Abu Geeljire, adeer I never made an excuse for Ethiopia. The supposition you are deriving from my statement is yours truly and the bane with suppositions is that they are not rooted in fact but merely assumptions. I tried to make you understand why an organization such as the Islamic Courts Union would see the creation of critics when in the reality we are one of the most Islamic nations in this world, at least in so far as by percentile is concerned. I never tried to make an excuse for Ethiopian support. Adeer with all due respect some of us have been resisting Ethiopian and foreign incursion into our nation even before you experienced your first inhalation of oxygen. I spoke principally on the ICU and why some opposed it, including myself in the latter part of its organized existence and that is because it was an organization driven by clan opportunists. I do not know if you understand the implication of what I am writing but when the ICU become a tool of clan opportunism, it entered the fray of Somalia's clan based civil war where moral superiority is absolutely moot. How can Muuse Suudi's and Qanyare's militia boys given cimaamado upon the defeat of those warlords have any superiority over anyone else? I will leave you to understand how this plays into dynamics on the ground. It is the best I can do to try to make you understand the situation yourself.

Abu Geeljire, this is exactly what I have tried to tell you. The same website (Kismaayonews) the individual who started this topic used is now joining a chorus of others saying a heavily armed large militia has left that city of Kismaayo and is now headed towards the areas captured by the Islamic-oriented group to potential oust them by force. Who succeeds if this fight occurs? Somali liberation or Ethiopia? What is the point of these maneuvers that will amount to nothing but a loss of resources that could be used against the real enemy who occupies sections of the country? War Deg Deg ah: Ciidamo Kismaayo ka tagay oo caawo duulaan kusii ah deegaanka kamsuuma Kismaayonews.com: Sida eey sheegayaan warar aan la xaqiijinin, ciidamo aad u farabadan, oo hubeysan, ayaa caawo ka baxay magaalada Kismaayo iyagoo kusii jeeda deegaanka kamsuuma oo eey shalayto qabsadeen xoogaga maxaakiimta islaamiga ah. wararka aan heleyno, oo laakiin aan wali la xaqiijin karin ayaa tibaaxaya, in ciidamo oo eey hor boodayaan saraakiil ciidan oo sheegey in Jillib iyo kamsuuma eey beelo qabsadeen, eey tahay in lagu duulo, dibna looga qabsado deegaanada eey qabsadeen, waxaana la sheegey in ciidamo aad u baddan eey ku baxeen dhanka Kamsuuma oo iyadu ku taala laamiga isku xiga Kismaayo iyo Jillib. lama garanayo halka eey ciidamad gaareen, mana jirto wax isku dhac ah oo lasoo sheegey, sida eey sheegayan dadka yaqaana dagaalada uma badna in isla caawo eey dagaalo dhacaan, waayo waa in marka hore ciidamada duulanka ah ay marka hore fariisan samaystaan, kadibna indhoindheeyaan xaalada meesha ka jirta. waxaa warar kale oo aan la xaqiijin sheegayaan in dooni hub wadda eey maanta kusoo xiratay meel ka baxsan xeebta Kismaayo, halkaas oo eey gawaarida maamulka kasoo daad gureeyeen, lama oga cidda hubkaasi keentey, waxaana la sheegayaa in awood 3 aad eey dabada ka wado ciidamada weerar tagay. [ <---This paragraph is amusing...this coming from the same source that backed Afgaduud and Koojaar in the last skirmish ] Wixiii kasoo kordha waan idinla soo socodsiin doonaa. Kismaayonews.com Kismaayonews

Adeer, this is not September 2006. That ICU of yesterday was rife with clan opportunists who succeeded in manipulating the true religious wishes of the people to wage "religious" wars for clan purposes. Since then, the groups have been sized down to the true, legitimate, honest supporters of an Islamic Somalia free of Ethiopian and foreign incursion. Today they are the ones fighting in Mogadishu and elsewhere while the clan opportunists could not manage to endure the heat and have since left the country. I can tell you many of the group's critics, including myself, have changed opinion since then. It is a disappointment to see this group to continue surprise attacking peaceful Somali areas and wasting limited resources they desperately need when Ethiopia still physically occupies segments of Somalia including the capital city. I see that as a disappointment and only those whom I have long analyzed as the clan opportunists, including the starter of this topic, see it as a moment of felicitation. Haye, ka daroo dibi dhal!

Originally posted by Abu_Geeljire: quote:Originally posted by HornAfrique: As much as I would like the specific group I am from to support the liberation of the nation from the Ethiopian forces who have seized with impunity sections of it What if the Ethiopians helped liberate a beloved home town from evil guys with evil cimamads? :confused: Perhaps you should be sent to the kiddy corner?

As much as I would like the specific group I am from to support the liberation of the nation from the Ethiopian forces who have seized with impunity sections of it, I cannot help but be turned off by the tribalistic motives that become apparent after the veneers are pealed off every often. U baroor jeclidaa in Kismaayo iyo meela aan Xabashi joogin shacab ku le'daan. I caution you to use your sources well. During the Afgaduud events of yesterday, Kismaayonews was one of Duke's favorite sources and the disappointment is apparent. The militia in Kismaayo has already left that city heading towards the areas taken by the invading forces and have told them to leave, do not see them as enemies, but if they do not will be forced to. Ilaahay meesha ha nabdeeye, balse anigu waxay ila tahay in lays xiniinyo taabtay, rag is xiniinyo taabtayne alaa kala qaban karo.

Jilib has long been hotbed of banditry where robbing of innocent travelers from Mogadishu to Kismaayo is rife. Its seizure by Islamic oriented groups will certainly alleviate the problem but the truth of the matter is a hold cannot be sustained. As a consequence, the groups will apparate out of thin air, take necessities, and vanish as is part of their guerrilla strategy. Still, I can sure you with the utmost knowledge that the groups have a very vibrant and loyal base not only there but throughout the whole Jubba Valley including Gedo region. It would be wise of them to take advantage of this support base if they are to truly see the back of Ethiopia from Somalia.

Ileen Zaylici wuu noolaa. Ii waran duqa, the youtube clips are fascinating. Inshallah I will watch the rest of your channel.

Asmara group never mattered. Al Shabaab is what matters. Adan Cayrow, Mukhtaar Roobow, Fu'aad Shangole, Xassan Turki...these are the men who matter. The Asmara group was only there to legitimize the TFG. Call it "talks" when if Al Shabaab sits down with Ethiopia.

M-ooryaan min Boosaaso ilaa Kismaayo meel aysan daadsanayn majirto. Alle haynaga qabto shartooda. Duke, why is it that Kismaayo warrants such an attack from few Puntland based websites while you have kept quiet about the disintegration of law and order in Puntland?

Originally posted by Koora-Tuunshe: quote:Originally posted by HornAfrique: Current Somalia Players: -The U.S.A -Ethiopia -Al-Shabaab. The notion that the TFG and the "opposition" can sit down on a issue in which they are not the prime players is really beyond laughable. Some people also make the strong argument that if it weren't the support of the United States, Ethiopia would have disintegrated into an ethnically inspired secessionist states. I see that you acknowledge the super power status and its utility of soft and sharp power in shaping and observing peace in today's world. American interference in Somalia is not perceived. It is apparent. The cyclical bombings of certain parts of Somalia is evidence enough. Ethiopian military is currently in Somali soil with the blessings of the U.S. This is also apparent. Abizaid and Centcom's generals meeting with the Ethiopian military establishment on an established basis is evidence enough. Al-Shabaab is now the main military force resisting Ethiopian interference. Their ideology is Ethiopia is forced to evacuate or we die trying. This seems the only thing to come out of its leader's mouths. Al-Shabaab is considered a terrorist organization and will never be accepted by the U.S as a legitimate force in the Horn. Al-Shabaab, itself, has no intentions of being accepted by the U.S or laying down arms until Ethiopia is in Somalia. The fighting continues. How does the TFG and whatever "opposition" fit into the equation? The whole notion is laughable. The TFG existed as long as the ICU existed in Somalia. The West needed the opposite "good guy" to raise up as a legitimate entity in Somalia. With the destruction of the ICU, the TFG has reverted back to what it was previously; irrelevant.

Current Somalia Players: -The U.S.A -Ethiopia -Al-Shabaab. The notion that the TFG and the "opposition" can sit down on a issue in which they are not the prime players is really beyond laughable.

Can you think of one major event that was occurring at that time that is very similar to today? An event including Ethiopian military power, Somali warlords, Islamic groups, indifference from other Somalis, and the same wholesale destruction of life and property?

^Touch up on your history. The concept Punt might have included Eritrea and Sudan has long been negated. Every sign including the type of Frankicense most desired by the Ancient Egyptians points to the area between Berbera and Boosaaso.

It is rare for Amnesty International to deliberately target the U.S. This must be a case they feel strongly about. Even though this will not make much of difference (the U.S believes it is answerable to none...even opposes ICC), the saying is "where A.I goes, the rest (human rights groups) go. Be prepared for more activism on the Somalia issue! In due process, that can change policy particularly so if the Democrats unseat the Republicans in the general elections.

Originally posted by Emperor: Horn, anytime A.qasim is mentioned waa inaad is cuncuntaa miyaa? The good old days of being Jnr JVA is really memorable miyaa On a serious note, Aside from summits at the UN or Arab league A.qasim never met head of states, not the likes of dominant Gulf states, not the dominant cultures in Europe neither the China's super power... When A.qasim was President the TNG was a joke Sxb, ask Muse Suudi Sxb Cabdiqasim did meet many groups but even so what importance does it have today? The fact of the matter is many of the photo-ops Cabdullahi Yusuf has been in recently are a result of Somalia's somewhat heightened visibility level since the rise of the Islamic Courts and the direct re-interference of the U.S. At the end of the day, the important thing is not going to be did Abdullahi Yusuf meet King hebel or Sarkozy, but what was done about the situation in Somalia. I mean if you even look at this visit to France, Abdullahi Yusuf asked for Frenc troops (do his advisers not know about international norms?), the French responded the pirates in our captivitiy are your extended family right? Nothing will change in Somalia, in fact certain parts have become excessively worse off, and wasting time on a photo-op that is a novelty to a man in Abdullahi Yusuf's position is only trying to ignore the reality.

Less than a year from now Emperor-oow you will be posting pictures such as this: Abdiqasim at the U.N Abdiqasim at the Arab League Hold very tight to them because that is all they will be soon; mere pictures. In the meantime the country...well a country doesn't exist.

Duke oo Gaagaab farta ku fiiqay waa arrin lagu farxo. Duke armuu miyirki kugu soo laabtay?

Originally posted by Xoogsade: Waakaase hadduu run sheegaayo qabiilkaan ka dhashay wax haka sheego ... Berrito marku maqlo they joined the insurgents in droves and abandoned ship , that is when it will get dicy for my ilk Xoogsade, you have just admitted here your "ilk", whomever they maybe, are now in cahoots with the forces Duke supports. If this is the case, are Duke and Emporer not accurate in describing you as a passive-aggressive tribalist (my terms here) for your earlier assertion in the topic concerning the speech in Washington and the attendance? Originally posted by Xoogsade: They are from a single clan in their majority. Ther are no other somalis with decency in this shameful gathering. Don't lie about other somalis saxib, soomaalida isku caqli iyo dadnimo ma ahan, while these clanists celebrate their warlord's ignobility, miliions of somalis are suffering both emotional and physical losses.

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ilaahay hau naxariisto, Xabashi meeshey istaagto kheyr kama socdo.

Jb, adigu sow maahayn garaadki yiri bishiiba laba jeer ayaan war so bandhigaa ee maxaa layga rabaa markaan warkaas soo bandhigo? Alxamdulilaah JB-oow! Dhubad, ilaahay Somaliyoo idil nabada ha gaarsiiyo aamiin sax baad ku tahay adeeroow.

New Gov. Xuseen Shiikh Cabdi Ismaacil in the dark blue. Congrats! TFG (Abdullahi Yusuf) appointed gov Cirro O-Xirsi congratulates Governor-elect Xuseen!

Mudane Xuseen Fareey Oo Ku Guuleystay Doorashadii G/GEDO Apr 29,2008 by Garbahaarey-GEDO-NN Maamul cusub ayaa maanta loo sameeyey Gobolka Gedo kadib markii dhowaan lagu guuleystay in maamulo heer degmo ah loo sameeyo ilaa 6degmo oo ka tirsan Gobolkan, iyadoo maamulka maanta la doorteyna uu bedeli doono maamul heer gobol ahaa uu Madaxweynaha KMG u magacaabey Gobolka Gedo mudo laga joogo labo sano. Tartanka Doorshada uu si habsami leh ugu dhacay Xarun ku taala Magaalada Garbahaarey ayaa jawiga waxuu ahaa mid si weyn loo soo agaasimay,waxaana Goobta doorshada goob jog ka ahaa dadweyne kor u dhaafayey Boqolaal dadweyna ah,oo ay ku jiraan Xildhibaano ka tiran Barlamaanka KMG iyo Wakiilo ka kala socdey Wasaaradaha Arrimaha Gudaha iyo wasaarada Gobolada iyo dib u heshiisiinta DF. Jagada Gudoomiyaha Gobolka Gedo oo ay u tartamayeen ilaa 3Xubnood ayaa waxaa ku guuleystey codoyntii la sameeyey Xuseen Sh.Cabdi Ismaacil(Xuseen farey)oo tiradii codadkii 32 xubnood ahayd ayaa waxaa uu ka helay ilaa 19 xubnood,sidoo kale Jagada Gudoomiye ku xigenka labaad oo labo qof ay u tartamayeen ayaa waxaa ku guuleystey Maxamed Cabdi Kaliil oo helay ilaa 20 cod. Sidoo kale Jagada Gudoomiye ku xigenka Labaad oo ay u tartamayeen 3 qof ayaa waxaa ku guuleystey Maxamed Xuseen Buraale(John) Cod dhan 26 xubnood,waxaana isla maanta halkaasi lagu soo gabagabeeyey olole tartan doorasho oo in mudo ahba ka soconayey Degmada Garbahaarey. Markii lagu dhawaaqey in Xusen Farey uu ku guuleystey Jagada Gudoomiyaha Gobolka ayaa hadal kooban oo uu halkaasi ka jeediyey Gudoomiyahii xilka sii hayey Aden Ibraahin Aw-xirsi ayaa waxaa uu sheegay in uu soo dhaweynayo nidaamka ay ku dhacday doorshada,waxuuna balan qaadey in uu la shaqeyn doono Gudoomiyaha Cusub. Gudoomiyaha Cusub oo la hadleyey dadweynaha iyo Masuuliyiintii kala duwaneyd ee goob jooga ka ahaa doorashada ayaa isna waxuu balan qaadey in si daacadnimo ah uu ugu shaqeyn doono bulshada ku dhaqan Gobolka Gedo. Waa markii labaad tan iyo waxii ka dambeeyey burburkii dowladii hore ee Soomaaliya maamul heer gobol ah loo sameeyo Gobolka Gedo,sanadkii 2005 tii ayey ahayd markii ugu horeysay oo Maamul heer gobol ah loo sameeyo Gobolka Gedo,xilligaasi oo maamul ay so dhistey UNOSOM ay doorteen Gudoomiye Gobol iyo ku xigeeno.

Originally posted by General Duke: Hey leave Horn alone lads. As for your comments dear horn, Al Shabaab's tactics were perferected on your miltiamen in Buaale, remmeber the complaints whent hey slaughtered your prisoners. Or remmeber how much fuss you made when they "clan militais" as you called them then chased uncle Hiiraale. Now whats with the new found faith? Or did your miltia men not execute religious elders in Kismayu a few months back. Come on stop the farts lad, Al Shabaab is the topic and not little Dr Riad Block Taano and those clowns. Dont get yourself in the topic Horn. Welcome first smithy. It has been a while. On your points, do you want to check yourself or shall I? I never accused "AL Shabaab" of anything. Infact go back in my forum record and see my contention has always lied with the people I rightfully labeled clan opportunists. I have never had a bane with the Islamic Courts nor of the true believers amongst them. There is a difference between them and the clan opportunists that were so rife among them at that time. I am sure you know it better than I do. However, do you mean to tell me Al Shabaab is now your smokescreen to avoid the fact so much despair and agony is being showered on Mogadishu by Ethiopian soldiers? Smith, I may not have been the biggest supporter of the ICU but nothing in my conscience will ever allow me to accept much less defend the suffering in Mogadishu. How in the world do you tie the two together? Ninbrown, in the other topic you were defending Jimcaale in a tasteless thread. Adeer raastadaas ayaan farta kuugu fiiqayaa ee kusii soco bal. Kane la yiraahdo Abtigiis&Tolka halkee ka yimid. Adeer naftaaduba waad wareersantahay kolay iska sii soco. Naxarnugaaleed, waligaa goormaad murti sheegi jirtay? Lazy so maaaha. Emporer, leave me out of this madness eedo, I have no beef with hornka, wiilka repping the one and only Tuulo hebel, the heck with the rest of the country, "maxaa iga gale attitude leh, but wait, I hate yey too"... So maaha@horn. I do admit; it is a sad day for Somalinimo.

98% of your rebuttal is dedicated to something I have never insinuated! Check yourself adeer, clearly you just want to engage me in discussion!