Xiinow I agree a peaceful solution is the only way forward... Again what make decisions and can represent people are governments or authorities, not the poeple on the streets. Furthermore, Im not trying to west time about Eriteria's involvement in Somalia, it's real and only stressing this point to bring out the double standards some of us have become... Sheekadi waad nala dheerasyid badda kalena waad galisay oo ka meermeertay pointiyo qaarkood aan soo qoray... Laakiin Ummada Ilaahay ha u sahlo, dhibkana kaha yareeyo... Labadeenuba wanaag doon baa nahay;)

Geeljire Sxb on your first paragraph, Im sorry to say that I disagree with you on that. Using International community or Somali parlimanterian, I believe Im in a strong position, bearing in mind the few suspecs terrorist individuals or cells in Somalia... LOL But Im not interested in this part of the depate so moving on... Your second paragragh is what I most certainly interested in and somwhat deals at the topic in hand. You present few intresting points but we have to agree on fudamental things before we can move on to the next level of the discussion: There are always means and ends to every struggle, either be the TFG or resistance groups. Is achieving the ends more important than the means? Or the means more important than the ends? Is the government trying to achieve the right ends through the wrong means or the other groups is trying to achieve the right ends through the wrong means. What makes either of them more right than the other? Now be gentle and honest... like me I have asked this question before... may be indifferent form... If you so wish read my earlier post

Paragon to answer your question: Ethiopia, but as an invading force or a legimate goverments allies is a matter to be discussed.

^LOL Perhaps they did, I remember last time they were blamed...

Xiinow, It is the way you put the words Eritrea is just a staging area for the Arab and Muslim world and for those who want to help the Somali resistance. Maya Awowe I disagree, I have yet to see a single Arab or Muslim government in support of the resistance or being against the TFG. Lets not delude us from this fact, it’s only Eriteria and Afawerki in particular who’s interested in this warfare, arming and reaming any anti-TFG groups to create tention in Somalia, and for what may be to only annoy Ethiopia. Note down these facts: 1. AFewerki is another warmonger Christian similar to Zenawi who we all know how muslims are treated in his country 2. The fact remains that he only wants to avenge against the Ethiopians and not interested in seeing a stronger Independent Somalia that’s a Muslim and ruled by Islam. 3. The warzone is Somali’s capital Mogadishu and no where near Asmara, neither are his men involved in this loss of wealth and life, he is careless of the Somali causality from both sides and their indifference or conflict is an interest to him so long he can hear or see Ethiopian soldier killed in this battles… but many poor Somalis will die in the process. 4. Ethiopian Army is allied to a Somali government that’s recognized by all standards of the world. What makes one more correct than the other? If what one makes morally acceptable is his greater cause and noble goal than the route taken to achieve that, as you seem to believe, this noble cause is to liberate Somalia from the occupation thus I may agree with you just for a moment, the route to Eriteria could be acceptable in this case… Now having said that my question comes here, the resistance group says that the presence of Ethiopia is illegal, an outright violation of territorial integrity an occupation etc. and must liberate the country from them… A claim nevertheless how do we know this is a genuine concern, and that these people are only against the presence of Ethio… The government on the other hand says this resistance group is a small selfish group whose only interest is to see no functionining government in Somalia, invited Ethiopia to help them route out the trouble makers and that their main goal is to bring back order and stability to the region, a peaceful Somalia – This is only a claim nevertheless, how do we know this is a genuine claim? and that they are not after one clan or are not Ethiopian puppets. Every one is presenting a noble agenda for Somalia future while accusing the other of misbehavior, why are you not appreciating the case the TFG and their route taken to achieve it. What is the difference in believing one’s words and disregarding the other? It is possible that the TFG could be better for the country than these groups, what is the worst thing that would happen if the resistance disarmed and joined the TFG ranks or may be lost and surrendered.

^Sxb we shouldn't go around circles, let's not forget the topic at hand If you have anything to tell me please do so... Yes I did said I didn't understand you - from your own perspective Caruur meesha majoogto dabaaqtanka iska daa

^Sxb try to make sense

Xiin LOL My question was: Kalkaalsiga Isias AFewerki xaalkiisu muxuu yahay?

Faarax I did all the thinking, perhaps im too damb to get to your stage so help me and get the facts through my skull by being wise and convincing.

^A geniune movement, nicely put there! Sxb I have not said Eriteria was in Somali soil neither did I said they invaded it, you know my question - Come one answer it if you wish...

^The BBC Somali reported this as well just now ..

Dagaalo culus oo caawa ka bilowday caasimadda Somalia Mogadishu 17, April.07 ( Sh.M.Network) Dagaalo xoogan ayaa waxa ay ka bilowdeen caasimadda Somalia caawa fiidkii, iyadoo dagaalkaasi uu u dhaxeeyo ciidamada Ethiopia iyo xoogagga wax iska caabinta Somalia. Daryanka madaafiic culus iyo rasaas aad u xoogan ayaa bilaabatay abaarihii caawa 8:30 kii fiidnimo, iyadoo dagaalka caawa uu yahay kii ugu xumaa ee ka dhaca caasimadda. Wali lama oga qasaaraha dagaalkaan, iyadoo rasaas culus iyo madaafiic ay ka soconeyso wadada Xamar Bile iyo Aaagga Cali Kamiin iyo goobihii kale oo ay isku horfadhiyeen ciidamada Ethiopia iyo kooxaha ka soo horjeeda. Wixii ku soo kordha kala soco wararkeena dambe Click here to find Shabelle news in English Shabelle Media Network South Africa E-mail us: info@shabelle.net

^Khalaf: Clearly the good ulma are against the TFG and their allies? That is why I said it was a selective case, forgetting the help from another Christian, Afewerki. Xiin tan baan hilmaamay, Walaalaysiga ama Kalkaalsiga Isias AFewerki muxuu noqonayaa? "Al walaa'u wal baraa" xagebee kagalayaa...

^War ninka at least wuxuu qirtay defeat, although said self defeat Let's leave at that

Khalafow this is a selective case, when one has a will must he find a way! This is a general case, hardly do I think the Somali ulema have met and had had a deeply heated depate about the current Somali crisis. Xiin Sxb inay dhab kaa tahay iyo in aad yayarka u afmacaaninaysid magaran, what you say if it was to come out an article of other Somali Ulema with different version of story. Paragon that's an old version of Sheikh Cumar Faaruq's speech, the Sheikh words were misused by opportunitists and misqouted, below is where he retracted from earlier comment: Sh.Cumar faaruuq oo ka hadlaya khudbad horay uu usii daayay oo loo fasirtay inuu Madaxda DFK ku gaalaysiiyay! Ugu danbayntii arinta Somalia hadii ay kusalaysan tahay siyaasado kale iyo arimo hore oo guracan mudanna soo jireen ah ma wacna qofku inuu Diinta u isticmaalo danihiisa gaarka ah. Xiinow, Aniga iyo dad badan oo ila mid ah kama qanacsanin dagaalkan inuu yahay mid diini ah, balse maalintii aan kaqanco in Diin Islaam khaas ah loo dagaalamaayo oo aan wax kale labnayn isku saf ayaan galaynayaa ee Xiinow igu dar Mujaahidiinta Safka hore galaaya maalintaas.

^Oo Cidna ma aadan rebinee.... except..... Kan isaga kasoo horjeeda ee ceebta wajigiisa saaran aan arkinna maxaad ugu dari wayday?

^Yep Sxb thats true, but I don't like this dictatorial regime. However, people should have self desciple without any security patrols, I admire your initiative thou your unsupervised respect for all.

^You are welcome my friend Probably by that unseen wicked power, lets leave at that, it may be for the better...

Geediid beware, no personalisation here, I know you have not been around for a while or so I think. There has been what is termed as "A large Clean Up"... Just click on the topic at the top of the politics section posted by the Admin... Again Careful Sxb and you may edit your message where it gets personal.

^LOL, of all their claims this is the best What I liked the most was the fact that they claimed a millitary victory by retreating Outstanding, off the hook... Xiin, I can see you haven't still changed your tone even at this gardarro, perhaps you think SL seccessionists are aiming to introduce Islamic Sharia law in Pland.

^Another corner, now it's Buuhoodle WOOOW Puntland must be testing some nerves here... Puntlanders were over-stretched ha iga harto horta... So much for the Seccessionit peepz creating a local authority in there LOL... Another joke posted earlier

^^Dont go so low sxb, what's the point of reviving this long gone articles, the man is banned and out in the cold, what more thing are you looking for? Anymore bad could be done... Sideedana ogow xikmada ah "Nin aan kuu Jawaabi karin lalama dabaaqtamo".....

^^Xoogsade sxb to be fair I never saw duke accuse any clan of any misconduct but only people like Indhacade, Sheikh Sharif, Sheik Aways and others - Neverthless he uses them to overstrech his political muscle and score a point in his favour. Yes he overuses words such as Clan courts and druglords, yes they were a clan court or may be not or whether they were drug dealers, it's all open for a depate and upon that can we decide and come to a conclutions So lets depate now fairly and cleanly, Shall we? PS: It's sad to see qofkasta meeshaan inuu taageeraayo qofka uu islahaa waad isku beel tihiin ama rayi dawdihiin, dooda wadaag waxay kuwacantahay qof kaa soo horjeeda si wacana wax kuugu sheega - Marka iska dhaafa calaacalka badan.. Inkasta ay jiraan dad badan aan siyaada kamid ahayn sida Taako, Xalane and co waqti fiican nasiiyay si wacanna wax usoo qoray waxaan leeyahay waan kuxamahay and you will be missed, Laakiin AuB was a man of his leagure bring back, Moderator or Admin Sxb Alle-Ubaahne waa nin qatar ah ee soo celi haduusanba alreadly soo laaban sida yeeraysa.. It's my opinion. PS Again: Mod or Admin Naga xira topi-gaan si calaacalka uu yaraado.

^Too much BS, Where is Mj red, do you want me to say "I told you so"... What are you on about, you talk as if nothing happened, there was a war 2 days ago - SL army was brave enough to fight for only one hour and run for their lives... Ilaa ceerigaabo bay kutageen 15min, that was another record breaking moment made by the seccessiont ministers LOL but Undoubly the best race of all time was Riyaale moment from LA to Hargeisa in less 5 min.

LOL It all shows the defeat and desperation from both sides... Yeah Puntland's army were/are overstretched, ooh yeah too much for that bravado...