^Duke I was going to mention Cadaadites would object to being labeled as part of Galmudug! Xiin, Soomaali si kale ku hari mayso.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Duke, Do you know who's this Azhari guy is. I dont believe he is Sharmarke's in-laws. Most people seem to mistake him with the other guy though. [/QB] Goldagob.

Originally posted by Juje: quote:Originally posted by General Duke: All of Nur Cade's group have been purched Including Ahmed AbdiSalaan. I knew you would be first to notice that. None of those who were Nuur Caade's camp has returned. And mostly of all those who resigned in protest and under the guidance of old Yeey are back in fold. What does it tell you? What does it tell you Juje? As for the cabinet, Somalis can be so shallow sometimes. Whoever has been is named so let us see what transpires. Let us move on from "hebel baa ku jiro iyo hebel baa laga reebey" to waiting on them to the obligations of their new roles.

I think this is what they call caught red-handed.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: The news that came out of Xamar today is part of a national drive to give Somali scholars the role they deserve and intervene using their scholarly and religious authority. But it will take some time perhaps few months for their gallant efforts to produce tangible results. It might be symbolic, but Al Shabaab and its men already seem to be maneuvering very cautiously in these new waters. The more the culumaa get involved, the more cautious and reserved Al Shabaab seems to become. Whoever is behind this is a genius I tell you, genius.

Originally posted by AYOUB: ^^ So you do know what "tribal meetings" are like. Considering how he talks here and his "defeated lot", do we really need to question what a person like Oodweyn would say in a private? War Kaftan weeye Oodweeynow!

Awoowe, inshallah you will get rehabilitated. This much vitriol is not good for the soul.

Awoowe, I have a bigger reaction to you calling the land Pissland then the death of that individual. The maamul in that area was cultivated by its people who yearned for semi-governance in a anarchic and volatile situation. Since the inception of that maamul, that region has moved past Somalis in all facets of development. Calling a land borne about the hunger of a civilian population pissland is one of the most demeaning and disrespecting things you could possibly do. Can you have the opinion the maamul has been hijacked, yes that's an opinion you can have. But categorically insulting wide-ranging group of Somalia and calling it Ethiopian protectorate of pissland is downright disrespect and serves no purpose but labels you as victim of Somalia's civil war clan ills, with an Islamic garb of course.

Waxaan maqli jiray habar fadhida lagdan la fududaa. Here we have Kashafa, in an air-conditioned Western dwelling with good heating system. Nearby is a well stacked fridge, a warm bed at night, and good car to drive in the morning. Yet the same man advocates for war, misery, and destruction for people in a faraway hellhole. I don't get it and I don't see a single purpose you serve Kashafa. But always remember habar fadhida lagdan la fududaa mujaahidoow.

I really don't see single purpose you serve.

I am not so sure what to think of this. On one hand he is not saying anything that isn't said in any other Somali tribal meeting but at the same time the man claims to be a lawyer which makes the manner in which he is talking very disappointing. Does Somalia seriously have hope?

Originally posted by [Waranle]: In fact, the resistance to the government is likely to increase in the above areas; and before you know it, this bad copy of the TFG will only command the southern side of Mahadaay village. It is interesting you mentioned this because I was just reading this; Reer Gedo oo sheegay in Dowladda cusub ee Soomaaliya ay xaqoodii duudsiisay Sabti, February 14, 2009(HOL): Dadka ku dhaqan Gobolka Gedo ayaa waxay muujiyeen in ay ka soo horjeedaan Ra’iisal Wasaaraha uu Madaxweynaha Soomaaliya u magacaabay C/rashiid Cali Sharma-arke. Odayaal iyo Waxgarad shir ku yeeshay Degmada Baardheere ee Gobolka Gedo ayaa waxay sheegeen in aysan aqoonsaneyn Dowladda Midnimada Qaran ee Jibouti lagu soo dhisay, waxayna si cad u sheegeen in dowladdaas ay tahay mid duudsiisay xaqii ay lahaayeen. Cali Maxamuud Cali (Cali Dhuux) oo u hadlay Odayaasha iyo Waxgaradka shirka ku yeeshay Baardheere ayaa sheegay in Dowladda cusub ee Soomaaliya loogu dhisay Jibouti ay u arkayaan mid ka mid ah Gobollada Jibouti, wuxuuna carrabka ku dhuftay in aysan aqoonsaneyn. Cali Dhuux waxaa uu sheegay in ay ugu baaqayaan Dadka ku jira Dowladdii TFG-da ee hadda noqotay Dowladda Midnimada Qaran in ay ka baxaan Dowladda, isla markaana ay dadkooda dhinac ka raacaan, wuxuuna carrabka ku dhuftay in ay iyaguna wax la qeybsan doonaan Ururrada Dalka Soomaaliya ka jira ee midnimada, cadaaladda iyo wadajirka doonaya. Guddoomiyaha Degmada Beled Xaawo Axmed Maxamed Yuusuf Bur-kuus ayaa isna magacaabista Ra’iisal Wasaare C/rashiid ku tilmaamay mid aan sax ahayn, wuxuuna sheegay in ay filayeen in Madaxweynaha Soomaaliya uu xilkaas u soo magacaabi doono Maslax Maxamed Siyaad Barre oo ahaa musharixii ugu dambeeyay ee kula tartamayay doorashadii xilka madaxweynenimada Soomaaliya. Geni Xasan Diiriye oo iyaduna ah Guddoomiyaha Ururka Haweenka Beled Xaawo ayaa sheegtay in ay dareemayaan in la duudsiiyay xaqii ay u lahaayeen in loo magacaabo Xilka Ra’iisal Wasaarenimada Soomaaliya,waxayna Geni carrabka ku dhufatay in Beesha **** oo xilkaas laga wareejiyay ay tahay beel weyn oo degta gobollo dhowr ah oo Soomaaliya ku yaala, kuwaasi oo ay ka xustay Gedo, Jubooyinka iyo Galgaduud. Si kastaba arrintu ha ahaatee, Gobolka Gedo ayaa wuxuu noqonayaa gobolkii ugu horeeyay oo laga mucaarado Dowladda Midnimada Qaran ee Soomaaliya, gaar ahaan magacaabista Ra’iisal Wasaaaha cusub ee Soomaaliya. Salaad Iidow Xasan (Xiis), Hiiraan Online sxiis@hiiraan.com Mogadishu, Somalia ^That sentiment only benefits the hardcore opposition to Shiekh Sharif that controls the overwhelming majority of the south.

Originally posted by General Duke: Al Shabaab is a silly name, 'youth' the new name sounds serious and grown up. Hizbu-Allah comes to mind. However why have Abu Mansuur, Goodnae & Shangool not been incorporated into this group, is there an issue with Turki? Turki represents the highest leadership of the Xisb along with with Cumar Iimaan. Abu Mansuur, Godane, and Shagole are soldiers. They do not represent the ideological bureau of the movement and in a religious movement such as the one in Somalia, the ideological bureau is the executive as well as legislative branch. In the end they will succumb.

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^So this new admin will be the old Al Shabaab one renamed? Most likely. It is symbolic in a way. Al Shabaab is the old, Xisbul Islam is supposed to be the new unitary (talk about irony ) opposition. Naming the old administration as Xisbul Islam gives the new alliance a symbolic significance. On the ground though, nothing will really change. The only interesting thing is that the Gedo region was chosen to implement this new system mostly like because the Islamists faced the least opposition from the civilian population in this region.

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^What is this new admin that the Hizbul Islam group created for Gedo? Part of the same monumental conundrum I am talking about. But this was my response to a similar question posed by Xiin yesterday: Originally posted by HornAfrique: It is not really known how this is going to come about Xiin. As you know there is a maamul that already exists and the many members of the muqaawama group interact very bi-partisan manner. For example, the overhead of the whole movement in the region Shiekh Gadaashay is of the Asmara-Hassan Dahir camp whereas Shiekh Jibriil is Al Shabaab and Barre Qooje who responded to last Ethiopian foray in Baardheere is Al Itixaad. However, Shiekh Gadaashay and his men have recently been in Xamar and are now in Afgooye. Perhaps this is something he is well aware of and joined but allahu aclam as of now. However, what is known is that they have all taken the same stance as AL Shabaab and the new "Xisbi" with respect to Shiekh Sharif's infant government. [/QB]

And this is the reality we face. We wait and see how Shiekh Sharif's government can tackle this monumental conundrum in the Somali country.

Originally posted by Najmudin: ^Are you sure about that? Check this out. The irrationality of ignorance. How is Cumar Cabdirashiid having been a U.N officer indicted by alleged crimes committed by other U.N officers? This is worse than garbage.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Rasmul alcaddaalah. another development today in Gedo It is not really known how this is going to come about Xiin. As you know there is a maamul that already exists and the many members of the muqaawama group interact very bi-partisan manner. For example, the overhead of the whole movement in the region Shiekh Gadaashay is of the Asmara-Hassan Dahir camp whereas Shiekh Jibriil is Al Shabaab and Barre Qooje who responded to last Ethiopian foray in Baardheere is Al Itixaad. However, Shiekh Gadaashay and his men have recently been in Xamar and are now in Afgooye. Perhaps this is something he is well aware of and joined but allahu aclam as of now. However, what is known is that they have all taken the same stance as AL Shabaab and the new "Xisbi" with respect to Shiekh Sharif's infant government.

Haye, war heedhe wali miyaan mudanahi lagu dhawaaqin?

I think this is the first of its kind. Interestingly this group seems to have the power to provide judicial oversight over their own. Maamulka islaamiga ee degmada Baardheere oo maanta xukun qisaas ah ku filiyay Askari ka tirsanaa maamulkaasi oo horay u dilay nin rayid ah. Shabelle: BAARDHEERE Maamulka islaamiga degmada Baardheere ee gobolka Gedo ayaa maanta xukun qisaas ah ku filiyay Askari ka tirsanaa maamulkaasi oo horay gudaha degmada Baardheere ugu dilay nin rayid ah. Askari ka tirsan ciidamada Xoogaga islaamiyiinta ee ka howlgala gudaha magaalada Baardheere ee gobolka Gedo ayaa galinkii dambe ee maanta waxaa lagu fuliyay Xukun qisaas ah kadib markii mudo 6- maalin ka hor gudaha degmadaasi uu ku dilay in rayid ah xili ciidamada amniga ee gobolka Gedo ay halkaasi ka wadeen howlgalo ay ku mamnuucayeen cunista iyo ka ganacsiga Qaadka. Falkaan qisaasta ah ee maanta lagu fuliyay askarikaan lagu magacaabayay Cabdi Shakuur Axmed oo da’diisu ay tahay 28-jir ayaa timid kadib markii maxkamadda Shareecad islaamka ee degmada Baardheere ay labo maalin ka hor ay ku riday xukundil ah kagadaal markii uu si ula kac ah u dilay marxuub lagu magacaabayay Aadan Xage oo da’diisu ay aheeyd ilaa 30-sano jir. Garoonka diyaaradaha ee magaalada Baardheere oo ah goobta ay qisaastu ka dhacday galabta ayaa waxaa goob joog ka ahaa ehelada labada dhinac iyo saraakiisha ciidamada maamulka islaamiga ee gobolka Gedo iyadoo goobta amaankeedana ay si weyn u sugayeen ciidamo ka tirsan kuwa ilaalada degmada Baardheere. Falkaan dilka ah ee uu geystay askarikaan ka tirsan xoogaga islaamiyiinta ee degmada Baardheere ayaa yimid kadib markii marxuumka horay loo dilay uu ka dhaga adeegay in uu iska mamnuucu Qaad uu xilikaasi watay maadaama gudaha degmadaasi laga mamnuucay cunista iyo ka ganacsiga Qaadka. Masuuliyiinta maamulka islaamiga ee gobolka Gedo iyo odayaasha dhaqanka ayaa maalmihii u dambeeyay waxaa ay wadeen kulamo ay la kala qaadanayeen ehelada marxuumka geeriyooday si arinka loogu dhameeyo si wada hadal ah,balse waxaa arinkaasi ka biyo diiday aabaha wiilka la dilay dhalay kaasi oo ku adkeystay in qisaas uu ku qancayo taasi oo ugu dambaystii ka dhigtay in galabta askarikii dilka geystay la toogto. Si kastaba ha ahaatee falkaani ayaa waxaa uu noqonayaa falkii ugu horeeyay ee maamulka islaamiga ee degmada Baardheere uu ku fuliyo askari dil u geystay nin kale oo ka mid ahaa shacbiga reer Baardheere tan iyo markii ay la wareegeen gacan ku heynta degmada Baardheere xoogaga islaamiyiinta.

Xiin, awoowe xaal qaado and I mean it sincerely.

Originally posted by double decker: sharif to name prof jurille as a PM. Saas ayaa DJabuti laga sheegaya huuno I would actually welcome Juriile. He was too close to Abdullahi Yusuf in the beginning but he is nonetheless a very intelligent man who can sit in that seat.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Interesting though that you talk about practicality and not mention the center of gravity in the south outside of Mogadishu, the city of Kismayo. The strategically located city of Merca a stone throw from Xamar. And the city of Baydhabo, a capital whose cultural and political influence many towns lie. All those major cities are in the control of Alshabaab and some allied Islamist forces with similar objectives. The clan you are talking about does not factor in this equation adeer. Sharif cant and will not undermine those admins, Horn. If he does it will be to his peril. He will have to work with them, not subvert them within as you are suggesting considering some noisy activist group vying for a mere political position. That does not mean someone with the right qualitifications who is from teh south can not be named as a pm. It could happen but not for the reasons you have listed. Hashi hal il wax ku arki jirtaad isoo xasuusisay. The rest of your commentary notwithstanding, the 4.5 formula in its present and prominent use only takes into consideration Afmadoow and Kismaayo when dealing with the southern forces for p.m position. Laakiin waligaaba hal il baad wax ku arki jirtay marka laga ma yaabo inaad reerkaas (reer gedaha) wali wax u ogolaatid. Emperior, waxaasi waa sheeko gabal dhacday igaaroow. Ka bood

Xiin- I have already written about the practicality vs. understandability of naming a PL prime minister. I am glad you agree with my points that a PL representative provides zero influence to the real equation that leads to Somalia's solution as it stands now. Perhaps later when the south is a contigious strong entity can PL come into play along with Somaliland, but as of now it has zero real value. Take that as "habar masayrsan" or take that as reality in the ground, it is your prerogative. On the practicality of naming a Gedo or Afmadoow representative, this is where you are wrong. It is true those lands are held by Islamist, and an avowed opposition of Sheikh Sharif. What you fail to understand, however, is Gedo is not held by Shiekh Gadaashay with the strength of military might but the acquiescence of the civilian population. That is to say the civilian population has grown tremendously disenchanted with anarchy, gun-wielding youth, and the insecurity typified by the existence of the civil war. It is relief for security that has made them acquisce to Shiekh Gadaashay and Shiekh Jibriil not surrender by military means or clan willpower. As a relative of mine says from Beled-Xaawo "nin waliba qorigiisaa u duugan". Naught single battle took place that opposed Shiekh Gadaashay when he consolidated control over the region in his campaign. If Shiekh Sharif can convince the civilian population of Gedo or Afmadoow that he means for an honest and responsible government, that is free from warlordism and political thievery, in short a government that actually has the potential to succeed and fill the void that has gripped the south in its entirety, the Shiekh will have received those regions in his hands on a silver platter. The opposition to him by more hardline individuals in these administrations on the national level would be greatly devalued by the erosion of civilian support on the local level. This is practicality awoowe, not appeasing entities who cannot provide a single influence in the real dilemma. It is self-defeating if this transpires but we will see.

It is good to express yourself Xiin. The above is what happens markaad naqashka isku xirtid. EDIT Sharif’s reported preference for a candidate from PL is practical one and politically understandable. Do you not agree with his calculations? Why? Interestingly enough I was just reading Meji's response to you on this very question. If the Sharif has a reported preference for a candidate from PL, I don't think it is practical considering the political fortunes of Somalia will be decided by the south but I think it is politically understandable. I think it is politically understandable in the same way Abdullahi Yusuf tried to appease the north Mogadishu clans with the position at the expense of the south Mogadishu clan which was not then and is not now a practical political solution. All it did was further the status quo. Personally, and most other Somalis other than Puntland folk, I see practicality in naming a prime minister that hails from Garbahareey or Afmadoow, whichever to fulfill the 4.5 if the need calls for it. I do not see any practicality in an avowed preference for a Puntlander candidate who has absaloutely no support base in south and cannot bring a minuscule change to the place that needs change today; the south. However, considering the recent political weight held by this group as represented by the recently resigned president Abdullahi Yusuf coupled with the tantrums being thrown around observed by third-party observers as well as the isolationist geography which Puntland can rightly fear to being ignored I think it is politically understandable.