. The elders then convened a general congress in August and, on 14 November 2001, elected Jama Ali Jama as president for a three-year term in the hope that this would end the leadership wrangle. Abdullahi Yusuf recaptured Bosaso from Jama Ali Jama in May 2002. The recent talks have been shrouded in secrecy, with neither side issuing details of the proceedings. A source close to Ade Muse told IRIN that it was too early to issue any statements. "We are still talking and discussing issues," he said. "Nothing has been finalised, so we cannot issue official statements." Jama Ali Jama, who is said to be uninvolved in these talks, told IRIN that he welcomed "any initiative to resolve disagreements peacefully". However, he added that "any comment will have to wait until we know what any agreement may involve". Ade Muse and his forces were reportedly warmly welcomed by the population in Bosaso, according to a local journalist. "Many people want this to be the end of the fighting and the power struggle of the past two years, that is why so many people came out to welcome them," he said. http://www.irinnews.org/report.asp?ReportID=33958&SelectRegion=Horn_of_Africa&SelectCountry=SOMALIA