^Your Ken is losing so bad, what's not that so appealing about him... Voting is not Halal, there is no Muslim running for the Mayor... PS: I didn't vote, how do they vote?

^It is different when someone just like me or your Toure say something than when it comes from a public figure... The good old Shariif rushed and turnished his reputation for that lie, whether his clan, you Toure or I, Emp believed it or not won't let him off the hook, I hope he learns from his mistakes and tries to conduct himself logical next time... I don't blame him simply he's made a mistake, we all makes mistakes but a fool is he who never learns from his mistakes... Still he has the chance and future to raise above the conundrum and generally shine in the Somali politics

Useful documentary about the Prophet PBUH, the legacy of the Prophet... The Legacy of the Prophet PBUH It's long but try and watch all the parts it's worth every minute of your time... You can find it here

The TFG and the Ethiopiam factor No sane Somali human being will want Ethiopia to take the Somali country, logically that would have no benefit or interest on my part, but you wouldn’t take or swallow my take on that, will ya? LX this is not necessarily for you is for the rest as well Lol... The TFG isn’t without dirt, it’s full of it and as well, it has done so many mistakes but it’s the only entity we have, I will give them the benefit of the doubt as I have no other choice. The government has a term and will come the time when it expires, and in the end change will come whether for a good or for a worse, it’s the likes of you that need to make the better change by joining and adding the fluid that it misses, opposing and getting rid of it entirely is not a positive change but destruction, remember change comes gradually… Rome wasn’t built in a day. In any case, LX saaxib, if you believe or would rather guarantee me that with the dissolving of the TFG and the ousting of Ethiopia will close once and for all the chapter of the Somali inter-conflict and hardship, bring about the much needed unity and makes Somalia one peaceful nation, let me know and I will promise to be with you shoulder to shoulder. Ilaahay hanoo wada gargaaro, wa usalii wa usalimu calaa sayidinaa muxamadin wacaa laaihi wasaxbihi wasalim, wabilahi tawfiiq

Al-itixaad Factor This movement was created in late 80’s and became very popular in the early years of the Somali civil war during the 90’s, unlike Alshabaab/UIC the leadership of this movement was under famous men among the Somali Culuma, they were mostly old men that knew the Somali culture and situation at the time, some of them had formerly taken part in the Somali politics. To name few, some of the leaders of the movement were the now controversial cleric Hassan Daahir of Mogadishu, C/qadir Gacamey of Pland and Sheikh Ali Warsame of SL while Maxamed Sheikh Osman the then owner of Al-Amal money transfer company acted as the spokesperson of Alitixaad. Their objective as they proclaimed was to rule Somalia by Sharia law and sought to end the Somali inter-clan conflict which at the time was at its peak. They laid down an outstanding strategy and aimed to improve the social fabric of the society, they vowed to train and teach the people employing the ‘bottom up’ slogan, building the foundation and the essential that would get them to the top. The movement introduced Free Quranic Madrasas and schools; they regularly and intelligently reached out to the people giving useful and influential lectures in the Masjids, city streets and anywhere deemed to be appropriate. Alitixaad and their supporters have managed to win the control and management of every Masjid in almost the entire of the Somali peninsula in a very short time, the people and almost everyone was convinced of their good character, hard work, trustworthiness and profound contribution to society. For that reason, traditional elders and societal leaders of many Somali regions have peacefully handed power to them without any blood and without a single bullet fired e.g. Lower Jubba, Puntland and Gedo. A short while in their rule of the respected regions suddenly confusion started which stemmed up both from within the movement and external factor of Somali inter-clan enmity and lack of trust. Many former politicians who lost power to Alitixaad have taken advantage of this and used it as an opportunity to turn the populace against the movement. Some of the Culuma and leadership of the movement did hurriedly miscount what was at stake and failed to foresee the future, instead before they waited for the public’s blessing they vowed to keep and defend by force the power and that leadership which was handed to them peacefully and ultimately led to their demise. The moral of this story is to question and challenge you, how can Alshabaab which we all know their level of Islamic knowledge, influence on the public and also man force can forcefully attain Islamic state if Alitaxaad, a movement that enjoyed more wide support, contained many experienced men both in terms of religious Culumo, politically aware with more man power and influence had failed to achieve that goal. I don’t necessarily mean to say that it is impossible to have Islamic state in Somalia, in fact I believe it’s doable, Itixaadka could have done it and their strategy almost worked, we need the likes of them with higher caliber individuals and patience, more patience, patience….

The Somali Conflict Somalia has in the past two decades seen one of the worst civil wars documented, hardships and inter-clan conflict in which people suffered both in lives and wealth. The consequence of the civil war and the scars left still remain in the head of the average Somali person. A dirty factor of clanism is implanted within their heart and minds; now that didn’t just happened because they are clanists for the hek of it but when people have witnessed the death of their beloved, daughters rapped and their wealth forcibly taken, that is a real suffering which touched them mentally as well as physically and led them to believe in the magic power of what clan can do to you. Somali individuals became mentally retarded and always have a biased view about other clans trusting only their kinfolk alone as safe, and that is exactly how the Somali nation is. It’s not easy task to eradicate this problem and needs more time and a long secession of counseling which is not on personal level but on national level. Good words alone and a claim of introducing the holly book isn’t adequate enough for many unfortunately, it’s easier said than done and many people wouldn’t want to bring themselves to believe that should a man of different clan take power they wouldn’t be harmed. Today, if some (modest measure) in fact majority of reer PL are claiming that UIC/Alshabaab is a clan that aims to rule them by force, and the majority of reer SL think they are Somali clan looking to dominate and abuse them much like Barre regime. Forget what one has to say one to other inside Mugadisho, that's another story. My question and the moral of my rambling comes here, did Alshabaad do anything to treat that concern or ease the pain, no in fact they added the insult to injury. In brief this problem does not stem purely from Alshabaab but as mentioned in this part's title it routes within the Somali Conflict. In reality it’s not possible for any single Islamic movement in Somalia to wage Jihad at this current condition, the greatest barrier would be the lack of trust and old enmities amongst the Somalis, only unless a proper healing and reconciliation process is carried out, forgive and forget about the past and all unite under one banner like the prophet SAW resolved and united Aws and Khasraj acted as their unifying factor.

My dear brother Labaxiniyood, as much as I wished to distance myself from this debate and watch it from the backyard like I hinted in my first reply, you kept dragging me into it. I am aware that most SOLers clearly know my position very well and for that reason whatever I say or contribute to the topic will mean nothing but just that of the biased Emp… therefore, raga kale ha isla jeexjeexaan ayaan lahaa arinta Alshabaab since many would claim to predict my addition to the thread and accuse me of not being able to think outside the box( the clan), thoroughly assess matters and open mindedly measure what is at stake to come up with my own personal view regardless…. Laakiin yaa khasaara taas majirayso anigana waxay iga noqonaysaa afartayda xaraf energy dhumis. However, your long post full of meaningful reasons and of your disarrayed bullets of wisdom raise concerns and that I should accept the calls, you are determined and you insist my dear LX, for the one reason that I know you and trust your sincerity I decide to dip in… Please excuse my ramblings if I make unintended mistakes… My dear brother, let’s first of all pray that Almighty Allah S.W guides us to the right path, gives us strength and help us to see the truth, and further unite the word of the Somali Muslim Ummah, inahu waliyu daalika walqaadiru calayh In my post I will discuss and sought to clarify the following points Insha’alaah. Jihad My dear LX Jihad is one of the most rewarding acts of our religion, its xaq and compulsory upon every Muslim able to carry a weapon and perform that duty. The Quranic verses that command us to perform an act of Jihad against the kufr are immense and countless, they vary in meaning and context coming one after the other enforcing the previous verse, the Ahadith are far too many that cover this topic as well, which explain to clarify or strength the Ayaat. No one denies that Jihad exists in the contex of our beautiful religion and only a Munaafiq would dispute it. The reward for the Mujahidiin and the Shuhadaa that departed this world for the sake of Allah’s word is also repeatedly documented in the Quran and the Sunnah, their fadl and reward is immeasurable in the hereafter. In a nutshell, and in this short verse Allah gives a promise: " [وَالَّذِينَ قُتِلُواْ فِى سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَلَن يُضِلَّ أَعْمَـلَهُمْ] (But those who are killed in the way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost.) This means that Allah would not let their good deeds go to waste, but would rather multiply and increase them. Some of them will continue being rewarded for their good deeds for the entire length of their stay in Al-Barzakh.This has been mentioned in a Hadith recorded by Imam Ahmad in his Musnad on the authority of Kathir bin Murrah, who reported from Qays Al-Judhami, may Allah be pleased with him, that Allah's Messenger said, «يُعْطَى الشَّهِيدُ سِتَّ خِصَالٍ عِنْدَ أَوَّلِ قَطْرَةٍ مِنْ دَمِهِ: تُكَفَّرُ عَنْهُ كُلُّ خَطِيئَةٍ، وَيَرَى مَقْعَدَهُ مِنَ الْجَنَّةِ، وَيُزَوَّجُ مِنَ الْحُورِ الْعِين، وَيَأْمَنُ مِنَ الْفَزَعِ الْأَكْبَرِ، وَمِنْ عَذَابِ الْقَبْرِ، وَيُحَلَّى حُلَّةَ الْإِيمَان» (As the first drop of his blood gushes forth, a martyr is granted six merits: all of his sins are forgiven, he is shown his place in Paradise, he is married to wide-eyed Huris, he is secured from the great fear (on Judgement Day) and the torment of the grave, and he is adorned with the adornments of Iman.) " Generally we are not in dispute on the fact that Jihad exists or that those that died for the sake of Allah SW’s way will attain the utmost reward ever given to a human being and achieve the hierarchy level of the Anbiyaa. On other hand we are not in dispute about the importance of Jihad in the Islamic context or whether it is an obligation to all of us and when… However let me inform you that I believe Jihad is inevitable, the only last resort to make Allah’s word get in the way and spread across the globe, it has proved to be effective in the past and will be Insha’alaahu in the future. My simple point to you is that, Jihad has to be based in accordance to the Usuul and Axkaam of Aljihaad. It should be strictly performed according to the proper way of Sharia, it shouldn’t cause more fitna than which you strive to eliminate and it shouldn’t also lead to the disintegration and the destruction of the Muslim society but instead unite the whole Ummah. There are different stages of Jihad and the strategies vary depending on other scale influencing factors, there are policies as well as painful political concessions that need to be reversed constantly, the Mujahidiin (holly warriors) have to adhere to the rules of engagement, show extra strength of patience and perseverance, even in the most ferocious battles Muslims must show good character (Tarbiyah and Xusnul khuluq) which not only help win hearts and minds of the wider populace but that of the enemy too. My aim is not to cover or list all of the Jihaad requirements, not my ability or in a position to do so, but the point is to mention only few to make you feel the reality and comprehend the spots we mostly disagree, which I suspect you often like to misread it. It’s Allah S.W that grants Nasr and its He that gives one or the other the upper hand and sometime Nasr takes time. As documented and clearly clarified in the Muslim history during the real Jihaad Muslims have regularly received Nasr from Almighty Allah S.W. but only except in rare occasions when they had done mistakes and lost as in the battles of Uhud, Hunayn etc. In this examples I don’t meant to suggest that those fighting real Jihaad can’t lose a war, they lose sometimes but in most cases come out as victorious. On another note, I don’t mean to say that the Mujahidiin have to be macsumin, No I know they are human and as such are prone to err. Consequently after all the preamble and my senseless rambling I come to the conclusion that I only doubt whether what’s happening in Somalia is Jihaad. You are right, we are in dire need of the Nasr of Allah amid this disaster of our internal conflict and foreign intervention, however again I disagree with you on how you translate it according to this short goal of driving Ethiopia out (of course my question what next? after remains unanswered), that doesn't necessarily represent Nasr in the purest form of the word, No that cannot be entirely classified as Nasr, for any two armies one can defeat the other, any side can win a single, two or three battles, a win doesn’t guarantee anything but what is required is to maintain that victory and struggle against all odds to bring about fruitful result in the longer run, planning for the future is far more valuable than dwelling on the current jammed up situation. Walaal, the real Nasr that we Somalis need and which will most certainly drive Ethiopia out (your goal) and keep us maintain our victory is not about running around with AK47 or waging senseless war but is the unity of Ummah that is both Somali and Muslimiin. The true sense of Nasr in its purest form lies within that unity, all which is needed is just that and that’s all that it constitutes. Even Almighty god had never taken glory upon the prophet SAW for his Nasr on any of battle they won than he did on the unity of Sahaba R.A that the prophet maintained. The verse in Surat Al-anfal: وَأَلَّفَ بَيْنَ قُلُوبِهِمْ لَوْ أَنفَقْتَ مَا فِي ٱلأَرْضِ جَمِيعاً مَّآ أَلَّفَتْ بَيْنَ قُلُوبِهِمْ وَلَـٰكِنَّ ٱللَّهَ أَلَّفَ بَيْنَهُمْ إِنَّهُ عَزِيزٌ حَكِيمٌ } (And (as for the believers) hath attuned their hearts) he united their hearts and word by means of Islam. (If thou hadst spent all that is in the earth) of gold and silver (thou couldst not have attuned their hearts) or their word, (but Allah hath attuned them) He united their hearts by means of faith. (Lo! He is Mighty) in His kingdom and sovereignty, (Wise) in His command and decree. Yaa Alaaah, Subhanaklahumma wa bihamdika Astaqfiruka waa atuubi ilayk… See how Allah SW is informing the best of mankind the prophet SAW, that he would have never achieved the Sahaba's unity had he even paid all which is on the Earth. And in the cotext of Nasr again Allah SW says: { وَإِن يُرِيدُوۤاْ أَن يَخْدَعُوكَ فَإِنَّ حَسْبَكَ ٱللَّهُ هُوَ ٱلَّذِيۤ أَيَّدَكَ بِنَصْرِهِ وَبِٱلْمُؤْمِن 1616;ينَ } And if they desire to trick you, then God is sufficient for you. He it is Who strengthened you with His help and with the believers; Also in this verse Allah SW informs the prophet SAW that he will aid him with his Nasr and with the Muminiin, therefore the Nasr of Allah is not as you perceive the killing Kafir, bombing places or even winning in the battle front. In general the Nasr of Allah is the unity of the Muslimin, that’s the only profound aspect missing in the Muslim world today and it’s that we most importantly need in Somalia. Let’s measure the youth group Alshabaab in the way they destructed society, disregarded the plea of the greater populace, isolated their own and further led the breakdown of their movement letting alone to unite. Asses and ask yourself how many hearts and minds can they attract to their cause in Mogadishu and surroundings let alone the millions of Somalis in Bosaso, Hargeisa and the rest of the world. Do you believe that the dirty tactic employed which is against the Sharia and rule of engagement is a good example and will possibly attract the Somali people. My brother LX, my knowledge of the Diin is too little and for that reason I wasn’t wishing to swim in such religious topic, any mistakes I made is from Shaytan and from me…. I pray and hope for his forgiveness. The last point of such topic that I wouldn’t dip into much, which I feel saying something about is the verse “Wa aciduu lahum mastadhactum min quwa….”, while I respect your wisdom and fully comprehended the quote of Ibnu Taymiyah Rahimahullaah, I love to share this with you, the Tafsiir of that Ayah by Sheikh Mohamed Nabulisi, if you read Arabic is useful, he’s a Palestinian Calaamma who have probably witnessed more Israeli F16 and tanks than any of us.

^I thought you were reporting that incident where SL militia shot at a bus full of passengers last week...

It's unfortunate, another important live lost in this sensiless war of Islam/Freedom/clan/natinalism/Intrest... what have you... Full of confusion No doubt in my mind, unlike the ones in Asmara the mane was a hero died like one although I disagree with his book of thoughts and the way he carried attacks... I am sure his energy and passion could have served our nation in so many better ways... All I can say is Danbi dhaaf ilaahay hasiiyo and pray that the rest of the Alshabaab youth will rethink and change their ways... Ilahay Ummadaan hasoo hanuuniyo

What was the outcome, any statements released any progress... aside the praise for the politician who lied about the death of the clan spokesman in record on public media... less of the good talk and bring more of substance... The Outcome of this meeting?

Welcome onboard, make yourself at home and be more reasonable than you have shown in the past few weeks... the stage is yours make yourself heard loud and clear instead of lurking around behind unpopular characters and stop running around like a headless chicken. I will have respect for you for raising your opinion and having your own views... Looking forward to have a good discussion with you Insha'alaah.

^It's not the death of TFG or Ethiopia that people were talking about but that of the innocent people. Pay attention to the dicussion ABtigiisa, better pay full attention.. TFG/Ethiopian troops are there to die, after all, a soldiers destiny is death, if they are lucky enough to survive will be the veterans and then will have to live with many sore memories experienced in the Soldier life... A bad choice of profession, However much I agree/disagree to their cause I for one wouldn't become Askari...

^Toure facts: It's Alshabaab thats attacking and launching rockets from the residential states, it's Alshabaab that's using innocent reer Muqdisho as human sheilds, it's Alshabaab thats killing TFG police men and other officials in Bakara Market and Suuqa Xoolada, they are the ones that always make provocation from inside the people and heavily populated Isgoysyada... Why don't they attack the Baracks of the Ethiopian and TFG troops outside Mogadishu, empty barren grounds of Laanta Buuro, Balidoogle and the ones based in Bay and Bakool in which only Ethio and TFG troops are found, the troops are pouring from this places into Mogadishu why don't prevent them in the first place to enter... They know they can't fight or engage them face to face and hence hide behind women... Alshabaab's own tactic is to provoke and get the Ethiopians kill as many innocent people as possible to cry fool and use them as political gain, which is very Sad... Alshabaab care less about the death they profess and death toll, even if all reer Muqdisho and the entire Somalis in the region perished make thier word ensured, they will choose their word and their sick agenda to materialise... Unlike us death to them is not tragic but a simple normal destiny, so not human.

^Why are you so obssessed with the Arab race then... Doesn't Obama's middle name Hussein revoke hate for you, and what do you make of Mr Wrights praise for the Nations of Islam and Louis Farakhan.

Abigiis, It's unfortunate incident, we are all condeming it let's not go back from where we started from, move forward... I agree with you on the point that all Somalis are one tol, one people, one nation...

^You have yet to present a political position, you merely seem to be following otherd rather than leading the argument. You are one day crying for ONLF, the next day declaring your new found nationhood Somalilander, that nationality doesnt even exist... The Weirdo thing of all, you are seen all over the place singing the tune with others that Support the creul murderious Alshabaab. Perhaps your political veiws only revlove around being anti-TFG, support anything that's agianst the TFG... that's being against something for the sake of it and not having a political position.

The two Sheikhs I know, Sheikh Mustaf and Mohamed Idiris spoke wisely in this clip, the other two were a bit harry and lousy making less real arguments, specially the last one who used the example of the Somali diaspora's demonstration against occupation as a whos of Unity for the Somali populace... Perhaps that Sheik doesn't see the number of Somali diaspora that welcome TFG leaders in the west...

Cara, a star in this topic, very well versed argument...

Originally posted by Isseh: Emperor, weli ma aadan qancin? PS: Folks I am preparing something about that thing we talked about. And Insha-Allah I'll pass it on to you soon as. sorry for the delay, kinda busy. Inadeer sidee uqancaa wali ma arkin wax anaga dhan nakulmiya oo aan kuqanco, nothing changed, qofku isbedel buu kuqancaa soo ma ahan? I have to see a real wise change in action nor just in words then expect inaan qanco... PS: That's good of you Isseh, great job, take your time, we can wait for it, its well worth it.

^I agree, Puntland will always be part and parcel of Somalia... But yes there is a difference between Puntland and Somalia... Somalia is the whole country including SL and Pland... While Puntland is one part of the Somali republic...

I wish Mr Wright said what he had said when Obama is fully a nominee for the democrat, if that was the case then all the democrat supporters would have rallied behind Obama and made easy for paster to clear his name, it would have also meant taugh for the republicans since the paster cleared his name and all democrat supporters are behind Obama. Now it's not the time for paster to speak out, it will make the democrats think twice and trice about Obama nominations not simply because they doubt his sincerity or patriotism but whether they can win with him during the main elections in November against the republicans and now that you this paster parking like a goat... All in all, it makes Hillay's position and argument strong, that Obama cannot win in the general Elections...

^Lol, Saaxib Harawsi majiro, there is actually a qualification or a status to be gained depending on the number of years you have been on SOL, you may ask that Horn PS: Joking Saaxib...

^Lol, ma Oday dhaqameedyada? JB is no coincidence that Suldaanka is the poster and you are fuelling this, a happy day for the seccess I guess, celebrate all you want that Tolka baa is qaniinay, but let me tell you one thing there is no Tol isqaniinay but a small incident... A reminder for you Tolka is far too big and too clever to be dwelling on this incident, simply don't waste your time and energy, the seccessionists have no room...

JB, Comprehention, Comprehention is a bliss dear.. I said you 'call yourself'... the employed term here is call yourself, I wish you had enough to understand that...

Naxar, We are on the same boat Comrade, it's your uncompromising approach I like the most while Im trying to be more diplomatic, in the end we are for the same cause... Saluto