Irrelevant! Xiin, adeer Tigreey iyo Shabaab ayaa is haysto. Maxay ku heshiin? This continuous reconciliation you speak of is relevant in an inter-Somali situation but the court has long ceased to include Somali clans! After 8 pages of debate, you still wish to ignore this very apparent fact!

Originally posted by Juje: quote:Originally posted by HornAfrique: Plain and simple he is naught but a rubber stamp and it is obvious you support him for nothing else but the fact you assume he can sit himself closer to Zenewi at the expense of Yusuf. Thus, not because he is a righteous man nor a man who is touched by the suffering of the people of Mogadishu, ironically from your divide of the Somali clan makeup if not your immediate divide in the sub-clannish sense, but because he can pull a fast one on the old Yey by prostrating himself more lower than the said man. Cajiib sxb your measurement bar does not expand further than 'Barre Hirale' - hence the prostration. Yes you are right I want Nuur Caade to be more closer than Yeey to Zenawi and the powers beyond which made easy for Yeey to conduct his merciless masaccre on the people in Mogadishu. Now if Nuur Caade can reverse that by getting more closer , then let it be. Mida kale isnt it Hirale's closeness to the man that is preventing Yeey from making Mogadishu 2 in Kismayo.Hadey adigu ku shaqeysey in ay ana ii shaqeyso maxaad igu diide. Saxiib 'H' turub barey' Bal ii sheeg wax laga xishoodo - mise iska hadal bey ka aheyd. Rageedi. First I am delighted to see you took my "canaan" with good spirits. Adeer hadaad i leedahay meesha shax siyaasadeed ee qarsoon ayaa la dheelayaa, jawaabteydu waxa ay tahay maxaa kowdi ku diiday. Anigu ta keliya ee iga hadalsiisay waxa ay ahayd markuu odeygu yiri "xaalad cakiran ee bini-aadanimo dalka kama jiro" oo aan runtii la yaabay igana caraysiisay inagoo kawada warqabno gaantaalka xabashigu inuu dad iyoo duunyadi Xamar galaafay. Laakiin anigu canaanteydi waan ceshen hadaad i leedahay shax siyaasadeed ayaa socoto looga goleeyahay in lagu badbaadiyo dad iyo duunyadi waxa ka hartay. ...and to that I say, what took you so long!

Juje, adeer isku xishood. The man is not the right-thinking technocrat he was believed to be neither does he deserve the benefit of the doubt I so prematurely bestowed on him. Plain and simple he is naught but a rubber stamp and it is obvious you support him for nothing else but the fact you assume he can sit himself closer to Zenewi at the expense of Yusuf. Thus, not because he is a righteous man nor a man who is touched by the suffering of the people of Mogadishu, ironically from your divide of the Somali clan makeup if not your immediate divide in the sub-clannish sense, but because he can pull a fast one on the old Yey by prostrating himself more lower than the said man. Despicable and simply detestable, not to mention highly incongruous with the pro-resistance stance you have given lip-service to around these ends, though now one is allowed to mention not because it was a true representation of your feelings but simply a position at the expense of the Duke, all in a manner that sought to have effect on political forum ratings. I say again, isku xishood adeer.

Earlier in August, 1996 Ethiopian Army Attacks 3 Towns in Border Region of Somalia By JAMES C. MCKINLEY JR. Published: August 10, 1996 Ethiopian troops, tanks and helicopter gunships have crossed the border into western Somalia and attacked three towns, killing scores of people, a Somali Muslim fundamentalist faction charged today. Workers for a Kenya-based Western relief organization confirmed the attack. High-ranking officials of a Somali group called the Union of Islam said two battalions of Ethiopian troops with tanks and helicopter gunships had seized the Gedo region of southwestern Somalia in fighting on Thursday night and this morning. The group said that the troops, tanks and helicopter gunships had swept through the towns of Dolo, Beled-Hawo and Lugh, and that the fighting was continuing. The area of the fighting is adjacent to the ******, a harsh desert region controlled by Ethiopia but populated almost entirely by ethnic Somali nomads. In 1977, Somalia and Ethiopia waged a bitter war over control of the region. Ethiopia eventually prevailed with heavy support from the Soviet Union and Cuba. Still, nationalist sentiments still run high among many of the Somalis living there. The towns under attack are a stronghold of the Union of Islam, a fundamentalist Islamic group that with the collapse of central authority in Somalia, has carried on the fight for the ******'s independence from Ethiopia. The group has claimed responsibility for three bombings and one attempted assassination inside Ethiopia since January. In a statement released in Nairobi, Kenya, the fundamentalists said that more than 100 civilians and an unknown number of militiamen had been killed and that thousands of Somali families were fleeing because of the Ethiopian attack. The group said Dolo and Lugh had been captured by the Ethiopian forces and warned that the Ethiopian Government would have to bear the consequences of what it called a savage attack on Somalia. ''We declare a holy war against the Ethiopians,'' said the group's leader, Sheik Hassan Dahir Aweys. ''The invasion just shows the longtime desire of Ethiopia to occupy part of Somalia.'' Michael Gerber, director of the African Medical Research Foundation, told Reuters that four members of his staff had been evacuated by air from Lugh to Kenya today after the town was attacked. ''They heard gunfire at 6 this morning,'' he said, ''and it got more and more extreme, so they called by radio two hours later for evacuation. Mr. Gerber said the European Union Humanitarian Operations agency had sent in a plane for the evacuation but it had been unable at first to land because three helicopter gunships had been flying in the area around Lugh. ''Our people felt they definitely came from Ethiopia,'' he told Reuters. ''They were attacking Lugh. Our staff at the airport as they left saw Lugh under missile or artillery fire from across the Ethiopian border.'' No faction in Somalia is believed to have any aircraft. An Ethiopian Foreign Ministry spokesman in Addis Ababa declined to comment on the reports of the invasion, Reuters and BBC Radio reported. Since the collapse of central authority in Somalia after the overthrow of President Mohammed Siad Barre in 1991, rival clans have carved the nation up into fiefs, ruled mostly by young clansmen with guns. The Islamic Union is a faction made up of fervently religious people, mostly from the ******i clan in Somalia. The group controlled Dolo and Lugh, having turned them into tiny Islamic city-states ruled according to strict Koranic codes. Even cigarette smoking was considered a crime in Lugh. The group, which has offices in Mogadishu, has also claimed responsibility for a violent campaign inside Ethiopia aimed at gaining independence for the ****** region. In January, a bomb at a hotel in Addis Ababa killed one person. A month later another bomb at a hotel in Diredawa took three lives. On Aug. 5, a third blast killed another man at a hotel in the capital. The Islamic Union has also said it was behind the attempted assassination of an ethnic Somali who is the Transportation Minister in the Ethiopian Government, Dr. Abdul Majid Hussein. Dr. Hussein heads a political party in the ****** that opposes breaking away from Ethiopia and is seen by some Somalis as a tool of the governing party. He was seriously wounded by gunfire outside his office in Addis Ababa in early July. He is now recovering at a hospital in Israel. New York Times

As late as 1999, Ethiopia and the SNF were engaged in one of the most protracted and intense combats: Sunday, June 6, 1999 Published at 17:27 GMT 18:27 UK World: Africa Somali faction accuses Ethiopia In south-western Somalia, the Somali National Front has accused Ethiopian troops of human rights abuses. The SNF says that the Ethiopians were mistreating civilians and had detained some prominent business and religious leaders at Luq in the Gedo region. It has accused Ethiopia of supporting a breakaway SNF faction which had taken contol of the area. Ethiopia has made no comment on the Somali reports. From the newsroom of the BBC World Service BBC

we in Somaliland make our case in the battlefield ( which is where it matters the most in the first instance ). For, it was known through several generation of inter-marriage that we as a warrior clan used to treat is not going to cut them any slack in where it matters the most which is the battle-field. Nin baa tiriyey: Waligiina sabuubah dagaal waa u sidanaan jiray'e Soomalidoo idil hadaan sarac u faalleeyo Sinjigaanu nahay geesinimo waa'u saxiix dhigay'e Say Oodweyne, Laascaanood's latest skirmish of days ago, initiated and encapsulated by internal and fairly domestic affairs, has become a boost to thy ego has it not? Odeygii waa igu yiri jalaataad Caso Populare ku dhuuqeysey berrigaan London cimiladeedu la saaxiib ahaa ayaa meenta gelley iyo birtiisi sifaalo ka bixiyey ragna ugu faanay, cajaaib! I think dear old Ms. Nephthys ( ), who is far more attuned this kind of argument, will easily picked up where I was going with that line (and for clarification, in-terms of how culturelly-attuned she is, read her contribution at the general section of the forum about that Goobile thingy).... Nephthys is this true? Oodweyne alleging you have been giving Goobille lessons around the forum? How did a woman of the Western sands, as Oodweyne seems to say, become cultured in the nomadic dances played Beled-Xaawo and Baardheere than Qabri-Dahare? Hadaad diyaar tahay, let me see a stanza, being a former professional in the dance, only I can decide if you are as professional as you say Goobille Goobilow Goobille Saar Gedood Waxaan Goobille tumaa U guuxaa saar Gedood Markay gurigiisu tahay Gu'giisoo toban dhamayn Gar iyo xaajada falloow Goobille Goobillow..! Haye Nepthys

Paragon- Waa hagaag adeer, qaalinimadaan kugu jeclahay.

Originally posted by ThePoint: ^Yes A/Y is the sole reason the country is in this mess. Before him it was all - kumbaya! Talk about an insult to one's intelligence. :rolleyes: Yes Point, A/Y personification of Somalia's problem in recent times. People such as I were wrong to turn against the ICU for whatever reason, but no one but Abdullahi Yusuf is more responsible for the incursion of Ethiopia and the destruction of life that continues to take place in Mogadishu and elsewhere. He would have been responsible for the same thing in places such as Kismaayo were he not politically outmaneuvered in regards to his overlords, i.e Ethiopians. The essence of the argument put forth by individuals on your side is to sit down now, at the last hour, with Abdullahi Yusuf affording him a form of political redemption. That, I trust you now understand, is simply not feasible!

North- It is really simple! People have decided to put down their masks for once! Paragon and the rest, I disagree. When discussing something, you have to have legitimacy to discuss it. As a student of international relations, I trust you understand the importance of reputation for policy-making. For some, as clever Ayoub had recognized, Kismaayo was the hand that peels off the facade! Maanta dhan waxa dadka lagu maaweelinayo waa Abdullahi Yusuf la fadhiista. Inaa lilaah, war ilaahaan idinku dhaariyaye, sabab? Dee dhibki baa batay. Oo miyuusan Abdullahi Yusuf dhibkaas ka mas'uul ahayn? Maya, maya Abdullahi Yusuf iyo beeshayada waa la garan daran yahay ee dabka idin ku daaran baa idinka damayo. OO waayahye dabku yaa daaray? Mooji. ^^The crux of their argument! That is an insult to the our intelligence!

Originally posted by Laba_Xiniinyood: No one knows for certain who they truly were/are. Theye originally used to be clased as the derogatory ****/Madhibaan . After the murder of Ugaas Maxamad Da'ud , from which every single *****-tribe took blood money from them, it was announced that all ties with them should be severed. And so it happened. It was only during Siyad Barre's rule, some hundred years later, that Mr. Barre himself declared that the Ilka Yar in fact belonged to his tribe and were then re-instatd back into the society. Ileen adeer dadku way iska hadlaan. I would be legitimizing your drivel if I were to respond but for your own sake, try to match your story. You say they "have always lived in Baardheere and Gedo" and nobody knows where they come from yet you then say that after the murder of the Ugaas I mentioned, they were treated as outcast and branded by the whole tribe as a people they would have no contact with. Correlate your story adeer, the net does have a habit of making many people into experts. What do people who supposedly have always lived in Gedo/Baardheere and whose origin unknown, as you say, have to do with the murder of a traditional figure in Qardho in what is today Bari Region and what would they also be doing in Wardheer Region of Ethiopia living among their kin if they are people "found" somewhere? Caku balaayo. As for the rest of your hogwash Kismaayo summarization you sound like a forumer who used to go by Caamir, a man coming from your ends and convinced by the false cries of H-ism engineered by Baashi and his kind to find more support for their futile effort. To that I say, Good luck! Puntland State in its present condition could use some of that love. [ February 02, 2008, 01:47 AM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

Originally posted by Ducaysane: Baashe do you mean Sugulle wiil uu owoow u yahay baad isku class ahaydeen. plus sugule wuxuu dhalay waxaa ugu yar 60 yrs old qof jira [/QB] The important thing is he has managed to show us all the extent of his internal bitterness. So much for reconciliation when you have been caught lying and dig a deeper hole for yourself shredding whatever credibility and dignity one had. He has made many excuses in his last post but the shift is undeniable from his earlier post: he now says some of Kismaayo's top citizens were reer Gedo. Rageedi The history of Kismaayo in the 80's that has been de-classified: a city with a small elite and burgeoning refugee population! You should not have tried to bite the hand that fed you..

Originally posted by Nephthys: Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the name "*****" the madhibaan's of Siyaad Barre's tribe? Madhibaan is the clan that houses Reeru waa rag and Shalaan degnay Nephthys. As for the term itself, yes it describes a sub-clan that historically has been discriminated against for the murder of the Ugaas of the clan, one Ugaas Maxamed Da'uud. Do you understand the term "takxir"? Well they were forced to undergo that process until the last murder of an Ugaas, one Siraaji, when the clan decided to forgo all past grievances. These events would not even matter to people outside of the clan till clansmen of Baashi could not take the heat of battle and decide to sit around like woman and demean. Then came Aydis and I trust he knows the connotation better than I do. [ February 01, 2008, 11:29 PM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

Originally posted by Baashi: [QB] I won't argue with ***** when it comes to Kismayo. It won't just do. I can put up all other craps spewed in this forum. I just can't talk about kismaayo with galti . I should have heeded the advice kindly given to me by my fella hommie. It is really sickening!!! ***FACT CHECKING*** Baashi, I brought you to Kismaayo and I sent you packing. Where is the argument? [ February 01, 2008, 11:28 PM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

Xiin, that is irrelevant to the greater topic but if I can so remind you, it was a topic in which young Dhubad or Abaadir, if I am not mistaken, also joked "all our fathers were born somewhere else" or something of that nature. Either way that is minor to the greater argument Xiin-oow!

Here is where Inna Yussuf and his cohorts come into equation. While they are not from there, their fellow clan members call the area their home. They share the city with other Somalis namely Afmadow folks. The lower Juba province has about 113 townships. The majority are ****** and *****. There are Baajuuni, Bantu, ******, *****, and ******. Their primary occupation is fisheries, farming, and livestock (primarily raising cattle). Gedo boys have no single township their folks can call home. Ayoub I will touch on your double natives input. In one of our Kismaayo debates, Xiin has used against me "I was born in the city, you were not" and I simply asked him "was your father born there" and he failed to respond. The truth of the matter is that Kismaayo, the city, was burgeoning with those Baashi calls "his clan" in the 80's and late 70's. This is primarily as a result of the Dabo-dheer drought inwhich thousands of affected drought victims in Nugaal and Bari were airlifted by the late Siad to populate the fertile southern regions. These fertile regions have the ability to house and feed the whole of the Somali race. Waa xaqiiqo adeer. This fact coupled with the American interest in the Kismaayo sea-port, at that time sparsely settled, is what led Siad Barre to populate those drought victims en mass in Kismaayo. What Baashi continuously evokes as his "sense of ownership" was an humanitarian act undertaken to give his suffering people a chance to recoup. This is akin to refugees housed in Dhadhaab now claiming ownership of the land in the state of Kenya! This is the political card he resorts to despite the fact that nationally, Somalis became more interconnected than any other period in history and that I, who was born in Mogadishu, cannot be called a "native" any more than an individual of Aydiid's clan who came to Mogadishu after or during the civil war. Well how do, then, the Gedo clans as a whole come into the Kismaayo picture you ask? Simple really, it was because of General Morgan! But even before that while Kismaayo was a Somali city governed by a Somali president, the majority of the greatest and most wealthiest businesspeople in Kismaayo were all from the Gedo clans. I read with some laughter Baashi saying this clan did not have single business to its name in that city and that all of what was contained in Kismaayo belonged to his clan. Ask him, however, if he forgot that out of Kismaayo's top tier businesspeople only Uunlaaye was from his clan. Did it miraculously escape him that people such as Cascaseey, Xareed and Bashiir Yarrow, reer Sugulle, Hussein Wayne; people who had owned the hotels, the real estate, controlled the trade routes between Kismaayo to Tanzania, were all from the Gedo clans or that some of the few governors, Suggule, appointed by the Italians in Kismaayo were from the Gedo clans! As for why this clan now majority populates Kismaayo, the story is really simple and one Baashi and Xiin can tell better than any of us. Of course it starts with Col Cumar Jees declaring war on their clan as "vagrants brought to the land by Siad Barre", then Morgan going to Gedo to call for help, receiving the help and being crowned King of Kismaayo, than betraying the Gedo clans in the middle of the Ethiopia-Al Itihad war in Gedo sensing weakness and reinforced by mass migration from Puntland regions to Kismaayo at that time, then being chased out in 1998, one full decade ago! So you see Ayoub, the man Baashi and his reconciliation are a farce. What he is advocating for is pure revenge, revenge for the actions undertaken to put a lid on the aggression of Morgan and his clansmen. If he was for reconciliation, common sense would say he would be a bit more honest on the issues he feels directly affect him. This is where a man's credibility is made or undone. p.s. Oh and Baashi, some of the townships in the Lower Jubba that have always been populated by Gedo pastoralists span Beerxaani to Salagle. Igu qabso wakaase. [ February 01, 2008, 11:19 PM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

Baashi give it a rest adeer. That every single individual in this topic has come out to speak against you should manifest as something of an epiphany to you but clearly this is not case. Either of two reasons can your behavior be explained: (1.)you are dense and this negatively impacts your ability to comprehend or (2.) your objective was never honest discourse. Knowing your history I am of the second opinion so I will not waste too much thing in summarizing what you have brought to the table and the definite response given by the plethora of responders. Baashi: Accept the reconciliation now that my adeer is facing the last months of his mandate! Responders: No! ^^Does that seem like rocket science? Simple is it not? Xiin- I await your response adeer!

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^lol@the crime. Dont be lazy Horn, address the q; what happens if this entity lasts beyond 09? Simple answer Xiin, it will not! See the mandate of the TFG is not decided by few crooks somewhere in Somalia but by the legitimacy and international recognition bestowed on it by those who fill their coffers, i.e international community! No one has to tell you that, to the rest of the world, Somalia can go to hell for all it is worth. No major capital on earth gives a fig about the state of Somalia and this is primarily why the mandate of the TFG will not continue simply because it will not be feasible for it to continue. Terrorism has long evaporated from the tables of the major international policy-makers, at least in so far as the Somali state is concerned, and with it went whatever attention Somalia could have mustered from the halls of the EU or the corridors of Washington. In fact, I would go so far as to say those countries attribute the rise of the ICU as a liability that entangled them in a land they had completely forgotten and would view the ending of the TFG mandate as a chance to free themselves from the burden once more. All signs and the lesson of their conduct with the TFG pre-ICU all point to this direction Xiin-oow! Xaaladu adeer cid ay ka indha tirantahay ayaana jirin, adigu iyo waxa kula siyaasad ahne indhaha fura! You say you are for dialogue and reconciliation yet you forget to consider whether the state of affairs of the Somali state, or what is left of it, is conducive for reconciliation. Adeer, with all due respect, reconciliation is realistically viable when there is a cessation of hostilities and all parts are in a mutual state of acceptance of the conditions to sit down and talk. In layman's terms, when there is not a single gunfire anywhere in Somalia and a child of Mogadishu is just as secure as a child of Boosaaso's! Otherwise adeer, Somalis will continue to be honor-bound to resist and to approach a man in the heat of battle with talks of reconciliation is as incredulous and laughable as it sounds. How can you champion reconciliation when Ethiopian bombardment in certain areas of Somalia is taking place at this instance? The whole notion is preposterous Xiin-oow! It will always be a mystery why you and Baashi have continuously failed to comprehend this crux underscored in the contention between you two individuals in one hand and Che and Isseh on the other hand. Somalia is not in a state where talk of reconciliation is even relevant let alone realistically viable. Lest you had forgotten Xiin, the war is still going on! Sure it may not be as wide-spread as Baashi continuously evokes but it is more intense with deadlier consequence as a result of Ethiopia's 11th o'clock arm flexing. What you then advocate is akin to enjoying the cake you have not baked Xiin-oow! To be fair to you, the ideals enshrined in your posts are respectable and even venerable. Somalia has suffered and its people have taken the brunt of that tragedy. From Kismaayo to Muqdisho to Gaalkacyo to Hargeisa, injustice has been committed and needs to be undone in a state of spiritual, moral, as well as physical forgiveness and repentance. Nothing is more worthier than being a champion of that argument, yet we cannot be so naive as to expect all Somalis to be in a state where they can mutually accept reconciliation. No, before that comes conditions and this is the Achilles heel of your argument Xiin!

No, Xiin. You have done naught but engage in an ad hominem designed to mask the implication of the question. As I have said before, the defendant does not get to decide the legitimacy of the crime.

By god, who would have thought the very term of "reconciliation" would become so unappealing! Then again, ought we not understand the use of any term as a form of empty political jargon does grave damage to its very nature? Reconciliation or any form of dialogue shall become legitimate after the ending of this year when the mandate of the TFG has expired.

Originally posted by Che -Guevara: [QB] quote: Anigu maxaa iga maqan aan u ciishooda? Hadaa wax kaa maqniin Markaykan maadan fadhisay. Think about that for sec before you open your mouth again! Waa runtaa adeer, it is as Xiin said it; hicis baa iga yimi. Anyways good luck.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: edit: nevermind Che, Horn wuxuu rimmanaa waa dhalay, dhicis bayna noqdeen! [/QB] I take it your sight has glanced upon my latter post.

Originally posted by Che -Guevara: [QB] Horn..Adeer waxma dhaantide na qaleey Xaashaalilaah adeer, cuqdad ninki ciilan bay u saaxiib tahay. Anigu maxaa iga maqan aan u ciishooda?

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^Horn, As always you are struggling to make a point! Allaha fasaaxa aad ku cabirto carrada xiin ka haysa ku siiyo. In that case, intaan is fahanno baan is cafin lahayn. Laakiin hadda waxba ma qabankaro... Xiin- To allow you to make a call on my "point" against you is to let a defendant describe the nature of his crime. That, I trust you understand, is hardly something to legitimize,. Since you will have it in lay-man's terms: you are a farce, Xiin, and your cover slips bit by bit to the rest of the contributers.

Xiin- Still entertaining SOL is an aspect of reality life and lip-singing will bring you some rewards from god knows where? You came close to being in dis group when courts came in miles of Galkacayo. That another individual saw fit to highlight this glaring discrepancy clearly should show you that your lip-singing is not paying off as much as you think it is.

Originally posted by AYOUB: As for Kismaayo, you seem to have misunderstood me. What I wanted to know is; what will you (and the likes of Baashi and Hornafrique) offer the marginalised natives of that city if they do turn up at the "negotiation dirrin" ? I am puzzled as to why you would also pose this challenge to Baashi and Xiin when Kismaayo concerns them as much as Hargeisa does to I (do not let Morgan's use of the SNF to defeat USC there and his attempts against the SNF using SRRC coalition confuse you), but I will address your challenge by providing the full and complete one-on-one reconciliation initiatives undertaken by reer Kismaayo for Kismaayo. These are but a samples of the conferences undertaken to forge good neighborliness and brotherhood with all the clans of that area including the Somali Bantu. 1. Reconcilition with one clan, Islamic shariah decided as law-system. 2. Deciding on peaceful reconciliation with all the peopls of the Jubba 3. Reconciliation with the Somali Bantu as equals using Shariah Law. 4. Reconciliation under Qurac tree with the clan of Beerxaani/Via Afmadow, Shariah Law to be adopted between the two clans. 5. Reconciliation with the clan of Mareerey, the foreign minister of the TFG at that time Cabdullahi Sheikh Ismacil signatory. 5.Reconciliation with the clan of Jilib, Shariah law drafted as law between the groups. As you can see Ayoub, I am puzzled as to why you would ask such a question unless you have been swayed by the realistically unavailable arguments put forth here by bitter e-fadhi ku dirirs like Baashi and Xiin. The peace conferences highlighted above are the reasons why the area of the Jubbas have been the most peaceful lands in all of Somalia, including Somaliland, for the past year or so. Those are the groups who matter but who are not heard above the propaganda of people whose only ties to the land was an act of Maxamed Siad Barre in which he brought former victims of the Dabo-dheer drought in north-eastern Somalia to the fertile south. They can scream as loud as they want (and they have been doing so for over 15 years now) but we have yet to see a brick moved by a shout.