Also, leaked information today says Obama plans to abandon Bush's "isolate" Hamas policy and wants to engage them Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

Former Carter national security adviser and current chief foreign policy advisor to Obama, Zbigniew Brzezinski lays it thick on Joe Scarborough's support for Israel Youtube

Originally posted by General Duke: J: “waxa keenay waxa weeyi diiwaangelin bay ahayd tira koob markay noqotay nin leh baa goosanaya waxa weeyaan sida aanu anaguna u noqonay 100. Burcana 400 u noqotay, Hargeysana Hal Milyan u noqotay dad kayagu ma ma dhalaysbaa adeer anagu mise goor walba cidhiidhi iyo cadaadis uun baanu ku jiraynaa waxa weeyi waan ka baxnay waxaad sheegaysaba, waanu ka baxaynaa arintan haddii wax laga badali waayaba”. Classic Somali response

4,000 Al Shabaab militia is in Bay ready to storm Baydhabo.

Burkuus is the DC of B/xaawo not the governor of GG. Nothing new here. Djibouti farce has always been what it is; a farce.

Originally posted by General Duke: Even HornAfrique's bloved anti-Yeey website GEDONET.COM has reported the fact that AU/IGAD didn't want Yeey to resign. [/QB] I beg your pardon? I object. I understand full well the point you are trying to make but I object to you using my name and an inaccurate characterization to make that. As far as I know Gedonet is neither mines and nor have I known it to be anti-Yeey or anti-anyone else.

At one point Indhacade taunts Jiniqoow (and Shiekh Sharif group) to meet with them without their "Ethiopian guards". HornAfrik

I guess we will have to wait and see what actually happens on Saturday then. Somali leader quit threat denied A spokesman for Somali President Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed has denied media reports he plans to resign on Saturday. Spokesman Walak Salih told the al-Jazeera TV network that the reports, which quoted Mr Yusuf's political allies, were "baseless rumours". Earlier, the man appointed prime minister last week by the president announced his resignation. Mohamed Mahamud Guled said he was stepping down because his appointment was destabilising the government. Mr Guled said he had made the decision "so that I am not seen as a stumbling block to the peace process which is going well now". He was appointed in defiance of Somali MPs, who said the dismissal of his predecessor, Nur Hassan Hussein, two weeks ago, had been illegal. The president had clashed in recent months with Mr Nur over attempts to negotiate a peace deal with the Islamist-led armed opposition. Earlier this week, East African leaders imposed sanctions on Mr Yusuf. At a meeting in Addis Ababa, the Inter-governmental Authority on Development (Igad) said it would not recognise the unconstitutional appointment of Mr Guled, and gave its backing to Mr Nur. The grouping also called on other countries to take similar measures. The BBC's East Africa correspondent Karen Allen says it is a sign of just how exasperated the international community has become with a country which has been in the grips of a power struggle for the past 17 years. 'Consultations' Splits have paralysed Mr Yusuf's Western-backed administration at a time when Islamist insurgents appear to be growing stronger by the day. Earlier, speaking to reporters in the town of Baidoa, Mr Guled said that "after evaluating the current situation", he had decided to resign as prime minister. "I stood down so that I am not seen as a stumbling block to the peace process which is going on well now," he added. "I want the government to remain in power and differences among its leaders to be sorted out." Mr Guled, the former interior minister, said he hoped the president would accept his decision, and that he would remain a member of parliament. When Mr Yusuf sacked Mr Nur, he said it was because his government had been "paralysed by corruption, inefficiency and treason" and had failed to bring peace. However, Somalia's parliament declared the sacking illegal and passed a vote of confidence in Mr Nur by a huge majority the following day. Somalia has not had a functioning national government since President Mohamed Siad Barre was overthrown in 1991. Ethiopian troops intervened two years ago to oust Islamists from Mogadishu, and install the transitional government. But it is now in disarray and only controls parts of the capital and the town of Baidoa after recent advances by different Islamist groups. On Monday, the African Union agreed to keep its small peacekeeping force in place for a further two months, but did not say how it would cover for the imminent Ethiopian withdrawal.

Duke, I am not a seer, I only comment on what is in front of me. On the other hand, what do you always carry Ahmed Abdisalaan after me? Do you know something I don't? I think it is ridiculous how you always carry the man's name after me.

Somalia Revisited

Originally posted by Emperor: ^War hadagdagin, Adiga iyo Horn sikalaad wax u aragtaane. Bal oradoo fiiri mida uu LST soo galiyay at 3:11 seconds and see if it is any different from the one posted by Horn, let me know if one bit of a sec is cut and at exactly what time or sec. Horn what are you on about mate, I have watched the entire 5:22 seconds of both clips and I can't see one heck of a difference, bal come back adeer and let us know where? because at 3:11 of both clips I see the same thing of Salad Jeele and few MP gacmaha taagayaa kuwana buuqaan which if put together certainly weren't no where near 143. Awoowe what Zack said and what I said have nothing to do with each other. He is the one that said the videos are different. I never said such a thing. All I pointed out were edits within the video (whether posted on youtube or google). If you notice closely at 3:11-3:13 there is a cut from the start of the voting to the ending of the meeting, persumably when the votes have been counted, when everyone has sat down and the cameraman is behind the security line. It's doctored.

Allaha hau naxariisto Xussein Xaaji.

Actually I just noticed something. Look closely when the video is at 3:11. As soon as the voting started, the video is cut off and a different vantage point ensues, from behind the security detail instead of with the crowd before the cut. The video is cut from the beginning of the counting to the beginning of the end of the meeting when people have sat down and counting has been processed. Whoever edited the video is the real duper and not the speaker of the parliament. The video on youtube

A majority of individuals did seem to support Nuur Cadde but I agree, the tape clearly does not show a "counting" or a gathering of precise approximation such as the one that was reported. It seems to be a rough show of hands and estimate derived from the how of hands. Still, why could not Abdullahi Yusuf reject the legitimacy of the vote instead of naming a different prime minister? Even if the vote was thrown out, the parliament would still need to revote to legally boot Nuur cadde out. In any case I do not think this means much. The president has already been delegitimized.

You don't say?

Originally posted by J.a.c.a.y.l.b.a.r.o: Scholars are always there to talk and direct ,,, Bush or without Bush. I don't think Obama has a different foreign policy unless you're expecting too much ,,, What do you mean to say and in language I understand please. You don't "think" Obama has a different foreign policy than Pham is what you are saying and I, persumably Horn, should not expect too much? With all due respect, I think it is you that is expecting too much.

Pham was one of the right-wing cronies that surrounded McCain. Neither he nor any of what he "thinks" will find any listeners in Obama's foreign policy team. p.s. He has been saying the same thing for years now. If Pham is back, I wonder when Iqbal will resurface?

Originally posted by LayZie G.: ^ you really need to grow up horn. This warlord mentality of yours will not get you anywhere dear. I always have found your negative fascination with me quite odd for a duration of time now.

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^Adeer I and others have been planning for the eventual end of the man since 2000, because of his age and sickness. I am highlightng here that the game will continue and a whole new generation is coming to grab the mantle. All you are doing is hoping Abdiqasin, or Ahmed AbdiSalaan or some other dude from Guriclee is elected and gives you something. I want to take whats mine adeer, and not beg people. Duke when I said you, I did not mean you and your clan. It meant you, as an individual, and your support to Abdullahi Yusuf, as an individual. As for your general comment, Somali waxay tiri far iyo meel bugtaa is og. I never addressed what Abdullahi Yusuf's fall, as an individual, bodes for your clan nor what their immediate future would look like. There was no need for you to respond in that fashion.

You were showing denial before Duke, but now you are hinting you might have entered acceptance stage.

Ridiculous; Djbouti is farce and time will show it to be. The only purpose it serves now, to both the Somalis who support it as well as the West, is that it is a smokescreen that attempts to show "constructive engagement" when there is absolutely nothing to engage. For the Somali supporters especially, it is also a form of peaceful protest against the true resistance without wanting to give proper support to the anti-resistance, or what we call the amalgamation of Ethiopia/TFG/clan forces. It is the easy way out Xiin.

120 members put forward the impeachment motion. 180 is about 2/3. That means around 50 more parliamentarians, persumably those sitting around Nairobi, needed to impeach Abdullahi Yusuf. Ethiopia can get that vote in heart beat in the same it paved for Abdullahi Yusuf's naming as president. Duke let's not kid ourselves or blind ourselves to the control Ethiopia has over that "parliament".

Xiinfaniin, I already said before I am an objective viewer. I have no opinion on what is going on whatsoever. I think Abdullahi Yusuf's broad daylight attempt to sabotage the very charter that keeps him in power was a rather very ****** move. I also think the Djibouti farce is just that; a farce. The whole notion of an extended parliament is ridiculous and many of the people running on its tails have not realized the real headache that awaits them. What should be the clan composition f the added positions? How will the TFG's own 4.5 going to be appeased, etc? I think at this point, the West is ONLY interested in just having a TFG to provide a legitimate balance they can use against the rise of an Islamist control in Somalia. I do not see a great interest in actually bring back peace and security to Somalia nor do I see them banking on the TFG to provide it. The TFG as it has existed thus far serves a purpose, and as long as it serves that purpose the world can continue to ignore Somalia. Abdullahi Yusuf has attempted to rock the boat and the West is putting him position. *EDIT* As for my support to Al Shabaab, one can say the majority of my reason for supporting them has to do with the fact that without them Somalia would be an Ethiopian colony at this present time. I have said it before and I will say it again, I do not believe for a second (save some miracle from up high) that Al Shabaab shall ever see itself as the echelon of power in Somalia nor am I completely comfortable with the excessive nature of their ways. Still, in this present time, they are clearly more worthy of support than the zoo circus called TFG, at least in its present form.

More then anything the benefit of this move is that it shows Somalis the power of democracy. Hopefully they can appreciate this type of warfare and lose interest in guns.

Move to impeach Somali president Nearly 120 Somali MPs have voted to start impeachment proceedings against President Abdullahi Yusuf, accusing him of being a "stumbling block to peace". He must now appear before parliament to defend himself. The motion would need a two-thirds majority to succeed. The move in Baidoa comes a day after the president named a new prime minister in defiance of parliament. MPs also supported a UN-backed peace deal between the transitional government and Islamist rivals. But the Islamist al-Shabab insurgent group that controls much of southern Somalia has not signed up to the agreement. 'Propaganda' President Yusuf told AP news agency from the seat of parliament in Baidoa: "It cannot be true that I'm an obstacle to peace. It is propaganda." The resolution to impeach him - which alleged he had violated 14 articles of the Western-backed transitional government's constitution - had the support of 117 legislators in the 275-member parliament. President Yusuf is accused of illegally printing money, nepotism, behaving like a dictator and failing to push the peace process forward after four years as president. He is also charged with side-lining some of the communities. Correspondents say this is coded language referring to the increasingly bitter clan rivalries that have deepened under his leadership. President Yusuf's biggest miscalculation appears to have been a decision to sack Prime Minister Nur Hassan Hussein and his cabinet on Sunday, they say. Lawmakers soundly rejected President Yusuf's unilateral decision - saying it needed parliament's approval - and voted to keep Mr Nur as prime minister. President Yusuf and Mr Nur had clashed in recent months over attempts to deal with the Islamist-led armed opposition. Mr Nur was chairman of Somalia's Red Crescent Society during many years of conflict before being named prime minister. On Tuesday, Kenya announced it would impose sanctions on Mr Yusuf and his family because it also said he was an obstacle to peace. The BBC's Mohamed Olad Hassan in the capital, Mogadishu, says it is not clear if the impeachment move will work as Somali lawmakers can be very unreliable in their voting. 'Only option left' Mustafa Duhulow, an agriculture minister who topped the list of MPs behind the impeachment motion, said a number of lawmakers were in Mogadishu, or even out of the country. "He's the president. He should be the one who's working very hard to bring the unity to Somalia, reconciliation to Somalia. Now he doesn't want to do that," he told the BBC World Service's Focus on Africa programme. "The president is the problem of the country. We've tried everything… the only option left for us is to impeach him." Correspondents say Somalia's government badly needs a unified front if it is to find peace with hardline Islamist insurgents who now control almost all of southern Somalia. In parliament on Wednesday, MPs also endorsed with a show of hands a reconciliation deal between the more moderate Islamist Alliance for the Re-liberation of Somalia (ARS) and the transitional government, sponsored by the UN in neighbouring Djibouti. That agreement requires Ethiopian forces - which helped government forces drive Islamist forces from Mogadishu two years ago - to pull out in just over two weeks. A small African Union peacekeeping force has indicated it may leave with the Ethiopians unless it gets reinforcements. About one million people have fled their homes - many after fierce fighting in Mogadishu between Islamists and the Ethiopia-backed government forces. Somalia has not had a functioning national government since 1991 when warlords overthrew the regime of President Mohamed Siad Barre and then turned on each other. Source