Waa yaab, wax walba Axmaaro miyaa ka danbaynayso? Oo adeer dagaaladi kuwaane ka horeeyene. Axmaaro marmarsiiyo ayay wax walbaaba u noqotay. Somali waligeed kici mayso intay marmarsiiyo wax walbaaba ka dhiganayso. On this topic, this conflict has been recurring for a while now. Alle ha kala qabto!

Originally posted by Muj: Red Sea: SNM were a rebel movement. Thier job was to fight and kick tailes. Somaliland no longer needs to being rescued from anyone, so they are jobless. They have cleared the way for young minds, politicians to take care of the rest. As you know the barrel of the gun doesn't bring progress. edit: SNM is history today, they are only mentioned. But I am against the idea of Somaliland= SNM. It once was, but Somaliland has tranformed and has former enemies living within it peacefully. War is no longer neccessary abti. Dee Somalilandta maantadan jirto u dood, SNMtana faraha kala bax. Ileen waa ragaad tiri "mahadsanid, waad noo dagaalanteen, lakin asalamu calaykum aanu ku kala tagno", soo maaha adeer? Note: this response is very contradictory to all you have been saying throughout this thread. Your level of indoctrination is staggering. Intriguingly one thing that has never puzzled historians is this; that the folly youth are always the muscle that which is used to subjugate. Noolow Riyaale, noolow baa ku sugayso adeer, aan kala tagno.

The point still stands Red Sea. Where is the SNM today besides being political whipping boys for Waraabe's unseasoned rhetoric or being outmanouvered, illegally, in elections to former secret service members of the former regime you allege led you to secession? Why idolize their actions yesteryears when they languish in bitterness today? I cannot help but point out the irony of posting Maxamed Xaashi's picture of yesteryears when he is today a political prisoner in the land you say he fought for? I cannot help but see the irony in posting Tuur's pictures of yesteryears when the man denounced the secession and made his way to Mogadishu? These are the men who were on the battlefield young man, what rights do you have to glorify parts of their history and ignore others? Ragaa siday ila tahay waa rag la dayriye, lagu caasiyoobay. Waxba haysku qancina masawir inta ah yaanu eegnay iyo waxaa la mid ah.

Absaloutely without any concept of diplomatic parlance. Hadal siyaasi maahe waxuu ninkaan ku dhawaaqo, siyaasad iyo ninkaane kala xeel dheer. Marka miyaad la yaabaysiin inay Somaliland wali taagantahay bartii lagu askumay?

War nuune war bal waranba, caradaas iyo Dublin waa sidee? Halgankiine inaad dhinacaada sidii uga sii wadid ayaan filayaa?

Jabhadi SNM la oran jiray maanta wax miisaan leh ee ka haray waa ninka la yiraahdo Siilaanyo, isagana waan u wada jeedne maalin cad in jagadiisi Riyaale xaday.

Is the seccessionist entity's existence under attack? Such resurgence of nostalgia can only be explained by a very real apparent present fear(?).

Originally posted by peacenow: quote:Originally posted by xiinfaniin: IA waa laga baxaa waxaan. We are yet to decode Allah's wisdom in all of this. Seeing Iraq and how it turned out and egged on America's face, it's not far fetched to suggest that Somalia too will at the end turn out to be quite contrary to what they have originally devised it to be. God and man has long left Somalia. Inaa lilaahi war kani halkee ayuu naga soo galay?

Juje, oo kaalay ma inay wax is badaleen baad mooday?

Duke, ma fayooba. Berrigii hore waa ninkii lahaa baryo iyo wada hadal laga tagay, afarta Kismaayo isku tagtay haatan baa laga xoreyn haatane waxaa weeye maya adeer baryada Biixi baa lagu daayay. Dhagahiisa iyo afkiisa ismaba maqlaan. Duke, Ugaasne meeshaa ma jiro, cid kalena ma jirto, Barre oo cafimaad daradeed Germany usii socday baa Addis Ababa tiri hada maxaa iska badalay aragtidaada ku aadan TFGda. That is all Duke, trust me no one is interested in Abdullahi Yusuf's seat behind Zenewi.

Originally posted by Oodweyne: Arinta SNM iyo halgankeediina, dee baashow, haddii aadan is yeel yeelaynin, waad ogtahay, inaan guul hayo, adeero Yey-na Amxaaro u dabo cararkii u miciin moodey... ^Sidaa weeyaan sxb, hadalka lama leexiyo! Me, Adeer, daawaan u baahanahay. Dadkaan anigu ugu horeeyo daawaan u baahanahay adeer. Qabyaalad baa la il daranahay, kaad oranay bal isagaaa kuwa kale dhaamo baa maryaha rogan haduu wax yaroo shanqar ahi maqlo. So imaadan fahan? Daawaanahay u baahanahay adeer. We have lost sight of everything and I pray the objective becomes more clearer to us once again.

Baashi hit the nail on the head! Cease the shameless cover-ups! You will not go anywhere hiding from the truth. Somalis raped each other, Somalis killed each other, Somalis slaved each other, Somalis harmed and stole from each other, and the Ethiopian invasion is only a result of the more deeper Somali self-hate, self-loathe that led us to this point. Dig deep and the truth is searing!

More than 600,000 hungry in Somali "bread basket" NAIROBI, Aug 15 (Reuters) - More than 600,000 people in war-ravaged southern Somalia are suffering from severe malnutrition in a part of country that used to be considered its "bread basket", according to an aid agency report. The Food Security Analysis Unit, which groups several relief agencies, published an assessment of nutrition in Somalia's Lower and Middle Shabelle region late on Monday. "Nutrition ... has deteriorated dramatically since March in the ... region, (which is) generally the most resilient and the bread basket of the country," the report said. This was partly owing to poor rains, and partly to disruptions in trade caused by a conflict that has killed hundreds since the Ethiopia-backed interim government ousted Islamists from Mogadishu in December, sparking an insurgency. The report estimated inflation in the past three months to be roughly 40 to 60 percent. "All of these shocks in a short period of time have resulted in a sudden-onset humanitarian emergency with high rates of acute and severe malnutrition affecting more than 600,000 people," it said. The Horn of Africa country, which has had no functioning government since the fall of Siad Barre's regime in 1991, has suffered an upsurge in clashes in past days. Hundreds of thousands have fled their homes since the insurgency started. "The number of people in need of assistance has increased to 1.5 million. Of this ... 295,000 require life-saving interventions," the report said.

^^I would like to see Sheikh Xiin face off with you. Interesting discussion I would say!

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: The incident is really unbelievable .... looks like the boy's blood were sucked just like the vempires .............. Is this true JB or one of your usual theatrics?

Xiin, sxb this is a response I once gave to Paragon when he asked me a similar question. I will post this and then I will add answering your specific question: Truth be told, the ICU sincerely happens to be the best thing that has risen from Somalia’s political ashes since the inception of civil war. What better then the emergence of an effective rule of law sanctioned by and built on the tenets of our faith? After democracy, socialism, and anarchy I truly believe Islam is the best solution we have and that Shareecada Islaamka is our savior in these times of darkness. The ICU has sorely disappointed me and to regurgitate why would be too redundant for your ears as well as my fingers. My hopes have been let down and my support has been made a mockery. What can anyone do when former thug Indhacade today sits in the same circle as men such as Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed and actually can dictate the policies of the movement! What can anyone do when ICU storm-troopers can storm towns and cities, but the hometown of Sheikh Aweys is pinpointed as hiding ground for contrabands like Khat designed to be smuggled into cities such as Beled-Weyne and elsewhere? What can anyone do when the ICU not only passes but legitimizes the case of the L. Shabelle while dragging newly donated heavy weaponry and artillery to bomb Kismaayo into surrender? What can anyone do when the ICU ignores and excuses it being use as a shirt for undercover tribal revenge as in the case of the massacre of the wounded men in hospitals? What can anyone do when the ICU wishes to control the whole nation but purposely keeps its ruling councils undiversified and not well represented? I mean is it not prudent to show respect to the civil war suspicions and sentiments of the Somali to appease all for the interest of all? What can anyone do when the ICU chooses to shutdown the livelihood of numerous needy Somali families but does not provide alternatives? What can anyone do when the ICU continues to saber-rattle not only against peace Somali regions but against neighboring states with the risk of heavy materialized direct interference thereby pushing Somalis back to square one? It is amazing how the ICU has become the best opportunity to not be. More then anything the sadness and anguish I feel is for what the ICU could have become yet today, sadly, I believe I am seeing its twilight era and the setting back of Islamic rule in Somalia for a long time to come. With that said, I do not condone the bombing and shelling of our innocent people. What kind of a person would rejoice at what is going on in Somalia knowing and having been through everything one is currently hearing from the airwaves? I have made a direct choice to support the framework and institution-building reality of the TFG and it is not a secret but that does not mean I support Ethiopian interference nor do I condone the Ethiopian shelling of Somali towns and cities. I do not and I never will, but at the same time I realize the reality of Eritrean, Oromo, as well as other foreign support the ICU is garnering and the legitimacy Ethiopia is getting to interfere in Somalia because of that. A lot of the times I feel the situation is out of our hands and it is because of that I support no one but the Somali people. May Allah be with them, Aaamiin! Source Imagine, I wrote this last December and how the fears I have outlined have come to be true. [edit] I have to jet but I will be back to answer the question.

Jimcaale, maxaa adeer layga kaa siiyey waa adigaan iga dabo harayne?

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Hornow , adeer waxaad illowday tazkiayadii Sh.Xassan Daahir ee uu ku sheegay inuu Hiiraale yahay xakiim ah; leader shan daqiiqo dhimman! lol. cuqdad iyo ninkii ciil qabaa looma caal helo adigoon ----buu cuq iska siiyaaye'e Kashafa, and many of us are fond of poking at Hiiraale not because who he is, in tribal terms, but for what he does, and strictly at that. It's difficult adeer but try to reason with people without considering their qabiil! When you feel at ease with Kismayo's gangs, like you do, [those you know who pride themselves to be under the command of wasaaradda gashaadhiga], you become an easy prey... And that is when another individual was busted for his anti-Hiiraale (read: reer Gedo) stance using "muqaawama". Crimson was the color of the day when the good Sheikh spoke the famous words "Hiiraale is one of the purest of the current men in power and is a man who had a supreme right in going to Kismaayo and dethroning Morgan. Tallaw wali ma laga biskooday?

Originally posted by Kashafa: Just this once, I'mma break it down for you.....sloooooooowly. My background means jack-squat(except in ur clan-centric mind) to this debate. But since you seem stuck on it, here it is: I am an Arlingtonian from the Al-Virginia sub-clan from the . Does the Al-Virginia tribe have beef with Barre Hiraale ? Not that I know of and that is why I did not suspect you of being neither Al Virginian or of Mogadishu background. I believe sheekada way inoo xirantahay?

Whatever he is Kashafa, the Ethiopians obviously see something that led them to invite him over for a cup of tea. Btw, our discussion is in the other thread.

"Kashafa is an ardent ICU supporter, he must hail from Mogadisho" Not that it's relevant, but you're wrong on both counts. Aniguna inaan dadka kaa badiyo i garo. I have never suspected you of being from Mogadishu background. This is exactly as I have written: Originally posted by HornAfrique: Kashafa, I can almost guess your repetition of Hiiraale's name does not have to do with fight against Ethiopia but rather strickly concerns Jubba politics. Is that to say that your bloodline resides somewhere there or concerns it? You decide. If I suspected you of being from Mogadishu background, you would not be as concerned as you are with Hiiraale's name vis-a-vis muqaawamo/Ethiopian issue. This is the man who warned against and refused to support as Defense Minister the Ethiopian penetration into the capital, who refused to support fighting in and shelling Mogadishu. This is the man that was demoted and near assassinated by Abdullahi Yusuf and Ghedi because of his opposition to their political stance. No, adeer if you were of Mogadishu background you would not have the obsession with Hiiraale's name that you do. Most of the people of Mogadishu background now admit that the UIC did not act with him the way they should have acted with him and respect him for his stances since. Jooji adeer, meel kalaad ka socota and I have already analyzed it!

I respect your position but you are being defensive and not without reason to.

Kashafa, I can almost guess your repetition of Hiiraale's name does not have to do with fight against Ethiopia but rather strickly concerns Jubba politics. Is that to say that your bloodline resides somewhere there or concerns it? You decide. But what is clear is what is driving you is Hiiraale's name in conjunction with Jubba/Kismaayo politics and fight against Ethiopia mambo jumbo is just that, mambo jumbo.

Inshallah adeer hala gaaro.

Kashafa adeer rag baa meesha Abdi Qaybdiid u dooda, Maxamed Dheere iyo qolodaas u dooda, adigu maxaa mar walbaab ku tusa Barre Hiiraale iyo Abdullahi Yusuf.