This Admin have only left with few months... they have to go and will go.... very simple.

^It's too late for me to teach you right now what your ethnicity is? but hey we came from different regions... that's all, you come from Somaliland, I agree.

^ you are funny ninyahow JB, you said, "you" are the same, the "you" refers who? and it was you that came up with the name Somali from Somalia and not me... I can see you exclude yourself from the rest to appear clean, there many more clean and innocent people and regions in Somalia, so if you can exclude yourself then why can't they too... the crimes of some groups can not be held accountable of all, after all we are all Somali.

^If they are Somali and Somali is Somali, then why some Somali people like you sell out the seccession idea, we are all Somali right, we are all the same right, we are all equal the criminal and the innocent all Somali and same.. right? Very ironic this comes from a seccessionist supporter... what is the difference anway, aren't we all the same...

This man, Former republic President turned leader of the SNF militia with the state weoponry . . . ........................Vs....................... . . . This child

^N/AA come back This cruel actor, happyman the proad killer . . . ................Vs..................... . . . This young innoncent girl and the child with her

Originally posted by N/AA: But that is all in that time of hell, what is surprising is how those people of Bay and Bakool origin are treated today, 2007, in Puntland where they have never fought in nor fought against. It is Puntland where the most gross violations against human rights has been taking place for a decade now. Things that even other Somalis did not practice in the worst period of the civil war. Who is it that profits out of cruelty such as this? Unprovoked and unwarranted cruelty unseen in the face of this earth simply because of greed and profiting off of the few pensions of already desitute people? Hehe N/AA what a funny comeback, stunning performance, this is how you want to be apologetic about the half million lossess of humans mostly kids in which a major role was played by the SNF militia. In Puntland the case is a whole different nevertheless it's sad to see it hapening, the people of Bay and Bakool happily live in Bosaaso and other major towns of Puntland, some of these people are the ones that are trying to take the dangerious boats. Puntland authorities did their best to deal with the sort of business, it's not a motive to kill people because of their clan, it's a risky business in which the clients are happy to take the risky, it happens in all corners of the world, the worst of it happens in the shores of Libya, Tunisia, Moroco and Italy. Sad you want to level and compare this to what the sick SNF militia and USC notorious gangs did to the people of Bay, Bakool and Shabellaha... sad to have come this, of all people, from N/AA...

Emp, want to learn how its done? We can meet and discuss. Just leave the borrowed gun at home Norf, what do you mean? care to be a bit more specific

JB It's there is what we agreed upon right now, we can talk later, when things settle down quite well, about the foregioners and you may win the argument should they be there at that time. For now, the TFG is there, it's a fact and that's that matters at this moment in time... SL is an illusion and you know that, the whole world knows it no need to make another point on that...

JB If your 'They' meant the TFG, then you are in trouble sxb, the TFG is getting bigger and stronger the President is having Isbarmuuto in Villa de la Somala where many attempted before him and failed during the hard times of Somalia, Mogadishu was dumb holle and the headquarter of African most notorious armed gang's even the strongest nation on Earth America vacated it a decade ago, today is under the control of the TFG there are few trouble makers in the city which are being dealt with as we speak. Norf, do you see I spoke about Mogadishu now do you want me to start Punt ooh it will take days... skip it for now... JB sxb when I say SL is nothing more than a Somali region, I mean it its the truth a fact so don't delude yourself, you have so much other things to focus other than SL flag, it's just an illusion.

Originally posted by JB: waar heedhe northerner, ha isku daalin dadkan ,, they just mad coz the flag is flying over African countries while they are still struggling in one city, Mogadishu. It is normal when you hate someone/some people then their success will make you go mad and make your face turn into red. I'm just looking at them and laughing ,,, don't now i feel sorry for them or send my condolences. , Adiga waa lagula doodi karaa JB, at least you are trying to make some points, you say "They are struglling in Mogadishu while the SL flag flying high over Accra" Waaaaaaaaaaaaw, this is what I want to hear, this is the sort of talk that I can understand and may respond to attempt destroy the argument... But one question, who do you mean by "They" in your senstence...

Norf thus you both share the mudd, you at least admit to your nonesense response... You see one can do the one liners baf for as long as they so wish... not my chity chaty, Noah Enuf of it...

^They do, but more often utter nonesense

^Anything so long it's not childish, not the liners like "Dhanaan baa kuhaya"...

^Dhanaan kulahaa, ma caruurbaa meesha joogta ninyaho see uhadlaysaa, waxbaa lasheegaa ama waa la iska aamusaa... Walahi waan qoslay.

Originally posted by Norf: US bombs Puntland and they talk about SL Ethiopians commit crimes in the south and they talk about SL Clan battles in parts of Somalia but they talk about SL Puntland 'authorities' want to sell off any potential natural resources but they talk about SL PL media office fire bombed but they talk of SL Aid not getting through to people but they talk about SL 'Dhanaanka' badan iska daaya ^ :confused: Who's talking about SL, can one not comment a topic posted by a successionist supporter, ooh was it only for the landers... I am a lander as well Sxb yes people do talk about SL but not the way you put it not that level or that scale, meesha waxaad nooga dhigtay inay sas khatar utahay, trying to make some publicity for SL, Huh? Making a big deal out of nothing, no one cares about SL... I can tell you there are more news reporting and attention focused on Punt than SL let alone the rest of Somalia...

^This was not a slow genocide brother, it was catastrophic, immediate fast genocide and out of control, the rate of 200 deaths a day most of them young kids... I agree with you on some points, condeming all the bad that happened in Somalia.

Somaliland is but a Somali region, nothing more no less much similar to Puntland, penetrate that through your hard skull, will ya?

^Thanks brother for the contribution, the same groups that commited this crimes and starved generations of young Somalis are out there trying to fight and destroy any form of governance, sadly and ironicly in the name of "Insurgency", "Clan" and "Somali resistance". MASSACRE OF UNARMED CIVILIANS IN GOBWEIN "With great sadness we would like to inform your and the International communities that on 16th January,1999 at 1700 hours innocent unarmed civilians among them a child and an elderly have been massacred in the village of Gobwein about 15 km North of kismayo. This cruel acts have been perpetrated by the SNF forces of General Ahmed Warsame and USC militias allied with him. The names of the victims are as follows: 1. Dr Cadirisaaq Xersi Dheere 55 yrs 2. Dr. Cabdirahmaan Maxamed Ciise 43 yrs 3. Nabadoon Yusuf Xasan Baadari 80 yrs 4. Mr. Cabdinuur Muuse 33 yrs 5. Mr. Axmed Xiireey Kulan 20 yrs 6. Mr Sanweyne Saalax Gamuure 30 yrs 7. Mr.Cabdirisaaq Jiis Jumbur 11 yrs 8. Mr.Maxamud Macalin 45 yrs 9. Mr.Jaamac Mahdi 40 yrs Ahmed Askar 32 yrs was among three wounded who survived the massacre and is present at the moment in Kismayo. We hereby condemn SNF and USC forces for these crimes against humanity. There are about 50 POWs from SNF and USC militias held in Kismayo which are treated according to Internationally recognized norms. Ahmed Warsame, and Col. Barre Hirale, and both have records of murdering, raping and looting civilians. We appeal to the International organizations specially the Red Cross and other human rights organizations to check and investigate these acts of massacre and also check the condition of the POWs in Kismayo.

^Indeed Moqadishu too suffured the whole time of the civil war, but why focus on one and ignore the other. I am and was always against any civilian death in Mogadishu during the recent clashes, now I have made myself clear, I condem any innocent civilian death thou one can not compare the two tragic events in terms of scale, reason and polical motivation. Mogadihsu's case and as to who is responsible is all open for another discussion, one can argue along these lines: 1. Mogadishu's trouble was started by the same group that is responsilbe of Biadoa massacre, the TFG stayed there for 3 months with peaceful plan and to meet with the elders bring about instability and secure the capital, the unruly that capitalised on the looting and the mass murder started throwing rockets at TFG headquarters, who is to blame here? 2. The insurgency fighting tactic was not to face the enemy but hit and hide behind woman and children, so who is blame here of the innocent loss that would died at cross roads? 3. The TFG's motive was to stop this group and not kill any innocent people... many people live in those areas today and no BM is thrown at them as the TFG have full control of the city. 4. The TFG have warned the people to leave those areas weeks aheard of the operation. Now tell me in all the cases how can you compare Biadoa to Mogadishu, what was the motive of the militia that burned crops and starvd kids in which you seem be apologitic... tell me what ? I have yet to see you give a small headshake of this tragic loss, the worst in the history of Somalia...

Originally posted by Juje: Sheekadan waxay ku socota, "Anaga mahane inta kale wa dhal xaran". Sxb no need to be over heated, trying to defend the indefensible, thou you too have a record in here saying "Mayd Xishmayn inagama dhaxayso", I certainly don't expect you to condem this tragic massacre.

Halgan waa maxay mudaaharaadka, post-ga hanaga kharibin plz, re-structure your post.

The two groups who once, and at the time have been the most powerful in Somalia, one had taken over Somalia's most powerful weaponry and wealth(the USC) while the other left out with whatever they could take from the Banks of Somalia and barracks of the military equipment. Them against these in pictures....

Barre Aadan Shire Hiiraale The commander of the SNF that controlled Dinsoor region and had the orders to clean the local masses, starved and burned crops of all that region General Axmed Warsame The man on the right with the stick, he's been the forefront of this massacre, this guy needs no introduction as it regards to his sense of humanity, always targeted the innocent and unarmed civilias, more reports on him and the documented mass murder he excuted