Duke, ninyaho isku xishood allaa kuu jeedee.

The Somali Development Foundation (SDF) Presents Somalia: Current Prospects for Reconciliation and Development Saturday, April 21, 2007 11:00 AM The Columbus State Community Collage 550 E. Spring Street Columbus, OH 43215 The conference will be an opportunity to hear from a panel of speakers and there will be a Questions and Answers session afterwards. Among the distinguished speakers are: Mr. James C. Swan, Deputy Assistance Secretary of the African Affairs from US State Department Bureau of African Affairs. Mr. Francois L. Fall, UN Special Representative for Somalia and the head of UNPOS. Mr. David Shinn, Former Ambassador of United State to Ethiopia. Mr. Abdulqadir Haji Masale, Former Somali Minister of Interior and the Chairman of the Somali Supreme Council Prof. Warsame H. Ali, Chairman of Somali Development Foundation. Dr.Ali Faqi, commentator on Somali politics. Imam Mohamed Dini, Chairman of Somali Political Affairs Committee (SPAC) The conference will be in question and answer format, moderated by an SDF members.

Sheekh Shariif: ciidamada Ethiopia waxa ay bartilmaameed ka dhiganayaan shacabka. Asmara Jimce April 20, 2007 Simba Radio Guddoomiyaha Guddiga Fulinta Golaha Maxkamadaha Islaamiga Soomaaliyeed Sheekh Shariif Sheekh Axmed, ayaa maanta ka hadlay dagaalka maalintii labaad ka socda Deegaano ka tirsan magaalada Muqdisho ee caasimadda Somalia. Sheekh Shariif oo isaga oo jooga magaalada Asmara ee caasimadda dalka Eritrea wareysi siiyay Taleefishinka Al-Jazeera, ayaa sheegay in dagaalka uu yahay mid Sharci iyo Akhlaaq darro ah oo ka baxsan Qaanuunka Caalamiga ah. Waxa uu ku eedeeyay Ciidamada Ethiopian-ka ah ee ka dagaalamaya Muqdisho inay bartilmaameed ka dhiganayaan dadka rayidka ah oo ay si ula kac ah u waxyeeleynayaan. Waxa uu sheegay in xaaladda bani aadannimo ee Muqdisho ay gaartay heerkii ugu xumaa, kadib markii ciidamada Ethiopian-ka ah ay bilaabeen inay shacabka xasuuqaan. Sheekha ayaa dadka Soomaaliyeed ugu baaqay inay iska difaacaan ciidadamadan oo uu sheegay inay dalka xoog ku qabsadeen iyo Dowladda Cabdullaahi Yuusuf ee dalka kusoo hogaamisay Cadowga sida uu hadalka u dhigay. Guddoomiyaha Guddiga Fulinta Golaha Maxkamadaha Islaamiga Soomaaliyeed ayaa ku gacan seeray warar soo noq noqday oo kasoo yeeray Dowladda KMG ah ee Somalia oo ah in Al-Qacida ay dagaal ka waddo Muqdisho, waxaana uu yiri in dadka dagaalamaya ay yihiin wax iska cabin shacbiga ka mid ah. Sheekh Shariif ayaa sheegay in qaar ka mid ah ciidamada Ethiopian-ka ee lasoo qasbay ay ka carareen magaalada Muqdisho ayna u baxsadeen dalka Yemen , markii ay arkeen dagaalka geesinimada ah ee shacbiga Soomaaliyeed. Waxa uu ugu baaqay Dowladda Yemen in Askartaasi aysan u gacan gelin Dowladda Ethiopia , sababtuna waxa ay tahay buu yiri ayada oo haddii ay dalkooda ku laabtaan la ciqaabayo ama la dilayo. Turjumadii : Axmed Cali Sheekh alaxmed@hotmail.co.uk

Cumar, you are a breath of fresh air in this otherwise humid environment if I say so myself!

Red Sea, clearly this seems to be a presentation of a part of history that is, how shall I say, conveniently, left out when discussing Somalia's modern history. What is your contention? That we shouldn't discuss history :confused:

Originally posted by Cumar: Paragon, Somalis who witnessed the sixties and seventies would enlighten you about the sense of unity achieved in the seventies and the lack thereof in the sixties. In the sixties, there was heavy corruption and a high level of tribalism based affairs and the present government of that time degenerated into anarchy. There were over thousand clan-based candidates and over seventy parties for fewer than 130 seats. The Somali population was simply tired of this power struggle, disunity and pseudo-democracy. Somalia, during that period, received the highest foreign aid per capita in comparison to other African states but there was practically little development projects to no visible improvement in the standard of living. The aid money went straight in to the pockets of the politicians. Most of the custom duties were pocketed by civil servants; hospitals were selling their medicines to local pharmacies; and government-owned cars were being used as taxis. There was no minimum basis for national cooperation and high decree of moral decay was prevalent. This is why M S Barre started a campaign exposing the thievery and mismanagement of the political leaders in the early months after the coup. After Maxamed Siyaad Barre (RH) staged the revolution with senior army officers, it was welcomed by every Somali. Within three years, M S Barre achieved goals that took the previous government forever to decide on. He put in effect the choice of a script for the national language. Civil servants of up to 30,000 students were sent to the baaddiye to educate the nomads in literacy. Industry, banks and businesses were nationalised. Cooperative farms were promoted. Rehabilitation programs were created for drought victims. At least 30,000 students and teachers took part in the rescue-operation with the backing of $20 million. The SN Army was increased from 10,000 to 40,000. He banned foreigners from taking in posts that could be filled by Somalis. Rent was reduced, prices were frozen. The seventies was marked as the best era of Somalia. Kids grew up with no single regard to their clan. Somalis displayed the "Somalia against the World" and "Somalia on the top of the World" attitudes. This is manifested in the words of Abdi Sheikh Abdi who said: quote: It can hardly be denied that Somalia under its present leadership has achieved some impressive results. This is most apparent to someone, like myself, who had been out of the country for many years. A good number of ambitious projects have been started, and in part completed, under the military Government, including the rehabilitation and resettling of nomads who had lost their flocks during the 1974-5 Deba-Dhere drought. These destitute former herdsmen have been settled in farming and fishing co-operatives between the two perennial rivers of south-western Somalia. Other projects include the north-south tarmac highway, built with Chinese technical help, which connects the two main regions of the Somali Republic and thus has both economic and political roles to play. Other projects undertaken by the Barre regime, though less successful, have instilled a co-operative spirit and a work-ethic that had been woefully lacking in the Somalia of the 1960s. The germ of this new spirit is most discernable in the numerous revolutionary youth centres that have been established in recent years. I recall having been very moved by one of the songs sun by orphan girls who had known no other home but such a centre, and no other parent but the state: It is a time of pleasant suprises When one journeys from a place of drought and desolation to one of plenty and prosperity There was a time When I did not know my lineage Now I have a father in [President] Siad. A mother in the October Revolution The flag is my uncle, The land my grandfather, The soil my grandmother... http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w175/Cumar_2007/AbdiSheikhAbdi.jpg M S Barre changed the "Whom do you know?" question in to the "What do you know?" which aimed at strengthening the sense of unity and non-tribal identification. I believe things started going downhill after Ina Yusuf staged a clan-based coup and created the first clan-based militia that made M S Barre suspicious (begin 80's) and started confining to his own group. Nevertheless, M S Barre has achieved initially what no Somali has achieved before and that is uniting Somalis for the first time and that is an undeniable fact. Sources: http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w175/Cumar_2007/WilliamZartman.jpg http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w175/Cumar_2007/PeterWoodward.jpg http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w175/Cumar_2007/MilitaryRegimes-1.jpg http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w175/Cumar_2007/MilitaryRegimes.jpg http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w175/Cumar_2007/KirsternHolstPetersenNuruddinFarahc.jpg http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w175/Cumar_2007/DavidLaitin5.jpg http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w175/Cumar_2007/DavidLaitin4.jpg http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w175/Cumar_2007/DavidLaitin3.jpg http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w175/Cumar_2007/DavidLaitin2.jpg http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w175/Cumar_2007/DavidLaitin1.jpg http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w175/Cumar_2007/Apostolopoulos.jpg http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w175/Cumar_2007/AbdiSheikhAbdi.jpg Where did you find these sources from Cumar? They were enlightening to say the least!

Originally posted by Cumar: quote:Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^You see, the reason I did not response to your diatribe was because your tone and writing sounded quite familiar. I can easily distinguish between rational people from the irrational ones. And with that you may want consider using your talent to advance other causes adeer and forgo from the urge of defending a dictator who passed away years ago and whose crimes and cruelties are recorded both in print and memory. xiinfaniin, whilst debates that ommit references is your thing, it is fortunately is not mine. So I advise you to stop employing evasive maneuvers and learn the rules of debating where you provide complete source citations for your allegations. To regard a well-reference post as a diatribe is simply ludicrous and yet has the audacity to to accuse me of irrationality. Taa haka jawaabo! Enlightening posts were yours, fully referenced and cited. Xiin, of course, finds himself unable to spew hearsay in the face of documented sources!.

Badda, waa hagaag adeer.

Nabashe clearly the art of logical thinking escapes you. Somaliland went there with the intention of "enforcing" the border (read: ready to engage in conflict) followed by high level ministers to legitimatize and tell the world that the border was enforced without a shadow of a doubt. A clash took place. That is a known part of the equation. The muddy part is the withdrawal of Somaliland forces. Even so, just as two plus two equals two then withdrawal after a clash clearly signfies a defeat. Everything else after the clash itself is irrelevent because a clash took place and Somaliland was forced to run hightail to Ceerigaabo and familiar territory. Even to an adolescent that signifies defeat.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^You are not making sense adeer. Come again!

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: while you and good Horn support him today for the mere fact he employed your uncle, Hiiraale. Is that not when you left the TFG bandwagon and reinvented yourself as a champion of Islam and the people of Mogadishu to the amazement and humor of many contributers of this forum?

d/p

Allamagan- The said man is appealing to a perceived shared victim hood in order to get the Somalilanders to relate to him. One would call it the "buttering up approach" I presume. In that, you will ultimately find it apparent that the most easiest person to blame for those said atrocities just so happens to be the individual Xiin wants to relegate as the common denominator in their collective experience. It is less harmful and inexpensive that way. As you can see, it would therefore be completely excruciating and unwarranted for him and the attempt towards shared commonality to not only describe the atrocities committed by the heroified groups but as well as to bring to attention the areas of origins of the on-the-ground culprits from both their individual experiences (Morgan and others of Puntland's hand in the Somaliland experience, and Habane and others of Somaliland's hand in the Mudug experience). One cannot help but ponder what the response of the outside world would be towards Bush being personally at fault for the actions of Jessica Lynch in the Abu Ghraib scandal. One cannot also help but remark on the amazingly primitive nature of the Somali psyche even when it has undergone some form of schooling.

Red Sea, I have read with interest and humour your defense of the defeat of the Somaliland forces in Dhahar. What is your excuse now after this bombshell coming from the horse's mouth? According to this testimony not only did an altercation take place but the Somaliland team clearly abandoned ship knowing full well they could not possibly "enforce" the "border" as the political con-artists such us Waraabe and others in Hargeisa convinced of them and the idealistic diaspora. So much for Suldaanka putting the blame on Riyaale when a clash did ensue and the Somaliland militia clearly withdrew in defeat... As for the nick, might I suggest you revert back to Red Sea? You do understand all pretenses are over..

I promise you I will come back to that Khalaf but know I know Xiin better then you. People trained in a certain art are able to pick up any unconscious voice within a piece of writing (or speaking). My dear friend Xiin is a TFG'ester.

Gartay but still my pointing that out is quite relevant. I have heard "Somalilanders" on more then one occasion say they are capable of going it alone because they have oil. I just did not know that it would be true only if Las Anod was in the equation. As for your piece, I must say you handled yourself quite nobly. Your demeanor that is, especially in the face of the crude obscenities Oodweyne hurled in one particularly disgusting post.

Khalafow! Adeer Xiin, at the least is a neutralist. That is if his conscience is as a good as he displays. I am willing to bet he is on the TFG side, what say you?!

Me, according to that State Department document you brought the place Conoco was most obsessed with and had concessions in was Las Anod eh?

Sheekadu ma reer Muqdisho hays laayaan baa?

Originally posted by Mr. Red Sea: the SNM was using the weapons they had captured from the SNA with the exception of few provided to them by Ethiopia.Which brings me to point out that the SNM was in Ethiopia under its own interest and EThiopia was also benefiting from them,it was we both win type of scenerio Maantana waa Mujaahid Badda Cas.

Well I am definitely not guilty of anything nor wish my eyes were closed, but perhaps you shouldn't over dramatize unfortunate incidents in order to give more legitimacy to current political maneuverings?

REMEMBERING THE UNSUNG AND FORGOTTEN HEROES OF LABAATAN JIRROW And what is the aim exactly?

Fabrication. There is a very apt saying that goes "there are no secrets in Somalia". Are we now at at "discovering" graves? I remember Jacaylbaro posting a very similar topic last year so kindly do excuse me if I start taking anything from you with a pinch of salt.

Dhubad, that's Gaalayso not the Saar (Goobile). Faarax, ninyaho ma lagugu soo degay waad bururtaye markaad bahashu maqashaye.

This is a more low-key Gaalleyso from Bardhere.