^Thanks Duke, these pictures are historic and should be presented, preferably on Somalia's future National Museum.

^Sure, he seems to be ejoying the music.... of the gun shots. Nigerian Soldier in Somalia American with a Somali Child.

Beesha **** Oo 16-Ergo Usoo Direyso Shirka Dib U Heshiisiinta -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kismaayo(Calanka.com) 10-Luulyo-2007 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kulan ay maanta isugu yimaadeen odayaasha, waxgarad iyo siyaasiyiinta ka soo jeeda beesha **** oo ka dhacay magalaada Kismaayo ayaa lagu shaaciyay in beeshaasi ay si weyn u taageersan tahay shirweynaha dib u heshiisiinta Qaranka Soomaaliyeed ayna ka qeyb galayaan. Afhayeen u hadlay beesha oo lagu magacaabo Xasan Max'ed Cali (Xasan dheere) ayaa saxaafada u sheegay in beesha **** ay isku raacday inay ka qeyb gasho shirka dib u heshiisiinta Qaran ee 15-ka bishan lagu wado inuu ka furmo caasimadda Somalia ee Muqdisho. "Beeshu waxay kulankii maanta ku xushay 16 xubnood oo u matali doona shirka dib heshiisiinta Qaranka, oo saddex ka tirsan ay yihiin haween, waxaana Alle uga baryeynaa inuu shirkaasi noqdo mid najaxa", ayuu yiri Xasan Dheere. Afhayeenkan ayaa beeniyay warar been abuur ah oo shalay lagu baahiyay idaacadaha iyo websideyada somalida oo ahaa in beesha **** eyqaadacday shirweynaha qaran ee ka furmaya magaalada Muqdisho. Calanka.com: - Isha wararka xaqiiqda

^^^The clan elders are not the same as the politicians and militiamen thats true for every clan. They want reconciliation and have chosen that path. Indeed sxb, the wise men of the reer are no same as the thug militia leaders... Waxgaradka Beesha **** oo kaqayb galaya Shirka, Dhagayso Xaaji Maxamed Mire

Canadian Military in Somalia Egyptian Soldiers in Mogadishu

Countries that contributed to this humanitarian cause and thus took part in the operation: African Countries Arab Countries: Saudi Arabia Egypt Tunisia UAE Kuwait Jordan Morocco African Countries: Nigeria Botswana Zimbabwe European Countries: UK France Germany Italy Sweden Norway Finland Austria Crezch Republic Greece Romania Ireland Asian Countries: Indonesia Malaysia Pakistan Turkey India Bangaladesh South Korea Fiji Nepal North American: United States of America Canada Australia

me, true you need to pay a visit too, and many other SOLers as well...

Shaqo la'aan baa ihaysa maanta, maxaan qabtaa? Any ideas, haah iska daa hadaan gartayee I gota work out on my back garden, cawskii meesha intuu baxay bay kayn noqotay... Kayn mafahmaysaan horta? Lol Im so lazy, I can't be bothered but I gota do it...

I don't like the funny ideas of peacenow, nothing personal. The guy needs to visit Somalia, and soon.

The report: Soldiers from the all over World arrive in Somalia, to prevent and stop the killer tactic used by once the most armed and powerful Somali militia gangs against the people of Bay, Bakool and the Shabelle, the death rate was beyond reason and the scene became a magnet for international news broadcasting agencies... Soldiers from the globe seen instantly in Somalia... Italian soldier on the streets of Somalia...

^I agree with you on that my brother, this thread is all about learning lessons from that genocide, to bring it to the attention of all SOLers, a historic event we must keep and remember. Originally posted by JB: Idinku ama SNF ku sheega ama USC ku eedeeya laakiin anigu waxaan aaminsanahay inay soomaali yihiin magacay doonaanba ha huwanaadeene. In meeshaa xasuuq ka dhacay waa xaqiiqo jirta umana baahnin reports la soo ururiyo oo lagu caddeeyo wixii dhacay, hadaynaan indhaha is qabanayn qof waliba wuu og yahay intii meeshaas ku qudh beeshay iyo dadkii ku halaagsamay. Sxb JB anaga oo dhan ayaa Somali ah, adiga ayaa Somali ah, SNMt-a aad noo amaantid ayaa Somali ah, kuwi labaabi'iyay ayaa Somali ah, Somali oo dhan ma wada khaldana ee waxaa khaldan wixi dhibtaas gaystay, hadana khaasatan Baydhabo xasuuqeedi ee ahaa kii ugu xumaa aan aragno kuwii sameeyay waxay ahaayeen SNF iyo USC/SNA - aniga ha iga qaadan tan ee kaqaado ha'yadaha Caalamiga ah iyo warbaahinta Caalamkaba, dhacdadii ugu xumeed Africa. quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marka la yidhaahdo Hiiraale ayaa waxaas geystey yaanay inta ay isku bahda yihiin difaac geline si hufan oo daacadi ku jirto ha loo lafaguro siduu u geystay meel cadna ha la iska taago. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yaad u dan leedahay sxb. No instigation allowed on page 9. Lol, wixii difaacaaya nimankii gaystay dhibaataas waa u ceeb iyo arxan darro, waxa ay danbiyo kagalayaan dadka xasuuqa loo gaystay, beerahoodii lagubay barakicinta ba'an ee asal iyo gumudba loogu sameeyay, figer point-ka meel hala iska dhigo, topic-ga wuxuu kusaabsanyahay Baidoa iyo xii kadhacay iyo maxaan karan karnaa, nimankii sameeyay waa lasheegayaa kuwii biyaha wabiga shabelle kagadaayay maskiinta hadii kale caqashado iyo oon udilaayay waa lasheegayaa, kaliya ma ahan in iyaga laceebaynaayo ee maskiinta dhibtaas lagula kacanyna waa in loo ogadaa (mase tan ayaad diidantahay JB) magdhawna laga siiyaa ama kuwii danbiyad arrxan darrada ee kabaxsan dhaqan Somalida gaystay in Maxkamad lasoo taago mustaqbalka dhaw. Kolay JB awoowe isfahanay, xumaan kale mawadid nimankaasna difaaci maysid, laakiin malaha meel kalaad ka diriraysaa joking

Originally posted by Garyaqaan: EMP. SXB DADKA QAARKII WAAD KUWAREEYREESAA. MEESHAAN WAXAA LAGA HADLAAYAA. 500 OOKUN OO QOFOOD OO KU NAFWAAYSAY. BIADHABO. DADKA QAARKIISA WAXEEY KU WAR WAREEGSANAAYAAN KISMAAYO. LOL AMEZING. AWAL BAAN WAXAAN MAQLI JIRAY MARKII KOOONFUR LOOHEESO AYEEY DOQONTO BARI U HEESTAA. MARKA IT IS ALL ABOUT TIME EVERYONE KNOWS KISMAYO ISSUE WILL BE DELT IN TIMILY MANNER. KNOW LET ME STAY WITH THE TOPIC Lol, Adeer waa runtaa waan ogahay oo jawaab mamudna laakiin hadaan loo jawaabinna waxay dhahayaan waad baqday ama waad dhanaanaysaa, marka waa inaan wax iska dhahnaa malaha waxeey dhibeeysaa inla yiraahdo reer waqooyi land waxaa jirta qola kale oo la xasuuqay sidiina oo kale. oo waxaay u heestaa in iyaga kaliya dhibtu soo gaartay alayaa raxma. Very well spot on brother, waad asiibtay waan kala baqbaqayay adiguse feerahadaad kasaartay, waa intaas wax kale umuu diidana dadka kale ee Somalida maskiinta labaabi'iyay in gooni laga dhigo...

me, we are not British mate, sorry we are Somali. In the long Somali civil war for the last decade and half, militia's of different clans and groups fought fiecely but none had used these tactics, even worse against kids and maato masaakiin ah, those not intending to fight why would you starve them...

On the news: The SNF Militia numbering in thousands assaulted the border town of Elwaq early morning on April 18, 2005. According to news from Elwaq the fighting, was a continuation of last week's clashes when the SNF Militia attempted to dislodge the Garre's out of their town. The SNF Militia who were heavily armed used battle wagon (technical) they attacked EL Waq town from three directions. However, they encountered small but determined Garre worriers who expected the onslaught. According to local Garre commander, 30 Marrihaan militias were killed and many more were wounded, while only one Garre Worriers was sustained minor injuries. The ******* are using minor children as militias and unfortunately, most of the dead and wounded the so called "**** MILITIAS" on April 09, and April 18, 2005, were those untrained, and under age orphaned or fatherless children. The ******* clans have failed both militarly as well as politically. 1. they used the name " **** MILITIAS" to get support from all ***** group, but it back fired on them. 2. they have used name as "DEFENDERS OF GEDO MILITIAS " So, far this too has not worked for them. 3. they have said it was the Oromo militias who invaded EL Waq, in order to get sympathy from Ethiopia, but that too has not worked in their favor. Still the Garre militias are in control of EL WAQ contrary to reports by Gedonet online report. According to an eyewitness report from EL Waq, Col. Yussuf Mohamed Abdulqadir (kanti)'s Militias have been defeated. our reporter said that Mr. Abdulqadir's persistent tribal sentiment is fanning undue tribal animosity besides causing fear and despondency among peace loving people who had co-existed in harmony for ages. His actions are cowardly and UN Somali like for him to keep creating animosity among good people of the province. This man is the same criminal who was behind the massacre in El Golicha slaughtering Garre women and children as youngest as twenty days old. We call on Mr. Yussuf the President of Somalia to stern action against this criminal he is an Al itihad inciter. The man is well known terrorist. In the past thirteen years, he has killed many believers, and also, ordered the killing of many more innocent Somalis including those under age children he is using now as soldiers. therefore, he must be prosecuted and face justice for what he has done. Source

Originally posted by Allamagan: Spot on Faarax-Brownoow sxb. Xanaaqii Kismaayo ayaa halkaa ka tuuray inaay taariikhdii soomaliya sidii aay rabaan u qoraan. Notice: these men are desperate and shouldn't be approached or argued as they may have e-knifes & e-forks . yaan lagu stab-gareen adeer shaashada lagaaga soo dusinin adoo meeshaada fadhiya Kismayo ayaad ku wareerteen adiga iyo N/AA, adeer Kismayo idinla waynaa, Kismayo is not a big deal magaratay Laakiin madaama aad magacawdeen dhowr jeena kusoo celisay waxaan kuu sheegayaa only one thing, sida aan u ogahay inaan dhimanaayo ayaan u ogahay inaan Kismaayo tagaayo waligayna kama harinba waan kuseexdaa waan kusoo toosaa, sida ay kuula wayntahayna meel iila waynba ma ahan, laakiin iyada ma ahan sida Baardheere, faxfaxduun, ceelwaaq, Beerxaani oo hada aad kawadaan SNF militia howlihi maata laynta, magaloyinkaas oo qaarkood dadki lahaa iskaga samreenba ... taas meel iska dhig aniga iyo idinka SOL waan isla joogaynaa wararkana waan wada helaynaa kolay. Laakiin meesha dadka maskiinta xasuuqa caruuraha iyo biri-magaydada ay SNF iyo USC tacadiyadii ayaan kahadlayanaa... very simple indeed.

The policy of burning plantations and starving generations to death, a tactic never used by any before Not only that but have to pay the price and will pay for that, soon insha'alaah.

Because of the genocide in Baidoa Somalia was once again on the stage of the world media, a household name around the globe the faces of starving, humans on the verge of exctinction. Extremely massive attention was received in the country from the world because of the man made disaster, all satellites were on Somalia, the most immediate, inclusive and extraordinary response ever seen anywhere in the world… Reports: Listen to this as she announces... Click this picture below to watch the report.

Originally posted by Khashafa: a)How does one reconcile his selective memory and 'humanitarian' concern for the genocide and massacres that took place in the early 90's with his full and unequivocal support for the a) massacres committed by his clan members(Cousin Morgan & Hargeisa, as an example) b)the recent massacre of Mogadisho, c) the wholesale rape and occupation of an entire gobol of Somalia(Somali Galbeed) by our 'guests and allies who came to rescue us at hour of need'? b)Ato, Ali Mahdi, Suudi, M.Dheere, Qanyare, Qeybdiid, among others, were the architects and leaders of the USC's murderous rampage across Somalia. They are now high-ranking members and/or allies of the entity you support. How does one support, defend, protect, and reward such men with a straight face, and then in the same logic-defying breath condemn the crimes they have committed. Could it be that they are now useful to 'the cause' ? c)I hate to use the term, but um, the term 'political whore' signifies somebody who will do anything to further their political agenda. Things like posting two threads which demonise(rightfully so) the actions of two clan militia while at the same time excusing, not even that, but fully supporting the genocide, war crimes, occupation, and oppression going on in the rest of Somalia, not 15 years ago........but hada, right now, primarily because Adeer(and by extension 'anaka') are benefiting from all the mayhem being commited in the name of 'dawladnimo'. Sorry, sxb. That's just an open-and-shut case of 'political whoredom',athigoo raali ah. Sxb I have never supported the massacre in Hargeisa, yes I never did suppport it. You have a tendency to make your judgement beforehand, that’s a typical of you my friend Khashafa and for that its hard to debate with you, you always step out of topic, personalise at times throw insults and finally arrive at your own biased conclusion without waiting to hear what the other side has to offer, like you did in the last bit of part c of the quote above and throughout your argument, it’s more or less an emotional outbust than a sensible argument. Let’s be more civil and debate constructively, easy with the personalisation and stay on topic, if you can catch me on that or otherwise circle around like you do it best. As for the massacre in Mogadishu? Firstly whether that was a massacre or not, Im not saying it wasn’t bear attention to my wording, is all open of another depate, even though I have already answered this question earlier in this thread (I will quote it for you) but you can start a whole new topic regarding this if you so wish, I will be happy to contribute my cents. Indeed some of them are doing well done job for the TFG, it’s between them and the current system and it has nothing to do with what happened in Baidoa during the early 1990’s. What's with the TFG repetition in every senstense, all your argument revolves around that. You on the otherside downplay the greatest evil occurance the worst mass murder in our history... TFG ayaa madaxa kaa gashay this topic isn't about the morals or legitimacy of the TFG it's about the genocide of Biadoa, Im only presenting historical facts and conclusive reports, do you have anything to present against this... the stage is yours. Anwayz what does my support or thereof lack of it has to do with the murder campaign the burning of crops and starving generation of young kids… It’s beyond me how you live your life beyond the TFG or Adeer Yey, Walahi you have a big problem, waxaan maqli jiray nin bari indhoole ahaa layiri hal mar baa indhihi ufurmeen wuxuu arkay Orgi kadibna indhi kaxirmeen, markaasaa hadii ladhoho Diyaarad baa soo dagtay wuxuu dhihi Orgi sidee katahay… In section c Sxb waaba dhacday and made your conclusion, dee anigana waan iskaga aamusay, jawaab malahan. Below is my early reply Originally posted by Emperor: ^Indeed Moqadishu too suffured the whole time of the civil war, but why focus on one and ignore the other. I am and was always against any civilian death in Mogadishu during the recent clashes, now I have made myself clear, I condem any innocent civilian death thou one can not compare the two tragic events in terms of scale, reason and polical motivation. Mogadihsu's case and as to who is responsible is all open for another discussion, one can argue along these lines: 1. Mogadishu's trouble was started by the same group that is responsilbe of Biadoa massacre, the TFG stayed there for 3 months with peaceful plan and to meet with the elders bring about instability and secure the capital, the unruly that capitalised on the looting and the mass murder started throwing rockets at TFG headquarters, who is to blame here? 2. The insurgency fighting tactic was not to face the enemy but hit and hide behind woman and children, so who is blame here of the innocent loss that would died at cross roads? 3. The TFG's motive was to stop this group and not kill any innocent people... many people live in those areas today and no BM is thrown at them as the TFG have full control of the city. 4. The TFG have warned the people to leave those areas weeks aheard of the operation. Now tell me in all the cases how can you compare Biadoa to Mogadishu, what was the motive of the militia that burned crops and starvd kids in which you seem be apologitic... tell me what ? I have yet to see you give a small headshake of this tragic loss, the worst in the history of Somalia... Earlier post, if it makes you any better, regarding the same q's and lines of argument as yours, better read the whole thread next time...

^You are singing the same tune as Kashafa, try think and come up with something different, it's getting too repetitive as Kashafa out did you. However, I get back to Khashaf's and make my cents regarding his sensiless rathter TFG and Yey obsession views as Im in hechtic schedule, get back to you soon...

It wasn't too bad to bring out the idea, after many died of it while many were saved because of it. Seeftaba waxna waa lagu dilay, dhibna waa lagu sameeyay mar marna guul ayaa lagu gaaray wanaagna lagu dhaliyay.

^You are a man old enought to know whats happened in Somalia, if not, you have reports from authentic news agents, no Somali sites but UN and amnesty organisation in which the perpetrators of those crimes were mentioned. Why not decide on that fact instead of the blaming the guilty on the innocent by association by being Somali from Somalia.

^I have asked a question please try answer that first, yes the crimes we committed by groups and those innocent Somali people can not be associated with it, period. Sidee uhadlaysaa sharcige diin muslim iyo gaalo keen oo bal sheeg wax, we are not fools.

Horta Im confused, Norf are you a less hardcore successionist supporter than JB, for I can see some improvement, at times you sound factual and less illusionist. Waligay waxaan kumoodi jiray hardcore die hard successionist runtii

JB didn't understand that sxb Let us not kill the topic, my question to you, why are you so intrested in disapproving the plight of the people of Bay, Bakool, lower shabelle and the middle Juba, or wieghting them in the same scale as the perpetrators of the worst crimes in Africa... Just to let you know that Bay, Bakool, lower shabelle and the Middle Juba are as big as Puntland if not bigger, bear in mind bigger than Somaliland, so why would you consider the innocent locals who endured this massive massacre have to be criminals since they are Somalis from Somalia.

^Somaliland is part of my country, part of the Somali republic thus can pronounce not only that but love it... I only have different veiw point as it regards to the seccession, that's all.