Originally posted by unknown1: But a commander of a local clan militia said they had not been routed by the Islamists, claiming they made "a tactical withdrawal to avoid large number of civilian casualties." "There is no complete takeover and our forces will regain the control of Kismayo in a very short time," said Mohamud Hassan... ... "It is a matter of a day or two before we get Kismayo back," said another militia commander who spoke on condition of anonymity. This is what our comrades Duke and Emporer fail to take into consideration. Don't let this be a very short-lived festivity. Fighting was several phases: 1. Inter sub-clan. 2. Barre Hiiraale vs. remnants of Al Shabaab who came to support their ideology brothers in Hiiraale sub-clan. 3. Barre Hiiraale and supporters vs. the Unholy Alliance that took advantage of the meelee. Reer Gedo did not fight as a unit! Not at a single time in the battle. What you see is not a capture of Kismaayo nor a defeat of reer Gedo but a retreat from the city to organize the clan itself. Who is with who essentially. They are now sitting outside the city organizing themselves, not militarily...but as a political unit. Duke and Emporer enjoy your festivities as long as they last.

Money, International Criminal Court does the bidding of the Western governments that built it. Why would Omar Al Bashiir, the president of Sudan no less, be accused of genocide but not George Bush who oversaw the, now understood to be, illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq? Where hundreds of thousands of lives have been lost and cities destroyed? To make this easier for you, how can a mere civil servant of the U.N (the special representative to Somalia of the secretary-general) file an indictment against members of a governmental institution that exists because of the money and support of Western powers who this as a fight against Islamic extremism? You have got to wake up and smell the coffee adeer, Somalis do not do themselves any service with these ludicrous rumours. Nimankaan xabad halagu bixiyo, lakin waligaa intaad meel fadhiisatid haku riyoon raga hubka iyo maalka siiyo baa maxkamad kuu saarayo. Ridiculous!

Duke, Al-Shabaab is not a clan. If you believe it to be a clan, hear me well; it is not a clan. Al Shabaab exists in Garowe, in Baardheere, in Beled-Weyne, and Marka. You should not be surprised when local Al Shabaab make news in their local environment. You should expect it.

Emperor that you addressed my rebuke instead of the disgusting celebratory topic from a man who used to have "Allah" as his signature is telling enough. Sidaan u arkay, dad badan baa kaafirnimo u dhaw Alaa i lehe. Allamagan, salaamulaah bro. Amiin.

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Originally posted by Al Burcaawi: Shabab are fighting an occupation awoow. Lets make that crystal clear. Any spread by force is obviously wrong and I will never agree to it but you're implying that Islam is being spread by force as we speak! Lets not mislead the gallary odayga. His questions are actually legitimate. What you see as "spread by force" in a scenario where Al Shabaab goes to Somaliland after winning the south, that organization would actually view it as a natural extension of their rule to a natural land that should, and will be under their sovereignty. So what is it? Do you support Al Shabaab, and the Islamic resistance which will not discriminate bringing Islamic rule to the northwest based on petty clan or political divisions or are you just against the TFG/Ethiopia? If you say Al Shabaab, I will accept your position as holistic since it refuses TFG/Ethiopia and supports Islamic rule in one breath but if you say you are just against TFG/Ethiopia then I will accept your position as only favoring that which you see is beneficial to Somaliland, i.e. sticking to clan politics.

Inaad *** tahay, maantaanad cadayse. Nin diintiisa u shahiida ayaad ka dabaal dagaysaa. Geeridu waa xaq, waana lawada dhiman balse waxaa jirto maalin adigu iyo Asbaroba kii idin abuuray laydin hor istaajin doono. What will you do then!

Rag rag dhalay. Ku dayasho mudan!

Che, perhaps you should reread the question! Adeer it is not a secret I was not a fan of the ICU in its latter time frame. This is something I have never denied as late as..yesterday! Again, find an excerpt in which I speak out against the Resistance, as in those resisting Ethiopia since the invasion and wholesale destruction of life and property in parts of Somalia! I will be back later to see if you have found anything.

Let's wait and see where he places the both of us.

Originally posted by General Duke: For anyone interested in a frank picture

Originally posted by Castro: quote:Originally posted by HornAfrique: Paragon, that is something I am cardinally against! Heshiis mawduuc buu leeyahay iyo hanaan loo galo. Heshiis xabashi lala galo ayadoo maato gumaadeeso wax heshiis ah uma arko, waa is dhiibitaan macnaheedu. You mean like Hargeysa and Boosaaso did? May be surrendering today, they have some long term strategic plans to defeat the Woyane. Then again, Hargeysa and Boosaaso were not bombarded by Ethiopians were they? Perhaps it is more easier to accept surrender when you have not been burned first? Still all that is beside the point, the reality is Somalis are being bombarded and to sit there and call for them to surrender is what it is...hypocritical.

Paragon, that is something I am cardinally against! Heshiis mawduuc buu leeyahay iyo hanaan loo galo. Heshiis xabashi lala galo ayadoo maato gumaadeeso wax heshiis ah uma arko, waa is dhiibitaan macnaheedu. No Castro, you do not understand what I am saying. Then again, you made a point of saying maybe that is what you believe I may have been implying so hear me out. The objective of my post does not concern giving war a chance or not. No. It is about one's loyalty to whatever ideal and where one's honest, genuine, humane feelings lie. If there is defensive struggle taking place, directed towards a foreign imperialist camp dedicated to destroying at all costs and making sure you bow down in the final scheme of things, where should our support and loyalty lie? In my estimation, there exists only one space for our loyalty and that is to the oppressed defensive camp facing constant destructive elements raining down on them. Now to turn around, declare yourself to occupy a singularly neutral location and say you "wish" for a peace talks channeled to end the hostilities between the camps is, I believe, a laughable and comic viewpoint in it altogether. However, that position would be understandable if the two camps were equal in strength, stature, and militaristic mechanisms whatever they maybe whether in hardware, logistics, or otherwise. That peace would then be a peace of equals, I am sure you would be quick to understand! But the two camps are not! So in fact, what the neutral camp is advocating for, whether they comprehend the situation for what it is nor not, is a surrender adeer and this is what I am opposed to and what I realize is the sought for end-game in the final scheme of things! Ama taageer ama afka hay, wax intaa ka dhaxayso majirto! Everything else is hypocritical posturing.

Paragon, Caabudwaaq is overfilled with fleeing civilians I have just been told. What a destructive combination drought and war is!

Xiin, it is almost deja vu that you responded as you did in a topic discussing Ethiopian attacks in parts of Somalia. Reminded me of a reply that is appropriate one would say You say you are for dialogue and reconciliation yet you forget to consider whether the state of affairs of the Somali state, or what is left of it, is conducive for reconciliation. Adeer, with all due respect, reconciliation is realistically viable when there is a cessation of hostilities and all parts are in a mutual state of acceptance of the conditions to sit down and talk. In layman's terms, when there is not a single gunfire anywhere in Somalia and a child of Mogadishu is just as secure as a child of Boosaaso's! Otherwise adeer, Somalis will continue to be honor-bound to resist and to approach a man in the heat of battle with talks of reconciliation is as incredulous and laughable as it sounds. How can you champion reconciliation when Ethiopian bombardment in certain areas of Somalia is taking place at this instance? The whole notion is preposterous Xiin-oow...Somalia is not in a state where talk of reconciliation is even relevant let alone realistically viable. Lest you had forgotten Xiin, the war is still going on! Sure it may not be as wide-spread as Baashi continuously evokes but it is more intense with deadlier consequence as a result of Ethiopia's 11th o'clock arm flexing. What you then advocate is akin to enjoying the cake you have not baked Xiin-oow. To be fair to you, the ideals enshrined in your posts are respectable and even venerable. Somalia has suffered and its people have taken the brunt of that tragedy. From Kismaayo to Muqdisho to Gaalkacyo to Hargeisa, injustice has been committed and needs to be undone in a state of spiritual, moral, as well as physical forgiveness and repentance. Nothing is more worthier than being a champion of that argument, yet we cannot be so naive as to expect all Somalis to be in a state where they can mutually accept reconciliation. No, before that comes conditions and this is the Achilles heel of your argument Xiin.

Che, I asked you a simple question. Where have you seen Horn defend Ethiopia or speak against the Resistance? Simple question, no? Save me the doc-ka-yeer adeer. You are as translucent as water.

Che, fiqi tolka kama jano tago baa la yiri. Having intense feelings of ina adeer solidarity nowadays eh? Where have you seen Horn defend Ethiopia or speak against the Resistance for you to give a juvenile jab as you had tried to do now?

Where are those hypocrites who don nationalist shirts and lip sync to calls of "talks" when parents and offsprings are still being killed in front of each other in parts of Somalia? Where is their peace and security? How sweet is it to see your towns and villages peaceful and free from warfare and have the luxury to speak of talks.

Somalia: Thousands Displaced Following Attack on Central Town UN Integrated Regional Information Networks 30 June 2008 Posted to the web 30 June 2008 Nairobi Officials in Guri-Eil town in Galgadud region have appealed for urgent help for thousands of people displaced after fighting between Ethiopian troops and insurgents over the weekend. "Most of the [30,000] residents and thousands of displaced fled the town after intense fighting between the Ethiopians and the insurgents on Sunday [29 June]," Osman Isse Nur, the deputy district commissioner, told IRIN on 30 June. He said the fighting began on 28 June when Ethiopian troops arrived in the area, "but was most intense on Sunday. At least 100 shells landed in the town last evening [29 June]." Nur said Guri-Eil, 440km north of Mogadishu, was hosting about 30,000 displaced people from Mogadishu, who were now again displaced. "Everyone is now a displaced person." He said people scattered in three directions. "Some have sought refuge in the northwest; others in the south and the rest have gone northeast," he said. Eleven people died in the fighting and 31 were injured, he said. Most of the displaced were reported to be sheltering on the outskirts of the town, without water, food or proper shelter. Zahra Abdulkadir, a mother of six, said: "I left Mogadishu to find peace here, now I am running again. I don't know when this will end." She said the shortages of water, food and shelter were their main problems. "We did not take much when we left and with the hot weather, there is no shelter from the sun," she added. She said many of the displaced were already weak and "could not last very long in the open. I don't know how long we will survive under these conditions." A local journalist told IRIN the two sides were still facing each other, "with insurgents digging in on both sides of the Ethiopian lines. They [insurgents] don't seem to be going anywhere." He said the town was quiet on 30 June but fears of a major military offensive had sparked another civilian exodus from the town. "Those who had not left last night are taking advantage of today's lull in the fighting to do so." Nur appealed for emergency aid for the displaced. "They have no shelter from the scorching sun, no water and no food." He said both the displaced and host community were reeling from the high inflation rate and drought, "and now this. We need help now," he said. Since fighting between Ethiopian-backed Somali forces and insurgents intensified in early 2007, about one million Somalis have fled their homes. An estimated 6,500 civilians have been killed. Aid workers estimate 2.6 million Somalis need assistance. That number is expected to reach 3.5 million by the end of the year if the humanitarian situation does not improve, according to the UN.

Dagaal Culus oo Caawa ka dhacay Magaalada Guri Ceel ee Gobolka gal gaduud. Submitted by wararka on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 17:04. Muqdisho.30.June.2008.(Sh.M.Network)-Wararka naga soo gaarayo magaalada Guri Ceel ee gobolka Gal gaduud ayaa waxa ay sheegayaan in Caawa uu ka dhacay dagaal laysku adeegsaday hubka nuucyadiisa kala duwan. Dagaalkaan oo dhaxmaray Ciidamada Ethiopia ee fariisinka ku leh duleedka magaalada guri ceel ee Gobolka Gal gaduud iyadoo aan la ogeyn qasaaraha soo gaaray dhinacyadii dagaalamay,waxaana dagaalkaan uu noqonayaa habeenkii sedaxaad uu ka dhaco dagaal. Qaar ka mid ah dadka deegaanka ee fara ku tiriska ah ayaa idaacada Shabelle waxa ay u sheegeen in caawa ay Weerar ku qaadeen xoogaga ka soo horjeeda joogitaanka Ciidamada Ethiopia iyo siyaasada dowlada KMG islamarkaana aan la ogeyn qasaaraha soo gaaray dhinacyadii dagaalamay. Dagaalka Caawa ka dhacay duleedka Magaalada guri Ceel ee Gobolka Gal gaduud ayaa waxa ay ku soo beegmaysaa xili maanta Ciidamada Ethiopia ay magaalada ku dileen ilaa laba qof oo rayid ah dhaawacna uu soo gaaray mid kale. * Somali

Originally posted by Xaaji_xundjuf: dee wa labbo wajilee ayhal munafaquna wa ehhlu naar xassan daahir aweys buu tageerii laha hadu xaqudiinal minal utul kitaab tageerii laha uu ay ka dhab tahay Laakin Ina cabdallah xassan na waan tageerya oo maanta umadiisii Woyane dhakada ka haystaan eeh mamuulku isagu tageerro dhiibti Ethiopiaan uu dhiibto , Dhinaca kale na waxaan ka tageeraya cadbilahi yusuf iyo xabashida oke what did the mad mullah say kufriga ayaad nabbiyo moodeen hadaad naassab tihiin gaaladaad nicii lahaydeen eeh u cant have it both ways EMPEROR Dee adeer isaga dul-qaata. It seems tribal goading is something to bask in luxuriously even when the abused issue is supposedly dear to our heart. "Brofessor"- Adeer, you seem to have a problem addressing me in appropriate topics. It almost seems a bit comedic that you responded to me first considering the quote I got there is from a topic you hightailed out of. I do not enjoy redundancy and responding to you is what I would label redundant. Understand, however, I have never been one to conceal my opinions and that is my opinion, whether it finds favor with you or not.

Originally posted by Nephthys: Horn , wax ma dhaantid Emperor adu laftaada. You're as 2 faced as they come......when the UIC lost Xamar to Xabashida and Yeey hired your addeer 'Huuraale', you turned them off like a TV set, but when the Shabaabs re-surfaced as a winner and your addeer got fired, you switched them on and butter them up! Ohhh the irony of it all!!! Isla yaab. Nephthys, Two faced? When the UIC lost Xamar, I turned them "off"? When my "adeer" got fired, I switched them "on"? Malaha imaad garanaysid? Ma barasho ayaan u baahanahay walaal kolayba wali imaad haybsane? I don't have the time nor the energy to write a lengthy rebuttal detailing to you why you seem to be, if for use of a blunt word, clueless about what you are discussing but I will say this Nephthys, I hope you do not go as ill prepared in your professional life as you came into this discussion. I have never been one to mince words or present faces that is not mine even when my positions are very unpopular. My legacy on this forum is a witness. To go back to point, I did not support the ICU during the second half because informed people knew and were extremely weary of the influence on the ICU by the people who helped finance them in the past. The ICU even at times seemed to be used as a vehicle by those people. It was only after the Ethiopian invasion, were the true religious elements able to completely break free and this is what I label the Resistance. Not the ICU pre-Ethiopian invasion but the Resistance of Roobow. My position and opinion on this is well known in this section. Just recently I wrote: The ICU was nothing but a clan opportunist organization filled to the core with opportunists and yesterday's marauding militia supported by the same enterprise who kept the Mogadishu warlords alive but hiding behind a thin veneer displaying a few religious good men around a table. The sorting of the genuine from the opportunists occured after the Ethiopian invasion, when the clan opportunists could not endure the heat an so ran while those of the genuine shiekhs such as Sheikh Turki, Cayroow, and Abu Mansuur continue fighting. Source Now to come back to point, why is that you find fault that I address Emporer head on, as I had addressed the ICU that was influenced, on the grounds of irony? I find it confusing why you or the rest of these individuals such as Xiin do not address Emporer in this naked and unabashed attempt to goad and taunt a tribal section of the Somali fabric when he is one of the most passionate defenders of the Ethiopian invasion and the destruction of life, liberty, and property in our capital city Mogadishu? If his intentions are sincere, how can he differentiate the Resistance in Somalia now and the fight of the Sayid, if he believes the fight of the Sayid to have been directed at foreign imperialism? If I may dare so ask, do you and the rest of these individuals approve of his goading?

Originally posted by Emperor: Horn, Adeer I pity you, any support or thereof lack of it of any 'religious' wars against foreigners centuries interval doesn't necessarily warant irony, there are different facts and discripancies on the ground. If you don't appreciate it, I do. Are you comparing, on one hand, Sayid Mohamed's struggle and hundred's of thousands of organised young dervish warriors with the least amount of conventional weapons agaisnt the British Empire which lasted for 21 long years, an on the other hand, the confused and brainwashed less than few dozens so called Alkebaab. Mate that's null and void I tell, Meelbaad uga dhacday sharaftii daraawiishta, xaal baan kuugu imaanaynaa aniga iyo laba darwiish ee isdiyaari . Again, this topic is not about me but a reminder of the struggle of one who can unite us all Somalis, so why avoid to comment and instead the necessity urge to change the intent of the thread. Adeer Somali baa tiri flaar gilgilasho kaama harto; feign ignorance as much as you so desire, I will not legitimize your juvenile concoction by responding in kind. Let me make this as clear to you as possible: there is no difference between the struggle of the Sayid and his Darwiish on one hand and the current Resistance in Somalia. No difference except for maybe the base clan makeup and this, adeer, explains your sordid attempt to differentiate the two campaigns built from the same cloth. I will not legitimize your drivel by responding in kind.

The irony here is Emperor starting a topic praising a man's resistance against foreign imperialism based on religious grounds!

Originally posted by Dabshid: ^habar dhali waydey aleelo ku waalatay, Adeer Baacda meelahaas la aad, Dadka waalan anigu la ma hadlo. Ballo! Dabshidoow yarka inaad saa ula hadashid aad baa looga roonyahay, bal noqoo jawaab kale sii adeer.