AngelDust, Are you advocating another Somali police state? What did you guys expect from Mr. Kahiin? :rolleyes: Former minister deported from Somaliland NAIROBI, 24 Jun 2003 (IRIN) - A former interior minister and police chief of Somalia, who was detained by the authorities of the self-declared republic of Somaliland, was "deported" to Djibouti on Monday afternoon. Somaliland Information Minister Abdullahi Muhammad Du'ale told IRIN on Tuesday the ex-minister, Gen Jama Muhammad Ghalib, had not been charged because he was in transit. "It was decided that since he was claiming to be in transit not to prosecute him, but to deport him," Du'ale said. Ghalib, who hails from Somaliland, is a delegate to the Somali peace talks currently under way in Kenya, and a vocal supporter of Somali unity within a federal system of government. He opposes Somaliland's unilateral declaration of independence from the rest of Somalia. He was detained on Saturday at Hargeysa airport, where his aircraft landed in transit to Mogadishu. Du'ale said a group of eight young men protesting against Ghalib's arrest attacked Hargeysa airport on Monday. One of them died of wounds sustained during the attack, and the rest were arrested. Also wounded in the attack were two airport security officers. Du'ale added that "airport operations were back to normal within one hour". On Monday, the minister told IRIN that any Somalilander who called for reunification with Somalia "calls into question the existence of the country and will therefore face the law". Source: IRIN, June 24, 03 http://www.hiiraan.ca/2003/june03/newsjune24.htm

Lynx That must be what you call "Somaliland" humour

Lynx It seems you lurk in the shadows and wait for an opportunity in which you can pounce on any negativity relating to Somalia. How sad :rolleyes: I guess president Riyaale who is Ex-NSS, rigs elections, corrupts the supreme court, and the electoral commission, imprisons opposition figures, arrests at will, attempts to silences the press etc. should not be mentioned. All this in the last several of months--I for one can not wait for the rest of his term(s) in office.

Inaa lilaahi wainaa ileyhii raajicuun

Radio Education Helps Somalis The course was particularly successful among women Some 10,000 Somalis have been taught basic literacy, numeracy and life skills following a successful BBC World Service broadcast. Macallinka Raadiyaha (Radio Teacher), a BBC World Service Trust project, is an education programme designed to help people who signed up for the Somalia Distance Education Literacy Programme, or Somdel. Of the 10,908 people on Somdel, 9,000 passed their final exam. Of those, 70% were women. "The success of Somdel cannot be underestimated given that as a result of civil war, a whole generation of people have been excluded from education," said John Tuckey, the project manager of BBC World Service Trust. He added that the success of Somdel would be of great benefit to the country. "Developing literacy, numeracy and life skills will improve their opportunities for sustainable livelihoods in a country where conflict is endemic," he stressed. "It also demonstrates that radio is a powerful educational tool." Communities The programme reached many areas in Somalia where conflict and lack of resources prevented any other form of educational delivery. Radios were provided to those who needed them. Run in partnership with the African Educational Trust, Somdel produced programmes that were close to the experience of Somalis. This included exploring issues like health, human rights and sustaining the environment in rural areas, as well as literacy and numeracy. It was the first time radio teaching had been tried in Somalia Community initiative and involvement also featured as part of Somdel. Teachers were nominated by the community and received training and printed support materials. How and where classes were organised was decided by the community - as long as teacher and class continued to work together, Somdel was sustainable even amongst populations displaced by violence and in the most difficult conditions in rural Somalia. This was the first time that teaching by radio was attempted in Somalia, and Somdel was particularly successful in offering females their only opportunity to education. Due to overwhelming demand and impact of the project, the BBC World Service Trust is now developing the next phase of Somdel with the African Educational Trust. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3003676.stm

I found some information and pictures of the Puntland Community College in Nugaal, previously known as Garowe School of Management(1999-2001). http://www.puntlandpost.com/pcc/pcc.html http://pcc.somalitalk.com/2001/june/college06302001.html

Entrepreneur A very well written and concise article on the NFD. It still amazes me how the British with a stroke of a pen gave away the ****** and NFD to foreigners. They decided the future of millions of people without a second thought.... I am too disgusted to write any further.

LATEAFHA Count yourself lucky you didn't see the post about Sool and Sanaag :rolleyes:

Originally posted by xiis: I think we wouldn't have to go far to kill you so called "puntlanders and ssh" because you people all live on our handouts in Hargeisa. WHY do you want to "kill" people? I guess death threats are not against SOL rules :rolleyes: By "handouts" you must mean the taxes paid by your businessmen to the Bosaso port authority... :rolleyes: Funny thing is in Hargeysa you act real nice and submissive. And many of my softhearted people fell for that ruse. But don't worry your day is coming my enemy! When was the last time you were in Hargeisa? What "ruse" are you talking about? :confused: How old are you :rolleyes: P.S. There's no such thing as "Puntlander" we are all somali.

Is there any chance Xiis, Lynx, and SamiGyrl are the same person... :rolleyes:

lol@Dantay1 I love the camel pic P.S. Congrats on becoming a Nomad

By ERIN ANDERSSEN From Saturday's Globe and Mail Photo: Tibor Kolley Fahima Osman, in her med-student gear, making her rounds and consults with colleagues on the surgical ward at McMaster University Medical Centre The envelope arrived on a Tuesday, a sunny and hot June 4, 2000, just before 1 p.m. All the Osmans remember it: The day before, Fahima and her mother had gone to the end of their street in Markham, Ont., to the brown super-mailboxes, shoving the key into 10A slot with their hearts pounding, only to find it empty. They knew the mailman delivered just after noon. They knew McMaster University had sent their answer off on Friday. Fahima hadn't slept all night; she had borrowed a cellphone to call the long list of family waiting to hear. On Tuesday, her mom, Zahra, who considers herself "a lucky woman," insisted on being the one to open the mailbox and reach inside. It was a package so deliciously fat and bulging, they didn't even have to open it. There was no mistaking what it said. Screaming, Fahima tackled her mother in a hug and kissed her. Zahra started crying. Her daughter was going to medical school. "I used to wonder how people cried with joy," Fahima, now 25, recalls. "That day I found out." The next big date is May 14, 2004, when Fahima Osman will have earned the right to put two long-dreamed-of letters before her name. And in that moment, the Somali refugee - whose parents had no formal schooling, whose father nearly drowned trying to flee a life of poverty, and whose high-school guidance counsellor once warned her not to aim so high - will become an original: the first Canadian-trained medical doctor in the country's largest African community. To reckon with how far Fahima has come, you have to look back more than 50 years, to an enterprising 10-year-old named Adam Osman, born to a long line of nomads in the desert. He spent his early years wandering in the dust with the sheep and camels, trading for water or food and living under makeshift canopies of branches and cloth. Years later, when his children refused to finish their suppers, he would tell them about getting rationed his one cup of milk every second day. Adam's mother died when he was little, and his father remarried. As the second-oldest boy among 12 children, he was sent to make his way in the northern city of Hargeysa, working for a local merchant and farmer. At 15, he learned to drive a taxi and he saved enough money to bring two brothers into the city, and send the youngest to school. But he had ambition and he was clever, and with a bit more money, he managed to buy a one-way ticket to Yemen, where he paid 500 Yemen shillings - a fortune - to join 100 other stowaways on an unstable fishing boat bound for the United Arab Emirates. Finally, approaching land after days of motoring, the boat began to sink. Adam Osman could not swim. But while people churned helplessly in the water around him, he was pulled to safety by one of the other passengers and dropped on the beach. His luck held in Abu Dhabi: He landed a job with a Canadian oil company, and worked himself up to a public-relations position that saw him organizing visas and ferrying around staff members. He paid for more siblings to go to school. At 38, well past the age Somali men typically marry, he decided he was settled enough and sent home to his brothers and father to look for a wife. The name they produced was Zahra Ali, the 17-year-old daughter of the now-deceased merchant who had given him his first break. Zahra was nervous about marrying someone so old, but she knew the way of these things. "I didn't have a choice," she says now. "I respected my family." She was married in white in Abu Dhabi. Two years later, in April, 1978, their first daughter, Fahima, was born. By the late 1980s, the Canadian oil company had come up dry. Adam was given six months' notice, and with no job, he was not allowed to stay in the UAE. But the couple could not go home. They had six young children, and the political situation in Somalia was deteriorating, heading toward civil war. Zahra's family fell on the wrong side: "If we had gone back, they would have killed me," she explains, wiping a finger across her throat. Part 2 http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030613.nesom2/BNStory/SpecialEvents3/ Part 3 http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030613.wnesom3/BNStory/SpecialEvents3/ Part 4 http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030613.nesom4/BNStory/SpecialEvents3/ Part 5 http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030613.nesom5/BNStory/SpecialEvents3/

Originally posted by Samurai Warrior: Bari_Nomad, you mentioned attaining greater Somalia through peaceful means, could you elaborate as to how please if you do not mind my asking? Samurai, We tried the military solution in 1977 and it had very bad consequences for Somalia. Not to mention the civil war Somalis have gone through. I am not in any hurry to get into another war. I would like to ask you, if Somalia had not invaded Ethiopia in 1977 and had the civil war not erupted, what do you think would have happened with the Ogaden? The Ethiopian government was overthrown(1991) by rebel groups, EPLF and TPLF(which we aided) we could have repeated what happened in Eritrea in the Ogaden. What do you think? Originally posted by GarYaQaaN: People PLEASE stick to the subject! This thread is about Federalism in Somalia...have your juvenile squabblings somewhere else :rolleyes: Thanks Admin Couldn't of said it better myself. God knows there are enough of those posts... Incase anyone is interested this is the title of this thread: Somalia: Federal states of Somalia. But which of the two tracks? :rolleyes: I would like to see these constitutions…so where could I find a copy? I got these links from Hiiraan.com If there are other's versions please post the links. http://www.hiiraan.com/htdocs/2003/june03/finaldraft.htm#01 http://www.hiiraan.com/htdocs/2003/june03/constitution.htm#3 This is an article about the differences between the two. I don't know who wrote it or with what biases. http://www.hiiraan.com/htdocs/2003/june03/differences.htm It seems they both call for a federal government but differ in time lines. If the article above is correct then it would seem the Harmonization committee's charter is the better choice. Please read both and tell me What do ya'll think?

silent-sistah, Yeah, I noticed that 2 Is it me...or is SomaliaOnline addictive?

silent-sistah, I wasn't tryin' to be cute n all but thanx 4 the compliment SOULSEARCHER, Glad to see another fan on SOL I thougth about importing an R32 GTR but the wonderful world of regulatory bodies, emissions standards, safety (non)compliance and taxes dashed my hopes Not to mention the RHD to LHD conversion...although it would be very cool to surprise ppl by exiting out of the right side of the car http://www.motorex.net imports them to the US legally from $18000(R32) to $93000(R34) then an extra $16000-25000 to legalize it. So if you have that kind of money... :cool: At least they're bringing a (larger)Evo 8 and STi this year P.S. Have you seen the Infiniti G35 coupe?

Originally posted by Entrepreneur: when that is accomplished and the rogue elements are either tried or vanish from the political landscape, I would like to see a federal somalia based on the will of the people. Of course the dream of pursuing a greater somalia would be always a primary goal for me...and that would come when we heal the wounds! and we can't heal the wounds unless those that are responsible for the demise of the somali nation are tried! Entrepreneur, I think you represent the idealistic solution to the problem of leadership facing Somalia. But we must face the harsh realities on the ground and remember what is in the interests of the people in Somalia now . I think it is foolish for us living in the west to say we want the status quo until there is a perfect, honest, responsible, ethical(etc) leader for all of Somalia. Think right now what our people are going through? What do they want? The whole world has turned their backs on them and are only now taking an interest. We must take this opportunity to further the lives of our innocent brothers and sister back home. While I also agree that there should be a criminal tribunal for Somalia, do you really think that is possible right now? The country in carved up into fiefdoms controlled by militia's and warlord's who don't seem to keen on paying for their crimes. I also doubt the UN/EU/US want to relive 'Black Hawk Down' when they went after Aideed. It is IMPOSSIBLE to hold tribunals during a civil war. You also mentioned Greater Somalia which I also believe in but through peaceful means. As for a Unitary Highly Centralized Somali State--that is a non-starter. I would like to point out that there are non-warlord leaders vying for the presidency in the peace talks as well. Ma'salaam

My dream job would be to become a World Rally Driver or work for an Auto Magazine(C&D, Motoring etc) and be a test driver. Then I would get to drive cars like Nissan Skyline GTR(Godzilla), Mitsubishi Evo, Subaru WRX STI, Peugeot 206 WRC, NSX for a living.

Nice thread. I liked the following novels: Master of the Game by Sydney Sheldon An action adventure novel set in 1900's South African Diamond rush. A rags to riches story. I went on to read all his other books The Roots by by Alex Haley Please read the book don't watch the movie.It's a very moving/strong novel. Gone With the Wind by Margaret Mitchell A very good/entertaining book. It's also a nice way to learn some history Khayr, I read the prophet's Camel Bell as well. Very interesting perspective on life in colonial Somalia.

The Somaliland Government Sues Haatuf The Somaliland government has decided to take the acting editor of the daily Somali newspaper, Haatuf, Saeed Ismail Gurase, to court. On Thursday, Mr. Gurase was told by a Hargeisa district court judge that he has to appear before the court on June 5, 2003. Judiciary authorities have not yet disclosed the nature of the charges brought against Gurase. But the Journalist had already been investigated by the CID with regard to a news article that was published by Haatuf on May 25, 2003. In the article, it was reported that the minister of interior Ismail Osman recently briefed the standing committee of the Council of Elders on the security situation in the country. Haatuf reported that the minister told the committee that some incidents of mutiny and disobeying of orders had occurred within the ranks of the army, and that sympathizers with ex-combatants recently taken into police custody did exist within the Armed Forces. At a joint press conference on Sunday, both the minister of Interior and minister of Defense, Ismail Omar Adan, denied Haatuf's report, describing it as baseless. The Chairman of the standing committee of the Guurti, Gahnug Bosh-cade also disputed "the allegation that the minister of Interior talked about military affairs." Haatuf published the statements of denial issued by the ministries of Interior and Defense as well as Mr. Bosh-cade. But the newspaper stood by its story. http://www.haatuf.net/ http://www.somalilandtimes.net/2003/71/7104.shtml

Hargeisa, May 31, 2003 (SL Times) - It is 15 years ago tonight when about 800 fighters belonging to the then opposition forces of the ‘Somali National Movement’ came into Hargeisa city to begin the final stages of the war for the liberation of Somaliland from former dictator Siyad Barre, one of the most brutal regimes that Africa has known. By May 27, 1988, SNM forces were already in Buroa. Siyad Barre's government retaliated with air and artillery bombardment of the civilian population in both Hargeisa and Buroa as well as other major urban and rural centers in Somaliland. About 100,000 innocent civilians were killed, while hundreds of thousands of people were forced to flee their homes seeking refuge in camps in eastern Ethiopia. It took the SNM 2 years and several months more to totally defeat the enemy. At least 10 veterans of the 31st May 1988 offensive are being held now in Hargeisa central prison. They include Mohamed Ahmed Hashi Madar (Weere) who as a high school student escaped arrest in 1982 to join the SNM, Axmed Barkhad, a civil servant, Abdul Aziz Habane, currently a businessman and Mohamed Dahir, an-unemployed father of 9 children. These men and others were arrested on May 19, 2003 by Somaliland’s security forces. No charges were officially brought against them and it is not yet known whether they will face trial. According to the Minister of Interior, Ismail Adan Osman, the veterans were held for being suspected of belonging to a larger group of ex-combatants that the government had earlier described as planning subversive activities against the state. KULMIYE opposition party described these arrests as part of a repressive policy aimed at the persecution of its members. Most of the people arrested in connection with this case were known KULMIYE supporters and activists. The police department has so far avoided making any comments on recent detentions, which were directly ordered by the Minister of Interior. http://www.somalilandtimes.net/2003/71/7101.shtml _____________________________________________________________________ Hargeisa Under Undeclared Night Curfew Hargeisa (SL Times) - An undeclared night curfew has been imposed on Hargeisa by the Somaliland authorities. In the last few weeks, it has become routine to see armed security men deployed at checkpoints at various parts of the city during night time. Motorists and in some cases even pedestrians are stopped at these checkpoints for inspection and then told to go straight home to sleep or "waa la seexanayaa", a term that was in common use during Siyad Barre’s dictatorial regime. Such behavior coupled with other types of repressive measures like arrests and beatings by security men, have already triggered a backlash against the government among Hargeisa's citizens. Apart from the harassment, humiliation and trauma experienced by Hargeisites during night curfews, the curb on the freedom of movement has undermined business in various sectors, such as transport, restaurants, tea-shops, local entertainment and wedding services. Last Monday night an attempt by the security forces to apprehend members of a group consisting, according to the government, of about 30 young men, had failed to produce arrests on the scene. According to the ministry of Interior, the target of the operation was a site located in the western outskirts of Hargeisa, where a group of youth suspected of plotting armed activities against the government were believed to have established a gathering point. The next morning the police rounded up a number of people from various parts of the city. By Wednesday the authorities confirmed the arrest of only seven people. Though the minister of interior had denied reports that KULMIYE was involved in the alleged conspiracy plan, other government officials had not ruled out the possibility of a link. On Tuesday, a KULMIYE spokesman said the opposition party was not in any way associated with any armed group. Other opposition sources expressed suspicion that the whole conspiracy theory might have been fabricated by a number of ministers who are likely to lose their jobs in the upcoming cabinet reshuffle. In a dramatic escalation of current political tension, policemen conducted yesterday a broad day light search into residential houses located at Togdheer - Radio Hargeisa road. The police were reportedly looking for people listed as wanted in connection with ex-combatants allegedly regrouping to subvert public security. During this incident, Haatuf journalists Abdulfatah Aidied and Mohamed-Amin were subjected to police harassment immediately after they arrived on the scene for investigation. Though an attempt to arrest Abdulfatah failed, Mohamed-Amin was not so lucky. He was seized by force and taken to Hargeisa central police station. This was his second arrest this month. Both Fadal, and Hargeisa police center station commander, Faysal, intervened to ensure the immediate release of the journalist. In Borama, a court sentenced Haatuf correspondent Mohamed Omer to 3 months of suspended imprisonment in connection with an article that was published by Haatuf on May 7, 2003. In the article, Mohamed Omer quoted the Chairman of KULMIYE's Awdal branch as saying that UDUB party officials were involved in anti-Somaliland political activities. KULMIYE branch leader, Axmed Farah, was later accused by the authorities of fabricating malicious information while the Haatuf correspondent was charged with imparting malicious information. Haatuf Media Network and The Somaliland Society for Independent Journalists and Writers have condemned the arrest and trial of Mohamed Omer as politically motivated. http://www.somalilandtimes.net/2003/70/7002.shtml

Anyone who thinks 97% voted for seperation is delusional :rolleyes: It's unrealistic and improbable. BTW isn't it the same corrupt government(UDUB) that conduct the rigged elections as well Ironic.

Originally posted by HoTsTePPeR: Bari_Nomad….you are more experienced than me..plus I learn things the hard way @loool Sxb, I think we all learned the hard way

Originally posted by Shyhem: Did u guys say university,i mean institutions like U oF michigan,U oF minnesota,harvad university,oxford university........I don't think any institution in somalia today can be called a university........Ploytechnic or community college is a better term. I think it's stupid to compare a University in the world's richest and most powerful country with a University in one of the world's poorest and least developed nations. It's a step in the right direction. Ma'salaam

I got Denmark/Kangaroo/Orange 2!! Very weird but it put a smile on my Finally I'm not in a "Minority Group" :cool: Thanks silent-sistah

Originally posted by rudy: I suggest that dhuusaye and silent sista to unite! i believe that will be a deadly combo! LOL@rudy I just got that