[ June 10, 2003, 02:57 AM: Message edited by: LANDER ]

hey dusty, I like your passion and your ideas for our country, walaal keep up the good work and stay positive. I am pressed for time to give you feed back on all your marvelous statements, but I'll get back to you very soon. BUT KEEP THE IDEAS COMING... Samurai, A man who supposedly “engages in intellectual discourse” does not have to resort to such ignorant and prejudice cheap shots. even the marauding ladies of Togdheer swamps are making claims for Hawd of all places

lool@hornafrique, I thought of the same thing too.

I re-posted on an old topic titled "America's sovereign right to do whatever it pleases..." started by Shujui. I hope the pro-american members in this topic(i.e.PALTALK, king_450) can take a look at the older thread. There were alot of good points brought about on american foreign affairs.

Hope you somalis debating about supporting america can read through some of this topic started by Shujui.

Samurai, Notice how in my last posting I tried to stay as objective as possible when stating facts on the ground. Even more, I think I gave the opposition towards Somaliland a little bit more credit just for the sake of finding common ground. I wish I could say the same for you sxb. Your spewing the same discourse heard many times coming from the so-called government in Puntland. Your post is similar to the verbosity one can read on puntlandstate.com, so please ease up on the rhetoric I think your starting to miss the point of this particular thread.

Ri garabo cuntey mirqaan keedo miciyo libaax mey moodaa. looooool@Gediid....waar nagaa da dee.

Samurai, When I say “we” I refer to all the populations living within the borders of Somaliland declared may 18th 1991. No matter their tribal backgrounds, political stance or historical Allegiance. Before you take this chance to jump to another debate let me state to you some my understanding of the present day situation in Somaliland. First of all, I cannot give you a definitive answer on the situation in Somaliland simply because the sources we all have for information tend to distort some of the fact to each their own degree, and that is why I don’t like to jump to conclusions. The only way I could give you definitive answers about the situation in SS&H would be for me to spend significant time in those regions (i.e.Las Canood, Erigawo, Bulhodle). So the best any of us can do is make educated guess’ based on conflicting information, and so I will state you mine. I believe there is a majority (how slight or large remains to be determined) in Sool that is currently against Somaliland sovereignty, Sanaag and Hawd also have some opposition however, the Percentage in Sanaag is not nearly as significant as the one in Sool . That being said, I still believe all these regions can effectively remain under the sovereignty of Somaliland. There will always be opposition when one declares independence, just like George Washington had to contend with the loyalist, any leader of Somaliland would Be obliged to undertake a similar task. But for those regions to effectively remain in Somaliland sovereignty, I think the government needs to stop dragging its feet and start investing all their money, effort and time in improving all regions of the nation. Infrastructures and social services would be a great place to start. I believe these efforts would also face some serious security threats (i.e. Puntland loyal militias), and maybe security should be the first issue to be handled before infrastructures etc… Either way, case point of all this being that ALL people of the Somaliland regions “deserve better”. I will remain optimistic that the government and private citizens will see to it.

I've missed alot, yet I don't see any of these debates going anywhere. All I see are people taking cheap shots at each other, ignoring each others concerns (i.e. this quote of AYOUB Samurai gave a number of reasons why Somaliland wants to be seperate, but left out the most important one which is: WE DESERVE BETTER.); using clever expressions and metaphors to reinforce otherwise weak arguments (samurai); posting misinformation (horn afrique’s article) etc… Landers, Why don’t we just concentrate on improving our home land. We are known for taking action and not wasting time in pointless and hopeless arguments. I started a topic on Somaliland’s problems and would very much like your inputs on it. None of us can really have a direct impact on the situation back home, but talking about these issues and spreading awareness on other problems related to Somaliland will serve us better in the future. So in other words, lets help each other and learn from one another so we can better serve our country. The Thread is titled “Somaliland’s incompetent leadership…….” Gaining recognition is not the main focus of my posting, but we do have to admit it is vital for TRADE and that would be the most important reason to me to seek it. p.s. Non-landers are more than welcome to contribute. (i.e.Bari_Nomad, entrepreneur) thanks for the inputs.

Entrepreneur, I never said the only reason somaliland was being held back was a lack of recognition. I agree with you a nation needs not be recognized to function properly, and I even go a step further and wish for Somaliland to accelerate basic government functions, despite not having international backing. (i.e. improving infracstuctures, establishing sovereignty over borders etc...)

whoops..I forgot to adjust the settings so that you can't vote for more than one, so please don't vote for more than one .

Vote for your personnal favorite among the new abbreviations for WMD's. Though choice isn't it? I know many of you would like to say ALL OF THE ABOVE .

St-Paul chick, thanks for the topic, I'm a be visitin london soon too.

Samurai, is MIS=managing information services?

damn this is confusing..lol..I found more than 8 problem is, after 8 I coundn't keep track of which ones I've seen already and which ones are new.

damn this is confusing..lol..I found more than 8 problem is, after 8 I coundn't keep track of which ones I've seen already and which ones are new.

hmmmm...nice to see so many ppl majoring in Business, because thats my field too. why? simple: its in my blood and I was made for it or so I think so for the moment.

hmmmm...nice to see so many ppl majoring in Business, because thats my field too. why? simple: its in my blood and I was made for it or so I think so for the moment.

lol@44 caliber...aight homey, I smell u..San Antonio and New Jers might put peeps to sleep

you got a point miss unique. By the way its actually 4 billion dollars that the US gives in Aid to Israel+ bonuses. (I wish it were only 20 million )

Discussions of philosophical concepts aside though such concepts tend to strengthen, hence add substance to the debate for politics in itself is a branch or a discipline of philosophy that one could not approach the former whilst distancing oneself from the later, for such would equate taking a dip in the Thames river yet not wanting to come into contact with water. quite sure of yourself aren't you Samurai? perhaps in due time we can start a thread on philosophy. Then perhaps you can explain to me your understanding of posterior analytics and we'll find out if that arrogance of yours is really justified. p.s.If hargeisa practices isolationist business methods, why invest in Somaliland? aren't you contradicting yourself? It doesn't sound like sound business principles emanating from a man with such high claims as yours. Ayoub, you made some good points sxb.

Bari_Nomad for once we do agree, I would've like to see Siilanyo in power, just to test the difference between him and the Ciigaal/Riyaale camp. But the fact of matter right now is that Riyaale is in power and the rest of Somalilanders have to do whatever it takes to take their country forward regardless of who's in power. I do feel though that he is dragging his feet, alot of people said before the election that it would be disastrous for Riyaale to gain power. I will give him the benefit of the doubt as long as he gets off his lazy a**. Now lets pretend we are all advisors to the government in Somaliland, where do you think the national policy should be headed? 1-I think we should start by improving infrastructures whitin the country (i.e. Hargeisa hospital, building roads in Burco) 2-We should reach out to the people of Sool and eastern Sanaag and offer basic social services over there.(if they don't already exit) We cannot assume these territories are under our sovereignty unless we are directly involved and have a presence their. Also the people should not feel marginalise as compared to the rest of the country. 3-We should definetely come up with a solution to define CLEARLY the borders so we can implement some basics of sovereignty. There are already some checkpoints but we have to improve on that. FEEL FREE TO COME UP WITH OTHER IDEAS PPL......... p.s. RUDY i like your passion sxb, maybe in the futur somalis will be GREAT as you describe. I don't see that happening anytime soon though.

who do y'all think is gonna win between San Antonio and New Jersey? I think the Spurs are gonna take it, but the nets fast break might be more trouble then alot of people predict. Still anything can happen, the Nets have been on a row lately, they took their last 2 series pretty easily. They are full of confidence. Despite all this I still think Spurs should take it, because most of the players on the nets don't know how to generate their own offence without jason kidd, and I think parker will do a good job on him.

I am not referring directly to Riyaale, but I am concerned with the pace the country is moving at. I feel there are 3 major obstacles that are holding back Somaliland, and these are not necessarily ones you’d expect. 3)Both national and international politics-(i.e. Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Djibouti, other Somalis etc…) 2)Territorial integrity and defining clear borders-(including dispute about Sool and parts of Saanag) 1)Charismatic leadership-international and national diplomacy, improving national infrastructure, improving defence etc…. I am pressed for time but feel free to post your own views on obstacles faced by Somaliland and how we can deal with them.

Samurai, I will try to keep this short. If you would like to discuss Aristotelian philosophies, that can be done in appropriate time. I very much differ from you in my understanding of posterior analytics and did not see the relevance of linking it to the trial of intention argument. I doubt you understood my explanation of the “trial of intention” argument and its relevance to your previous posting. My goal on this posting was to spread this article. Not to discuss the sovereignty of Somaliland or to engage in philosophical arguments. Now you are more than welcome to comment on the different regions of Somaliland, but when you say the majority of Sanaag and Hawd identify more with Puntland then Somaliland, then you are spreading your own version of “propaganda”. Just like if a Somalilander where to tell you that the majority of the residents of Sool are supportive of Somaliland, then that would also be “propaganda”. You are making your statements on Sanaag&Hawd sound like FACT, as if you went in person to those regions to conduct some sort of CENSUS. Well you can quote me if you like on this because it is my own personal opinion, but Somaliland will not compromise on Sanaag and Hawd. Either way I have gotten more involved in an argument about this subject then I would like. p.s. I heard the people of Awdal have become very pro-somaliland, ever since Riyaale got elected. Of course I have no facts to back up any claim. I hope we continue to win over all of the people whitin our territories.