Duke, war jiraaba cakaarahu imaan. Oodweyne, Djibouti accord is not worth the piece of paper it was written on. Indhacade is today in Dhuusamareb--courtesy of Al Shabaab. Gone are the days of simplifying the situation into clan. That was the ICU days. Reorient your thinking and make sure you are not clouded by anti-D"ism" in your future commentaries. No clan can today claim to control the movement and any clan that attempts to do so is only misleading itself.

Originally posted by J.a.c.a.y.l.b.a.r.o: As for you, i didn't say you're flip flopping but more confused .... running after Al-Shabaab and coming against Rayaale and supporting Somaliland ,,,,,,,,,,,, you have so many ISKU DHEX KARIS in you. Exactly my point. I never accused the young man of flip flopping. I merely think his support to one of the two entities, either Somaliland or Al Shabab, is superficial if he is aware of the prevailing differences and naively confused if he is not aware. However, I have chosen to give him the benefit of the doubt and hinted he is just not aware.

Originally posted by RedSea: HORN, Ader you still haven't explained how u were pro tFg, anti tFg, pro UIC, and anti uic. All of this a man you love was flip flopping between these two groups and so you also flipfloped on these boards. You are a man with no principles adeer. Your whole world evolves around one man, col. barre hiiraale. Such hard man to find like you. And me oxomoron?? [/QB] Show waxu waaba ciyaal. Red Sea, I did not call you a flip flopper nor attacked you for anything. What I find puzzling is how you could support Al Shabaab and advocate for Somaliland at the same time which in it iself is an oxymoron. If you were supportive of the Maxaakiim, that is the old ICU, I could understand your dual support at the same time but the reality is Al Shabaab is phenomenon wholly different and it takes a special kind of individual made of special kind of fiber to support them. A support to them means a support directly against TFG/Somaliland/ and all other things considered "cilmaani" and worldly. Perhaps you have not gotten around to analyzing more deeply then you currently show. Adeer the same man you naively dedicated this topic to, on the basis of clan membership no less, is the same man who has promised to take the war north. The same "Amiir" Abu Zubeyr, a man even the more public Abu Mansur takes orders from, is the man who has long planned the demise of the "Somaliland" existence and wants the north to fall straight into Al Shabaab's hands. This is why I find the existence of your dual support an oxymoron. It is rather even comedic in a tragic sort of way. But the way, I admit I have changed positions, but you cannot accuse me of having contradictory stances on any one point such as you have currently.

Originally posted by The Zack: quote:Originally posted by HornAfrique: Good luck to the Boqor! Mid dadkiisa, dalkiisa, iyo diintiisa anfaco alle haka dhigo. dadkiisa ma aha, qabiilkiisa dheh. Qabiilkiisa kii anfaco allaha ka dhigo dheh maadaamo uu boqor qabiil yahay. Suldaan, Ugaas, iyo garaad kuli qabiil bay u madax duubanyihiin balse kuli waxay ka mid yihiin dadkooda iyo dalkooda. Kooda rabaa u hogaansami karo dadkiisa iyo dalkiisa marka kan sidaa haka dhigo.

The news is confirmed. Notice Allpuntland's tone concerning an "attempt to disintegrate the TFG". Muqdisho: Raysalwasaaraha Soomaaliya & Wasiirkiisa Warfaafinta Axmed C/salaan oo doonaya in ay Maxamed Dheere ka wareejiyaan hubkiisa,gaarka ah. 27. november 2008 APL Muqdisho(AllPuntland)- Raysalwasaaraha dawladda Faderaalka ee Soomaaliya Nuur Xasan Xuseen & Axmed C/salaan oo lugu eedaynayo in ay usoo tafo xeysteen Burburinta dawladda Faderaalka ee Soomaaliya, ayaa ku guda jira qorshe ay doonayaan in ay hubka kaga dhigaan Gudoomiyihii hore ee gobalka Banaadir Maxamed Cumar Xabeeb. Raysalwasaaraha ayaa wada hadalo kula yeeshay dhawaan Magaalada Muqdisho taliska ciidamada Itoobiya oo ay waayahaan isku fiicnaayeen, waxa ayna ka wada hadleen qorshayaal fara badan oo ku aadan Soomaaliya, siiba dhanka amaanka iyo Khilaafaadka isaga & Madaxweynaha Soomaaliya ka dhaxeeya. Nuur Cadde ayaa ka codsaday Saraakiisha Itoobiya in ay hubka ka dhigaan Maxamed Cumar Xabeeb, isagoo sheegay in hadii aan hubkaasi laga dhigin uu saameyn ku yeelan doono amaanka gobalka Banaadir, waxa ayna dad badan sheegeen in uu Nuur Xasan Xuseen cabsi ka qabo weerar kaga yimaada Maxamed Dheere. Nuur Cadde ayaa sidoo kale Saraakiisha Itoobiya markale codsigaasi ku celiyey markii la dhisay Maamul aan taageero badan ka heysan dadka Magaalada Muqdisho, waxa ayna Saraakiisha Itoobiya wali ka gaabsanayaan in ay udhaqaaqaan Guriga gudoomiyihii hore ee gobalka Banaadir Maxamed Cumar Xabeeb oo aan wali ka hadlin arimahan, balse ka war haya. Warqad ka timid sida lasheegay Taliska ciidamada Itoobiya ayaa la geeyey guriga Maxamed Dheere, taasoo cabdi cayiman loogu qabtey Maxamed Dheere in hubkiisa wareejiyo, laakiin taasi ayuu ka biyo diiday Maxamed Dheere sida ay ku waramayaan warar ku dhow dhow Maxamed Cumar Xabeeb. Maxamed Dheere ayaa ku sheegay talaabadaasi mid ka soo horjeeda Axdiga dawladda Soomaaliya, wuxuuna sheegay in hadii cid hub laga dhigayo laga qaado xubno ka tirsan dawladda Soomaaliya iyo kuwa aan xilalba heyn oo heysta Hubkiisa mid ka badan, warar hoose ayaa sheegaya in Maxamed Dheere taasi ka biyo diiday kuna celiyey warqad meeshii ay ka timid warqadii horey loogu keenay. Diidmada hub wareejinta ayaa walaac iyo wel-wel ku beertay Raysalwasaaraha Soomaaliya Nuur Xasan Xuseen & Wasiirkiisa Warfaafinta Axmed C/salaan oo labaduba hada jooga Magaalada Jabuuti oo ay ku saxiixeen heshiis awood qeybsi oo aysan raali ka aheyn baarlamaanka Soomaaliya iyo Madaxda dawladda Faderaalka ee Soomaaliya, balse uu ku kooban yahay oo kaliya raga saxiixay. Nuur Cadde ayaa talaabadaan oo kale horey uqaaday, basle waxa ay noqotey mid socon weyday, markii Maxamed Dheere diidmo qayaxan arintan ka muujiyey waxaana la xasuustaa in uu Nuur Cadde arintan markaasi si tan lamid ah uga codsaday Saraakiisha Itoobiya. F. C. Geylan AllPuntland

There are reports Maxamed Dheere is to be fully disarmed under the orders of Nuur Cadde with the support of the Ethiopians. If this is true, this is the most public step taken so far to push Abdullahi Yusuf's presidency towards a ceremonial role. Maxamed Dhere, is of course, one of his most reliable henchmen in Mogadishu. In fact, his absolute foundation in the city apart from the Ethiopians. Maxamed Dheere Oo Lagu Amray Inuu Soo Wareejiyo Hubka Uu Haysto Si Deg-deg ah. Nov 27,2008 by Marka Gedo News Maxamed Cumar Xabeeb (Maxamed Dheere) ayaa lagu wargaliyay inuu soo wareejiyo hubka uu haysto oo isugu jira kuwa fud-fudud iyo gawaarida tiknikada ee qoryaha waawayn saaran yihiin, sidoo kale warar kale ayaa ku daraya in Maxamed Dheere lagu amray inuu ka boxo guriga uu ku jiro haatan, waxaana hubka tiknikada lagu sheegay inay gaarayaan ilaa 25-gaari. Amarkan wuxuu kasoo baxay xafiiska Nuur Xasan Xuseen waxaase la sheegay in go’aanka ay la wadaagaan saraakiisha Ethiopian-ka ee ku sugan xarunta Villa-Somalia, sidoo kale amarka lagu farayo Maxamed Dheere ayaa la sheegay in la siiyay waqti hal Usbuuc ah oo uu kusoo wareejiyo hubka. Wali wax war ah kama soo bixin dhinaca Maxamed Dheere diido iyo u hogaansanaan labadaba, waxaana arintani ay timid markii Maxamed-Dheere uu ku goodiyay hadii aan isaga loo dooran gudoomiyaha gobolka Banaadir aysan wax deganaan iyo kala danbeyn ah ka jiri doonin magaalada Muqdisho. Wararku waxay intaas ku darayaan in xoog loo adeegsan doono hadii uu gudooyihii hore ee gobolka Banaadir u hogaansami waayo amarka lagu farayo wareejinta hubka. Sidoo kale amarkani wuxuu kusoo beegmayaa markii lagu dhawaaqay in maamul cusub loo sameeyey gobolka Banaadir oo uu madax ka yahay Dhagaxtuur. Samadoon Gedo News Desk Muqdisho

Good luck to the Boqor! Mid dadkiisa, dalkiisa, iyo diintiisa anfaco alle haka dhigo.

Odeyga hawo kale iyo nasashuu u laabtaye maxaad ka rabtiin?

Boqorka "Beelaha *******".

Jacaylbaro is trying to see it is "Him" from Somaliland who swore to destroy Somaliland concept. One of the top two heads of Al Shabaab. Red Sea you are a very contradictory person. How can someone be the number 2 advocate of Somaliland on these boards (after Jacaylbaro) yet extend magnanimous support to the Shabaab. The whole notion is an oxymoron.

Originally posted by Oodweyne: quote: Originally Posted By Mr. HornAfrique , I trust you understand the era of sub-clannish maneuvering is forever over in southern Somalia. If I were you, dear horn ; I would not bet my house in Seattle that to be the case, by a long shot, in any case... In other words, the look of things could be decieving, mind you, dear friend.. But, then, again, if I am on the winning side of the Somalis political struggle, I would not wished anybody to accused me of any clannish agenda ; just as I believe our Dukey of this world will try to move heaven and earth to convinced us that Col. Yey genuinely represented the "most idealistic version" of that noble idea call "Somalinimo" , when he was the head of the TFG . Similarly, I am sure of it, that you soon will tell us that any new formation of post-TFG arrangement for Somalia, represent the most highly hoped-for "Islamic creedal governance" at it's best; particularly, if some fellow from Gedo Region happens to have anything to do with it's larger political offices of power, through the formation of "Islamically-tinged" post-TFG government for Somalia,... heh, dear lad ... On the contrary; no. Do not make the mistake of misunderstanding my response Oodweynow. I said naught about such future legitimization of any TFG/post-TFG Western-formed solution for Somalia. Rather I meant if what I hinted actually transpired then the desired result, at least in so far as subclannish maneuvering is concerned, would not be along the lines of what Suldaanka is hoping it to be. Essentially the response of the sub-clans would not occur in the original pre-ICU subclannish fashion which was but a trademark of the by-gone warlord era. That time is past and such a response as the one postulated by Suldaanka has a slime to none chance of occurring. That was what I meant. Also, such a post-TFG institution would be forced to tow the same lines currently towed by the present TFG and such an organization is not one I personally could support. I dislike the TFG and I abhor the ICU pre-Al Shabaab. A perceived amalgamation of the two, such as you are forecasting, is enough to irk my sensibilities let alone give me any incentive to look at them with new eyes were the prime minister, presidency, as well as the parliament all allocated for the Gedo region. I am an Al Shabaab man though sense and logic leads me to conclude never will such an organization be allowed to consolidate control over Somalia in peace!

Originally posted by Suldaanka: quote:Originally posted by HornAfrique: Oodweyne- It has nothing to do with Tolka. That is strictly from the corridors of the State Department. The presidency and prime ministership will change hands. I have it on word come the next change Ahmed Abdisalaan will call himself president and his prime minister will be from the Gedo region. If that is true, then I hate to say it, but Puntland's real chickens are about to come home to roost . I can just, already, imagine the battles that will rage on SOL and Duke/Allpuntland going crazy. Ma sii hub guratay Hornow,,, I am sure you will need "hubka kiisa fudud iyo kiisa culus". I trust you understand the era of sub-clannish maneuvering is forever over in southern Somalia.

Xiddigo Hiiraale is not in the running. It has been made clear the position is only available to technocrats. Oodweyne, Abdi Guled Fargayah is one of the candidates that will be vetted.

Oodweyne- It has nothing to do with Tolka. That is strictly from the corridors of the State Department. The presidency and prime ministership will change hands. I have it on word come the next change Ahmed Abdisalaan will call himself president and his prime minister will be from the Gedo region.

Yeey's time is over. Ahmed Abdisalaan seems to be heading towards the presidential seat.

Originally posted by Adam-Zayla: btw your infamous on several forums for sending people dozens of private messages, don't send me pm's! And I just received my first.

Somebody ban this character.

^That's because she is from California.

the very power he used to subdue his political enemies is now being used against him. Interesting conclusion. What do you think Xiin? Will Yeey retire, accept ceremonial position, or achieve a political coup in the 11th hour?

Do you guys really feel threatened if a BNP supporter lives in your vicinity?

A&T interesting commentary.

Originally posted by Abtigiis &Tolka: Abdullahu Yusuf's killings in Mogadishu(far worse than Siyaad's in Hargeisa) can be viewed as a genocide by Puntland on the people of Banaadir. I rest my case. [/QB] And Gheedi? Arguably Ethiopia's most loyal pawn in civil war Somalia? Or Jeele? Maxamed Dheere and his rounded-up tribal militias? Qaybdiid and his "police forces"? Do they (and their clans as you imply) share the blame or is this just D on H violence?

Has the game gotten interesting.

Originally posted by B_G: I think the kid on the right with the white teeth might be HORN. 1966- that's when England won the world cup! Indeed. Neph, you have to understand Jilib is an agricultural town and historically agricultural locales have always been more diverse, open-minded, as well the degree of "civilization" we have always heard of. Of course the couple would be more sentimental towards each other.

This is why Africa continues to be left behind. What kind of a precedent does this set? Africa needs to mature and move beyond carrying out political objectives at the barrel of the gun. The whole notion is self-defeating. Only Somalis would heroify another renegade African army officer who is destabilizing a nation and leading to an immense humanitarian emergency. You can tell a man's character by how he presents himself and this is how he represents himself: Nothing but another African renegade rebel leader with an ambition towards great personal design. p.s. Nice staff and cowboy hat Nkunda.