^How so? They have done before and are doing all this action and more right now, infact they are encouraged and get AMAAN to do it from both outside world and inside Somalia, the only opposition is the so called resistance... How does or did it damage? when it comes to the use of force like you all improvise who cares about damages anyway, only the powerful wins and the weak disappears defeated, captured and imprisoned or even dies for good... thats all that matters, when you talk about forces that is the end result..

^You fall for the lines of Kashafa, aren't you? Who controls Kismayo? If not the TFG how come the interior minister visited there and his orders taken? Kashafa there are equally important developments on the other side too, Zenawi recenstly promised not to get out of Somalia untill AU arrives and received the funding, a newly ambtions envoy appointed for Somalia by the US, more AFrican troops are forthcoming, resistance are feeling the heat and attacked, houses confiscated, and many many of them imprisoned by the minute... Infact a whole new attack is perhaps planned for Galgaduud region as the last hideouts of the insurgents and Adan Ayrow's strong hold... Stiff measured are taken by the newly appointed Governor of Mogadishu, curbing and taking anything suspiciuos iyo waliba in laxirxiro meeshi wax kadhacaad dadka dariska la ah oo dhan as their responsibility to report before hand... Read the news below Guriceel:"Deegaanada ay isku uruursanayaa Haraadigii Maxkamadaha waa Ceelbuur waxaana ka mid ah xubnahaas Aaden Xaashi Cayrow"Gudoomiyaha Degmada Guriceel. 18. maj 2007 APL Guriceel(AllPuntland)-Gudoomiyaha degmada Guriceel ee gobalka galguduud Daa'uud Cabdi Daa'uud ayaa wuxuu sheegay in deegaano hoosyimaada degmadaasi ay haatan isku uruursanayaan haraadigii Maxkamadaha ee dawlada Soomaaliya ciimadeedu kula dagaalameen bilihii April iyo March magaalada Muqdisho. Daa'uud Cabdi wuxuu sheegay in deegaanada ay xubnahan isku uruursanayaan xoogoodu yahay deegaanka lugu magacaabo Ceelbuur oo uusheegay in ay haatan deganyihiin xeryo milateri oo ay halkaasi ka sameeyeen. Md.Daa'uud oo wax laga weydiiyay magacyada xubnahan ka tirsan maxkamadihii awoodooda lawiiqay kuwa ay yihiin,wuxuu sheegay in ay ka mid yihiin xubnahan ninkii dhinaca milateriga uga sareeyey maxkamadihii oo ahaa Aaden Xaashi Cayrow iyo Col.Tima Jilic oo ka mid ahaa maxkamadihii iyo xubno fara badan oo dhinaca maamulka. Gudoomiyaha degmada guriceel wuxuu sheegay in xubno sar sare oo ka mid ah maxkamadihii lawiiqay awoodooda in ay xiriir laleeyihiin maamulka ka jira hargeysa ee Somaliland isagoo ku eedeeyey maamulkaasi in taakulo dhaqaale siiyo kooxaha uu ku tilmaamay argagixisada caalamigaa. Wuxuuna gudoomiyuhu ka hadlay in dawlada Soomaaliya ay arintan go'tahay isagoo sheegay in dhawaan ciidamada dawlada Soomaaliya ay talaabo ka qaadayaan kooxahaasi. Waxaa Sidoo kale wax laga weydiiyay gudoomiyaha cududa milateri ee kooxahan ayaa wuxuu sheegay in ay qorsheynayaa khal khalgalinta goobo nabdoon oo ka mid ah gobalada xuduudaha lawadaago galguduud,wuxuuna carabka ku dhuftay in ay ka mid yihiin goobaha ay doonayaa in ay falal amaandaro ka abuuraan deegaanada dawlada gobaleedka Puntland iyo gobalka Hiiraan. Ugu danbeyn gudoomiyaha Guriceel Daa'uud Cabdi Daa'uud wuxuu ugu baaqay dawlada gobaleedka Puntland in ay gacan ka geysato sidii kooxahaasi looga hortagilahaa. Faarax C/qaadir Geylan AllPuntland What say you about all these, ooh yeah you bombed Ghedi and missed or killed an old innocent former Somali national army member.. so much for achievements

Gaalkacyooy Xaal Qaado

Geeljire Sxb take it easy that was only a joke meant to be sensitive, you no more or less nationalist than I but only have different views on many important issues... I respect that... I admire your strong position for supporting the resistance and that's why I chose you to use as an example to present my centz... I hope you don't mind it... I think I answered your question in the first Paragraph... If not let me now will try my best Baashi Awoowe sorry meesha aan kaa qasnay, even thou we step out of topic at times I do my utmost effort to keep at bay...

Stealth don't over dramatize it sxb, that was meant for a joke and to energize Geeljire, and It did Sxb you are still in denial and always miss the point by miles, less with the talk of SL please and more of Ideas of what you think on the upcoming Dirrin as Baashi would so love to say it... AGain sxb you agreed with me on this main issue, thou unintentionally That is my friend a qabiil mentality. Those who think like that are bound to fail, you know it well. Simple, All Somalis think like that and hence failed, infact the whole republic is famously known in the world as a failed state... Everyone of us knows as such, and please this time don't come back with SL blah blah... Im not talking about Puntland am I? I see myself as a Somali who hve issues with another Somali like you and Xiin Faanbadane Fulley Xaar wayne... Dagaalka maad aadid dheh... Dhagahaannu idinka soo jafi lahayn Xiin aside the jokes sxb, I agree with you, as can be seen from this thread there is deep conflict amongst us, you thou are part of the problem and one of the warring wings, Baashi is trying to listen and collect views from both sides, you don't see the XAL is in the dirin but rather are opting for JIHAD, dig in and let us know you acheivements so far though that method and as to why you think the Somali solution lies in that...However telling us there is conflict between the Somalis that can even be deduced from this thread is but just obvious, not only this but at the other threads in the politics section... Observing quite closely your ones.

Stealth Sxb dooda waa kadhacsantahay! Waxa laga hadlaaya Shirkan maxaa agenda unoqon kara iyo maxaa Somali isku haystaa? sidee lagu heshisiin karaa? Adigana waxaa ila aaday Somaliland ayaa xaq leh iyo UIC ayaa fiicneed ama TFG-da saas ah... That is not on table in this thread I have said nothing wrong against Somalialand neither UIC, only simply stated their support and opposition groups along with the TFG all being the same and rooted to power struggle between the clans, merely my view... What? You wanna tell me that reer Mogadishu(or LA) support Somaliland or perhaps Garowe cheered for Maxaakimta as they love the TFG... "Boowe aa latahay"... Sxb lets talk about the truth, I, you and Geeljire represent three forms of Somali struggle, a nationalist, a seccessionist and an Islamisit/hardcore fundamentalist, and our great Baashi is trying his best to bring arms closer together, mediate and solve the problems, thats not as easy as it sounds and you are going even further to make it harder for him while I tried to be easy and deduced his long list to just one problem, the main problem as I believe... the Power Sharing one... Regardless of how much the TFG is inclusive, one thing is clear it hasnt accomplish nearly or is even on the way to matching what the UIC did, which as you said was all exclusive movement of one qabiil. Well you do the thinking of which you would take, exclusive effective, peacemaking, angel with wings movement or inclusive piece of trash like the TFG. Ugu danbaynti waxaan kugu soo gabagabaynayaa, maad maqashay "Tuugga reerkayga ayaa iiga fiican Sheekha reer Hebel" waa taas xaalada dhabta ah ee kajirta Somalia, fikirkyaga un weeye... Think of why you love your clan fiefdom and so dearly support their leaders, because Sheekhyaal bay yihiin miyaa, Ayaa katuugsanna?

Somalipride come back sxb, when did Puntland had a 4 year long admin term? It is 3 year term and not 4...

^Ok Sorry to bother you Sxb I never meant that way... Enjoy your day, Jimce wanaagsan

Baashi: Camel Boy, What ya know about realist yaa geel jire fawqal geel jire? Realist examines the situation and doesn’t go for fishing when hurricane Katrina is in the offing!!! Over forty thousand Tigre strong supplemented by seven thousand clan militia supplied and supported by the most power full nation in a divided clan crippled society is what you are dealing with awoowe! The issues you are dismissing are the core Somali issues. If Sherrif can make up with Inna Aideed tell me why f* he doesn’t deal with Geddi? Is that directive in Wasaa faat…don’t f** get my nerve ****** ***** ******* ah! Waa la dirriraa bay maqleen…war maatada ha laynina. ^ War Oday Baashe ayay Ka caraysiiyeen... Awoowe Sorry oo Xaal qaado laakiin yaaba isgaaray, group-kale oo may be aan kamid ahay ayaa iyanna halkaan kugu sugaaya oo inay wixi ka horyimaada cagta mariyaan raba iyaga iyo Sxbadood, marka qancin iyo kadhaadhicin badan waa kusugaysaa waxaad haysid bal soo daa... As for the topic, Good points you listed there Awoowe but I think most of it are only cosmetics and not necessarily dealing with the real problem on the ground. The only crucial point that need to be discussed and the main problem that has caused us into this anarchy clearly dwells with power sharing, clan power sharing... This is the problem that has led to coup attempts, armed movements in the North during the republic haydays, the fall of Mogadishu in 91 and on wards the denial of any one leader from any clan by other clans. The main reason for today's SL seccession is this as I believe and not simply because of what the old and long forgotted regime and dictator did in the eighties or 70's. The root of the problem as I said has nothig to do with clan greivances, Islamists/religious or even properties these are smaller issues, we are all Somalis, Muslims and share the same view on anything and everthing outside world, all clans inter mix inter marry and feel at ease with one another but only get neck on neck when there is power to dictate and decission to make. Islamists in Somalia exist? UIC's men like Sheik Aways, Shariifka and indhacade used Islam to push their agenda, whateva that may be, I can in all my honest tell yuo that all Somalis, except few, have supported this movement because of clan while many many more Somalis opposed simply because they thought to be the revival of the USC and the fact that it gave too much power to only one group... Even if you look at the opposition and the supporters of the TFG which I believe to be more inclusive than UIC, you would be able to draw a distinct line and recognise where the problem lies.... Sxb halka ay sartu ka quruntay waa yaa hogaaminaya reerkan Somali ladhoho, qofkasta isaga inuu wax hogaamiyo waa rabaa laakiin madoonayo in lahogaamoyo... Suurtagal matahay in Saddex madaxwayne amaba afar iyo shan hadaa doonto oo isku wada quwad ah in lasameeyo, waaba system cusub oo Somalia loo develop gareeyay habaladhahee... hadii kale sidee nin aan aniga ahayn ii xukumi karaa in la inaka dhaadhiciyi soo ma ahan .... Kolay halkaas ayaan dooda lamari lahaa Baashow arimo kale waa jiraan Awoowe madhayalsanaayo sida Aanooyin iyo dhulal lakala haysto, laakiin dhibta ugu wayn ee Somali haysta unna kacday kana dagi la'adahay waas taas ayay ila tahay... 4.5 socon wayday kolay cid unbay Madaxwayne usoo dooranaysaa illeenee... Rag badan oo tartamay ayaa jiray iyagoo kuqanacsan system-kan laakiin markii danbe kabiyo diiday...why? [ May 19, 2007, 02:12 AM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

^ Yeah as always rudy lives in la la world...

^Confused statements as ever... I don't mean to spoil the celebration but honestly I ask this question out ignorance. Is this May 18th, the day SL admin announced their breakway from the rest of Somalia after the colapse of the republic, or the day that former British Somaliland gained independence from Britain before the Union?

^SomEco I think Mansa has a point on that, I agree with him on the fact that the more Ethiopian troops stays in Somalia the more will be seen this as an invasion.

^Don't spoil the celebrations for them yaa Abdi Xaafid, let the brainwashed youngersters celebrate while it lasts, I mean untill Riyaale and his admin change their behaviour, it will be very soon, sooner than you think...

^

It is common knowledge the man was under house arrest with Ethiopian tanks placed in front of his house ever since the moment he told Abdullahi Yusuf and the Ethiopians not to engage in urban combat because of the civilian loss it could cost. The man was under house arrest when he was the defense minister of the TFG and let go the next day he was demotted with large group of his staff and technicals, C'mon now Horn, be firm and say the truth, the guy is only angry about the demotion and the fact that he was ordered to leave Kismayo out of his dirty hands and let that Maamulka of gobolkaas do their job single handedly without any interference... and that is exactly what is going to happen...

I have not read all of the article, nevertheless it had an appealing title but untill I saw Southern India, Acuudu Bilaah... Khalaaaaaas!

^Waar Sheekhow complaint iga hoo, Goormaan gaarnay inaan dalasho udabaaldagno? War Shiikh BOB waa GOB ilaahay Sheekh reer Magaal ah iga dheh... Waa ZaaaaaaZeee Horta bal anna sug is jiljiciyee ileen meeshii dhag laga la'ayahay adna labada dhagood baa la is tiraayee... Pacifist Hambalyo Hamblayo, dhalasho aan Xumayn oo wacan iga qabso, Immisa jirbaa tahayse adeer mase lagu qabaa? Yaa adeer....... kuma maqal maxaa tiri... war mid baa ila hadlaye ii kaadiya ......... war muxuu yiri....... prv ayaa la isku waydiiyaa aaaaaaaaa? Adeer anigu khashiin baan iska ahay

^Without the shadow of a doubt, Yeah Jaanis waligii lasugaayay iskeenay ahaaa AHAA AHA HAAAA

War meesha yaryarki ayaa isugu tagay!

^Then why the speculation of his resignation... If he runs the shaw and whatever bad is hapening there.. Honestly I want all of this admin to go... Is hard to accuse someone without credible evidence but I suspect they are all a bunch of crooks...

^lol Kuwa kale oo aad ubadan oo malaha laqawraco oo AFrikada kale Kayimaadana waa laga hadlay...

^lol... This time the Ethio aren't with him so may be the real Yuhuud uu raadinayay waa inuu uyeertaa... Sxb Hiiraale hadii ay run katahay mar hore ayuu wax uu qabo sheegi lahaa, bal kawaran asagoo wali ah Wasiirka gaashaandhigga hadii uu kasoo horjeesan lahaa wixii Xamar kadhacay imisa cod ayuu aduunyada kaheli lahaa, laakiin markii laga qaaday jagada ayuu afka furanaayaa same like Hussein Aiydiid, Actually these two were the worst opportunistic of all, both of them made big gaffes not long ago Somalida dhan kayaabeen... Ninna wuxuu yiri "Ethiopia iyo Somalia ayaanba isku daraynayaa" mid kalena "Xataa Yuhuud waa keensanaynaa" ayuu yiri waa isma dhaanto iyo dhasheed .... Waxaan Maqli jiray Kacaanka ayuu qofkaas kadheereeyay... Malaha nimankaas Kacaanka maanta jira ayayba kadheereeeyeen... lol Hada ayay anaga moral noola imaanayaan oo midna inta Asmara tagay leeyahay wixi Xamar kadhacay waa massacre kan kalena haduuba soo dhardhigtay... Aragaanneeeee

lol@ Maamulka Ethiopianka ah.... You must love the Ethiopians to give credit for the great job... good of ya Abwanow, but let me put it this way and ask this question... Abwanow hadii anagii Somalida ahayn aan sidaa wadanka uxaalufinay una baabi'inayno, Maamuulka Ethiopiaknaa uu naga qabanaayo sida hadda arinta oo kale soo inaan dhahdno ma ahan Thanks? kolay waa saad hadalka u dhigtay hadaan kuu raacay...

^Dig it by all means, Hiiraale like he said "Waa loo dhiibtay shaqada waana laga qaaday"... Its very simple and nothing personal... and reer Gedo are still part of the government with many other Ministers and high ranking officials...Hiiraale is a delusional character oo ku waashay Kismayo, he was a good partisan for the TFG few months back with the famous remark "Xataa Yahuud waan Keensanaynaa"... Waxaana isbedalay oo isciilkaambiyay markii uu Madaxwaynaha Ku amray inuu Kismayo Maamul umagacaabideeda faraha kala soo baxo kana soo tago ee shaqadiisa Wasiirnimo uu qabsado... As for Kismayo is small issue and will resolved soon Insha'alah... Abdi Xaafid sxb I can see many people have problems with Allpuntland or Puntland websites in general, I don't see what the problem is though, we have many Somali clans news portals who are all the same, I doubt if they are the worst so I can't undertand much of the heavy noises...

Nuune, Sxb Hiiraale waa qabqable kuwa ugu xun kamid ahaa ee Somalia marka AFlaagadana taas umaba ahanba... Puntland media hadii aad iyaga cuskanaysid waa report gareeyeen in rag ciidan iyo hubba ay lasocdeen ... iyo Shabelle.net iyo website-kale oo badan...