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When I say them, it means them, it means anyone who advocates FOWDO, so if you are not one of them you don't have to worry, lets talk streight guys, the reason we are in this mess for the last 15 years is coz we shay away from the truth, lets say loud and clear "Muqdisho is the land of lawless, missery,and anarchy" so if you have a problem with that, then you are as sick as the warlords".

Gaaboow, Yalaxoow, Tootoow, Rooboow and other "oow" are authentic Soomaali names. "Scientist" isn't Maskiin, you are Maskiin, you know nothing, Thank god My name is not OOW, I wonder what Fowdo and oow share, AHA its the ow they share.

Gaabow, Yaloxow, Tootow, and now Roobow, The list goes on and on and on, this week they created new warlords in Mogadishu, land of warlords and anarchy, I think thats the new year's Somali dictionary enteries.

No matter who meets with who - it is going to be chaos and squabbling forever! Wishful thinking, thats what you and your cheotic uncles are wishing us to be in, so you can enjoy the Isbaaro you thrive in, please OLOL speak for your self.

No matter who meets with who - it is going to be chaos and squabbling forever! Wishful thinking, thats what you and your cheotic uncles are wishing us to be in, so you can enjoy the Isbaaro you thrive in, please OLOL speak for your self.

Those who were criticising Prof Togane eat your words, the guy said the truth, and what we witnessed from Mogadishu for the last few days vindicated the guy, and tell us the real picture of these people. They thrive on anarchy, they love lawlesness, they hate law and order, they can't rule themselves and don't want to be ruled. What we witnessed in mugadishu is this. 1) the Isbaaros are back with revenge, Qanyare and Co are charging double the money before. 2) The warlords are refusing to accept what they built with their hands and that is the new so calld Mogadishu adminstration, Qanyare says No, Yalaxow says Nei, Caato says screw it. 3)Ruthless war and anarchy is burning in Kaaraan. 4) and the SOL cheerleaders are still cheering truiphently, and deffend the undeffendable So tell me Togane was not right.

these people thrive on confusion and anarchy, let that confusion continue, let it be.

Childish comment from OLOL, it shows he is bankrupted and has nothing politically to say about the colonel, but its good to see someone worrying about him so much they lose sleep overnight.

Olol & Co? me and my company aint going nowhere but we are put in here forever. I live in the land of the brave and home of the free! And I am hoping to be buried in it. Not Xamar, nor Merca, nor Galgadud, nor Boosaaso.My offsprings will grow on the cheese and butter not starve in the arid hostile land of the horn. That is the best news I heard for quite long, it means one less OLOL "flame" and his mini mes in lower shabelle.lol

IN THE HEART OF EUROPE here is what happened just 10 years ago. BOSNIA 1992-95 145000 Muslims Killed 49000 young girls, women, old ladies RAPED. 15000 missing. 2.000.000 displaced. 1000s of houses distroyed. 100s of mosques distroyed systematically. And then someone is telling me to shed tears for Jews killed 65 years ago.

OLOL The powerful clans(anglo-saxons) that rule AMERICA, NEW ZEALAND, CANADA, AUSTRALIA are from Europe.Our hosts in these lands who gave us safer haven actually came in as immigrants, occupiers, expansionists and took over these lands by force... and by deception and look what they made of it? the best place to live in this world! And who of you fugees want to go back to that arid barren militia infested land? Does that make right to rape other people's land? what a daft arguement , its like me taking over someone's ugly hut by force and building it a buiteful mension, does that justify my action? I always hear these falks from south Mudug and Galguduud saying the land is for all somalis and anybody can occupy where they want, well if that is the case why are they killing each other in mudug and galguduud then, one clan say's galinsoor and hobyo is ours, and another is saying get lost, then BANG BANG, and out of couriosity these clans are the ones who are occupying other deffendless unarmed tribes houses, farmes, and land in lower shabelle, so OLOL and Co. go back to where you came from, and stop copying whitemans sytematic ethnic cleansing.

Xooga I share your optimism of the future but worried at the same time, the question is who is going to get rid of these warlords, the ordinery people are weak or supporters, the educated are exile or supporters, the Culamaa are weak and can not challenge these people, the wealthy are mostly supporters as long as their interest is safeguarded. these people are the once who can get a nation out of its darkness and they are mostly silent or corrupt, so who will get us out of this mess??????

Xooga Is there a need to worry? Well to be honest I am worried, and any sensible Somali will worry, its not something to be joyfull of. anyway there is attemts to narrow the gap between the two groups in Xamar and Jowhar, wouldn't it be nastier and more complicated if the two group split into three, then four, then five, like bacteria, and then you have another 15 years to bring them together, isn't that how qabiil ended up, Tribe split into clan, clan split into subclan, subclan split into subsubclan, subsub clan split into god knows what.

XiinFiniin This is sad news as it reports the loss of innocent lives. But this fight is one of the most principled southern conflicts, I must admit, that I have heard in recent years. One sub-clan is surely engaging in a worthy cause. The other sounds a bunch of scofflaws, to me any way, that need be stopped. I don't think human life should be taken because of charcole, although I totally disagree with this mindless deforestation but this is not something to die for, education is the key, and also if you tell people not to burn trees do we have an alternative energy source to give to these people who use charcole to cook, lets be realistic the only facility there in somalia is the "BURJIKO" and unfortunetly it needs a charcole, and to get a charcole you need to burn a tree. I think the big busnisses is to be condemned, those who burn trees and export is from Kismayo, Marka, and Brava to Dubai for BAKHUUR, these are the blood suckers and need to be brought to justice, but those little scale tree burners who provide a nessecity item to millions of somalis to cook their food they have no other option.

Are we seeing the first fallout of the government in Jowhar, this looks more serious than we think, Is Max'ed dheere looking for excuse to switch sides and kick the gov out of Jowhar.??? I smell something fishy here...

Maxamed Dheere oo ka codsaday Madaxweyne C/llaahi Yuusuf iyo Ra'iisal Wasaare Geedi in ay jawaab ka bixiyaan hadal uu Cabdalla Deerow ku duray Heshiiskii ay wada gaareen Yuusuf Indha Cadde Talaado, December 20, 2005(HOL): Guddoomiyaha Guddiga Siyaasadda Gobolka Shabeelaha Dhexe Maxamed Cumar Xabeeb (Maxamed Dheere) oo maanta shir jaraa'id ku qabtay magaalada Jowhar ayaa shaaca ka qaaday in uu ka doonayo Madaxweyne C/llaahi Yuusuf Axmed iyo Ra'iisal Wasaare Geedi in ay jawaab ka bixiyaan hadal uu Wasiirka Dastuurka iyo Arrimaha Federaalka Xildhibaan Cabdalla Deerow ***** ku duray Heshiiskii ay dhawaan wada gaareen isaga iyo Guddoomiyaha Gobolka Shabeelaha Hoose Yuusuf Maxamed Siyaad (Indha Cadde). Maxamed Dheere waxaa uu sheegay in haddii aysan u jawaabeynin wasiirkaas ka tirsan Xukuumadda Federaalka ay madaxweynaha iyo Ra'iisal Wasaaruhuba caddeeyaan sida ay u doonayaan in u dib u heshiisiin loo gaaro, "Haddii aan laga heshiineynin wixii dhacay iyo dhibkii la isu geystay, taasi micnaheeda ma wuxuu noqonayaa in aan la heshiin weligeed oo la kala aar-goosto"ayuu yiri Maxamed Dheere oo ka gaabsaday in uu u jawaabo Cabdalla Deerow. Maxamed Dheere waxaa kale oo uu sheegay in hadalkaasi uu wax u dhimi karo heshiisyo ay gaari lahaayeen Guddoomiye goboleedyo badan oo jidka ku soo jiray, wuxuuna ku cel celiyay in ay tahay in ay mas'uuliyiinta sare ee Dowladda ay jawaab cad ka bixiyaan. Maxamed Dheere waxaa uu su'aal ka keenay waxa ay ku kala duwan yihiin Yuusuf Indha Cadde iyo Barre Hiiraale oo labaduba ka soo wada jeeda Gobolka Galgaduud, "Madaxweynaha marka uu golayaasha Dowladda qoraallo u dirayo wuxuu ugu yeeraa Barre Hiiraale Guddoomiyaha Heshiisiinta labada gole ee Dowladda, labadoodana waxaan ognahay in ay isir ahaan ka soo jeedaan Galgaduud, marka Madaxweynaha isaga ayaa laga rabaa in uu sheego wixii uu ugu yeeri lahaa Yuusuf Indha Cadde"ayuu yiri Maxamed Dheere. Cabdalla Deerow ayaa shalay warsaxaafadeed uu ka soo saaray magaalada Jowhar waxaa uu ku sheegay in heshiiskii ay wada galeen Maxamed Dheere iyo Yuusuf Indha Cadde uu ahaa mid sharci darro ah, isla markaana ay dagaal la gelayaan Maxamed Dheere haddii uusan ka laaban heshiiskaas, isla markaana ay wax ka qaban waayaan dadka uu ka soo jeedo. Wasiirka Dastuurka iyo Arrimaha Federaalka Cabdalla Deerow waxaa uu ku sheegay sababta uu warkaas u soo saaray in Yuusuf Indha Cadde uu xoog ku heysto Gobolka Shabeelaha Hoose, Maxamed Dheere-na uu la heshiiyay ninkaas. Hadalkaasi ka soo yeeray Cabdalla Deerow oo xiisad xooggan abuuray ayaa waxaa ka jawaabay labada maamul ee Shabeelaha Dhexe iyo Shabeelaha Hoose iyadoo Guddoomiye ku xigeenka Maamulka Shabeelaha Hoose Cali Bariire uu sheegay in hadalkaas uu ahaa mid aan waxba u dhimi karin heshiiska labada dhinac, isla markaana uusanba aqoonsaneyn Wasiirnimada Cabdalla Deerow, sida uu hadalka u dhigay. Wasiirka Dhulka Xukuumadda Federaalka Soomaaliyeed Mowliid Macaani Maxamuud ayaa isaguna dhaliilay hadalka ka soo yeeray Cabdalla Deerow, wuxuuna Mowliid sheegay in ay nasiib darro tahay in Wasiirro iyo Xildhibaano ay ka soo horjeestaan heshiiska ay gaareen guddoomiyayaasha Shabeelooyinka. Mowliid waxaa uu intaas ku daray in aysan u habooneyn Cabdalla Deerow in uu ka hadlo arrimaha Gobolka Shabeelaha Hoose, wuxuuna ku tilmaamay Cabdalla Deerow nin aan tegi karin gurigiisa iyo deegaanada uu ka soo jeedo oo markaasina sida uu hadalka u dhigay taleefoon kaliya kula xiriira. Si kastaba arrintu ha ahaatee, waxaa jawaab looga fadhiyaa madaxweyne C/llaahi Yuusuf Axmed iyo Ra'iisal Wasaare Cali Maxamed Geedi oo maanta u amba baxay magaalada Boosaaso ee gobolka Bari. Salaad Iidow Xasan (Xiis), Hiiraan Online sxiis@hiiraan.com Mogadishu, Somalia Maxkamadda Islaamka Al-furqaan oo xukun dil ah ku riday wiil dhalinyaro ah oo dil geystay Talaado, December 20, 2005(HOL): Guddoomiyaha Maxkamadda Islaamiga ah ee Al-Furqaan Shiikh Axmed Macallin Yuusuf ayaa xaqiijiyay in ay xukun dil ah ku rideen Axmed Maxamed Xasan Malaaq oo 16 jir da'diisa ku sheegay kaasi oo horay u dilay Ibraahim Xuseen Maxamed Naasir oo 14 sano jir ahaa. Shiikh Axmed waxaa uu sheegay in ay xukunkaas rideen kadib markii ay sidaas dalbadeen dadkii wiilka laga dilay, wuxuuse caddeeyay in ay ilaa 2 asbuuc heyn doonaan gacan ku dhiiglaha xiligaasoo ay soo dhameysan doonaan baaritaan dheeri ah oo arrintan la xiriirta bacdamaa ay fulin doonaan xukun qisaas ah. Guddoomiyaha Maxkamadda waxaa uu sheegay in wada hadallo kadib ay labada qoys ku heshiin karaan in ay diyo kala qaataan, wuxuuse sheegay in haatan uu heerku joogo in Aabaha dhalay wiilka la dilay uu doonayo in wiilkiisa loo qisaaso wiilkii dilay. Maxkamaddan oo ka mid ah Midowga Maxkamadaha Islaamiga ah ee Muqdisho ayaa waxay dadka deegaanada u dhow dhow u qabataa howlo muhiim ah oo isugu jira sugidda nabadgelyada, la dagaalanka anshax xumida iyo kuwo kale, iyadoo dhawaana howlgal nabad sugid ah ka fulisay Isgoyska KM4 oo ahaa meel ay isku baheysteen dhalinyaro burcad ah oo isticmaala maandooriyayaasha Qamriga nooca calaqa loo yaqaano iyo weliba Xashiishka. Salaad Iidow Xasan (Xiis), Hiiraan Online sxiis@hiiraan.com Mogadishu, Somalia

Fantastic news :eek:

Well done ABAADIR, You really summed up my point. I started to ask a question, very simple and clear, so if anyone is not happy pls ignore it and go to other threads. Its insane and ebyond bleive to compare Siyaad Barre to USC, and I say knowing I My family suffered in his security forces's hands terribly, and I can assure you Siyaad Barre is not my tribe. But every human makes mistakes, and his mistakes are minor compare it to the USC, They commited the mother of all crimes, they even invented new ones into the Somali dictionary, e.g Isbaaro, Leejo, Ku nasiibso, Ku ciidee ama ku cun, etc. If a tribe recognises it self as USC so what? is that means I can't talk about their attrocities? well tough then.

What upper hand, I wonder if its the one you raise when you dig one more graveyard to loot the bones. Anyway Juma I have one advice for you mate, go to the nearest mirror to you, and have a deep look on your face,"if you have one", then if you have an aunce of dignity you would not deffend thoes barbaric people you long deffended.

Hey every one let Juma alone and calm down, it seems I missed the fun and what the guy uttered, and unfortunetly it was deleted before I read it. anyway I am surprised you guys were surprised of what he said. The guy is a well known born again anarchist who would love Somalia to be on this situation forever, So if I touched a sensative nerve it wasn't meant to be.

Alla u baahane Oo kaalay, USC hadeey xumeed, waaba ognahay inay xumaan ku dhamaatay ciyaarteediiye, ma waxaa fiicnaa wixii lagu jiray oo Cadaalad darro iyo diin naceyb ahaa ee uu Siyaad Barre nagu hayey? With respect to you Sir can you tell me Diinta ay Jeceshahay USC, Siyaad Barre had made his major mistakes, but tell me someone who never did a mistake, and I will shaw you a lier. The point is at Siyaad Barres time there was state, there was law and order, there was system, there was army, police, hospitals, courts, and so on. Tell me something USC did except death, distruction, missery, looting, rape, isbaaro, evil. and every negetive thing. So please get your facts right, and never compare Siyaad Barre to these ****** [ December 14, 2005, 00:31: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

We are approaching the 15th anniversiry of the overthrow of the Siyaad Barre, and the day the war came to the heart of Mogadishu. Alot of people will argue that 30th of december was the day Somalia was liberated by the USC rebels, they would say its a great day for somalis when an oppressive regime was kicked out, and people tasted total freedom, but in what price? isn't this a day when the gates of hell was opened and the somali race was damaged mentally, physically, economically, religiosly, educationally, environmentally, and so. Some would say its the day the day humanity was taken out of somalis, but then why blame the USCalone? there was SSDF, there was SNM, SPM,etc. I think all these groups share the blame, but the majority of the damege was done and still being done by the USC, they were the ones who conquered the capital, they were the ones who looted the state institutions, such as schools, hospitals, local governments, electricity, and everything which could make a country a state, and they were the ones who burried three governments, it seems they never learn from their mistakes, while other regions such as Somaliland and Puntland moved farward, the USC region seems to drift into chaos, chaos, and more chaos. So how would the Somalis in the future and us remember the USC, A psychotic killers or freedom fighters????????????

Xoogsade people get killed every where in the world and some western cities actually do have a higher murder rate than the whole Somalia combined in a year. That is the most s-t-u-p-i-d thing to say, it is in a way blessing, and trying to normalise what is going on in that part of somalia, what your saying is whats happening in xamar is the same as whats happening in London, Newyork, Paris, etc. What a comparison! you are comparing these great cities to a place where even the dead are not save from their bones being robbed. So you guys held you heads up and accept the critiq Togane is giving, it might be harsh, and maybe hurtful but its the truth, and the truth hurts.

Xoogsade The loser should have been back home and joined those who sacrifice much for their communities when they could have made tons of money in the West The guy would love to go back to his region as he mentioned, indeed that is what is annoying him not being able to go back, as he said the northerns can go back to Hargeysa for holiday, the puntlanders can do go to Bosaso for their summer holidays, but he can't go Mogadishu, coz he would be shot at, kidnapped, or the least robbed at gunpoint, every one knows the folks in Mogadishu eliminated lots of their intelectuals, su as C/qadir Yaxye, and the list goes on and on, So how would you could you say Togane should go back to that horrible mess, I sanse your sending him to his graveyard, So instead of getting annoyed by Toganes words, you should pour your anger towards your beloved warlods,such as uncle Qanyare, Untie Yaloxow, and brother 60 cent indhacade who you deffend day and nights, they are the real bad ones.