Duke the SNF also occupied did what can be construed as an "occupation" of Gaalkacyo after the ouster of the USC. Why is this history being hidden or should I bring the articles from the early 90s? If you will dedicate a topic to the SNF exploit, you might as well do its legacy justice.

Goormaan adigu bravo kugu oran Duke-ow?

Cali Mahdi and Maxamed Dhere were some of the main heads of the USC. How is it possible that a section of the former USC (based on their clan) have become your modern-day heroes and another section (based on their clan) are being vilified even today and have whole pathetic (sums up the general feeling) threads dedicated to some of their negative exploits by your doing?

Shaarib was one of the men who welcomed the Islamic Courts to Kismaayo. At that time he was looking at the picture, in some ways, and was one of the men who tried his best to bridge the gap between his kinfolk in Kismaayo and the Islamic Courts. I do not know where he became a "militia leader". One would hope our "muqaawama" masqueraders would not humiliate themselves in such humorous manner. The man has been an important face within his clan ever since the first successful negotiation in the civil war when he persuaded Caydiid (alle hau naxariisto) to free 300 prisoners in Mogadishu and send them on a plan to Baardheere. Juje the media became confused up between two matters of Abdullahi Yusuf's put together show of "Lower Jubba meeting" where he invited 3 members each from 19 clans who supposedly live there and the national reconciliation conference. This specific clan has already endorsed the national reconciliation conference and plans to attend. Whether it is presided over by Abdullahi Yusuf or the devil himself, dialogue is never something to refuse. Wax walba waxaa sal u ah wada hadal.

Kismaayo sidee ku helee marka?

There is a cause and effect for everything, yes the SNF had a hand in the starvation by burning food crops however was it done without provocation or as a response to a provocation? Local R--------n militia at the time also committed atrocities against the regime's forces that were moving back and forth through the region Source 1991-1993 was a dog eat dog world, you were lucky if you were left alone in peace even as a neutral party. Deliberately acting against another group was to have the other group respond as forcefully as they could. It was period where people were fighting for survival. This is a well known fact and even so the SNF never occupied Baydhabo nor looted it. While no one can agree with the burning of the crops, what caused them to do it is understandable and anyone who chooses not to see it is their business. But that was all in that time of hell. What is surprising is how those people of Bay and Bakool origin are treated today, 2007, in Puntland where they have never fought in nor fought against. It is Puntland where the most gross violations against human rights has been taking place for a decade now. Who practices violations even other Somalis did not practice in the worst periods of the civil war, even those whom it affected the most? Who is it that profits out of cruelty? Of tying together innocent and despaired people's hands and dumping them in the ocean for a few Shilling Somali's worth? Unprovoked and unwarranted cruelty unseen in the face of this earth simply because of greed and profiting off of the few pensions of already destitute people? Who is it that tortures innocent and unarmed travelers in their regions? People who fight know the value of life, being saved at every turn and never fighting for survival seems to have made some groups forget the value of life. Rag u dhashay gobolka Bay oo tacadiyo Bani'aadanimada ka baxsan loogu geystay gobolka deegaano ka tirsab Gobolka Mudug Khamiis, 18 May 2006 (HOL): Wararka naga soo gaaraya magaalada Gaalkacyo ee xarunta gobolka Mudug ayaa sheegaya in degmada Bacaad weyn oo qiyaastii dhanka waqooyi kaga aadan Magalada Gaalkacyo 35 KM uu ka dhacay fal aad xun oo lagula kacay dhalinyaro ganacsato ah oo dhamaantod ka soo jeeda gobolka Bay. Dhalinaradan oo tiradoodu gaarayso ilaa 7 dhalinyaro ah ayaa lagu eedeeyey inay geesteen fal tuuganimo iyo xatooyo ah oo aysan geysan sida ay xaqiijiyeen dad goob joogayaal ah oo ku sugan halkaasi. Ragaani dhalinyarada ah ayaa loo geystay jir-dil iyadoo gacmaha iyo lugahaba laga jajabiyey, iyadoo kadibna sida ay sheegeen dhalinyarada qudhooda caag la dhalaaliyey dusha looga shubay. Sidoo kalena waxaa la sheegay in nimankani xiniinyaha laga bixiyey [inaa lilaahi waa inaa ilahay raajicuun]... Source And this is 2007 Somalis, not 1991 in the heat of the civil war.

Originally posted by Libaax-Sankataabte: Horn is back. I am most definitely not. I am going back to my section now. Waxaan la yaabay waxuu ninkaan daldalayey.

Originally posted by Libaax-Sankataabte: Mr Jacayl, I don't think any "informed" political junkie on this forum believes that half a million people died in the recent Mogadishu war. 1/2 a million deaths would mean half of Mogadishu is dead. That would wipe out a whole clan. Habaarka jooji waryaa. The anti-TFG Mogadishu elders have estimated the total deaths ( after the Shabaabs retreated ) to be around one thousand. One would expect that number itself to be "inflated" alittle for political reasons. Check SOL archives and you may find related news articles about the elders' estimate number. The shabaabs are well and kicking good out there. You have always seemed to hold to "political correctness" even when dishing your biased reporting. Mogadishu is burned sxb, thousands of been killed by the barrage of indiscriminate Ethiopian shelling of the city. A relative of mine just came back from the city after having searched for his mother and he said the city is dead. It is dead. Everything is lifeless except for the dozen or so areas cordoned off by hundreds of thousands of Ethiopian troops which also houses all the men you see on the press.

Originally posted by Emperor: ]N/AA you made a good point. However it's very sad that to this day and age you still seem to justify the mass murder that was commited by the SNF militia men, I believe there was mistreatment from some local members of Bay and Bakool against the fleeing people of Gedo but not enough to justify the killing of some half million people, the burning of plantations and the policy of extinction of generations... it wasn't about retaliation of one group against another as you want us believe but rather a sick plocy and well thought of plan employed by the USC/SNA and SNF militia's in Somalia. [/QB] What are you talking about?? This is not about what you "believe". :confused: What you "believe" has nothing to do with what is being discussed. That is what happened and that is truth and it has nothing to do with what you "believe" because those of us that went through it and saw are still alive. War ninyaho iska aamus. Ku ye "Employed by USC and SNF" as two most mortal opponents of the civil war were allies. Isn't the SNF the same organization that "freed" the Gaalkacyo you prize today after a thousand of your elders were gunned down by the supposed "allies" of the SNF. Why was not the SNF complicit in Gaalkacyo? Adeer Kismaayo baa waxaan kaa keentay, hana is daalin. You probably seem like a fool even to yourself.

Originally posted by roobleh: •impartiality and neutrality Doesn't surprise me that you were denied.

Originally posted by Northerner: Junior Urban Planner, Hargaisa, Somaliland Imaginary indeed In that link it clearly says that Hargeisa is a city inside of a region called Somaliland inside of a country named Somalia. Location country : Somalia Project Title : Somalia Urban Development Programme Urban Spatial Analysis of key cities in the three Somali regions [south/Center, Puntland, and Somaliland].

Jb, Siyaasada so fara gelin maayo kowdhe balse hadaan arko tariikh u baahan sifaalayn dee inta karaankayga ah waan sheegi.

In January 1991, Mogadishu was captured by USC, and Barre’s regime collapsed. However, this was not quite the end of this story. Barre’s forces maintained strongholds in the inter-riverine regions of the country for almost a year, during which they pursued a scorched earth policy, destroying the infrastructure and bringing agricultural production to a standstill. Because the Reewin were excluded from high ranks in the Somali army, the SDM, had no access to arms and lacked sufficient means to protect their people. There is some truth to this as well as somethings that were left out. "Barre's forces" or the SNF passed by Baydhabo and the Bay area twice on their way to Gedo. The first instance was when they fled Mogadishu with their families and livelihoods towards Gedo. They were not part of a military campaign this first, but were simply fleeing as civilians. The people of Bay and Baydhabo acted incredibly inhumane practicing such thing as dumping people in containers of hot oil, torturing, cutting limps, and many other indescribable things. I know this as two of my family members were caught by them and forced to die an agonizing death. The second instance was the regrouping in Gedo and marching back all the way to Afgooye. None had thought of the SPM of being a mole, but because they were, the SNF was defeated and was forced to retreat back to Gedo (this is where the USC would take over Gedo briefly before being ousted by Barre Hiiraale). In their retreat, this is where the SNF made sure the people of Bay did not act with them as they had acted the first time. It was a time of great sadness, anger, and frustration for all Somalis and particularly some groups. Even the crops of those groups were burned but they did not necessarily starve because their crops were burned, as Somalia has always been accustomed to drought. Aydiid had a lot to do with the starvation because he also prevented the international community from transporting food to them when he used the food as political tool. None of the things in the civil war were right including dumping fleeing people in containers of hot oil or burning their crops but in any case, present the complete story or don't present the story at all.

Originally posted by Nur: If Olmert had not been sitting so far away from Abbas, he could just as well have spat in his face. Taa sow kama darno midka isu haysan in calya lagu tufay?

The first July 1st I did not celebrate. Maxaynu u dabaal dagnaa?

Originally posted by AYOUB: ^^ Ammaa bacad... Intaa ka badan miyaad doonaysaa?

His job is done I guess. It is not a secret the only Ethiopian interest in Somalia is to never let one group get strong enough to reconstitute the state. I will not be surprised if he has a hand in the "insurgency" itself. Ethiopian objective in Somalia; keep Somalia in a bantustan state with highly paranoid mini quasi-states taking the place of a central administration.

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: The country is destroyed ,, ppl shouldn't start from the top. why building universities where there is not primary, intermediate and secondary schools ?? that would me more effective than an empty university ,,,,,, just my lil 2 cents ,,,,,,, J.B that is true, but in the case of Gedo there are plenty of primary/secondary and specially in Beled-Xaawo and other border cities, secondary school is not a problem because most of the students filling Mandeera secondary schools are from Gedo (my own nieces and nephews attend some of those schools). Even so there are plenty of other primary and secondary schools that are being built as evidenced here. After secondary schools, those students with outside support go on to Kenyan schools and those without support leave their education behind. This initiative is designed to combat both the brain drain as well as the financial concerns.

It is an on-going fundraise.

Ilaahay hau naxariisto yarkii ku geeriyooday, gacan ka xaq daran ayaa dishay

Thank you thierry, I will watch them inshallah.

I found this to be a very enjoyable documentary to watch so I hope the rest of you find it as enjoyable as I did inshallah. An Islamic History of Europe

A very appropriate topic for this part of the year, thanks Nur for bringing this! It reinforces what our values are and how we can stay true to them even under such an intense test.

Originally posted by -Lily-: What about all the sisters who wear their jilbabs, abayas and hijabs in the scortching heat? I have a lot of respect for them. I mean surely it has to be harder than just turning your bloody head. If it is humid, it probably is hard to wear the hijaab but in other occasions it might even be cooler to wear the hijaab considering it shelters the skin from the rays of the sun, which is the scorching heat you mention.

Akhyaartiinaan sharafta mudan ee qolkagan siyaasadaha soo buux dhaafiyo waa idin macsalaamaynayaa aan idin oranayana igumaad arki doontiin goobtaan, anigu halkaa iyo Islam section ayaan u baqooli inshallah. Dagaal heblaayo halkagan ka dhacday iyo qabiil fulaan baa shir yeeshay iyo waxaa la caynka ah waa arrinta ina baaba'isay haatana aan u kici la'nahay. War iimaankii yaa naga dhumayey bal alle aynu u wada waantowno, cafis aanuna waydiisano inta jeer aan colaad iyo dhibaato inaga nasoo garayn aan hurinay. Soomaaliya iyo ummadeedu dhibaataysane waxaan ugu rajaynayaa alle inuu masiibada habsatay ka qaado una naxariisto aayahooduna tuso siday uga tashadaan, qabyaaladuna alle hay inaga wada qaado ee an anigu laftayduba hoos galay. Aamiin aamiin alahayow. Waad salaaman tihiin akhyaaray