Waa hagaag.

Originally posted by Muj: Red Sea: what the farms in Baardheer are presented to prove a point. lol Those farms as you informed us are privately owned by a lady from that region. Therefore it hardly says anything about any collective success of the region let alone politically. Come on man be little smarter with your visual effects. Again, horn you and that Nayruus dude homeless . When I say that I mean you no one . Do you even know anything about what Oodweyn and I are discussing? To borrow a page out of Oodweyn's book, adeer go do us a favor and buy a lolipop from the store corner nearest you, at least in so far as Oodweyn and I are having this light discussion of sorts. Go adeer, the store corner is waiting for you. Day by day you are proofing to be SOL's Somaliland village comedian (the word I prefer to employ with respect to your sensitivity).

Oodweyn, Consequently, let me try to rub this argument in your face one last time; and say the fallowing: Do you dispute, that there is nothing that you have as a case against Somaliland that can be even compareable as to what has been happening to by and large in Somalia, or even your folks in Gedo and even Kismayo, as it so happens. Completely irrelevant to everything and anything this particular discussion concerned. It seems to me, Oodweyne, that perhaps your dressing is there to hide something deeper; a lack of organization in your topic point. However, you are determined to include Gedo, Kismaayo, and all other areas and subjects that can be deemed as irrelevant to this particular topic into the discussion so I will grant you your wish and remark on the areas you have touched on. Somaliland and Gedo/Galgaduud are not comparable Oodweyn. Somaliland has been peaceful throughout most of the civil war while Gedo and Galgaduud can be deemed to be some of the areas most impacted by that horrific war, particularly Gedo. During the course of my discussions with you, I have learned that you are most definitely not a stranger to the history of Gedo during the last 16 years and in fact your awareness and understanding of the socio-political happenings in Gedo seemed to be completely above average if I were to take a pause and grant you your due rights. Because of that I will not regurgitate unneeded material but I will discuss a bit about the region since 2002. It is something of chance that you pick 2002 as a the starting point of the change you wish to see when that particular year is the climatic year, in so far as peace and security is concerned for that region. Since 2002 that region of Gedo, lawless Gedo, Al Itihad bastion Gedo, Ethiopian invaded Gedo, war weary and beleaguered Gedo, has implemented an indigenous peace reconciliation conference unsupported by any NGO, UNDP money, or World aid. A conference that has seen more success that even your agreements in Borama and Burco have seen in the same amount of time that the Gedo reconciliation has been in existence. The region has went through a trial period and at the conclusion of it, regional and local administrations were implemented, unseen since the 80's, law and order was brought back, civic campaigns were undertaken, NGO's were lured back for the first time since the 80's, business and livelihoods have increased, recognition was received from neighboring states as equals, and ready investment is just getting the opportunity to be allowed to come in and do its job. This is only since 2004 and amazingly Gedo has seen leaps that neither even Somaliland and Puntland were able to witness 4 times the length of the existence of their reconciliations than Gedo's. That is that region for you Oodweynow; we await for nothing but more incredible news from that part of the country. If time is in your favor, I assure you that news coming from that area will certainly not disappoint so hold onto your horses old boy. This is the face of Gedo today when it is allowed to flourish: That land has suffered, but things are most definitely looking up for the better. As for Kismaayo: Again, do you dispute, that as we speak, half of your clan folks, are hoping that Col. Yey will not get the Ethiopians to take over Kismayo against you; whilst the other half are hoping that Col. Biixi, will do his best to smooth talk Col. Yey in-order for the old hyena from Mudug region not to say and ask Gen. Gebre of Ethiopia, that Kismayo is teeming with terrorist, and hence he and his connon-fodder should clear it. In the sense, that when JVA of Mr. Abdiqasim Sald Boy were in ascendance in the south; you were card-carrying chearleader for him and his loot; and then when things get pit dicey, you turn completely on the mercy of Col. Yey; and now, you are hoping and praying that Col. Hiiraale could convince Mr. Meles Zenawi not to listern the smooth melodies of Col. Yey, so that Ethiopian's Dogs-of-war under Gen. Gabre will not be set on the Gedo's Clan that has the penchant to hoarding the loots of others - ala Kismayo Style - You understanding of the political maneuverings concerning that gem of a city has always been third-hand information gleaned from irrelevant coffee shop discussion. I assure you that things are different than what you assume concerning that city and the future will be my witness. Next time do try to stay on topic and can keep irrelevant side discussions out.

Somali President Rejects Human Rights Watch Report PRESS RELEASE - Washington, D.C., Aug. 21, 2007 - Abdullahi Yusuf, President of Somalia's Transitional Federal Government (TFG), rejected a recent Human Rights Watch report that accused all parties in the Somali conflict of widespread human rights violations and accused the rights group of perpetuating violence in Somalia. In an exclusive interview with VOA's Somali service today, President Yusuf reacted to the report stating, "It's the insurgence groups that ought to be condemned for human rights violations. The TFG is doing all it can to stabilize Somalia, which is a very difficult thing to do." According to the report, Ethiopian groups who backed the government bombed civilian areas indiscriminately, and the government impeded relief efforts for displaced people. It also states that insurgents placed civilians at great risk by deploying in populated neighborhoods. President Yusuf also rejected remarks by the Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs, Jendayi Frazer, who on Thursday commended the TFG for its reconciliation attempt, but chided it for curtailing the freedom of the press by closing several media outlets and detaining journalists without charge. "I believe [Frazer] was lied to...we believe we are a democratic state that protects the freedoms of the press," Yusuf said. VOA's Somali Service, launched in February 2007, airs from 1600-1700 UTC (7:00-8:00 PM in Somalia), with a repeat broadcast at 1700 UTC. Broadcasts are available on AM, FM and shortwave radio frequencies 13580 Khz, 15620 Khz, 1431 Khz. The 1700 UTC broadcast airs on HornAfrik (88.8 FM in Mogadishu), a VOA-affiliated station. VOA's Somali-language service is funded by a grant from the U.S. Department of State. For more information, please visit our website at www.VOANews.com/somali/. The Voice of America, which first went on the air in 1942, is a multimedia international broadcasting service funded by the U.S. government through the Broadcasting Board of Governors. VOA broadcasts more than 1,000 hours of news, information, educational, and cultural programming every week to an estimated worldwide audience of more than 115 million people. Programs are produced in 45 languages. For more information, contact the Office of Public Affairs at (202) 203-4959, or by e-mail at publicaffairs@voa.gov.

Dukena waa kan.

Originally posted by me: Horn is it true did Oodweyne claim the seccesionists would be recognized in 2003 and that he was in the negotiating team..and that he altered articles......if thats true then those are the actions of a deluded individual. Oodweyn waa nin can ah, however I bring that up not to engage in character assassination but to show just how far he would go to further Somaliland's interest even at the expense of reality. Deluded? Maybe not. Trustworthy? Certainly not.

How is it any different than Edna Adan's famous words in London?

LOl @ nacayb u dhimo, inaa lilaah, oo meesha siyaasad baa laysku hayaaye waa maxay hadalada ku deehantahay cuqdada iyo xasaraad. Nayruus, adeerow war raga way ku dhibsadeene adiguna un qujo-qujada ka daa.

As usual Oodweyn, a lot of words, no substance. Everything you have said can be summed down to this single sentence: That HornAfrique brougt an "argument" and is trying to run away from it. Do read what you write Oodweyn, and while (to flatter you a bit) I do envy the art of writing a flourishing article which can be summarized into a single sentence that you so excel at, I really must say it makes one a bit of a frustrated toad to sit there and still not be able to understand just what exactly you are getting at 2/3 into your articles. At same point, Oodweynow, the dressing has to be lifted and whatever solid substance we can find must be dissected. I brought this argument and I have stuck to it, what other inconsequential matter will you then hide with the sort of dressings we have all come to expect from you old boy? Originally posted by HornAfrique: Nayruus, at the end of the day Somalia is one and will continue to be it. Even if Somalia does get its act together and forcefully tries to bring Somaliland back into the fold setting off a long separatist movement, the world will still continue to respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Somali Republic. That is how its been, that is how it will always be. Don't waste time on Oodweyn and the likes; since I first posted on this forum 5 years ago, in 2002,up to this second they have been posting of the same "positive signs" towards recognition of Somaliland. Hurdada ka kaca!

Originally posted by AYOUB: Really? Is that why n Ethio Gen. Gabre and his army - with the help of stooges - against UN resolutions invaded and occupies the country? Is that why American bombers do night-time raids on villages and "president" responds by saying "heard it on the radio". What about the Asian fishermen all over your territorial waters while European vessels dump toxic waste. Don't forget shady businessmen signing underhanded mining contracts with criminal warlords. The world has a very peculiar way of showing "respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity" to the Somalia. All those things concern you in the same manner you feel it concerns my person. You are as Somali as I am and should feel impacted as you wish to impact me. If you were to play the clan card, so can I play the clan card. Whether an Ethiopian forcefully occupies Mogadishu port or Berbera through proxy, it is the same thing. Even so, Somalia's territorial integrity is not divisible no matter how much the world takes advantage of the disarray and disunity of its peoples.

Again, Oodweyn your tactics are not new to this corner of the forum. If I remember correctly, you were the man whom I caught altering news documents on print everywhere on the world wide web as well as making false promises on the "day" we would see the "recognition" of Somaliland. The most memorable to stand out as of yet is your deadline of October (or was it November) of 2003/4 as the month we would see the recognition of Somaliland from several "key" nations in which your very person was a member of the "negotiation" team. You were ludicris than and you are ludicris now, only now it is a bit old. You remarking on the development of Somaliland is respectable as well as understandable, but coming here continuously with childish mutterings and juvenile perspective on the reality of our world is unbecoming of you or anyone else that wishes to engage in such a discussion. It is a bit tiring Oodweyne, now do stay on the topic at hand or cease clouding the area and chasing us out because of sheer boredom. I am glad, however, that you stopped exposing your naiveté of international geo-politics regarding Somaliland's recognition case and started concentrating more on the predictable domestic front.

Originally posted by Suldaanka: [QB] LOL Ina Iggare was at least man enough to bring along 5,000 of his own kinship to do the karbaash and finish off the Mad Mullah and his ragtag militia and he has to take the bounty and the girls himself and not 30,000 hungary Xabashi as your uncles did. Somali logic. So the British invasion and aerial bombardment of Taleh was a mystery of History eh? Besides, speaking of Daraawish, The Mad Mullah did more harm to the Puntland clans than he ever did to the Somaliland ones. So we finally get somewhere. Why did your efuse him then other than for clannish divide and conquer implemented by the British? Are you admitting you were a colonial lackey, called to fight the colonial enemy? As for Dhaqane, the man was a ranking member of the SNF/SRRC. A minority group cut off from the SNF because of their support for Ethiopia during the 90's. He, represents himself, as I am sure you would say Buubaa did himself in the previous months.

Originally posted by Suldaanka: But your uncle, my dear horn, will never be forgiven for inviting the enemy and leading them to massacre the Somali people. Nor will SOL forgive you and your ilk for ululating for such a horrendous crime against the Somali people. He neither led them into the country nor massacred any people. He, Barre, sought support against those who, commanding foreign mercenaries, massacred his wounded men in a hospital. That is all adeer. Prior to that he was praised for his nationalistic stance and after that he is being praised for not supporting the massacre in Mogadishu. If you consider the fight against the Ethiopian backed TFG wrong, which you obviously do, what is the difference between this and the Darwiish Wars? Adeerkaa Iggarre taariikh fiican mahaysan, Edna Aadane mahaysto, Faysayl Cali Waraabena mahaysto. Bal adigu wax soo tabi. You are the last group to be discussing such matters. Take it however you will but the charade has to be stopped somewhere.

Originally posted by Suldaanka: your uncle Bare Huuraale Very mature and telling of your nature. So did you bring that Youtube because you disagreed with its insulting nature in principle or because it was towards your clan? Most of Somalia is waking up to Ethiopian hand today, Somaliland has been under its thumb for a decade. It was Somaliland that coined "the child born in Addis is closer to I than the child born in Mogadishu". How fast we forget that after being abandoned on the alter. Northernor all I said was Riyaale is today in Addis, being called there probably to give an explanation for arresting the politicians thereby hurting Mele's chances of winning the "presidency" for him again.

Nayruus, Riyaale is today in Addis Ababa.

Nayruus, at the end of the day Somalia is one and will continue to be it. Even if Somalia does get its act together and forcefully tries to bring Somaliland back into the fold setting off a long separatist movement, the world will still continue to respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Somali Republic. That is how its been, that is how it will always be. Don't waste time on Oodweyn and the likes; since I first posted on this forum 5 years ago, in 2002,up to this second they have been posting of the same "positive signs" towards recognition of Somaliland. Hurdada ka kaca!

This is one of the farms around Baardheere that was previously privately owned and unused. An Somali NGO named Hirda bought it and managed to turn it into something of a miracle, supplying local as well as national needs.

Is beerta Wajaale privately owned and how many acres? Can it be put to use for commercial purposes?

I am glad the accursed "land" suffix was left off.

Clearly the forum has changed since your last departure Oodweyn. No one is new to your political positions or talking points and as such, no one is in the habit of budding cyber heads. It is not considered fashionable anymore to spend all day in a series of rebuttals all the while knowing the likelihood of witnessing a tangible conclusion is zero to none. Recently, I have been watching with some forms of amusement as you tried to claw nomads only to have it somewhat passively deflected. Much the same way a lion cub tries to instigate some forms of entertainment only to sling off disappointed and hopeful of instigating somewhere else. Adeerow meesha dood ma taal, xaal qaado. Subsequently it was not wont of manly fortissimo or even a lack of debating spirit on my part that have guaranteed my absence in that debate that you've mentioned; but, as I can tell, by a long experience that I had accumulated at your expense; one knows in his heart, that long before one enters the room, as to what your pointless arguments in so far as Somaliland and the then SNM will evolve around or will amount in totality; which is mainly Mr. Rayale this and Mr. Rayale that, and so forth and so etc… I will note this for the future.

They have long been fighting for pastoral and land ownership. Yet the problem is not a Somali problem but Axmaaro..!

Oodweyn, what garners my interest is what kept you out of the recent discussion I had with some of the Somaliland juniors concerning their present views towards the SNM and its place in society. Knowing full well the history of your past, gleaned from you what you consider boasts of course, I thought I might have accidentally stumbled on to one of the more livelier discussions in recent SOL history. Pity, you let us down but I am more than happy to be indulged as to the why.

Originally posted by Juje: quote:Originally posted by HornAfrique: Waa yaab, wax walba Axmaaro miyaa ka danbaynayso? Oo adeer dagaaladi kuwaane ka horeeyene. Axmaaro marmarsiiyo ayay wax walbaaba u noqotay. Somali waligeed kici mayso intay marmarsiiyo wax walbaaba ka dhiganayso. Xasha ! Through personal experience I found out first hand in aad tahey nin aan abaal laheyn, lakiin it is clear midka Axmarada waad ku dheer tahey. Juje, marka Axmaaro baa Ceelbuur timid miyaa ee labadan qolyo isku dirtay? Inaa lilaahi waa inaa ilaahi raajicuun, Somali ma sidan baa u danbayay? Lakin yaaba adiga kula yaabayo Juje-ow, waxaad tahay ninka difaaca Gheedi, Abdullahi Yusufne u maryo duubtay. Hadaan ku waydiiyo maxay ku kala duwanyihiin? Wake up and smell the coffee ragow, Ethiopia has much to do with this tribal fight as Botswana. Juje, berri aanu maqalno marka Gaalkacyo iyo Cadaado inta u dhacayso laysku fara taabto adigoo Axmaaro marmarsiiya ka dhiganaya iyadoo la og sababtay laysku haysto! Somaali baa is dishay, waligeedne is dili jirtay, haatane is dilayso. Period!

Ridiculous. You are going to have to try harder to convince me of your position. As I see it, this is nothing but a long continuation of a nomadic fight for scarce resources such as water wells, grazing areas, etc.

Alle hakuu wada sahlo sxb.