^Adeer miyaa carootayna, calm down, la isma gariin and don't get confused this was not the topic we were discussig... Ayoub, don't push it now yaa Secessionts, clan exits but soon and god willing Insha'alah will bury it forever... me, Saaxib, caadi iska dhig, ayay dhihi jireen reer Xamarka markay yaabaan .... so me, caadi iska dhig Adeer, I don't care about NG's exchange with you, I can only agree with him on this, because the clan system is part of the Somali culture, and since you seem to be adamant to have some FACTs presented, I will present few short but deafening facts that clan is everything in Somali affair... In the time War: You have a famous Somali word that will summarise everything for you, "TOL LA'AYOOO TOL BEELAY", I don't think this needs any clarification as it is a self descriptive word and being the greatest factor that gave power to the most brutal warlords Somalia ever seen... In Business: In order to collect my few backs of remittence money from Dahabshiil Bosaaso last year, I was asked to bring my clan elder otherwise I won't collect a jack and I was threatened to be thrown by the security when I pretendid to be angry at them, the only simple easy solution for me I was told was to bring my clan elders... damn is that a joke or this clan BS is getting on my nerves.... In parties or Wedding: They sing (Buraanbur) clan based praises for the pride and groom... oh damn again you think who cares reer hebel iyo wuxuu kadhashay... These are all facts that exist in the Somali society.... PS: Remember I stayed away from politics and its full of snifing clanish nature...

^Sayid, give me the description I will design and post it here...

^You have yet to answer my quesiton, of course to you Mr. Hashi is not qabiilist, but what was the motive of changing his mind from the greatest enemy to no enmity between us at all in short period...

^So which one should I bring forth, whether the use is there and a factual existance?

Lool @ Lyzie, I have no comment will wait for che to the clear all doubt... me, I think we are wasting our time here ninyahow, a reminder for you again, we are not talking about whether the use of clan in Somali society is good or not, but whether the use is there and factual existance... it simple

Adeer Ahlu-Sunna and Omar Hashi are no different, both qabiilist clowns, both funded and armed by Ethiopia that they use to call enemey a short while back, so my question still stands.... Don't waffle around and answer my question, otherwise don't bother...

^Empty glasses make silly noises... Adeer without personalizing the issue stick to the topic at hand answer the quesitons asked if you can otherwise stay out and never bother.... Why, according to Omar Hasho, your clanist hero has called Ethiopia the greatest enemy Somalia ever had from Asmara a year ago, and last week said that there is no enmity between us and Ethiopia at all... It is a simply question try answer without addressing my person...

^As I suspected you are not clear on your question, which seemed a bit rhetoric. You are making it as something we control or have control over, like I said, it is not our opinion, it is a FACT... If that question of your was straigh forward without hidden meaning, then my answer will simply be, I don't think clan is everything to Somalis, it is everything to Somalis, that's simply the way it is, I have no control over it.... What if I ask you, why do you think the sky is blue? you don't think that, do you, but it is BLUE... Adeer, one last point if one states the fact that clan is everything to Somalis does not make him a clanist, that person only stated the truth which he observes, neither I nor NG becomes clanist or clan promoters for saying this... Learn the difference yaa Mr. me leader of anti-clan movement, in fact I would promote and dearly love to have a clan free and clean Somali society, markaa I will join you, enlist me in your organisation

Adeer before we can go ahead with this argument and end up going in circles, let's be clear on one thing, are we talking about FACTS on ground and reality that Somalis live today, or are you asking whether I think clan 'IS' as in 'SHOULD BE' everything to Somalis?

^Adeer we can call you one good fish in a bowl full of stinking fish if it makes you feel better or clanless... However, it is not that you, I or NG's opinion matters in this, clan is part and parcel of the Somali society, it has been for centuries... I am not telling you what I think but presenting a FACT, so please don't tell us what you think but present your FACTS or examples that has clan has no room in Somali affairs...

Don't believe this, it is another fake Egyptian story similar to that of a man with the powers of 125,000 men

^Omar Hashi the security minister of this government, who was in Asmara last year and who was calling Ethiopia as the greatest and eternal enemy of Somalis/Somalia, has last week in a statement said, and I quote: "Anaga iyo Ethiopia wax colaad ah nagama dhaxayso, hadanna wadashaqayn iyo daris wanaag ayaa noo dhaxeeya" What does that mean?

^Not only in politics, clan is everything in all sorts of things in Somali dealings, from seeking a partner in marriage, business relations and to social gathering or networking, that's sad but one true reality in the state of affairs of Somalis... Although I don't rate my Guru NG's knowledge of all things related to Somali/a that much, but this time and this one I reluctantly must say that I am on the same page as you onthis one...

Originally posted by NG: This degree of a lack of any awareness implies innocence. Nobody can dislike innocence. , you is a killer man... As to the topic, If it is not for the innocent civilians that are going to suffer in the middle of these thugs, I would say Let the tanks roll and bring a carbet bombing as well, let them slaughter each other and turn the whole damn place into a desert burned to the ground that we once called Mogadishu.... but please take all the civilians out of the city...

^I agree, I don't like the green part of the flag but overall is a beautiful flag... Nice work Aw-Muse if you designed this... Farancab, there are many nations on this earth, territories and regional states, all with different flags but over 80 percent of the flags that exist resemble each other or at least have commonalities, be it colour combination or stars and symbols... you think this one is copied from Pakistan, shall we conclude that Pakistan copied from Algeria, which copied from Mauritania and modified a bit which also copied from Saudi Arabia that used Libya's plain solid green... You will be suprised to find out how the Europeans copied from each other as well... The Algerian Flag Farancab, since we are all part of the same greater Somalia, same people but from different regions would it be fair to copy you O.G regional flag , no much modification required only turn it vertical... it is simple and one minute make over, check below What would you say, if Puntland adopte this... I'm sure you would be angry for plaigirising

Che, that was normal simple and genuine question posed by NN, which I have answered, I don't know why you are getting so excited over it... Lazie, I am not against Sheikh hotel per se, I wish him best and infact I like to see him defeat Hassan Dahir, but I am only highlighting his failures...

^No one is comparing men yaa secessionist, only discussing of the failure of Sheikh Shariif and the facts on the ground in Mogadishu... If we do compare men then Riyaale will be the worst fool ever seen in the Somali peninsula...

^Says a man who used to praise Alshabaab's suicide bombing and their rocket launching exercise against the TFG, when did you become a super nationalist... When did you become super nationalist, go tell Adeer Turki to stop killing innocents Somali middle shabelle...

Muriidi you forgot to include India in your economic stability list, and if it was JB, Somaliland will be listed there Only if I got a jack, whatever you are on was too strong

Masha'allah and congrats to them, the future of our nation...

Sherban, Stop acting silly and arguing over nothing, its simple logic, Sheikh hotel has lost the war agaisnt the Islamist, all of middle Shabelle is gone he's cornered in a small few inches of Mogadishu and is protected by the Ugandans - Gaalo and foreign force.... Now Hassan Dahir is gearing up for more and has claimed to overthrow Sheikh Shariif governent. Your Sheikh hotel has openly asked for foreign intervention and sent his minister to Adiss Ababa and was finally in Mustaxiil the Somali border courting with Ethiopian generals with thousands of armed forces there, so now Mr. Sherban you want us to believe he was telling them not to interfere Loool, is that how naive and simple Shariif supporters are

NN: No, but only highlighting the hypocracy of Shariif Ahmed... Shariif Ahmed is a weak individual, untrusted flip-flopper and has done everything he used to accuse the previous Admin. I wish he wins and show us the backside of Hassan Dahir but as it looks if this is not going to be a stalemate he's going to lose as he's already underseiged by the fanatics, its more war, desstruction and death in Mogadishu.... The lies that he was popular, a man of the people, have huge support among the Islamists has become nothing more than farce.... Sherban, are you blind or acting to be one, Shariif Ahmed today is protected and lives inside a Ugandan tank, are they not Gaalo's? only a short while ago he taught us "Taangi gaal wadanka laguma joogo ee taageerada Shacabka", where was the Shacab that supported him, none and when the 'man of the people' could not find any I guess the likes of M. Dhere, Yalaxow, Qanyare, Ida'ade and the rest of the former brutal warlords of Mogadsihu that he sarrounded himself become the Shacab that supports him...

Sheikh hotel has always been a big hypocrite, flip flopper and a weak individual... no suprise there mate

^Its Sheikh hotel that's beheading children and drinking their blood, and no, Ethiopia is not there neither is Yusuf anywhere near that city.. Live with that fact...

AlZaylici, Adeer focus and do not dwell on the poster rather look at the message and comment according to that not the messenger, for god's sake we can't personalise every topic, comment on the topic or leave, it's simple as that... Maanta dhan saas tahay iyo saasuu yahay iyo waxaas aaminsantahay iyo kuma jiri karno... Talk about the topic at hand or else open another thread to deal with Emp. to find his stance, wickedness or motive or what have you... You want talk about my intentions, that's fine but open a different thread I will be glad to join ya over there...