Originally posted by HornAfrique: quote: "qorofol" Do you mean "qolfe"? ...yeah I guess so horn, that must be the reer konfureed pronunciation. Out of curiosity what do you call haiil? is it the same?

lol@coriander the xawash northerner is refering to such things as "qorofol", in english its close to cinammon sticks and "haiil" that I don't know any english equivalent for, but what is shax whitout these ingredients I ask? I'm presuming all these comparisons are serving as a lesson in the cultural differences between north and south. Femme_fatale are you taking notes?

Originally posted by Fyr-Kanten: Yeah sure!, if you can read in swedish demining page 30-31 [/QB] , thanks for the link sxb unfortunately I can't read a lick of swedish. What I was wondering though is why these missiles were not salvaged, Were they obsolete due to their age? or was it simply too dangerous to try and salvage them. Perhaps its has to do with that UN arms embargo. Maybe you can tell me if it mentions anything about this in the swedish text.

thats interesting sxb, can you provide a link. thanks

Fyr-Kanten, sxb are these SA-2 missiles being disarmed in Somaliland too?

my bad bachelor I guess Abdullah was the british ladies son. Or is that wrong?

Originally posted by MsWord: Hornafrique...must I remind you that somaliland isn't a clan entity. it is bad enough their heroic president was part of Barre's regime...as if that wasn't a devasting blow that they chose to ignore like a mother coaxing medicine into a toddlers mouth....now you must insult their misplaced need for independence and self-rightous that is inflicted upon their mind like an epidemic. anyway Pride of Africa...what a laughable notion...I think you should put this thread in the joke section. I just love when people use sarcasm to hide their ignorance and frustration. You know ms.Word they say self-righteousness is a manifestation of self-contempt. Keeping in mind that self-contempt is but a few degrees shy of self-hatred, do you know of any Somalis that hold contempt for the situation in their own country?.................... Surely not Somalilanders Originally posted by Northerner: You can hate me now, but i wont stop now! [/QB] ey yo Norf, I hear that sxb

Ameenah, The reason King Abdullah might seem too western to you is because the man is half white. His mother queen Noor is originally American. In my view though, half white or not I think this whole hashimite business is overrated. If you can trace your ancestry back to the prophet that is great, but it shouldn't automatically entitle you to a leadership position.

After months of bombing and artillery, countless civilian deaths and half the survivors displaced, It is finally "safe" enough for the US to venture into Fallujah. They are going lead an assault with some estimated 15-20 000 troops including heavy armoured tank units to kill and destroy the remaining resistance fighters in that city (estimated at 3000). The amount of Civilian Casualties suffered by the months of bominbing is not known, but its safe to assume it's in the thousands. May Allah be with these mujahids as they are clearly outnumbered and outguned. Prayers and tears in Falluja http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3990773.stm http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/DA2FE7D7-FA3C-473B-B094-AC7AF29E392B.htm The Iraqi city of Falluja is braced for an assault by US forces massed on its outskirts. The BBC News website spoke by phone to a reporter in Falluja, who described how people left in the city live on through siege and bombardment. He is not named for security reasons. When I hear bombs falling around my neighbourhood, I keep thinking - any moment now, I could be killed. It is worst during the night, when the bombardment is most intense. Inside Falluja: Part One If a big bomb lands somewhere nearby, you often hear crying and wailing afterwards. It is a very strange feeling because in between the screaming, there is the sound of more missiles flying. That is when I think - I could be next. Another sound you hear during the bombing is that of prayers. People pray loudly because they are so scared. Sometimes, you hear people say quite unusual things - they improvise, making up their own prayers. US election We followed the US elections very closely from Falluja. It was a matter of life and death. Many people were hoping John Kerry would win because they felt he would not have allowed our city to be attacked like this. Of course, we also know that the US policy in Iraq at large is not going to change. We do not forget that George Bush and John Kerry are two sides of the same coin. Still, as far as our city is concerned right now, a Kerry victory would have brought some hope. Roads blocked I left my old house in the north of the city a month ago, when the Americans began bombing that area all the time. Now I live with a small group of friends near the centre of Falluja. US bombing raids cause fresh casualties every day We are just men here. All our wives and children have left the city - some we sent to Baghdad, others to quieter areas closer by. We cook and eat together and spend most of our time in the house. If you want to leave the house, the safest time to do so is between seven in the morning and one in the afternoon, when the Americans take a break from the bombing. The souk [market] in the centre of Falluja is open from morning to midday and, fortunately, it has not run out of food so far. But I can't see how long the supplies will last - two days ago, the government said it was cutting off the roads from Falluja to Baghdad and Ramadi. I don't know what we will eat then. I guess we might still be able to grab hold of some meat - I've seen a lot of goats in the city. There is only one road out of the city that is still open now - but it runs through a checkpoint manned by US soldiers. We think they're going to cut this route off quite soon as well. Hospitals A lot of people have left Falluja. Mostly only men remain. Food may soon run out because key roads to the city are closed This used to be a city of 500,000 people. Now, my guess is there are about 100,000 still here. Some people who tried to leave earlier on found they had to come back because there was no way of surviving away from their homes. Iraq is a difficult place to live at the moment. There are not many opportunities. The hospitals I have seen are full of people but empty of supplies and medicine. The erratic electricity also makes operating difficult. Ten to 18 new cases are brought in every day. The injured know they won't get much treatment. They come just to be near the doctor, to hear the doctor talk to them.

the Yankees or coming! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3987697.stm US vote boosts interest in Canada Will President Bush be waving goodbye to despondent Democrats? Canadian immigration officials said the number of US citizens visiting their website went up six-fold the day after the US election. Their website, which on an average day has some 20,000 hits, was visited by 115,016 on Wednesday, Reuters news agency reported. The figure dropped on Thursday but was still higher than normal, at 65,803. There was speculation that Democrats fed up with George W Bush's win were thinking of moving over the border. The idea of disgruntled Americans wishing to emigrate north across the border has amused Canadians. One commentator, Thane Burnett, wrote a tongue-in-cheek guide to possible new citizens. "As Canadians, you'll have to learn to embrace and use all the products and cultures of Americans, while bad-mouthing their way of life," he wrote in the Ottawa Sun newspaper. Hundreds of Canadians have also signed up to a satirical website urging them to do their bit and marry an American. "Open your heart, and your home. Marry an American," AFP news agency quotes www.marryanamerican.ca as saying. "Legions of Canadians have already pledged to sacrifice their singlehood to save their southern neighbours from four more years of cowboy conservatism." New high "When we looked at the first day after the election... our website hit a new high, almost double the previous record high," said Immigration ministry spokeswoman Maria Iadinardi. Canada has a large-scale immigration policy, and Ms Iadinardi said Canada would welcome all new applicants - whether they be Democrats or Republicans. Canada may prove attractive to gay couples in the US "Let's face it, we have a population of little over 32 million and we definitely need permanent residents to come to Canada," she was quoted by Reuters as saying. But she said it would take about six months to find out if there had been an increase in applications. "There is no unusual activity occurring at our visa missions (in the US). Having someone who intends to come to Canada is not the same as someone actually putting in an application," she said. Canada could find itself attracting more gay couples from the US after a Saskatchewan court ruled in favour of homosexual marriages on Friday. The prairie province joins five other provinces and one territory in Canada by declaring existing marriage laws discriminate against gay couples and are unconstitutional. Earlier this week, 11 US states voted to ban gay marriage in referendums held on the same night as the election.

Originally posted by India: Besides am a sure hit maker me, every time I visit a thread the page quadruples. A phenomena came to be known as the "the dusty effect" Dusty.

Originally posted by Caano Geel: WHAT you skinnies are allowed to vote :confused: You be suprised sxb, the same skinnies who are crying about Bush actually voted for him in 2000. The irony of life......

Originally posted by Baashi: As to the US media, they are very biased. So biased that they are blowing each other's covers. Liberal media vs. Conservative activism is the buzz word among the shouting pundits. If you are not informed, well-rounded, avid reader and objective person, waa laguu yaabaa. I'm curious as to what you consider to be liberal media in the US? (besides radio america that is) Walahi I think the muslim political advocacy groups in the USA are a sad bunch. In 2000 they were allergic to anything democratic because senator Joseph Liberman (zionist) was Al Gore's running mate, they mostly voted in favour of Bush. Which entails the support of extremely conservative ideals, and oh yeah and remember the poor folks? perhaps like the somali ppl living in the US, if these "muslims" had bothered to try and understand the republican ideology they would have came to the conclusion that the little people were going to be trampled upon; including palestinians on foreign policy issues. But of course they fell for the cowboys rhetoric and matter a fact I met a top PLO negotiator recently who also happens to be a US citizen, he informed us that the great majority of palestinian-americans were dubbed "conservatives" and voted for Bush overwhelmingly in 2000. I don't see how you can call yourself a political conservative one minute, and the next minute ask of the conservative leadership that you just so happen to help elect to power to act in a "liberal" manner. It simply doesn't make sense. I can respect Bush for staying true to his conservative base, but what I don't respect is these arab-americans who seem to be having an Identity crisis and are taking the poor somali community along for the ride. If Bush wins tonight, I hope they inact the Patriot act part 3, so all you skinnies can run to Canada and experience real democracy .

My question to you ppl is who does the better dirty bird, Lewis or Owens? guessin y'all seen terell owens imitation of Ray after scoring that touch down. Hilarious

Truthfull, It’s called wishful thinking by these people whom are well rehearsed in the misinformation techniques of abo-Siyaad. How sad these little attempts of divide and conquer make them look is of no consequence to them. Guess it is true what the latin say: "No one ever lost his honor, except he who had it not."

wiilo, You and I seem to be the only ones to value their bus passes Mojam, I know the tax rates are a bit higher than the US, but the government excise tax is a serious source of revenue for both the provincial and federal governments. It is used for such things as highway construction and better public transportation among other social benefits. Some of the tree hugers are even advocating for a half penny hike in gas prices for research on environmentally friendly sources of energy. I think if the gas prices keep going up the government will have no choice but to lower the tax slightly. I find it ironic though when Somalis criticize government taxes when most of us abuse the system with our welfare-collecting majority. But anyway I’m sure you can take the TTC to your 35 km destination, so in conclusion ride the rocket sxb .

Originally posted by Rahima: ^ Good on him? :confused: quote: mujaahidiinta ah ee Daraawiishta Puntland I always laugh at this . Every qabiil believes that there misguided fighters are mujaahidiin. How they mess with the word :rolleyes: . Neither side deserves to use that word in this battle. I don't see a particular group facing annihilation. This is another pathetic attempt by the Puntland propaganda machine to equate itself with the legendary heritage of modern day Somaliland and its founding fathers.

Originally posted by Rahima: ^ Good on him? :confused: quote: mujaahidiinta ah ee Daraawiishta Puntland I always laugh at this . Every qabiil believes that there misguided fighters are mujaahidiin. How they mess with the word :rolleyes: . Neither side deserves to use that word in this battle. I don't see a particular group facing annihilation. This is another pathetic attempt by the Puntland propaganda machine to equate itself with the legendary heritage of modern day Somaliland and its founding fathers.

Those men were killed in action the headline that Nationalist didn't bother to post reads "Sawirada maleyshiyada *********iya kuwa dhintay iyo kuwo la so qabtay". Therefore, No POW laws were broken. I prefer not to have these pics posted myself but it isn’t against the Geneva Convention to post pictures of soldiers killed in action. I'm sure they will receive a proper burial in Burco.

Take the bus ppl, driving is a luxury.

Originally posted by Legend of Zu: X Q = Short Tracy Chapman look alike with Tyson's Lips & teeth. she is wearing a striped Shirt tucked in Jeans & Boots..she is standing outside just had smoke.. [/QB] Zu if you only knew

Lander please don't respond with a punt, because your meaning was concise and clear, although not a reality. Don't flatter yourself; your small-minded gibberish doesn't usually merit a response on my part.

Yasmine, thanks for the sources, I'll be sure to check them out. First of all in the two examples I am looking preferably to contrast a recognised nation (rather a new member of the UN) with the case of Somaliland. As for the second choice I am probably looking for countries that gained secession as the result of conflict. I was thinking more along the lines of either Eritrea or East Timor. Eritrea due to its similar ethnic and tribal make up where you got large ethicities like the Jabarti and Tigre and smaller ones like the Afar who were against the secession of Eritrea because it would leave them more vulnerable to the rule of these larger tribes. Not to mention the regional similarities that could be drawn between Eritrea and Somaliland. As for East Timor it could be a great example too, simply because its secession was defined by the old portuguese colonial territory. A border that was defunct for decades and was re-instated with the fall of a dictator (Suharto) hence the similarities with Somaliland. You suggested the Basque but I couldn't really draw any similarities or even substantiate argument for secession in their case. Firstly, the overwhelming majority of basque people do not pursue secession other than the smaller militant group known as ETA as well as a few smaller groups. Secondly, they do not control or run an integral amount of territory to even consider for a state, that is in either southern France or northern Spain. At least that is my understanding of the Basque movement. As for Quebec a slight majority voted in two referendums to not declare independence, therefore not what I'm looking for. I am open to suggestions though, feel free to give me any other ones if you come up with something else. Thanks.

libaax, I'm curious as to where you got these scores sxb and how they were determined, can you give us the source? Something always told me Somalis where abnormal creatures, but I hadn't realized we were actual "retards" .

"This is typical," Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra said on Tuesday when asked about reports of scores dead. "It's about bodies made weak from fasting. Nobody hurt them." This guy must be a moron, since when did fasting lead to death in a 5 hour stretch? If Allah wills it, these mujahids will one day have their sovereign state and I hope the same for the rebels in southern Philippines. Needless to say the UN will not be giving as much attention to these cases as they had to the christian minority of East Timor.