Originally posted by The Duke: ^^^It has not happened yet, but I know who will be talking about massacres soon. :confused:

Duke- Duke meesha waa laysla kaftamayaa ee waala dhaamaa uumamka aakhiro inaad godka u gashid. Mise adigu kaftankaa kugu adag :confused:

Walle meesha balaa ka dhacday.

Duke, large sections of the beel who refused to fight for Hiiraale in the ICU fiasco are some of the most trigger-happy at the moment including ina Faarax Taano who paid off many a men to accept the ICU. There is difference between a divided campaign and a united one. Already the kibir is vanishing as soon as the Ethiopians broke hearts and the ousted groups are accepting peace talks.

China is a close relative of Yusuf's.

Duke iyo JVA baa kala bixi la, bal haloo kala garnaqo.

Duke, never heard of Gedoweb before and frankly after taking a quick look, it seems like a farce. I know what happened Duke, as do you probably. Cut the spin. Charcoal exporters clashed and one group took advantage of the divided lines to root out one of them. Nothing noble for both you and I to defend but the fight was greed motivated so the ambush seems even more despicable because of that fact. Who "invades" anywhere with only 10 me? Think logically Duke. Why release the prisoners after hearing Ethiopians are not waging war on anyone?

Originally posted by Paragon: Dhubad , I don't think reer Afmadow would take warnings as serious. Few geeljire attacks may not deter them from the big price that is Kismaayo. They have been waiting for this opportunity since 1988 sxb. If you ask me, I would say they would certainly take the risk. According to some of them, it may be worth it. How did I miss this? Paragon sxb you are basing everything on supposition and not fact. reer Afmadow are putting their weapons down and are getting ready to negotiate. Mark me on that!

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Jimcaale- Cidba marbay timid. Qaar haday dawladahii hore keenaan abaari dartood, kuwana iyagoo qax ah ay socdaan, dee kuwa kalena maantay socdaan. Ever heard of freedom of movement? The Jees vs. Morgan war was about the influx of Puntland IDP's escaping Mogadishu to Kismaayo and the resentment and feeling of invasion Afmadow/Dhoobley folks held. Even so, Jess's conduct was barbaric in nature, and the men who came and put a stop to it hailed from Gedo. Don't look at Morgan only to conclude a tribal makeup, everything else under him was Gedo-based. Now answer my question. Originally posted by N/AA: Jimcaale- Name one visit Indhacade has made to Kismaayo, the third largest city in the former Somalia and the Jewel of the South? One visit and we are all yours. Even though I know full well why you and the rest of Morgan's remnants are so fixated on connecting Kismaayo and Indhacade, tell me the recent history of that part. When was the JVA signed, who signed it, and when did Indhacade enter the politics of south Somalia?

Jimcaale- Name one visit Indhacade has made to Kismaayo, the third largest city in the former Somalia and the Jewel of the South? One visit and we are all yours. Even though I know full well why you and the rest of Morgan's remnants are so fixated on connecting Kismaayo and Indhacade, tell me the recent history of that part. When was the JVA signed, who signed it, and when did Indhacade enter the politics of south Somalia?

Paragon- Puntland afaaraha Kismaayo shaqo kuma leh. That has been proven by the fact that it was the SNF who put Morgan in Kismaayo and ejected him from it. In fact, aasaaski SRRC was based on this fact; that Puntland has no future say in Kismaayo nor anything south-related nor could they. 75% of Morgan's foot soldiers in his attempts to capture Kismaayo from the SNF were of RRA/SRRC stock. The petty maneuvering occurring at the moment is that of a hope bestowed on a single man by a foreign force. It is not a clan nor can his clan deserve to be equated into the discussion as if their worth in the discussion is important enough. The man can die anytime at any moment, including this exact time frame, and with that the nuisance will be cut short and everyone will relapse back to reality. Doodba meesha kama jirto. Majority rules, minority rights.

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: I thought waxee Maxkamadaha meesha ka dhigeen inay ku waano qaateen. Apparently not. According to Maxkamadaha, the governor of the city, airport commissioner, and police chief belonged to one people as they were the majority. Maskiin waa la yaqaan, kama foga meel ku qorantahay RRA ama dhulalka Bay iyo Bakool lasoo hadal qaadayo. Malaha markaan idhi Morgan cududa ciidankiisi waxay ku dhisnayd RRA/SRRC ayuu garowsaday inuu fikradiisa so dhiibtaa. The interesting thing is on one hand the said man says "reer Waamood are qofkii isaga/iyada ku dasheen" but on the other a whole clan is labelled as "reer Galgaduud should go back". Oo miyaanay rag ku dhalan magaaladaas, wax kale iska dhaafe, shan iyo tobankii sano lasoo dhaafay?

Kudhaa is not inhabited, it is a charcoal exportation port and the men who fought there were charcoal exporters. Puntland exporters took advantage of the divided lines to eliminate a reer Gedo exporter whose shares equal more then all of theirs. Normally I have zero tolerance for men who make profit from this despicable occupation but there was nothing noble about this ambush and massacre. It was purely greed motivated and one that has made sure enmity continues between the people of Kismaayo and the exported militias from Puntland. p.s. It was Afmadow elders who forced the freeing of the rest of the prisoners.

Originally posted by Paragon: ^^Wallee waa runtaa. Hada labada dibada jooga ee saaxiibada ah, berito markay wax isla waayaan iyagaa is hardiyi doona. Markaaseey labadoodu mid ka mid ah la heshiin doona kuwa gudaha ku jira . Its a classic yo-yo game - i jiid aan ku jiide. Unless a deal that divides the power of Kismaayo equally to these three sides is reached, the 'vicious circle' you have spoken of seems the inevetable outcome. Sidii roon rabbaa og. You cannot go three ways is if those three clans own Kismaayo equally or by themselves sxb. Puntlanders belong to Puntland and have no ties to Kismaayo, as do the people of Gedo, and so people of Afmadow. Whoever is the majority in Kismaayo will take over reigns. Majority rule, minority rights. As for Puntland itself, no one would be discussing their connection to this issue had not the president thought of sending his armed boys in an island they cannot get out of. Had the president not been Abdullahi Yusuf, who would be talking about Puntland fighting in Kismaayo when even the majority of Morgan's solders were of RRA/SRRC stock collected from Xuddur to Baydhaba? Their claim to the city is as citizens, not shareholders. Xaajadu waa sidaas maxaa been laysugu sheegi?

Duke- What happened to your boasts of days ago? Did I not say war jiraaba cakaarahuu iman? Allamagan- According to my sources, prospects of war is greatly diminishing. Ethiopians are not involved and the clan militias of the governor have spoken to him and told him fighting in Kismaayo will reverberate through the borders they share with reer Gedo and not Puntland. It is in their interest to keep the peace. As for Afgaduud and the boys he is misleading, waxii la haye raga lagama hagran. Ask Duke where the food Afgaduud's boys eat comes from and who brings it to them? Bilaash ayuu wiilasha yar u dulminayaa.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: I am sure when peace arrives it will appreciate and grow in value in many folds, and people will find no difficult living side by side in peace with dignity... Inshallah.

Soomaali maanta isma tiraahdo halkee ku dhalatay balse halkee ayuu aabahaa ku dashay. Jimcaale, the good wadaads of the ICU gave the mayor of the city, the police, and the airport commissioner to one group. Why would they have done that if they were not the majority? p.s. Also, keep in mind that it was the militias and the opportunists within the ICU people were against and not the call of Islam or the righteousness of various wadaads in the said entity. The reason why mayor and govrnership post did not go reer Gedo is because we have stabborn and unrealistic 1960-mentality-minded president. A most excellent response.

Baashi- Perhaps new lessons in reading comprehension is in order?

Great man Gacaliye was. He once went to a tribal town of his and was greeted by almost five hundred first cousins and the likes. He told them "may 10 of you be left who can read then 500 of you who can't".

Baashi- Abdullahi Yusufka ku sheekeeyo reer Puntlandow waxay ugu yaraataba Kismaayo un yaan gacantiina gelin yaad haatan lasoo shirtagtay reer hebel baa xaaraan meel ku degan iyo reer hebel baa xaaraan dhawranaysa? Massala weeyaan kuwaa gacmaha nadiifsanayo inay siday qalbiga mugdi ka yihiin! True, recently the Governor of the region proposed a "hanti soo celin" committee and announced he will evict inhabitants of government properties, buut this was weeks prior to the events that expulled Afgaduud and it was a problem within the regional administration. You see, even though you maybe unabashedly dishonest about the root cause of the present problem, why do you not at least give the whole insight as to why the governor's actions led to a regional administrative breakdown or that it was his vice governor that spoke against him then anyone else? Did the governor not name that committee without the consultation of anyone but his own sub-beel, did he not fill the positions of that committee with his own sub-beel to amazement and complete surprise of his own deputy? Even so, the vice-governor's objection of that was not based on allowing a continuing inhabitation of government properties but about what constitutes a system of governance in that area. On the other hand you cannot claim to be wearing a government shirt and at the same time dabbling in apparent clannism. Sheekadaad ka hadlaysid taa weeye adeer, mawaadan haatan sheegeyn inuu Afgaduud duulaan kusoo qaaday hotelka Meridian (Cascasey), mawaadan sheegeyn inuu duulaan kusoo qaaday hotelka Tawakal, iyo xaruma kale ee beelaha ku abtirsad Gedo ay leeyihiin? Hadaadan sheegeyn intaa adeer meesha waxba kuma hayside bal arrinta faraha kala dhaqo! P.s. Kismaaya laftigeeda iyo mushtamaca nolosheeda sida deegaanka, ganacsiga, iwm way macno la'aan adeer saa isku garaad tani kama nihinba, orad un meesha soo indha-indhay deetan soo yara laabo.

No I don't Yoonis/Sakhar but what you do well in is children's fictional genre. Duke, war jiraaba cakaarahuu imaan.

Baashi ma Horn daraadiis ayaad u amaani! Baashi can sell gold to a pessimistic blind woman if he wanted; that's the man's art. But that doesn't mean we will buy it adeer. How do you make of the fact that Hiiraale has numerously cleared out the occupied government facilities? Would he not have been the most sympathetic to his own group's plight if they were as disadvantaged as Baashi would like us to believe? The man outdid himself, brought memories back of the ICU vs. TFG analyzations. Duke- Mogadishu is a city of two million and ultimately the problems will not come from the guns buried in the backyards ( ) but by the very government soldiers and police you have so much confidence in. No one will support people that have bombed and massacred their people, but you can only go along until you see an opening.

Emporer- I would hate to point fingers when I do not know the facts so I will not. But logic tells you this kind of stunt benefits one group and is intended to harm the image of other. Perhaps it is a backtracking on the saber-rattling and a distress call for Ethiopia's aid ....

Lol @ ghost town! Duke, I do not see how Puntland will fare now that practically the whole Mogadishu affiliated clans are on revenge-mode and you are advocating war on the men who have always protected you.