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  1. No progress after six weeks of peace talks Friday, August 31, 2007 MOGADISHU (AFP) - Talks aimed at ending 16 years of conflict in Somalia were due to wrap up yesterday, with diplomats saying the parley had made no progress after six weeks of marathon negotiations. As about 2 500 delegates and observers gathered for a closing ceremony in northern Mogadishu amid tight security, diplomats called for a new approach to solve Somalia's chronic anarchy. "We know this conference has gone nowhere. The problem is blind confidence in the transitional federal government," a foreign diplomat said, but Somali elders argued that at least such talks had been managed. "We all wanted to support it and we all did (that, but) it did not rise to the occasion, so we need a different approach now," said the diplomat, who asked not to be named. Elders said the attendance level at the Somali National Congress was in itself a favourable first step towards pacifying the nation. "It was the first time such a large number of Somali delegates in favour of peace met, so for this simple reason this congress is a basis for our future unity," said clan elder Bile Mohamud Qabowsade. More than 1 000 delegates representing the country's clans and sub-clans met in the insurgency-prone city to discuss power and wealth sharing, as well as other issues. Last week, a respected clan elder participating in the conference was killed by gunmen, and three other delegates were wounded in grenade attacks at their hotels. Source: AFP, Aug 31, 2007
  2. Originally posted by xiinfaniin: [QB] Che , Horn usually chooses the topics he posts carefully. This one come back to bite him real hard. On the contrary, I believe the thread fared much better then expected. My expectation was to witness the majority of diverse nomads spewing one-sided interpretation of the late president's legacy. I was prepared to argue and present the positive, yet ignored, achievements but clearly I seemed to have greatly underestimated the intellectual integrity of the nomads here and their ability to call spade for a spade and recognize both sides of the coin. The late government had many faults, but here I presented some of the more slighted positive aspects. The nomads, rather than refusing my contribution altogether or soaking in it as some form of indoctrination curriculum, balanced it out and came to an objective and fair conclusion. Dahia, Dhulqarnayn, and Brown are just some of those nomads. The only exception are the SSDF remnants and that is not something that particularly shocks me to my bones you see. [ August 30, 2007, 10:12 PM: Message edited by: HornAfrique ]
  3. The last half of the thread seems to have turned into the wailing wall of that ill-founded and vanquished SSDF's remnants. Intriguing how some of the remnants such as Duke, Xiinfaniin, etc had to come in multiple times only to reiterate (I would appropriately call it regurgitate) their already written opinion. It seems to be past the point of redundancy. Pray what leads them to feel the need to continuing making their mark throughout the discussion? Originally posted by Jimcaale: Gun wadoow Siyaad Aabihii Gardarada Garacayagoo Hanti wadaagu waa Habkaa barwaaqa naga Hor joogsadoo Aawaye ciyaalka kacaanka? Sii daadihiya hee. Haye, what other juvenile wants to come in and fart in grown people's discussions?
  4. Here he goes. Once again, sabotaging another thread with his copy and paste cutoffs that can be compiled into a single post. Way to go Duke, sabotage this thread as you have sabotaged every other single thread around here with your abominable copy and pastes for the last year and half. No wonder this place has become a dump.
  5. Originally posted by Juje: quote:Originally posted by HornAfrique: It all has to do with the SSDF coup attempt right after our defeat in the 1977 war. Siad, like you say, did many a good things for Somalia, treated everyone equally, and even went in to the 1977 war intent on actually realizing the objective sewn into our flag..... a greedy and selfish clan-based coup was undertaken by a clan group who felt this was the most opportune moment to set the clock back to the corrupt 60's......Nevertheless this was a wake-up call to Siad and implanted in his head doubt and suspicion, leading him to make a very close inner circle. He also started tightening his grip in a bid to be ahead of information, a direct consequence of the SSDF coup which was undertaken at the gates of Mogadishu. That, believe it or not, was the road to autocracy. Priceless.... Does that mean you agree or disagree Juje-ow?
  6. Originally posted by Dabshid: ^^Siyaad Barre iyo naxariis kala daa, if he doesnt go to hell, Nobody will! Horn, Adeer what do you mean,"Somaali baad Tahay", goormey ceeb noqotay Somalinimadu. Waxa halkaa ina dhigay waa wixii uu 21 sano abuurayey, I am ashamed that you come here and try to protect the evil dictator, who brought all these misery, it does not sources to prove of who Siyad barre is,look the angry folks in the north, who once took part in fighting for the somali unity. Siyad will be remembered well in Somali history. Wakhti badan kugu dhumin maayo. I do not like nor appreciate hit and run tactics. You made an assertion that nepotism and corruption were engineered in Somalia by the late president and I gave you a direct reply shredding your ignorance by showing that the 1969 coup itself was borne as a result of the heavy corruption and nepotism in the 60's. Respond directly to my response to you or cease addressing me at all.
  7. ^^I guess that takes away the prop estrous Siad was not willing to deal that has made its way into the Siad/Menguiste comparison. Originally posted by Mansa Munsa: Barre was a bitter and sweet on the same spot, first ten years of his tenure he bridged the intellect gap among Somalis and in the same token built lots of infrastructure be roads, schools, hospitals, agriculture and introduced the written format of the Somali language without this, Somali literacy rate would be much lower than it's today. However, after 77 war he messed it up a big time and the rest is just a history. I have spoken with many of his former advisers and the explanation is extremely logical, even somewhat of a revelation. It all has to do with the SSDF coup attempt right after our defeat in the 1977 war. Siad, like you say, did many a good things for Somalia, treated everyone equally, and even went in to the 1977 war intent on actually realizing the objective sewn into our flag. Yet after a time of national defeat at the hands of the Communist world; a time of national grief and mourning; at a time of national loss a greedy and selfish clan-based coup was undertaken by a clan group who felt this was the most opportune moment to set the clock back to the corrupt 60's. Corruption that had amazed even "Afrophiles". The sentiments of Somalis was summed up by many poets such as Dharbaaxo Jaan, Cabdulle Raage, etc. Nevertheless this was a wake-up call to Siad and implanted in his head doubt and suspicion, leading him to make a very close inner circle. He also started tightening his grip in a bid to be ahead of information, a direct consequence of the SSDF coup which was undertaken at the gates of Mogadishu. That, believe it or not, was the road to autocracy.
  8. Originally posted by Kashafa: All that said, he is the metaphorical saint when compared to the collection of Ethiopian hyenas and dogs that pass for the Somali 'leadership' today. I speak of slaves like: Yey, Gheedi, M.Dheere, Riyaale, Hiraale, Qeybdiid and the rest of Dhabo-dhilif, Inc. Let history record that Dictator Maxamed Siad Barre was many evil things, but a cursed f'ing collaborationist traitor, that he was not. And for that he deserves credit. [/QB] Probably the most closest thing to a compliment you can bestow on the late president Kashafa-ow.
  9. Originally posted by Caamir: HornAfrique, I admire Bare's early adminstration, but it is undeniable that he resorted to the use of force in finding a solution to his country. It is not a strange move to resort to the use of force as a solution. In fact, it is one of the principles of International Law, esp when the sovereignty of a country is on the verge of collapse. Read the last Par, by Peter D. Little http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r18/AhmedSD/02a00020_l.7.jpg Yes Camir, sometimes the head of state has to resort to drastic actions in order to keep the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the state intact. With that said, I am not overlooking the experiences of of civilians everywhere who might have taken the brunt of the struggles between the central government and the various rebel groups. I do not think there is anyone with the authority to do that. p.s. The article you brought concerns the Bashiir Bililiqo uprising as derived from an interview with a rebel. That is a subject all on its own.
  10. Originally posted by Dahia al Kahina: Was Siad Barre an exceptional leader? Nah! he was a mere product of the aftermath of the pre colonial African dilemmas. Indeed Somalia had great hopes in its initial success as a nation, but like majority of other African countries during the era of pre colonialism found it self losing its powerful alliance of the elite and the masses that brought freedom , as a new elite became self serving allied to metropolitan interests of former colonial powers. Politics of exclusion became the order of the day as the elite to capture and retain power exploited regional and tribal differences, so things like one party,dictatorship,life presidency and military coups became the order of the day.. There were two external reasons that also contributed greatly to the collapse of the African/Somali nationalism, One was the cold war between the west led by the USA in NATO and the East led by USSR and the WARSAW pact countries…As we know Africa yet again lost its own self determination as countries and governments became allies of either powers not because of what they did or did not do for their people but for allegiance to extra African powers. We know our late president tried to play in both camps, which lead to the nation being in a limbo after the war,desparate for allies and material assistance, and without clear direction and coherent ideology, the nightmare began. So do we blame him, some say yes ,some said it was the circumstances that lead to the current situations. I say, YES he was to blame, he had a vision “socialism” which he himself wasn’t clear on. But to give him his due he at some point was able to tame the embedded tribalism in our society, and we enjoyed some years of Somali nationalism, but again due to desperate measures to sustain power, he tripped[ as kids now days would say],which only lead to the downfall of once a promising nation. He was a man that gained power by force, sustained it by force, arrogant [which seems to be the trait of many Somalis] and by all means a confused socialist. Of the topic, this comes to mind,my own sentimental memories of those days gone by, I truly miss those exciting days in October,as kids we were dressed in our best outfits to attend parties at the Somali Embassy,were I remember standing by the lawn watching the celebrations in Mogadishu as they were projected on the wall….Aaah,that song is still in my head..am sure it went like this “Gulwadoo Siad, abihii garashadaa ,gebigaa yagoo..something something …. You see, my dear Dahia, there is an all too apparent difference between the one who comes from a subjective (tribal) perspective and an individual that comes from an objective, impartial point of view. I do not believe there is anyone out there that can accuse you of praising the late president, but there are many including I who will respect you for calling out spade for a spade in the most objective of analysis without the usual garbage riding behind you so common to our peoples. For that you deserve a clap.
  11. Originally posted by Dabshid: Any Somali with a bit of intelligence would never disagree the problem Siyad Barre brought to the Somali Nation, He was the source of all evils like Qabyaalad, Nepotism,killings, which still lingering in the country, and unless Somalis learn from his mistakes,and correct themselves, there is no forward. ^Soomaali baa tahay kula yaabi maayo. Afka nool waa waxaan ku caan baxnay.If you have proof nepotism and qabyaalad was brought to Somalia by Siad Barre, we would love to see your post. After all, this seems to be a sourced researched article. Here are sources proofing you false and showing the 1969 Coup was a result of blatant corruption, nepotism, tribalism, etc and you ignorantly assert such things were introduced to Somalia by the late president. As I have said, Soomaali baad tahay, kula yaabi maayo.
  12. Khalaf- Where do you get anyone is denying the bad actions of the former government? If someone gives a comprehensive objective analysis, a clearly sourced researched piece, where do you get the idea anyone is denying some of the bad actions of the former government?
  13. Duke, to take an example, all the wrongs that added up during Siad Barre's twenty one years have been surpassed by what Abdullahi Yusuf has managed to bring down on Somalia's head in few months. At the end of the day, there lies the foundation of your frustration. I suggest you continue to keep bombarding us with insignificant information because soon enough, Abdullahi Yusuf will be left in the dust, with naught a single legacy or achievement to his name. khalaf- You are correct young man. Allah is the best judge but I did not post this topic to judge but to give the propaganda a run for its money and some nomads, such as Dhul Qarnayn, are already benefiting from it.
  14. ^^That highlights more than anything the worth of your opinion.
  15. Che- I am very well aware of that event and while I understand and can explain to you the circumstances that led to the uncle facing the sentencing rather than the culprit himself, I cannot say I am in any position to explain thoroughly the full legality of it under Islamic law. As you might already know, the uncle had planned and implemented the escape of the killer, and it is because of that he faced the sentence in place of his guilty nephew. Dhul- Well not anymore. The SSS's have died out and the smoke screen is being lifted. History will be told by itself rather than through the propaganda of power hungry fiends. The thing that most opened my eye in that article is the comparison between President Barre of Somalia and President Menguiste of Ethiopia, both of whom were overthrown in 1991. Yet the Ethiopia of Menguiste (who makes Barre's rule very laissez-faire) moved on and even occupies Somalia today. What is the difference besides that Ethiopia's uprising was a genuine fight against oppression and Somalia's was engineered by few power hungry fiends intent on using their clans as a vehicle to achieve personal power with today being a manifestation of that objective?
  16. Former President Mohamed Siad Barre, The Most Wrongfully Vilified Person In the Somali History After the Late Nationalist Leader Sayid Mohamed Abdule Hassan By Warsame101 Aug 28,2007 by London-GEDO-NN From the downfall of Somali’s central government to the present day, a smear campaign was undertaken by the rebel groups and warlords to malign and attribute today’s Somali problems to this former President. I will provide a concise examination and description stating his achievements and information that will determine the real culprits responsible for the complete and utter destruction of our national government. What lead to the Somali Revolution (1969): After Somalia gained its independence in 1960, the common population was filled with a sense of joy and pride and a new-found nationalism. With this New Age, the Somali people had great expectations and hopes, only for it shatter to the ground after witnessing the manifested corruption perpetrated by the leaders of the government. The civilian government was rifled with corruption (musuq maasuq) and tribalism (qabyalaad). What had started out as a putative nation was being torn apart at the seams through tribalism. Political appointments were made constantly to promote clan-power. For ten-years, the adoption of the script for the Somali language was put on hold whilst the political leaders were diligently buying votes, using government cars as taxis and hiring relatives to sign their praises (afminsharism) in the public market-place and in the teashops [1]. Most of the custom duties were pocketed by civil servants; hospitals were selling their medicines to local pharmacies. For instance, Somalia during that period had received the highest foreign aid per capita in comparison to other African States and yet there was no visible improvements in the standard of living save for the creation of Somali’s first generation of millionaires [2]. I.M. Lewis admits that in “the ten years of civilian government in Somalia, elections and competition for material resources in urban contents and in the national context greatly expanded the arenas of rivalry between clans and their segments, bringing in to sharp conflict groups which had previously never interacted, and hardly never knew of each other’s existence”.[3]. Where the Western observers saw “democracy”, many Somalis saw �" mass and elite; nomad, farmer, and city dweller; civilian and military �" saw corruption, tribalism, indecision, and stagnation [4]. The Somali intellectuals profoundly dubbed this as neo-colonialism. The famous poet Mohamed Ismail responded to this situation in a way that exemplified Somali people's deepest feelings: "Oh! My friends the Somali Language is very perplexed; It is all anxiety in its present condition; The values of its words and expressions are being gagged by its own people; Its very back and hips are broken, and it accuses its own speakers for neglect; It is weeping with (deep) sorrow; It is being orphaned and its value is vanishing"[4] In the 1969 Somali elections, there were over 1000 clan-based candidates and more than 70 parties for fewer than 130 seats. The Somali population was simply tired of this power struggle, disunity and pseudo-democracy. After the assassination of the late president Sharmake, a revolutionary coup was staged by a sector within the state apparatus led by the armed forces and aided by intellectuals, public employees, and members of the petit bourgeoisie who were frustrated, disillusioned, and angered by the ineptitude of the post-independence governments. Mohamed Siad Barre, on 24 October 1969 explained the reason for the coup in a speech broadcasted on the radio where the nation was advertently listening: “Intervention by the Armed Forces was inevitable. It was no longer possible to ignore the evil things like corruption, bribery, nepotism, theft of public funds, injustice, and disrespect to our religion and the laws of the country. The laws were thrust aside and people did whatever they wanted.”[5]. What did the Somali Revolutionary Government achieve for Somalia?: Within three years, President Mohamed Siad Barre achieved goals that took the previous government forever to decide on. He put in effect the choice of a script for the national language which is still regarded as the greatest achievement in the Somali history. A massive literacy campaign titled Bar ama Baro (Teach or Learn) was put in place where a large amount civil servants numbering up to 40,000 students were sent to the countryside to educate the nomads in literacy and by 1977, more than 70% of the Somali population had passed literacy tests, a result that had astonished the World and an achievement that was viewed by United Nations as one of the most successful mass-urban literacy campaign ever recorded. Effective campaigns were kick-started to eradicate corruption, laziness, tribalism and cleanliness. Additionally, self-help schemes and crash programmes played an important part in the life of the Somalis after the revolution. They ranged from sand-dune stabilization to tree plantings. Every capable Somali had to contribute as much as 7-hours-per-week of their spare time to construct government designed projects such as roads, hotels, office buildings, schools and housing. Industry, banks and businesses were nationalized. The budget system was centralized for the first time in Somalia history which lead to a unified budget, incorporating the former central and regional budgets. Foreign schools were taken over by the national government and foreigners were banned from employment in posts that could be filled by Somalis, a move that was welcomed by the general population. Security courts were created to solve tribal clashes. The Somali Army Force was increased and at the same time, the Somali Air Force was modernized which gradually lead to the first Somali Navy force being established. Private educations were abolished which lead to a substantial expansion of the school population at primary, secondary, and university level. Private medicines were phased and a nationwide immunisation program was launched. Training institutes for Animal Health Assistants were established which was a step greatly admired by Julius Nyerere, an authority on African socialism and first president of Tanzania, who remarked in 1974 during the Mogadishu �" OAU meeting that “The Somalis are practicing what we in Tanzania preach.” [6] The sample data below this reflects a sample comparison of what the government of President Mohamed Siad Barre had achieved in the Educational sector in contrast to the post-independence governments: 1. In 1969, before the revolution, 55,021 students were enrolled in all schools located in the country. In 1975, after the revolution, the number jumped to 240,550, which is an increase of 437%!! 2. In 4 years between the pre-revolution and post-revolution, there was an increase of 128% in elementary school enrolment which is equal to an annual growth rate of 32.1%. 3. Intermediate school enrolments increased 51% (21.8% annual growth rate). Secondary education enrolments rose overall by 63.8% (16% annual growth rate). 4. Before the Revolution, there were 6,412 secondary students of which 737 were girls. After 4-years of the Revolution, there were 10,500 students of which 1,773 were girls, considering girls; their enrolment increased 140.6% over the 4-year period. 5. Before the Revolution, there were 3 technical and 2 vocational schools in Somalia. After the Revolution (before 1978), there were 16 of them: 4 technical schools, 2 polytechnics, 3 nursing, 2 clerical, and 1 each for maritime, agriculture, animal husbandry, range management, and telecommunication technicians. 6. Before the Revolution (in 1969), there were 1,873 Somali teachers. Three years after the Revolution ( 1972-3) the number jumped to 4,486 teachers which was a rapid increase of 440% in teacher training. 7. Before the Revolution, there was not a single university in Somalia. After the Revolution, in 1972, a Somalia National University was established with five initial faculties (gradually expanded in 1974) in education, law, economics, agriculture, and the sciences were in operation. In 1974, faculties of medicine, veterinary, sciences, natural sciences, maritime sciences, languages and literate and fine arts were established. 8. Before the Revolution, intellectuals and academics still used the English or Italian terminological terms. After the Revolution, these terms were Somalized. 9. Before the Revolution, all textbooks and school books were written by foreign authors and printed in foreign countries. After the Revolution, Somalis had their own school and textbooks, written by Somalis and printed in Somalia. Between 1973 and 1976, the Ministry of Education published over 6 million text-books in Somali. 10. In 1975 alone, 1,180 class-rooms were built for primary education A further listing of achievements of the Somali Revolutionary Government was capable of filling a whole. Dr. Abdi Sheikh Abdi, who was a vehement anti-Siad writer, could not deny its achievements as he mentions in his work, Ideology and Leadership in Somalia, "It can hardly be denied that Somalia under its present leadership has achieved some impressive results. This is most apparent to someone, like myself, who had been out of the country for many years. A good number of ambitious projects have been started, and in part completed, under the military Government, including the rehabilitation and resettling of nomads who had lost their flocks during the 1974-5 Deba-Dhere drought. These destitute former herdsmen have been settled in farming and fishing co-operatives between the two perennial rivers of south-western Somalia. Other projects include the north-south tarmac highway, built with Chinese technical help, which connects the two main regions of the Somali Republic and thus has both economic and political roles to play. Other projects undertaken by the Barre regime, though less successful, have instilled a co-operative spirit and a work-ethic that had been woefully lacking in the Somalia of the 1960s. The germ of this new spirit is most discernable in the numerous revolutionary youth centres that have been established in recent years. I recall having been very moved by one of the songs sun by orphan girls who had known no other home but such a centre, and no other parent but the state: It is a time of pleasant suprises When one journeys from a place of drought and desolation to one of plenty and prosperity There was a time When I did not know my lineage Now I have a father in [President] Siyaad. A mother in the October Revolution The flag is my uncle, The land my grandfather, The soil my grandmother President Mohamed Siad Barre changed the "Whom do you know?" question in to the "What do you know?" which aimed at strengthening the sense of unity and non-tribal identification. David Laitin writes: “His first task was to eliminate what he called ‘tribalism’, but which might be better be described as clan solidarity. An intricate clan system pervades the Somali social structure, and this had been the basis of party formation, political recruitment, and coalition-building in modern Somalia. Past attempts to rid the country of tribalism in the civilian period met with failure. The inevitable first question that Somalis asked of one another they met was, ‘What is your clan?’. When this was considered anathema to the purpose of a modern state, Somalis began to ask in a true musug masag fashion, ‘What is your ex-clan?’. Mohamed Siad Barre outlawed this question with a vengeance. Informers reported those who asked the clan identification question, and they were jailed. Further, and more important, Mohamed Siad’s first cabinet was clearly chosen on merit and not by ascriptive critera. The military has also stopped inter-clan warfare in the bush, and has coerced the nomads their disputed to the central Government. On a more symbolic level, and independently arriving at a Parsonian insight, Mohamed Siad has also repeated a number of times, ‘Whom do you know? Is changed to: What do you know?’, and this incantation has become part of a popular street song” [7]. An interesting practice of the late President was that he would often mention his salary in his public speeches and frequently publish letters from Western Banks who wanted to persuade him in opening private banks in case he was overthrown. What went wrong?:Many people have forwarded this question without receiving a satisfactory reply despite the fact that the chain events of the Somali History sufficiently provide an answer for this question. In 1977, The Somali National Army and the WSLF (Western Somali Liberation Front), went to war in an aim to dislodge the Somali Region from the colonial Ethiopian power. Upon capturing up to 90% of its territory, the Soviets intervened by switching allegiance from Somalia to Ethiopia which lead to the mass-expulsion of the Soviets from Somalia soil. After Ethiopia received an enormous help in military hardware (totaling over 1 billion dollars) and foreign troops from the Soviets and its allies (Cuba), the coalition started launching a massive attack that pushed the Somali National Army back to the Somali borders. Even though this was a staggering defeat, the spirit of the Somali people remained roused. A group of a clan-based militia with a lust for power where the current interim president of Somalia (Abdulahi Yusuf) was part of, decided to stage a coup at a time where the country was at its crossroads with the loss of the Somali Region. Even though they had failed to successfully perform the coup, it was fiercely condemned by the Somali population and was portrayed as an attempt to take advantage at a time of national crisis. Prominent Somali poets rushed to their pens and started devising poems rebuking this clan-based coup. Some of the culprits behind the failed coup were charged with treason and subsequently executed, as witnessed by the Mogadishu residents whilst others fled to Addis Abba, Ethiopia, thereby creating a clan-based rebel group named SSDF with Abdulahi Yusuf as its head. This was an attempt to over-throw the current regime and reverse the situation of Somalia to the days of neo-colonialism where all the political power was concentrated to a small clan. In 1982, the rebel group SSDF supported by a 10,000 strong Ethiopian force aided by tanks, artillery and jet fighter aircraft invaded Somalia and briefly captured the Somali border towns of Galdogob and Balanbale with the aim to drive inland to the towns of Galkayo and Beledweyn. Somali inhabitants of these border towns were ruthlessly massacred. Consequently, a national emergency was declared by President Mohamed Siad Barre and the Somali National Army, aided by jet fighter aircrafts were sent there to dislodge the Somali towns from the grip of the Ethiopian invasion force. Simultaneously, large rallies were held by the Somali population to condemn this treachery invasion.[8] Even though, the rebel group with its Ethiopian allies were pushed back, the move opened eyes to the slightest disgruntled Somali individual that with the help of foreign power, he will have the ability to over-throw the current national regime. In the early 1980’s, the narcotic plant (khat) was banned and Mohamed Siad’s Finance Minister, Abdulahi Ahmed Addow, closed down the Berbera trade which at that time enjoyed a tax-free exportation, on what he claimed were fiscal grounds. This lead to the rise of the clan-based SNM rebel group who by showing their dissatisfaction with this move by the Finance Minister, decided to start taking arms against the Somali government.[9] In accordance with the first clan-based rebel group, they started asking for Ethiopian help. Ethiopia, satisfied by this started arming and training them. President Mohamed Siad Barre started issuing calls for them to come to the tables and leave the refuge of the Ethiopian government whose solely aim was to destabilize Somalia. The rebel groups rejected this plea and started conducting hit-and-run tactics on civilian and military positions in a bid to destabilize Somalia. The rebel groups decided to wage propaganda wars to lure more clan kinsmen to their groups and bring the outlawed tribalism back to its stages of inception. In 1986, the President was injured in a car accident where he was immediately flown to Saudi Arabia and remained in a coma for several months. During this brief incident, Somalia’s stability started deteriorating and the rebel groups took advantage of this crisis by issuing false statements that the President had died. After the President returned to his country, he was advised to take it easy and only permit his presidential duties to public appearances and minor duties. He spent most of the time-sleeping whilst his vice-president Mohamed Ali Samatar assumed power in his absence. By 1986, the SSDF was already dissolved, as there was a disagreement with the rebel group and the Ethiopian Army about whether the Somali border towns of Balanballe and Galdogob belonged to Ethiopia or Somalia. The head of the rebel group was jailed and its members decided to join the Somali government as a bid to provide reconciliation. It was a move welcomed by the President as he started calling other rebel groups to come to the table and talk. By 1988, President Mohamed Siad engaged in a peace treaty with Ethiopia whereby both countries would cease support for insurgent groups seeking to overthrow the respective governments in Ethiopia and Somalia. The SNM rebel group were homeless and decided to launch a full-scale attack on the northern cities Hargeisa and Burao which lead to the exodus of thousands of Somali civilians to the neighbouring Ethiopia. After they captured the two towns, they decided to engage in a retaliatory attack whereby they started executing members belonging to the family group of the late President. The Somali National Army retaliated by shelling the cities after receiving a direct order from the Vice President, Mohamed Ali Samatar. On the aftermath, where the shelling of both the SNM and Somali National Army ceased on the city, 5,000 Somalis perished and the city was re-captured by the Somali National Army. Saddened by this, the president urged the rebel groups to lay down arms and come to the peace tables as violence is not the answer to peace. Unfortunately, these calls fell deaf on ears as more clan-based rebel groups started emerging. By 1990, the USC which was a major clan-based rebel group, advanced towards the capital of Somalia bringing mayhem and destruction. The city was shelled from the outskirts by the USC, a mass-exodus was ignited and hundreds of thousands of Somalis fled. Foreigners were evacuated as stores and public buildings were looted. Militias consisted of drug-crazed youngsters emerged as they started targeting the fleeing civilians. Mohamed Siad Barre, speaking from the presidential palace made numerous proposals for a cease-fire, including an offer to resign but the USC rejected them all. He was forced to leave the city he once built. [10] Now, 17-years-later after the departure of the last Somali leader, Somalia has witnessed the holocaust of over 1 million Somalis perpetrated by warlords, the destruction of Somali’s cities, mass-looting, and the invention of roadblocks, anarchy, mass-rapes, and wide-spread ignorance. Over 14 unsuccessful peace-conferences were staged and tribalism that the late Mohamed Siad Barre sought to eradicate was at its peak. Yet, 17-years-later, some Somalis still blame this man who modernized and built the then modern State of Somalia. The Golden Age of Somalia flourished under his rule. The same man who educated Somalis and put it on the world map. The same man who for the first time united the people as a nation. The former Ethiopian ruler Mengistu Haile Mariam, who was President Mohamed Siad Barre’s contemporary, committed hideous atrocities and genocide, yet after his disposal, Ethiopia, a nation with a population exceeding 70 million people and more than 70 ethnic-groups managed to reconcile after his departure. Why? Because the Ethiopian coup was justified as Mengistu Haile Mariam was someone that was rightfully despised by all Ethiopians collectively for his human-right injustices. Yet, President Mohamed Siad Barre who has been falsely accused by the rebel groups for massacres that he did not commit proves that the rebel-groups were looking for a false pretext to overthrow him. Yes, he committed mistakes as he admitted in his last interview, with the wording: "I am only a human, which unfortunately was my mistake. The English have a saying when you perform little, you make a few mistakes, when you do not perform at all, you make no mistakes."[11] And rightly he was, the amount of accomplishments that he achieved for Somalia was due his hard-working nature whereby it led to committing a few mistakes. If the rebel groups had the people at heart, they would have accepted his proposal of resignation and to cease destruction and genocide. But by lust for power, they arrogantly rejected his call and remained determined on the destruction of Somalia. How is it possible that the rebel groups and warlords can accuse the late president for hideous atrocities whilst they have committed far worse atrocities that amounted to a full-fledged holocaust? The SNM during its brief capture of the Northern cities until 1991 bombed, and strafed villages in Awdal and the neighbouring regions. Entire non-SNM clans were targeted by this rebel groups which led to the massacre of thousands of peaceful Somalis who had nothing with the conflict. The USC were responsible for the man-made famine in the Bay and Bakool regions where over 500,000 Somalis perished. Over 100,000 Somalis died during the inter-USC conflict between Ali Mahdi and Mohamed Aidid, not to mention the ethnic cleansing that was put into effect by the USC leader after the late President left the capital city. The chaos and holocaust that followed after President Mohamed Siad Barre’s departure is testament to the fact he was the one who saved the country from the neo-colonialist era and that he was the one who held the country together. Now, 17-years-later, most Somalis are finally realizing the importance of his rule and are desperately longing for his return. This makes him the most wrongfully vilified person in the Somali History. Warsame101 Warsame101@gmail.com References: [1] Revolutionary Change in Somalia, David Laitin, 1977 [2] Ibid [3] The Pastoral democracy: a study of pastoralism and politics among the Northern Somali of the Horn, Ioan Myrddin Lewis [4] Mohamed Ismail [5] Mohamed Siad Barre, My Country and My People, Vol. 1 (Mogadishu, 1970) [6] Speech in a meeting in Mogadishu of the OAU heads of state, 1974 [7] Revolutionary Change in Somalia, David Laitin, 1977 [8] The Times, 1982 [9] Somalia, 1986 [10] Reader's Digest News, 31 December, 1991 [11] His last interview - Source
  17. Originally posted by Nephthys: Adiga taada waxay u eg tahay dad-ka-carar iyo qaraabo nacayb. Qaaraan qof buko ama dhibaataysan oo tolkaaga ah waa waajib inaa dhiibtaa taas qabyaalad shuqul kuma laha. Afkaagu caano geel lagu qub. Caqligaad ku garatay taasi dad bay ka moog tahay, oo garwaaqsan. Qaaran hadaan la dirin, dadkayagu hooyo ama aabo u maqnayn kol horay ayay baaba'i la'aayeen. Ilma badan ee waxbarasha u oomane skool ay wax ka dhigtaan mayan heli lahayn. Dad bay inta maskax garaadooda ka maqantahaye intay leeyeehiin afka quruxso. Jacayl- Thanks.
  18. Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: [QB] No i'm noq qabiilist sxb ,, i'm one of those 0.001% just like you. I hope you do not mind if I make this my signature.
  19. Interesting how how our tongues say one thing and our actions imply another. We have only to look at certain threads to see for ourselves the truth... Should we give the benefit of the doubt and say it is only a rare case of amnesia?
  20. Originally posted by me: Oodweyne - unstable. Badacase - Oodweyne the younger years. Takes the cake even if I say so myself.
  21. Raganimo...afka ayaa ku cuncunayo ee adigu iyo Oodweyn waxaad kala dheeftiin aanu aragno.
  22. Meles Zenewi walle loo daa dalkii. Xaduuda Djibouti min Ras Kambooni isaga baa ka amar taaglaynayo.
  23. The Point- Oodeyne has a right to speak as much as he wants and as long as he wants, provided he follows the patterns of the argument. Taa waa mid aan anigu shaqsi ahaan u aqoonsaday berriguu igu yiri "waryaahe adigoo kuray ah, oo jalaato Xamar ku dhuuqayo yaan anigu baraf kusoo halgamayay"! Waa oday waligii mucaarad ahaa oo xabad sitay, nin xabad sitay iyo nin geel raacay sheeko iyo wax laysku maaweeliyo un baa la saaxiib ah, halkaa un buu isagana ka keenay. So he has that right to lengthen his verbosity as far as I am concerned, but I would hope it follows the context of the discussion rather than take away from the points of contention, as his usually does.
  24. Aaah, xaal qaado Red-ow hadaan ku gafay. I will retract my statement if you promise to actually read before responding.