Baashi I think it is about time you went back to that city and see the reality. Enforcing an air of neutrality and completely twisting the root cause of the problem will not work for you adeer. There has been life in Kismaayo ever since 1978 when the city was inhabited by few locals and the airlifted victims of the Dabodheer drought. This is more like your previous caught-red-handed ICU vs. TFG analyzation but only this time you deem yourself a real part of the equation. That's the effect clan has on most. Boowe, yaad iska gadaysaa? Emporer- Who do you think has the most to gain from this stunt?

Emporer- It was not meant for you adeer, it was meant for Abdi_xaafid.

Only in Somali circles will someone come with the "maamul" of Col Afgaduud (a military commander) is opposed by Cumar Sandheere (the Deputy Governor of Lower Jubba Region). War walle anigu meeshan waan fara dhaqday!

Emporer- Why would the governor refuse to come to the city when asked by the Interior Minister of the transitional government who told him reer Gedo have fulfilled their side of deal? Sxb, reer Puntland are looking for something and I am afraid it is that they will get. Dagaal waligeed ayuu dhici jiray, haduu haatan dhacana dee un qolo baa gacan sarayn. That is something we know so until that time happens, tone down the unnecessary predictions. p.s. Will Puntlandpost's writers write this in Puntlandpost: Xildhibaanku wuxuu dhanka kale, sheegay in Taliyaha guutada koowaad ee Ciidammada xoogga dalka Soomaaliyeed C/risaaq Afguduud uu u soo raacayo guddiga dhanka Magaalada Muqdisho, isagoo sheegay inuu dib ugu laaban doono Kismaayo. "C/risaaq Afguduud wuxuu ku shaqeyn doonaa awaamiirta Dowladda, mana dhacayso inuu ku shaqeeyo amar isaga uu jeebkiisa kala soo baxay, arrintaasna waa middii aan ku tagnay Kismaayo" ayuu yiri Wasiirka Warfaafinta Soomaaliya Madoobe Nuunoow Maxamed oo ka mid ah guddigii wasiirrada ahaa ee halkaas loo diray. Maxamed Xuseen Jantiile Wakiilka Puntlandpost - Mogadishu Source and write what you have posted now in "Kismaayopost"?

Emporer- Afka ayaa ku cuncunayey sow maaha adeer? Rageedi iga dheh, is difaac yaan lagugu hor muruq sheegane. As for the rest of the men; Kismaayo debates have become extremely unproductive. We have all become part of the problem rather than looking for solutions so let us wash our hands from debates of this nature and try to uphold civility, respect, and honest discourse. If I have offended any of you, accept my apologies and for those I am liable of offending in the future, accept my apologies in advance! Intaa hayga ahaato sxbyaal.

Che- If Allah is my Alle, I did not have you in mind nor thought you would suspect I would be talking about you. In fact, this is the first time it has even crossed my mind you would take it as if I was speaking about you. Believe it or not I honestly think you are one of the more real individuals around here and for that you have my respect and have had it for as long as I can remember.

Che- I would classify this thread as "dood-gone-wrong" marka adeer adna la aayar buruskaad sidatid. I am out ragow, wasallam!

Lol @ Hiiraale! Midba markaan wax yar ku iraahdo Hiiraale ayuu iga dabo keenaa. Anyways sxb, I am done exercising my fingers. Kismaayo warkeedaba meel iga dhig, waxii ka imaado waan arki doonaa.

Like it or not Gheedi apologized. It is known throughout the land, but I am not surprised at you, it would need to be on AllPuntland's front screen before you even hear of it. Why do you think Gacmadheere is in Kismaayo? And I reiterate this knowing sensitive you could become from it... Originally posted by N/AA: As for Gheedi and Abdullahi, if the Ethiopians tell them to jump they men touch the sky. Who has any worry of them when you can communicate with the real powerbrokers?

No saxib only one clan is trying to take over a city. No one is is bothered the whole admin, and commanders of the troops are on one side. Duke, the people out of the city are the Timajilic, Gaboose, and Afgaduud who are all one greater clan whereas the men in the city such as the airport commissioner, the seaport commissioner, the police commissioner, the deputy governor of the region are from one greater clan. I do not know how one group can be accused of clannism when the TFG itself broke up into clan. As for you, the childishness has no bounds! What do you gain from using abstract statements to make a case? As for Gheedi and Abdullahi, if the Ethiopians tell them to jump they men touch the sky. Who has any worry of them when you can communicate with the real powerbrokers?

Originally posted by General Duke: I checked your bible Gedonet all they have is this.. http://www.gedonet.com/index.php?news=1367 "Gedi is the problem to solving the issue" Also here is the governor http://www.radiogarowe.com/ Duke, Gedonet has had follow reporting. Maybe it escapes you? Dhanka kale, afhayeenka ayaa sheegay inuu xiriir la soo sameeyey Raisul Wasaare Cali Maxamed Geedi oo raali gelin ka bixiyey hadaladii uu ka sheegay saxaafadda, hadalkiisan si khalad ah loo fasirtay. Afhayeenka ayaa waxaa kale uu sheegay in Raisul Wasaaraha uu sheegay inay dowladdu ay wadi doonto dadaalka ay wadaan oo ay doonayaan in wax looga qabto colaadaha ka aloosan. Gedonet

Duke- Why should Hiiraale, the Ugaas or anyone else need to comment? This is a TFG affair and the TFG Interior Minister is there to sort out the rift. This is not a clan affair, perhaps that is what you want it to be?

I very well understood you could not bring a valid response even though it seems to me as if you are responding to Paragon (and maybe also Che) more then anyone else. 1. The supposed prime minister has apologized and admitted this was not a clan vs. clan, or clan vs. TFG, but TFG vs. TFG. 2. Ethiopia has refused to fight in Kismaayo to carry out cowardly individual's clannish fight. Wax badan waad ciyayowdaye, everyone, including the supposed prime minister, understands what happened to have been a TFG vs. TFG affair. Everthing else waxii lakala dheefee la arki. :cool: Better luck next time Smithy!

Originally posted by Axmad_Gurey: Gheedi needs to learn a new word besides "al-qaeda" and he apologized to hiiraales kin for making such idiotic and childish statements. Dhanka kale, afhayeenka ayaa sheegay inuu xiriir la soo sameeyey Raisul Wasaare Cali Maxamed Geedi oo raali gelin ka bixiyey hadaladii uu ka sheegay saxaafadda, hadalkiisan si khalad ah loo fasirtay. Afhayeenka ayaa waxaa kale uu sheegay in Raisul Wasaaraha uu sheegay inay dowladdu ay wadi doonto dadaalka ay wadaan oo ay doonayaan in wax looga qabto colaadaha ka aloosan. Source

Duke- Gheedi told Hassan Dheere to bring together the representatives of the clan and after Hassan Dheere had done so, Gheedi called again and apologized for labeling the reer Gedo as terrorists. According to him, it came out wrong and understands the fight in Kismaayo was between the TFG itself. Also, as Ahmed Gurey has said the port commissioner, the airport commissioner, the police, the deputy-governor of the region are all in Kismaayo and they are members of the TFG and the men in control of Kismaayo now are TFG soldiers who belonging to the 3rd Division. It wasn't a clan fight that occurred, it was a fight between the TFG itself. As usual, you seem to be clueless about everything but we await. Ahmed-Gurey- How will Duke play the TFG card now to hide his clan objectives?

Originally posted by Khalaf: MMA wa isku xaarthay. My simple statement made u go off on tantrum and insulting my person? I didn’t insult u man, only made a statement in which several senior nomads here have made to u before, if it is inaccurate all u had to do was tell me so, I would’ve apologized, u can even see the question mark I had....nothing more ninyahow, u didn’t have to insult me or make the topic personal. U are the moderator here man, u seem to forget that a lot, people were banned many of them new members with lack of experience as u have- for insulting others and making topics personal, yet u cant follow the same rules of this site which gave u the authority to implement its golden rules.... ...sxb about my statement many senior nomads have confronted u about Shariif Xasaan for qabyalat reasons, also supported the Ethiopian intervention in badio (RNS?) ect, u never confronted those senior nomads but in turn confront young Khalaf who doesn’t know u as well as they do from previous exchanges. Bal maxa...hmmm? Afkaada caano lagu qub!

Duke- Your childishness has no bounds! As for who is at where, war jiraaba cakaarahuu iman! Afgaduud baa Kismaayo soo galay ku faanay? What was holding him back? Was the TFG envoy not told he can back now that he learned his lesson? Was he not the one saying there are terrorists in Kismaayo he cannot go back to in order to have the Ethiopians invade Kismaayo? Meeye sababtuu Buulogaduud isku nabyeye? Do you not understand it was to have the Ethiopians invade Kismaayo for him?

Originally posted by Caamir: As I was told, Afgaduud has been ordered to remain at the outskirt until other peaceful alternatives are exhausted. So is it not prudent to handover the weapons, surrender the culprits, and genuinely support the government without resorting to a mindless conflict in a remote region. Asalamu Calaykum. [/QB] Bless your innocence adeer.

Pity it the JVA does not exist, otherwise it would have been Indhacade who chased Afgaduud out right Smithy? Kolayba sxb, reer waa rag markay warka soo bandhigaan. All I know is Ethiopians will not be used against anyone in this case.

Duke- Let's clear couple of things shall we? (1.) After the civil war, the inhabitants of Mogadishu from Hiiraale's camp had Gedo to go to but it is a well known fact that most of the internally displaced people of Morgan's camp had no place to go so they went to Kismaayo. Your clan was a soo galayti and prior to that internal refugees airlifted by Siad Barre from the afflicted Nugaal, Mudug, and Bari areas during the Dabo-Dheer drought. You have no business to claim the place to begin with when it was only a matter of chance that you were there in the first place. Morgan did not capture Kismaayo. Why do you see the need to come here and make it seem as if Morgan was in Garowe and it was reer Garowe who gave him the power to be there? It was the SNF that placed Morgan in Kismaayo and it was the SNF that evicted Morgan from Kismaayo. Period. Don't make Morgan or your clan into what they are not. As for the JVA, sxb it is convenient for your clansmen to hang onto that loose change. I am not going to sit here and tell you an equal force evicted Morgan when the whole world knows a section of the men took him out at a time when they were in the middle of numerous clan based defenses and a war raging between them and Ethiopia in Gedo region. JVA only came to be after the other group took over control over the Shabeele's from Hussein Aydiid and foresight ordered signing peace with the most powerful. Prior to that it did not exist and the SNF was still in control over Kismaayo and the Jubba Valley. I do not see the need to even write this small description of the situation other then being simply tired of men who picked a fight they could not fight and continuing to make excuse for it afterwards. JVA alliance was a strategic alliance put in place to curb violence between two of the sections who most fought for the respective groups they represented. Kismaayo's holding did not depend on it. Why should reer Gedo still have had a problem with the opposing camp when the group they defended tried to abuse them through power they gave gave them? Kismaayo did not depend on the JVA being in place, but the general connection of reconciliation between the two groups depended on it. Why in the world would anyone have had a need of a supporting force against a man you made and told to leave with couple of misguided young men when the more heavily armed ones, just fresh from Puntland have been expelled within two hours? As for Indhacade, if I remember correctly the man speaking in the name of the Islamic Courts Union said "talada Kismaayo kama go'no Abdullahi Yusuf iyo Barre Hiiraale"? Sxb smell the coffee sheeko raqiis ahine mar danbe hayla imaan.

Make sense for once Emporer!

Stop trying to show rose-colored lips around then. Scratch a little bit under the surface and you resort to "JVA is over". You were the same man bombarding the area with "Morgan did this" and "Morgan did that", when did you turn neutral :confused: Mise waa inta adeer laga soo horjeedin. Sxb the same man sitting in villa Somalia today was running around the desert yesterday. Waxii lakala roonaadaa lakala heli balse waxaan kuu sheegi waxii Gacmadheere iyo wafdigii waxa loo sheegey, cid hubkeeda dhigaysaane jirin! If your aspirations are reinforced today by a belief you can use Ethiopians against me, then tomorrow exists! Disarm Garoowe and Boosaaso first ama hadowdi yaa tol ahey lasoo qeylo-dhaanso.

Yarka Qaloocan, clan sentiment always holds sway is what I have said and you have proven me right. Out of anything was it the perceived diminishing of the clan's numbers in that area that woke you up from hibernation?

Duke- Save me the twisted and simple politics. You and your clansmen can argue with me all due and say Puntlanders are a good size of the Kismaayo population today but the reality is they are not. You cannot air a stance of impartiality when speaking about disarming Kismaayo's people when what you are really saying is you are disarming reer Gedo. Afgaduud is a government soldier, like you said, and the men with him are yesterday's unemployed free-lance militiamen who, before becoming government soldiers, were lolling around in Puntland's streets. How could you disarm your own soldiers that you employed as TFG troops? You cannot and using them to fill in the quota to make the disarmament of Kismaayo as "equal" and fair is simply not feasible. Disarm Garoowe and Boosaaso first young man. Win or lose, the TFG will be fought with if it ever tries to employ such a policy. Dad kale sheekadaas raqiiska ahi ka gad jaale! p.s Fans of TFG or not, clan sentiment always holds sway in Somali Affairs. Accept it or not but Garoweonline and Puntlandpost have been saying the same thing ever since. Pray who are they trying to scare or persuade for that matter.

Duke, the people of Kismaayo would rather fight and be defeated like the people of Mogadishu then willingly accept a clan to lord over them in the name of government. Why should the "sides" of Kismaayo be disarmed when there are hardly civilians of Puntland origins except exported "government soldiers"? Disarm Boosaaso and Garoowe first jaale! p.s. Garoweonline has been saying an army of immense magnitude had departed from Mogadishu and Baidoa ever since Afgaduud had been evicted.