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Paragon hay oran wax kalaad iga sugeyse? Ninyaho xaal isii, tani gogol yaa laysugu imaan! Hadalkeyga kulul ha eegin haraagaha Morgan markaan doodayno (absolutely no clan connotation btw, I mean the real remnants ) ee ninyaho fakirkaan Kismaayo ka haysto waa fakirkaan Xamar iyo meel walbaaba ee dalka ka mid ahi aan ka haysto. Gogosha un kaso xaadir yaan kaaga tagi, ta meesha ka dhacday waa in layga gar siiyaa. Emporer and Wiil_Duco- Waa hagaag adeeryaal!

Kismaayo ummada Soomaaliyeed ee nabada jecel baa leh, waxii Afgaduud cayriyene waa loo dhamaa saxaafada qola ha buunbuunisee. Gacmadadheere la hadal beelaha dhan meesha dago, wallow ahaadaane reeraha Xaramka, reeraha Jilib iyo Jamaame dee sidu xaalku yahaane loo sheegey.

Originally posted by Khalaf: MMA a supporter of Shariif da qaat seller and Ethiopian intervention (I suppose?) until sharif lost his position Khalaf, alle ku garowsiiyey taa, goormaan soo bandhigay taa!

Paragon, lol! Oo miyaadan war heyn? Goormaa lagu yidhi war Afgaduudow lays cafiye magaalada soo gal? Isaga diiday waxuuna la diiduu haystaa!

Originally posted by Che-Guevara: quote: Afgaduud Kismaayo danbe waa uga xaaraan That sounds very intolerant! The man, it seems, came to avenge Morgan, so it is only fair he goes the way Morgan went! If he renounces his trouble-mongering behavior I am sure no one will bat an eye to his being in Kismaayo. However, in his attack on the reer Gedo hotels and businesses he killed young men whose families will not settle for anything but revenge.

Originally posted by Paragon: Dhanka kale, afhayeenka ayaa sheegay inuu xiriir la soo sameeyey Raisul Wasaare Cali Maxamed Geedi oo raali gelin ka bixiyey hadaladii uu ka sheegay saxaafadda, hadalkiisan si khalad ah loo fasirtay. Afhayeenka ayaa waxaa kale uu sheegay in Raisul Wasaaraha uu sheegay inay dowladdu ay wadi doonto dadaalka ay wadaan oo ay doonayaan in wax looga qabto colaadaha ka aloosan. So Gheedi apologized after all? It took long enough! Libaax- That is my preliminary source from Kismaayo itself. In fact, no one in Kismaayo had heard a word of the incident when I called. It was after I read some reports and called again to see what is going on that they investigated and found out that an ambush ordered by Afgaduud had occured. Afgaduud Kismaayo danbe waa uga xaaraan waa Al Qaacida iyo Isbahaysigii Dooxada Jubba gabaad waligii haka dhigtee!

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Originally posted by Paragon: ^^So N/AA, Simbanews is close to the truth? I am too busy to find out what the complete story is but there have also been tensions in that area for a while now after a clan militia led by Afgaduud were defeated by reer Dhoobley a month ago. He masked it in the name of "terrorism" but it was control for charcoal exportation. Suffice to say he never went back there again.

Paragon- A handful of men from the Gedo clan already present in that area were ambushed. It is why the Puntland sources are over doing themselves in propaganda. Probably they assumed they can claim they repelled an attack from the Gedo clan as well as show the Gedo clan to be against the peace. Why would the Gedo clan carry out attack when they are hosting the TFG envoy and have come to an agreement based on peace and reconciliation? Also, it is interesting the level of attention and insight the Puntland sources are devoting to his when they were virtually quit about the more news-breaking events that occurred in Kismaayo itself recently.

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^Morgan has done nothing wrong here, he is sitting next to il-President. From all accounts he has retired from politics. Let's hope so.

Originally posted by Xoogsade: Indeed, this is a man(Morgan) my own mother attended his mother's funeral in Muqdisho. I am surprised he is working with criminal A/Y who has more blood in his hands now than when he was the warlord-elect languishing in Baydhabo and Jowhar. I used to defend Morgan assuming he changed. I see I am proven wrong. If he had any conscience, he wouldn't sit with A/Y knowing the dead that is rotting in Muqdisho, the thousands upon the thousands of the displaced, are the same people who protected him, who returned his property to him, who gave him safety and security when his own clansmen wanted him dead, they are are the the victims of the same man he sits next to. He didn't say a single word on the radio promoting peace on behalf of these victims who did much good for him. Just shows how deeply corrupt the man is. Indeed, the TFG is nothing but criminals inc. It reflects poorly on the former soldier who already had bad reputation for massacring other somalis, and who was alleged to have repented. I remember responding cynically when Libaax-Sankataabte brought an article about Morgan's "change" a while ago. Morgan is the most opportunistic public Somali figure and will change spots quickly for the next best feed. Let the Ethiopians leave or even a minor setback occur, I do not expect anything from Morgan other then to lead the "patriot's war" against the TFG. I am surprised at Abdullahi though. Is that clan that short of qualified military men with name that he hangs on to yesterday's disowned? As for Morgan; the man is wanted everywhere from Somaliland to Kismaayo and now he stabs in the back the people who accepted him and gave him shelter when disowned from Puntland. Taking into consideration Somalia's temporary and fluid politics, pray where will Morgan find his next shelter from :confused:

Jimcaale- Everything you have said is correct sir except that I was a supporter of the JVA or approved of it. JVA or Indhacade had importance in your eyes, adeer, because it helped you mask the embarrassing run-a-rounds of one adeer Morgan after every interval or so! Let us say it was convenient for you in petty cyber discussions even when it might not have mattered elsewhere. Getting sensitive on me won't hide the hidden anger and enmity blazing from you and other individual in need of my pity. One actually said "why don't they align with the muqaawama" as if he is holding a pot of gold for the people of Kismaayo. If one is so fundamental in his beliefs and so honest in his intentions why does one not join those whom one deems as muqaawamo? Does one not know "I was in the West" will not suffice in aakhiro for not taking part in the rightous cause (as one believes it could be)? As for you Jimcaale, you said this and I could not help but ponder just how much you actually want to see the spilling of the beel's blood in Kismaayo: Rumor has it Af-gaduud is planning a mighty return. Odayaasha meel fogeey wax ka arkaan. Fadlan update me on the rumour, xaaladu waa sidee?

That is a simpleton's approach to looking at the issue. Granted most of the militias on Afgaduus side were his clan and most of the militias that fought against them were another but there are still some gray shades that would not exist if it was a pure clan war as you and another individual have been propagating. Waxaadna tihiin dadka ku haya intay ilkaaha cadeeyen "oo mey muqaawamo isku wacaan oo xaqa racaan" oo goormaad xaq iyo baadil kala taqaaniin? Cuqdada iyo xasaarada dadka qaarkood ku jirto intaa un waxay raadinayaan in Kismaayo iyo raga jooga afarta geesood laga soo galoo magaalada dhulka la dhigo lana rusheeyane hadii la doono. Cudurka idin ku jiro u buka yaan alle idinkaga barye ee xaashaalilaahi hadayan idin suuroowin. :cool: Oo adiguna sow maad ahayn kii ye "rumour has it Afgaduud is coming back with fireworks". Waa badan ayaad shaati diimeed xirneed adiguna lakin waa alle mahadiis inaad shaatiga iska bixisaa.

Jimcaale I don't think that I ever told you that you remind me of news hungry market women who pinch and wink at other women when people are talking to them...

Duke, you are brimming with confidence. Adeer, none can take on a peacock at its most proud so I will leave you alone since there isn't an argument at all.

Che, why come back to a city you will need to have bodyguards covering every every single inch of you every time you walk outside?

Duke, I do not understand Duke, I really do not. The title says "Kismayu: TFG get all it wants". What were the people in question withholding or refuse to give to begin with? While the fiasco was unfolding and some commentators were speaking of hearsey, did I not say this is nothing but a popular uprising towards Afgaduud? Nothing else, nothing more? That Afgaduud went because he had reason to go but the mayor did not leave because he had no reason to fear for his life? Did the people in question not say from the outset the captured weapons would be turned over to the TFG Defense Ministry? I mean I do not understand, what did the TFG ask that the people in question had not already offer? Che Guevera, Duke's only kinsman is the one whom he deems is not carrying arms towards Abdullahi Yusuf. He has no other kinsman, it is why his kinsmen keep fluctuating. Mar waa Hussein Aydiid, marna maaha. Marna waa Qeybdiid, marna maaha.

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^I am not a member of the TFG. Libax, The Kismayu issue is one of neglect and over conidance as well as some deceit on the part of some people. 1. Most of the TFG army left the city a few weeks back, most went on to Mogadishu, Baidoa and other parts of the Juba's. 2. A few days ago the governor of the lower Juba left the city on a working visit to Afmadow and Dhoobley he took the remaining bulk of the forces. 3. The TFG created a palamilitary forces of 100 to support the police in tackling the armed groups of the city. When the clashes started some of these groups supported their clan millitia and this is the reason Afgaduud took his troops to the outskirts of the city. Now the troops are coming back from all quarters, those in Afmadow, Baidoa and some even from Mogadishu. They neglected Kismayu and that was a mistake, I doubt it will happen again though. Duke cut the spin. Your childish regurgitation does not work here. No one left the city but the governor knew to run as soon as Afgaduud was taken out because of the way he has been acting. The appointed mayor had no reason to run because he had no reason to fear. Afgaduud, Ilayaas Badal, Koojaar and other qashin did because when push came to shove, action spoke louder then words. Do tell us here why Abdulahi Yusuf did not succeed in having Ethiopians sent to Kismaayo as he asked for? Also, do tell us why it was the Ethiopians themselves who asked Isaak Biixi to go there and calm the situation? Do tell us also the reason Isaak Biixi's visit was masked as a "TFG" one by Yusuf and Gheedi to not make the TFG look irrelevant? If I remember correctly it was you that said "there is a force headed from Baidoa right now". Neglect and deceit ku ye. Ninyaho waxaad u baratay inaad meel aad doontid propaganda la timaadide meelaha qaarkood ha moodin in layska oran karo waxaadu doontaa.

Wararkii Ugu Dambeeyey Iyo Wafdigii Dowladda Ee Soo Gaaray Magaalada Kismaayo Apr 25,2007 by Kismaayo-GEDO-NN Wararka hordhaca oo ka soo baxaya shirkii nabadeynta colaadaha magaalada Kismaayo ayaa lagu sheegay in wafdiga dowladda federaalka Soomaliya oo uu hormuudka ka yahay wasiirka arrimaha gudaha Maxamed Maxamuud Gacmadheere lagu saari doono guddi dhexdhexaad ah oo aheyn beelaha ******* oo ayagu dhageysan doono, baaritaanna ku sameyn doono waxyaabahii dhaliyey iska horimaadkii ka dhacay magaalada Kismaayo. Wafdiga oo galabta soo gaaray magaalada Kismaayo ayaa caawa fadhigooda ugu horeeya la yeelan doono mid ka beelaha magaalada ku sugan oo ay marka hore dhageysan doonaan waxyaabaha ay tabanayaan dhankooda kadibna ay beelaha kale ******* ayaguna ay la yeelan doonaan kulmo kale duwan oo ay dhankooda dhageysan doonaan. Xildhibaan Cabdirizaq ***** Biixi oo goor dhoweyd u waramayey Gedonet asaga oo ku sugan hoteelka uu degan yahay ayaa sheegay in xildhibaanada beelaha ******* oo uu tiradooda ku sheegay afar xildhibaan oo ka soo raacay wafdiga magaalada Baydhabo inay ayagu ay xiriirin doonaan beelahooda iyo guddiga dhexdhexaadinta oo dhamaan lawado dhageysan doono waxyaabaha lakala tabanayo oo dagaalkii magaalada Kismaayo ka dhacay dhaliyey iyo sidii mustaqbal looga hortagi lahaa in iska horimaadkaasoo kale uusan ka dhicin magaalada Kismaayo. Dhanka kale, Nabadoon Cabdi Warsame Gurux oo u waramayey Gedonet ayaa sheegay inay dhankooda ay diyaariyeen oo iska xuleen guddi la xaajooda wafdiga dowladda federaalka Soomaliya oo ay dhankooda diyaar u yihiin inay doonayaan in la soo afjaro colaadaha ka aloosan magaalada Kismaayo. Wararka uga dambeeya shirarka wafdiga iyo beelaha magaalada Kismaayo..Halkan kale soco. GEDO-NN-Kismaayo News Desk

Wafdi Ka Socda Dowladda Federaalka Oo Soo Gaaray Magaalada Kismaayo Apr 25,2007 by Kismaayo-GEDO-NN Wafdi balaaran oo ka kooban wasiiro iyo xildhibaano oo ay hogaaminayaan Wasiirka arrimaha gudaha Maxamed Maxamuud Guleed (Gacmo-dheere) iyo Col.Xildhibaan Cabdirisaaq ***** Biixi ayaa soo gaaray maanta magaalada Kismaayo. Wafdigan oo qeybtiisii hore ka yimaadeen dhanka magaalda Muqdisho ayaa soo marey magaalda Baydhabo oo oo xubnaha baarlamaanku ka soo raaceen. Wafdigan oo isla maantaba soo gaaray magaalada Kismaayo ayaa aad loogu soo dhaweeyay halkaas ayagoo gudo galay wadahadalo ay la leeyihiin xoogaga gacanta ku haya magaalada iyo duqayda beelaha Kismaayo. Hawsha wafdigani maahan mid qeexan ama la shaaciyay,lamana garanayo heerka ay gaarsiisan tahay awooda ay u leeyihiin inay xaliyaan arrinta maamulka ee saldhiga u ah khilaafka Kismaayo. Dhanka kale Saraakiishii ciidamada dowladda ee ayagu ka baxay magaalada Kismaayo kadib isku dhicii hubaysnaa ee maalin ka hor dhacay ayaa lagu soo waramayaa inay gaareen magaalda Jilib ayagoo kusii jeeda dhanka magaalda Muqdisho. Magaalada Kismaayo ayaa mudadan danbaba uu ka taagnaa muran iyo cabasho ku aadan maamulkii uu wareegtada ku soo magacaabay Madaxweynaha DFKG Cabdulahi Yusuf Axmed. Magaalda Kismaayo ayaa waqtigii ugu dheeraa waxaa gacanta ku hayay Isbahaysigii Dooxada Jubba ee uu hogaaminayay Col. Barre Aadan Shire (Barre Hiiraale) oo ah iminka Wasiirka Gaashaan-dhiga ee DFKG. GEDO-NN-Kismaayo News Desk

He is rather a tough young lad I would say but then again, sadly he is a product of his environment.

Maxuu Jacaylbaro arki jiray Soomaalidu kale arki jirin? I am more surprised about JB's false and completely fabricated description of Somalia then anything else written here!

Muslim women glad Hirsi Ali quit Netherlands By Alexandra Hudson 17 minutes ago AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - For three years Somali-born Ayaan Hirsi Ali galvanized Dutch society with a frank account of her traumatic past and her conviction that Islam is a violent, misogynous religion. That conviction led to death threats, the murder of her associate, filmmaker Theo van Gogh and, her critics say, the alienation of precisely those she aimed to engage as relations between Muslims and non-Muslims deteriorated as never before. Now almost a year since the former Dutch parliamentarian hit headlines worldwide for admitting she lied to gain asylum in the Netherlands, many of the Dutch-Muslim women Hirsi Ali sought to stir and inspire state bluntly they are relieved she is gone. The 37-year-old now works for a U.S. think-tank, while her international profile as an ex-Muslim critic of Islam soars. "I am glad that Ayaan Hirsi Ali is gone, because now the tone has softened, it has become less extreme and tensions have eased," said Nermin Altintas, who runs an education centre for migrant women. Hirsi Ali is held responsible by many in the Muslim community for "Islamising" the Netherlands' migrants, polarizing communities and diverting attention from those trying to boost integration in what they see as a more constructive approach. "Let her call one woman forward and show how she really helped her," said Famile Arslan, a 35-year-old family lawyer. "We worked for 10, 15, 20 years to help emancipate Muslim women... and she stole the respect we should have had as grass- roots movements working for change." POLARISING FORCE In the Netherlands, where the majority of the country's 1 million Muslims are of Moroccan or Turkish background, some of Hirsi Ali's pronouncements on Islam met astonishment. "Her statements on Islam were very harsh. I have a completely different experience of Islam... as I come from a Turkish cultural background," said Altintas. Hirsi Ali caused uproar by calling Islam "backward," and by branding the prophet Mohammad a pedophile and a tyrant. However, it was the film "Submission" she wrote for Dutch television which most provoked. In the short film, an actress whose naked body is covered with a thin veil appeals to God about the violence she believes she must endure in his name, while in other scenes naked women cower with texts from the Koran inscribed on their bodies. "If she wanted to campaign against violence against women then she shouldn't have written the Koran text on the body, because that was offensive to many of the religious women she claimed she was trying to help," said Altintas. "Her methods were such that rather than attracting Muslim women she pushed them away... She polarized things," said 19-year-old student Suzan Yucel from Eindhoven. The film's director Theo van Gogh was gunned down on an Amsterdam street in 2004 by a Dutch-Moroccan, who stabbed a note to his body addressed to Hirsi Ali warning she would be next. The Dutch watched in disbelief as their country, once prized as a liberal, multicultural model, slid into a mood of mutual hostility and tit-for-tat attacks on mosques and churches. CULTURE OR RELIGION? "I was restricted by male macho culture, and my migrant background... but you cannot use Islam as an excuse," said Arslan, whose parents from eastern Turkey were illiterate. "I have a very positive experience of Islam." Yucel agreed that Hirsi Ali ascribes problems to Islam which have other, more complex roots. "Islam is interpreted by people and in Turkey the interpretation is very different from Somalia... Culture and religion got mixed up with Hirsi Ali," she said. Hirsi Ali arrived in the Netherlands from Kenya in 1992, unable to speak a word of Dutch and having fled an arranged marriage and abusive family who had her circumcised as a child. She took odd jobs, studied Dutch, and began work as a translator for asylum seekers before studying political science and working as a political researcher. In 2003 she entered parliament for the VVD (Liberals), while at the same time her graceful looks, soft voice and compelling vulnerability made her a media star. Last year Hirsi Ali admitted to lying to win asylum in the Netherlands after it emerged that she had arrived in the country via Germany, but said her party knew of the deception. The ensuing row saw the then immigration minister threaten to strip her of her Dutch citizenship, and a small party left the coalition in protest, bringing down the government. WHAT NOW? After resigning as a Dutch parliamentarian in May 2006, Hirsi Ali stated: "I am going away, but the questions remain. The questions about the future of Islam in our country, the suppression of women in Islamic culture and the integration of the many Muslims in the West." Yucel, who with other young Muslims runs a website called "We are staying here" (www.wijblijvenhier.nl), says she and her cohorts are examining the same issues but, unlike Hirsi Ali, with a view to diffusing tension and staying. The former politician has been the subject of lively debates on the site, with some bloggers saying she deserves respect for exposing phony tolerance in the Netherlands, and daring to speak her mind despite the death threats. But the dominant sentiment is relief that she has left the Dutch public arena. While some are hopeful that a new centrist Dutch government with the country's first Muslim ministers might usher in a more supportive climate, Yucel points out that anti-immigration politician Geert Wilders, who broke away from the VVD Liberals to found an independent party, made big gains. Wilders, also subject to death threats, said recently Dutch Muslims must throw away half the Koran if they want to stay. But Yucel says she is optimistic for the long-term, and proud to be a Dutch-Muslim who is free to wear a headscarf in places she would not be able to in Turkey. "The Muslim community here will change... This is still a new environment and we have to get used to it."

Originally posted by Che-Guevara: When did you change teams Horn? Che, is everything so simplistic with you, so black and white? Even if someone supports governance, law, and order and believes the TFG has the best institutions to see about that result that, that individual must be with that TFG in every single thing? Must I support what is going on in Mogadishu just because I do support the TFG? I do not know what you mean by teams, but I do see the TFG as having the potential to bring back the state. It is capable of having the necessary institutions but no I do not support what is going on in Mogadishu, nor have ever given reason for you and anyone else to think so, and in fact I have spoken out about it numerous times if you cared to remember. Anigu hay moodin dad intay meesha soo galaan qabaa'ilkooda iyagoo u doodaya iska dhigaan inay dawlad iyo diin uu doodayaan ama kuwa kaloo wax kasto ee dawladu samayse raacdo sabatoo iyadu ah adeerkood baa xukumo ama kuwo seddexaad oo xiniinya aanun u lahayn inay mawqifkooda cad sheegaan ee la jaan qaado wax walba ay moodaan inay siinayso popularity vote...