Here I bring historical documentation based on the first-person account and I am responded with a report based on the second person point of view. Outsiders do not understand our clan system nor can they understand the reasoning behind what their sources spew. The article our moderator brought is based on a second person point of view particularly with most of its sources hailing from Mandeera, presumably do to the mission's inability to travel largely within Gedo. In the article, most of the information is gleaned from an English speaker source whose position as "Coordinator for the Nomadic Primary Health Care Programme, Mandera" sufficed enough to make him credible to the Western eyes. Mandeera is a settled majority populated by two clans who are traditionally enemy clans of reer Gedo. We have only to choose between the two, bal adigu dooro! For example: but Abdishakur Othowai, Coordinator for the Nomadic Primary Health Care Programme, Mandera, did not think According to Abdishakur Othowai Abdishakur Othowai, Coordinator for the Nomadic Primary Health Care Programme, Mandera, however, took the view that Abdishakur Othowai nevertheless stated that bdishakur Othowai explained that bdishakur Othowai said that, before the civil war that clan being traditionally, according to Abdishakur Othowai Abdishakur Othowai was able to report that Abdishakur Othowai made it clear that Abdishakur Othowai regarded it could Abdishakur Othowai seen any Abdishakur Othowai explained that there Abdishakur Othowai reported examples of Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. Clearly one ought to be educated into the specifics of research and difference between first-person sources and second-person sources and etc. Then they tried to take the other side of the river, by crossing the river. This is where the larger conflict is now. Ilaahow internetka noo daa.

Naxar, Galti is around the year 1900 not 1980's. Here is a better and more descriptive account in the bottom half of this page. Page As for the Puntlanders, waa inta yaroo maanta Bilis Qooqaani iyo agagaarkaa dego.

More sources: An Italian account of the population of Oltre Jubba (Upper Jubba) n 1897. The Famous anti-colonialialist wars between reer Gedo and the British. More of the wars between reer Gedo and the British--1 More of the wars between reer Gedo and the British--2 Haye, bal ka daroo dibi dhal! [ August 03, 2007, 11:54 AM: Message edited by: HornAfrique ]

We will leave it to the audiences to decide which is what or which is fabricated history. The objective report of a foreign exploration team in 1913 or our friend Miskiin's fabricated history from clan sources. for the benefit of the audiences I bring my sources again: One Map Two Pic 1 Pic 2 I will let the fabricators of this deegaan's history to tell us who were those elected MPs? I would hope you read I.M Lewis's book the History of the Somalis, and see where the vote for the clan oriented colonial political party with the acronyms MU got its vote from. In the 1957 political elections, the MU's lone member in the parliament was from Luuq. At that time even Dhuusamareeb, whose governor was Xaaji Xaashi Gerri, the father of Siad Barre's wife Dalayad (AUN all of them), gave its votes to SYL while Luuq is what sent the MU to the parliament. This is in I.M Lewis' book the History of the Somalis. A little bit about the MU

Compelling. A quote from Raage: "The extraordinary fact is the seizure of the brothels, message parlors, police, etc is not even done by the men, it is the work of the women in the madrasa".

Naxar Nugaaleed, yes traditionally there were two great migrations. I would love to refer you to the blog on Gedonet but it seems as SOL will not let me. The first migrants are called the Guri and the second migrants are called the Galti. The Galti were the ones who left the late 1880's and early 1900's to help the Guri fight against the British. Also, the "claims" are only on the net as in those of the moderator of this section who says that group came in the 70's and 90's. I take it that earlier source I brought answers your questions?

Duke, that website that Gedonet refers one to has clan name so the website did not show up. Here are what I was referring you to in other topic that deals with this issue. One Map Two Pic 1 Pic 2 This is 1913.

Do not resort to your usual tactics when a topic has not gone the way you had hoped.

I have traveled throughout the region Duke. Fair enough, you want to ignore Gaalkacyo.....

Originally posted by The Duke: ^^^Wow, 90% of Gedo. The rest are 10%? Brother while I would take your word for it anything to back up those claims. Non Somali, maybe the UN would be great as back up. U.N has been non existent in Gedo, they are only coming back for the first time in 15 years. For example, Gedonet recently wrote about the MSF coming back to Baardheere for the first time since 1994 and this is Baardheere unlike Beled-Xaawo which is one of the areas that had been the most insecure. I hardly think anyone had the ability to do an estimation of Gedo's population base other than resorting to second sources. However, why have you avoided Gaalkacyo?

Originally posted by The Duke: ^^^So what is the percentage of the SNF in Gedo in your opinion? Anyhow thanks for trying. loooool. I would say close to 90% in the most sympathetic estimation towards the non-SNF clans in the region.

Originally posted by The Duke: [QB] ^^^Adeer I do like the attempt at an insult, nice try. You have explained the point here that the SNF is either at war with itself or external forces hence no time for development. I get that. Though either the SNF is devoit of any real leadership or just a crazy movement. You can further this argument for me as you are the local SNF rep. Duke, in times of war people do not think of the long-term repercussions of actions they deem necessary for their political (among other things) survival. By that, I am talking about Gen Cumar Xaaji's usage of Ethiopia when he felt Al Itihad was threatening his power base. Ultimately this single action is what internally fractured the sub-clan and led to much redundant inter-clan skirmishes until the Garbaharey Conference that curbed all division and healed the clan (notice no single noise has arisen from Gedo since then two years ago). Other than that, none of the problems in Gedo could have been prevented. The USC attempt at invasion was an action that required strong reaction. The war could not have prevented except for SNF surrender in the beginning. That Al Itihad would settle could not have been prevented, and that ultimately Ethiopia would invade could not have been prevented also (with or without Cumar Xaaji, they were drafting plans to go in). The only thing effective leadership could have prevented was the disunity of the clan which occurred as a result of Cumar Xaaji's actions. That is the only thing that could have been prevented and perhaps instability in Gedo would have been cut in 2001 (the year of the full Ethiopian withdraw from Gedo region) instead of 2005. However you also stated that the SNF is not alone in the region and that everyone lives there. Thus can you expand on the relationship between the SNF and everyone else. What is this relationship based on? Any agreements and the power sharing structure of the region? By that, I meant Gedo is not 100% SNF group, in the same Puntland is not 100% SDDF group, or Hargeisa is not 100% SNM group. However, no other groups are close to relative in size and scope enough to compete with the SNF. No other groups have administrations or factions outside of Gedo. For example, Abdullahi Yusuf is clearly your idol and you are the champion of TFG on here. Even based on the TFG administration, no one has any position in the named Gedo administration outside of the SNF group. As a result, majority rules, minority rights is the process by which Gedo is governed and it is apparent from the harmony that exists within the region. Gaalkacyo begs to be addressed however.

Dhubad, xaal bixi sxb, Balanbale beat Caabudwaaq which beat Dhuusamareb iyo Guri-Ceel iyo Beled-weyne iyo meelahaa kale.

Originally posted by The Duke: ^^^Adeer thanks for the explanation. Its the beggining. Gedo is unstable because of as you said USC, then Al-Itixad, then Ethiopia. Thats great. However what has happened since 1996? Its been 10 years, why the lack of progress? Adeer why have you not had a peace of equals such as in Galkacyu with the other clans? We all know the SNF controls Gedo through the gun, why have they not acknowledged the otehr clans of the region? Could this be the reason why things are not moving forward for this region, considering it has a small population already and then the majority is still under bondage. Your thoughts are important. Duke, I hate to be insulting but your simple comprehension skills as well as your less than suave attempts at insulting people when your argument is debased is showing through. For one, 1996 is the year Ethiopia invaded Gedo. Helicopter gunships and tanks may be new in Mogadishu but not in the streets of Beled-Xaawo, Luuq, Dollow, etc. Since that time, Gedo has witnessed some of the most longest and destructive warfare in Somalia. It was from then on, 1996, that all the battles that include the SNF, Al Itihad, and Ethiopia had taken place. You ask why the lack of progress, and I respond with why such simple reasoning? What progress in a war zone Duke? Who is willing to invest in anywhere like Gedo between 1991 to 2005? I do not know about you but certainly not I! You also speak of population when Puntland is one of the most sparsely populated areas in all of Somalia. Anyways, none of those clashes were between the SNF and other groups you deem as relative enough in size within the region to dedicate a topic to. All those clashes were between the SNF and external forces, or SNF within themselves divided along politico/religious lines as in the case of Al Itihad. Except for such internal wars or defense against external forces, complete harmony exists within the region. Why not your Gaalkacyo Duke?

Duke, you are will fully trying to change the topic. Maybe comprehension is in order? I have already mentioned Gedo's former chronic instability and all were between the Clan I hail from, the SNF group, and outside forces, except for some instances in which the battle lines were drawn within SNF according to political or religious reasons. Some of the fightings were SNF vs. USC, SNF vs. Al Itihad, Al Itihad vs. Ethiopia, Ethiopia vs. SNF, and SNF vs. SNF. There has never been fighting in Gedo between SNF clan and any clans that you deem as relative enough in size within the region to dedicate a topic to. If this specific topic was realistic why has there never been clashes between SNF clan and other clans who supposedly are a sizable majority/minority with in the region? Understand that the Ceel-Waaq occurrence in 2005 (15 years after the starting of the civil war) started in the NFD after one of the sub-clans of SNF (one of the most powerful in Beled-Xaawo area) was caught supplying one group in the NFD communities against another. The other group sought retribution. The first fighting occurred in Ceel-Waaq, Kenya but was stopped by the Kenyan authorities who forced the SNF sub-clan to retreat back to the border. Peace was signed and many of the fighters of the other group took advantage of the peace to infiltrate Ceel-Waaq, Somalia where they are a considerable minority and staged a surprise attack during the Garbaharey Conference. The fighting ultimately ended in their defeat but people continue to live side by side in peace in Ceelwaaq today. Do you see the segregation that Gaalkacyo is famous for? The fact that the people of Galkacyu made a peace of equals has resulted in this. Remmebr both Gen Aydeed & President Yusuf came from this city and to their supporters it holds a special symbolic value. This was no peace of equals. It was a cessation of hostilities so each could defeat internal groups that were threatening their power base. Abdullahi Yusuf faced the greatest competition of his chances to rule the SSDF clan from the seizure of Bari by the Al Itihad forces and Caydiid was demoralized and depleted from his defeat in Gedo and the competition he smelled from Cali Mahdi and that clans power within the USC.

Duke, you have not addressed the points. Gaalkacyo saw some of the least fighting in the civil war. Granted at a certain point Gaalkacyo saw heavy fighting, but Gaalkacyo nor any place in Puntland has ever witnessed the prolonged warefare that most places in Gedo have witnessed. For example, if I were to take Luuq and Beled-Xaawo and list some of the events those cities have been a host to, the SNF vs. USC would show up, the Al Itihad vs. SNF would show up, Ethiopia invasion and bombing as well as shellings against Al Itihad would show up, the SNF vs. Ethiopia would show up, as well as SNF vs. SNF at some points. Note, these are events that had taken place back to back throughout the civil war. Yet animosity is non existent and people live side by side in peace, whether as members of the specific clan I hail from or others. Why does Gaalkacyo, which did not witness prolonged fighting and has been peaceful throughout the civil war (to the point of garnering investment unlike unstable Gedo) segregate its masses in such a way? I cannot help but to continue to bring up the importance of this question as what can lead to the solution of Somali internal strife as a result of unhealthy Clannism. This is important because this seems to be the underlying point to your starting this topic.

Duke, you asked for the proof. Khilaaf xoogan ayaa ka taagan gudaha xukuumadda maamul goboleedka Puntland iyadoo lagu eedeeyay inuu ka danbeeyo lacagaha been abuurka ah ee lagu daabaco deegaanada Puntland Wasiirka Maaliyada Puntland Maxamed Cali Yuusuf Gaagaab Widh-Widh Cadde Muuse even accused Gaagaab or did you forget this since you were more concerned with the ICU and the threat to Baidoa? Cadde Muuse oo si toos ah eedayn maaliyadeed dusha uga tuuray wasiirka maaliyada Gaagaab. Cadde

Well there are clashes between sub-clans also. What do you attribute to that? That is all beside the point. Gaalkacyo to this day stands to be the most embarrassing case of the state of being Somali. A man and his nephew cannot be neighbors. An aunt and her niece cannot be neighbors. Two friends of different clans cannot open business in the same area. That is the issue you should be discussing Duke, considering that is the specific city you lay claim to and are born from the loins of the northern part of the city and the womb of the southern side of the city. In any place there is a majority and minority and Gedo is no different but no such case of embarrassing and degrading segregation exists anywhere else in our land save for Gaalkacyo, your hometown. Your hometown is the epitome of everything against Somalinimo yet you can speak ill of Gedo where no man asks the clan of his neighbor. That's pretty sad in my opinion and indicative of a very dishonest individual.

Originally posted by The Duke: Again you are making assumptions anyhow I defend not Gagaab but the state from claims from fellows like yourself. Ahh, so you are defending the clan from an "outsider". Duke, but Gaagaab is the enemy of the state. He does not harm people of Gedo or Hiiraan, his conduct harms the people of Bari and Nugaal.

Unlike Gaalkacyo Duke, everybody lives in peace in Gedo. No one cares about the clan of his neighbor in Gedo. One of the neighbors of my house in Beled-Xaawo is reer Hargeiso, waligiisne lama waydiin halkee ka timid. Ask your partner in crime here, JB, if anyone asked for his clan in Beled-Xaawo or Gedo as a whole. Gaalkacyo is the only place in Somalia where relatives and families are separated by a green line. Ina abti halkaan aanu ku kala leexano bey caan u noqotay, maxaa ceebtaas keenay Duke-ow adiga oo walibay ay reer Baraxlay abti kuu yihiin?

You're welcome Ojelle.

Duke, Baardheere is far from a village but then again where have you ever seen in Somalia except the house you were born in Xamar and one trip here and there to Gaalkacyo? Actually the interesting case, Gedonet refers you to the page but it is an account by British explorers in 1913. It is on the right side of Gedonet and good luck being poster boy for Miskiin's propaganda. Are you defending Gaagaab because he is more closer to you than even Cadde is or you want to stand infront of men and say the man is not coward who flooded the market of his own people for a dollar's gain?

Duke this has nothing to do with Barre Hiiraale, but lately I have seen you regurgiate Miskiin Macruuf's claims with impunity. There is a blog on Gedonet that I will refer you to so we do not get sidetracked. It is on the right side of Gedonet called "History Blog". I repeat: The part about being sent to Mogadishu or the part about being the man who as Finance minister of Puntland is responsible for the inflation in that part of the country as well as affecting elsewhere due to the counterfeit money he has engineered? Do reply.

The part about being sent to Mogadishu or the part about being the man who as Finance minister of Puntland is responsible for the inflation in that part of the country as well as affecting elsewhere due to the counterfeit money he has engineered?

Duke, Gaagaab is the man who brought the counterfeit money to Puntland..haatan ma Xamar baa laysaga masaafuriyey.