lol..what is going on out there? is this on the Ethiopian side of town?

AfricaOwn;828285 wrote: Wow..a big shocker. NG decides to go against the grain YET again. lol...apparently being a waffling Somalilander gets you cool points on this forum.

There is a small minority of people in Somaliland who hail from all tribes of the north that directly benefited from the dictatorship of Siad Barre. Though the great majority came from certain well known tribes not least of all the MOD alliance. For these folks life under that totalitarian regime and personality cult is something to feel nostalgic about. They had an easy life, there husband brought home insane amounts of money for doing nothing. The public treasury was there personal bank account with no withdrawal limits. They became so comfortable with this lifestyle that they assume till this very day that is how life should be. They have a false sense of entitlement to a life of privilege that is long gone and will never materialize again, some even confuse this lifestyle with patriotism and all that was good about 'Somalia'. Alot of these folks were simpletons, just sheep being lead one way or another, so when you hear them speak today and all the venom that comes out of their mouth about Somaliland and the long disbanded SNM I almost feel pity for them. It is understandable they should feed their children tall tales of being innocent and equally wronged as all other members of society but what is particularly disdainful is when you see avg young Somalilanders who did not hail from these former centers of influence today being apologetic to these kacaan leftovers on sites like this. Know your own damn history and don't let shameless folk on this site feed you non-sense. The regime declared collective punishment on one tribe associated with a rebel group and other neighbouring tribes in Somaliland went along with the government line, that is an undeniable fact of what was the war in the north. Thousands of young men many only teenagers fought in an existential war for you to have the privilege to go back home unmolested, own property without the threat of being dis-possessed and live in relative freedom. You should be proud that the SNM as soon as they gained control declared that no tribal vendettas were to be settled as an official policy and shortly there after called a conference to bring together the tribes in the hopes of mending fences. Some folks who were on the side that whipped out thousands of people indiscriminately and resorted to collective punishment, have the audacity to shed crocodile tears and try to pass isolated incidents as common place occurrences against them. Nevermind that that there tribal tulos were spared the brunt of the killings and that the SNM executives decided to ban all forms of revenge which for a rebel group that had a fairly decentralized leadership was phenomenal. It spared all of Somaliland the faith that awaited the rest of the Somalis in the civil war and the inter-tribal and intra-tribal fighting that followed. Ilaahey ha u naxaristoo dadkii dhintay o dhan, Mujahidiinti SNM-ta Ilaahey janadaa ha galiyo o danbigoga ha ka saamaxo. Keep in mind the bigger picture in the context of those bloody days and please do not allow their sacrifices and there memory to be surplanted by the shocking tales of personal loss and libel coming from certain corners.

MoonLight1;834530 wrote: Duufaan, your insulting a whole community by making them as if they are being bought & sold on cattle market by the highest bidder. its just east sanaag ppl are not confrontational and are always looking at the bigger picture, Peace . well put.

xiinfaniin;825261 wrote: ^^Professor Abtigis is always an objective observer of Somali politics , his conclusions hardly disappoint. Ditto his understanding of current hype iyo buuqa la dhexgelinayo geedi socodkan anagoo dhutinayna aan rabno inaan cid galno Easy to label people 'objective' when they reinforce your common clan agenda, I have never read this constitution nor will I likely ever read it, but if so many people are opposed to it especially in the south of Somalia and along clan lines than their must be something to it. Clan doesn't matter when it comes to furthering your own tribal agenda under the guise of nationalism I suppose! But hey if it comes to Somaliland than differing opinions along clan lines means everything! The hypocracy never stops its amazing. Isla xishoda.

I see alot of Puntland this and Puntland that where it should be about Somalia. Unfortunate for Somalia that they have to deal with phony nationalist who shamelesslly try to wrap their tribal agenda around the Somali flag and issues of National interest.

This is crazy, I think Nija folk got some money throwing involved in their wedding too, personally I would not like this to become the norm among somalis. What if some poor masaakiin wedding crashed and scooped all the cash though?

Clutching at Straws really. I think we ought to differentiate between those who desire unity but are pragmatic which is the majority of Somalis in Somalia I believe, and these NSPU types who are disgruntled Somalilanders with tribal grievances.

The poster Gaadhayee saids he knows what the CIA and Mi-6 know, he has insider information that apparently the rest of the world is unaware of. Hey the UN compound in Hargeisa was blown up by some wanna be jihadist but forget that! Somaliland is only the most progressive state on the horn but nevermind that, lets us pay close attention to this posters wild stories, secret agents are known to spend their precious time posting on silly somali forums. Please tell us more.

GaroweGal;814801 wrote: Some not so pretty looking Somali brothers on this site LOL. The only good looking black male celebrity is Shemar Moore. Shemar is a midget, I came across him once downtown Tdot, seing as how your likely a tall somali girl don't think he would be your cup of tea. I been associated often with a former New York Knick Allan Houston matter a fact it became a nick name in my teens years 'Houston'. I'd like to think it had more to do with serving up facials on dudes than a close resemblance. I hope nobody from my home town is reading this or I'm exposed Blessed your turn hadaba let me guess! Hale Berry?

RedSea;814835 wrote: ^^^Don't you have better things to do than criticize somaliland and its people at every opportunity you get? The current Somaliland Government is doing great job fighting against corruption as evidenced by these latest budget numbers. It's time to invest little bit of that money towards building some health facilities and city roads. Amiin! better City roads are much needed.

^You didn't answer the question of the thread

Hayeey Africa unite cause we movin right out of Babylon... and than they snaped backed to reality while the fire under which they held hands and sang kumbayaaaa was doused.

The Sage;813589 wrote: It's pathetic to think that everyday for the past 6 years people have claimed that Laascaanood was going to be imminently captured...yet nothing has happened. The delusional dreams of Ali Khalif Galaydh and his rag tag bandits will never materialize into anything other than mere rhetoric. What's more pathetic is these threads are full of propagandist who seem to think there waging a cyber war, lies and deceit, Somaliland army gets attacked at dawn and they're trying to twist the story because the raid was unsuccessfull.

Beautiful people Inshallah may they have a blessed marriage. But songs singing BarakAllah while booties are girating, call me a boring northerner but I don't know about ALL that plus a little to lovy dovy I think. What's up with all the Somalia flags and Uganda I believe, are they afraid we may mistake it for an Indian wedding cause it looks like one on some clips lol. Juxa, horta wa ku salamay! I think you're generalizing North American weddings dee too much affection during a wedding is unheard of in those that I have attended and I think that's how it should be! Keep it in private and behind closed doors please and thank you.

Xaaji Xunjuf;813448 wrote: ^^ dee ma aniga runta diidayaa xalay wabanu wada fadhinay adigu maxa meesha ku keeney? Ma sida sa nimanka cadowga ku haysta ugu qos qososha? waba la yab. So one minute these rebels are on the offensive like most news organisations have reported with a 630 am suprise attack on multiple fronts and the next they are pretending to be victims of a Somaliland offensive. One thing is clear, two offensive pre-dawn raids by these rebels on Somaliland positions in a row one previously at Sol-jogto and now this latest offensive. I wonder where the people who claim we don't need security spending are right now? I wonder if all these cyber-warriors and cheerleaders will be so gun-ho if and when Somaliland goes on the offensive again.

AsadSL;813218 wrote: Garhajis block:cool: Gee I wonder what tribe you hail from

Che -Guevara;813196 wrote: ^Extreme poverty is not good option either. If you look at other african countries that have an oil sector like Nigeria, you'll notice the oil wealth doesn't really trickle down to the poorest in those societies although they are more densely populated than Somalis and perhaps not the best comparison in that sense. Also governance in Nigeria is clearly corrupt and oil wealth surely plays its role.

Che -Guevara;813090 wrote: Hate speech is free speech. We might not like it but it should remain free. On the other hand, id!ots who cross the line should be tried to the fullest. It's actually exactly the goal of hate speech laws, its not to curtail free speech but to deal with those who cross the line or who would encourage violence against certain groups. Hate speech laws are not easy to enforce and some deem them to be against guarantees found in charters or constitutions. I'm no lawyer but that is my understanding.

I don't know if Oil is what we need right now, our democracy is still young, oil and the riches that come with it will corrupt most human beings.

5;812691 wrote: Ladies and gentlemen. Pay close attention because here we have a perfect example of the "coconut syndrome". A black person defending a white man's right to be "obnoxious, 1diotic and even racist" to his kind. That's all folks. I think Che may not be aware of how laws differ between the US and other western countries. In the US racists and xenophobes are free to express themselves regardless, where as other countries like Canada and probably the UK guarantee freedom of speech but with the caveat of hate speech laws. In Canada hate speech laws include provisions in the criminal code, in other words you can catch a charge for talking hate or doing anything race or religion oriented or even geared towards an identifiable group. Anne Coulter who used to be on fox talking all kinds of ignorance against muslims and spreading fear and hate in the US towards muslims was warned about those laws by the University of Ottawa admin when she came to talk there in case she tried that stuff over here. Hate speech laws may be controversial from a legal point of view, but I think its important to have them in a civilized society in my opinion, otherwise allowing people to spread hate degrades the entire society. As for this fool who's talking about a man who was fighting for his life in such a manner I have no pity for him I hope they apply those laws to the full extent applicable which I doubt will be very severe anyway. You know something is wrong with your morality when an entire country is making complaints about your comments to multiple police jurisdictions. UK has its own population of racists but even most of them wouldn't be so cowardly and foolish to take aim at a well liked athlete who happened to suffer a heart attack on the field and drew the sympathy of the entire country and beyond.

RedSea;812548 wrote: XX daaya waa geed adayg runtii. xaaji to come back to your point. Yes I agree with you, we do need strong security forces to protect our borders and coast. What I'm saying though is we should not pour the bulk of our resources trying to up the defense forces, when we have more pressing things to worry about. I believe there are more important and urgent projects like rebuilding the Hargeisa general hospital, road networks, and water system. The vast majority of Somalilanders don't have access to viable healthcare, hence another area we need to put our resources into. We also have to deal with water shortage problems; there are vast amount of unexplored water underneath the soil of Hargeisa and burco, we need to solve that as well. We also need to strenghthen our education system and make it possible for Somalilanders, rich or poor, who want to pursue higher education after high school to do so without obstacles. These are all basic human needs amd is well within our projected budget for fiscal year 2012. It's immensely important to distrubute the state resources to cover areas of immediate need, so that end we won't just be strong militarily, but also healthy and productive people as well. God bless the motherland. There are some efforts being made as far as water resources go with a recent loan from the ADB, as well in the upcoming conference in the US some people have been discussing more ways to improve water access. I even heard talk of exploring Desalination technologies although I'm not sure how readily accessible and affordable that would be.

Health care, Education and economic development is all good but it means nothing if you don't have peace and security. I think if we are to look at where the efforts of government and diaspora and find efficiencies perhaps it would be as far as the recognition campaign goes. Devoting more efforts towards building in Somaliland and less on outside recognition perhaps. I completely agree with XX that Somaliland finds itself in a very volatile and dangerous neighborhood, it won its peace more than 20 years ago and its going to take strength to keep it. Wars and pointless military campaigns like the one in Buhoodlee are not helpful but to preserve your peace in this part of the world you may have to fight and that is an undeniable reality. Although I'm not sure where XX was going with the entire Ethiopia episode, last I checked they were Somaliland's largest trading partner and ally.

Where is the honor in bringing the fight to a hospital or ousting anyone from a hospital?

AYOUB;811349 wrote: Masterstroke of *political move by Somaliland's president, if true that is. Enemies of the good republic would say that, wouldn't they? lol... how does that saying go? Don't bother explaining yourself to your enemies they won't believe you. well if a two term president who happens to hail from Awdal leads the negotiations he is STILL trying to 'proove' something by refusing to relinquish Somaliland's sovereignty to a failed state mind you! But if the leader of the negotiations is of 'duriyada' than you can pull out a tribal card and claim a single tribe is holding Somaliland hostage. The anti-Somaliland crowds has been rather predictable for quite a while now haven't they? Everyday life has moved beyond the tribal microscope and yet they're constantly trying to pull us back, why is that?