Of course the knowledge of the general alliance of convenience between Al Shabaab and the Sharif Shiekh Axmed wing is not new, but the individual divisions even between Shiekh Aweys and Sharif Shiekh Axmed is. An interesting quote from Xaaji Cadaani says "there existed in the beginning of the ICU movement some moments where even Shiekh Aweys and Sharif Shiekh Axmed had to be separated". Ganacsade Abuukar Cumar Caddaan oo sheegay in Xiisadda Colaadeed ee ka dhex taagan Xoogagga Muqaawamada ay soo bilaabatay Xiligii Maxkamadaha Islaamka ee 2006 Khamiis, May 07, 2009(HOL): Ganacsade Xaaji Abuukar Cumar Caddaan oo si weyn dhinaca dhaqaalaha uga taageeri jiray Maxkamadihii Islaamka ayaa wuxuu ka hadlay xiisadaha colaadeed ee ka dhex oogan Xoogaggii ka wada tirsanaa Midowgii Maxkamadaha Islaamka. Xaaji Abuukar Cumar Caddaan oo wareysi gaar ah siiyay Idaacadda HornAfrik ee Magaalada Muqdisho waxaa uu sheegay in xiisadda colaadeed iyo sida uu u yiri kala shaki u dhaxeeya labada dhinac uu soo bilowday xiligii Maxkamadaha Islaamka ay bilowga ahaayeen. Wuxuu sheegay in xitaa Madaxdii Maxkamadaha ugu sarreysay oo kala ahaa Shiikh Shariif Shiikh Axmed iyo Shiikh Xasan Daahir Aweys ay mar is-qabteen, wuxuuna carrabka ku dhuftay in uu xiligaas ku dhashay shaki ah in ay dhinacyadii Maxkamadaha ka wada tirsanaa ay iska hor-yimaadaan. Dhinacyada ay xiisadda colaadeed ugu dhaxeyso Magaalada Muqdisho ayuu ugu baaqay Xaaji Abuukar Cumar Caddaan in ay joojiyaan dirirta iyo is-ugaarsiga uga dhaxeeya, “Qofka marka uu Sheydaan lagdayo ma garan karo waxa uu sameynayo. Waxaan alle ka baryayaa in uu i oofsado iyadoo uusan Sheydaan I lagdin”ayuu yiri Xaaji Abuukar Cumar Caddaan. Dhanka kalena, Xaaji Abuukar Cumar Caddaan waxaa uu sheegay in uu kulan la qaatay Madaxweynaha Soomaaliya Shiikh Shariif Shiikh Axmed, sidoo kalena uu la ballansan yahay Shiikh Xasan Daahir Aweys, “Shariifka waan wada kulannay, waxaana ku iri haddii xal uu ku jiro kursiga aad ku fadhido maka degeysaa, wuxuuna ii sheegay in uu ka degayo haddii sidaas xal lagu helayo. Shiikh Xasan Daahir markii uu yimid Muqdisho Taleefoon ayaan isku salaannay, haddana waan ballansannay, isna waxaan rajeynayaa in aan is-afgaran doonno”ayuu yiri Xaaji Abuukar Cumar Caddaan. Xaaji Abuukar Cumar Caddaan ayaa wuxuu ka mid ahaa taageerayaashii Maxkamadaha Islaamka, waxaana taageeradaas darteed mar loogu xiray dalka Kenya, inkastoo maxkamad la soo taagay ay ku weysay wax dembi ah. Salaad Iidow Xasan (Xiis), Hiiraan Online sxiis@hiiraan.com Muqdisho, Soomaaliya

Cawaale, even an 8 year old can deduce the picture is a fake.

Originally posted by Xaaji_xundjuf: wa ninkii xaylle sellesie geed ku xiidhay marku raisal wasaare aah somaliya, And who told you this lie?

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The "talks" have been concluded. Al Shabaab has completely usurped power from Ras Kambooni just like I hinted. Al Shabaab has given themselves 100% of the power in Kismaaayo just as I outlined they would as well.

A sign of your bravery eh. Rageedi

Ngonge continue.

Originally posted by Koora-Tuunshe: What is going on here. A lot of nonsense exchanged in this thread. What a fabrication and lies loool. This land conflict is about the people of Buula Xaaji against an invading Clan group claiming to install an islamic administration. DHAGAYSO----Wareysi Xasaaasi ah oo aanu la yeelaney Afayeenka Beelaha *****/***** oo ka hadlay dagaaladii ka dhacay deegaanka Cabdalla Biroole Halkaan ka dhageyso That is because Duke confused two situations. As I had said before this clash is different and small when compared to the hostilities between Kamboni and Al Shabaab. But an interesting observation nonetheless. [ April 22, 2009, 11:26 PM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

Originally posted by Paragon: ^X. Turki's family is in fast mobilization I hear in anticipation of invasion from Kismaayo. Not sure. Fast mobilization would mean the talks have broke down. I was aware there were hostilities but what you are saying seems to be an escalation.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Gabal, if Gedo fingerprints means how the city has been for the last year or so, I will be the first to welcome it . However if you are referring to the inadequacy Hiiraale showed when he was the militia head in Kismayo then that will be no more saaxiib. The sooner you come into agreement with that, the better. Gaal dil gartiiana sii baa la yiri awoowe, I will be the first to say there was gross inadequacy. Inadequacy in terms of administration, security, etc. I do not blame that only on Barre however, because all of the south in general was in the same predicament and the groups running Kismaayo were themselves privy to insecurity and lack of administration emanating from the severe excess of the civil war. However I am by no means apologizing for the inability to progress during that time. Make no mistake about that. Still I will never accept anyone questioning the legitimacy of ousting that renegade warlord Morgan. Even so, I acknowledge the fact the situation today is different. The Islamists have shown that Somalis irrespective of clan background can live together in peace and harmony, with security and stability for all. The country has moved on from the excess of the civil war and I do not condone any clan, whether mine or anyone, seeking confrontation for imperialist aims and if you think I support any clannish war-like action, perceived or even under plans, against anywhere then you are wrong. However, when I feel that you and your fellow sidekicks' clan bias is finding its way into discussions such as this have no doubt I will put my foot down and deconstruct ill-conceived bias.

Originally posted by General Duke: As for the locals and their demands and this admin issue, I support the admin to get an extension since this admin came about the locals have made a great comeback in terms of number and business. The militias from left by JVA senior groups are no more , no more roadblocks and no more madness of the Barre Hiiraale, Taano days, thus lets keep the good days rolling. I agree, I think the administration is doing a superb job running the place. There is no reason to oppose them.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: looooooool@Gedo being my achilles hill Gedo we love it, but it's no Kismayo. Add that, today Kismayo politics has nothing to do with a warlord who once dreamed creating a Jubbaland centered in Bardhere. That you still mention Barre as a potentail contender for Kismayo rule is quite telling... It is as scary to you as it was in 2006. Like I said, your achilles hill but you should learn how to deal with. Whether it is Barre or not, the city will forever have Gedo's fingerprints all over it whether now or later.

Originally posted by Ducaysane: I have a feeeling in Caanoole meesha lagu riixayo ee uusan actorska Kismaayo big ka hayn. what do I know I am badow. You are not as badow as you seem to think.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Awoowe waqacta calaa khabirin when you are talking to me. Jabiso has never been part of this. But Caanoole deny as much as you want but are the principle architects of Kismayo admin. They are not clans rather they comprise various mucaskars and their presence is felt not only in Kismayo but in far away cities like luuq, Baardheere, and Xamar in different arrangements, just like the Kambooni mucaskars is. These are stuff that you may not understand or make sense to you brother. But it's happening right before your eyes. There is no Gedo in this as much as you would like to inject into this discussion. In fact clan politics has significantly diminished in Kismayo wal xamdulilaah. It’s true that alshabaab team has all Somalis in it that includes folks who hail from Gedo region. But should not be construed to mean those folks hailing from Gedo represent or defend perceived tribal interests, Finnally, there is committe set up to mediate these groups to avoid war. And hopefully this will not result in war. That is your problem. Your achilles hill is your own inability to comprehend a simple fact because of a cannotation it might hold for Gedo groups. Sometimes I think you believe the Gedo groups are more capable of things even they do not believe. I think this was the first point I made: Originally posted by Gabbal: Not at all Nuune, because the clans themselves are not central to the picture. It is the Islamist groups who are challenging each other (what we would call "xiniinyo-taabasho") . Naturally Ras Kamboni has its supporters, for clan reasons or not, on one side and Al Shabaab has been taking a very pro-active move to ally themselves with the Gedo side recently. ^^I am not blind to the primary actors but whether there is contact between the clans mentioned and actors specified and why they have those contacts is for those who have access to it to confirm. Continue observing.

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^lool. Barre and his militia will never come back to Kismayu, that’s an old redundant dream , the mans mothers farm was looted a few days ago and he has no more militias. also Turki is under pressure from the local population to make changes as the remit for the admin has long seized and Al Shabaab are under great pressure in Mogadishu and also there is a growing rift in Baidoa and hence do not have the stomack to lose their allies in Kismayu. Turki has sided with his deputy and companion in Hizbul Islam Shiekh Mohamed Mire chief of the growing power that is Canoole. As always juvenile banter but you should cease remarking on mothers. That is a very inappropriate thing to politicize. With that said, head Al Shabaab have brought back the equipment and have apologized for the gaffe promising justice against the misguided youth who undertook that action. Maamulka Alshabaab ee Degmada Baardheere oo dib u celiyey Qalab Matooro Iyo Alaabo Kale Oo maalmo ka hor laga soo qaadey Xerada Muuri

Al Shabaab doesn't make concessions for 30%, 50%, 10% awoowe. They do not see themselves as a group, a faction. They see themselves as the administration, as the law. Before you start bombarding us with copy and past emanating from Somali rumor mills make sure you understand how these guys think.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Gabbal is wrong. Clan has nothing to do with this. The Kismayo admin that was set up before came to expire. It was commissioned for six months. It was between three Islamic entities; Alshabab, Caanoole, and Kambooni groups. Now both Kambooni and Canoole groups are demanding a new admin be established. Alshabaab is agreeing in principle but is suggesting few modifications. This fight i have no clue how it started but the city was tense past few weeks. Gabal as always is good at injecting tribal politics where it does not belong I have said this and more in my second post preceding yours. I will add this; Caanoole is irrelevant and Al Shabaab has not agreed even "in principal" to allow a change of administration. Ras Kambooni has been licking their concerns until Madoobe came back into the city recently and this is the cause for the more "loud" opposition to the Al Shabaab administration. This is where the problem is emanating from and with the facturing of the Xisbul Islaam co-chaired by Turki, Kambooni is without more national players and this is the why recent contact between Kamboni and Caanoole and the other groups in the region has been taking place at the expense of Al Shabaab. Wa billahi tawfiq.

Not at all Nuune, because the clans themselves are not central to the picture. It is the Islamist groups who are challenging each other (what we would call "xiniinyo-taabasho") . Naturally Ras Kamboni has its supporters, for clan reasons or not, on one side and Al Shabaab has been taking a very pro-active move to ally themselves with the Gedo side recently. The competition itself is not new but Xassan Turki taking sides is. If you remember when the alliance of the Islamist groups first took on Barre Hiiraale's personal militia, they set up an administration that was majority Al Shabaab (the Gedo Islamists who begun the war against Barre himself were Al Shabaab) but there was great dissatisfaction among Kamboni side and men like Ibarhim Shugri Abu Zaynab even publicly aired their defection. However Turki himself bestowed legitimacy on that administration and so peace reigned. That administration was itself supposed to be temporary for a 6 month basis but Al Shabaab has deafened itself to calls for change after the time has lapsed. Now Turki himself joined the fray calling for a new administration and still Al Shabaab has continued to resist. This is where the present hostilities are emanating from and why each group is trying to campaign for support within the local community if war becomes necessary. Then you also have Barre Hiiraale and the militia he has gathered continuing to eye things from Dollow and a division between the alliance that defeated him is most certainly good news for him.

This is just a post-script. The real storyline concerns the very real and intractable tension between Al Shabaab allying themselves with the Gedo clan and Ras Kambooni relying on the Dhoobley clan. Al Shabaab has so far resisted all calls by Sheikh Turki himself to change the "temporarily" designed Al Shabaab-majority administration in the region. We will see what fruits the deliberations bear.

Xiin, why still an "opportunity" as much as it was when Ethiopians were in the country? Why hasn't opportunity matured into reality yet? I am not as optimistic as I was.

U.S. takes new look at Somalia strategy By Sue Pleming - Analysis WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Piracy off its shores has made Somalia an early challenge for the Obama administration, which is grappling to devise a new strategy that will not replicate past failed U.S. policies in the Horn of Africa. The immediate goal, say U.S. officials, is to bolster Somalia's new government and its moderate Islamist president, seen by many as the best hope of bringing stability to the lawless country after 18 years of turmoil. As a starting point, the United States plans to help fund the country's nascent security force. An overall review of U.S. strategy is looking at what else Washington could do to stabilize the capital Mogadishu and surrounding areas while at the same time tackling the piracy scourge. But if the United States is too public in its support of President Sheikh Sharif Ahmed, it could backfire and embolden hardliners, with the new leader being branded as Washington's puppet. "When the United States embraces a government in Somalia, we de-legitimize it. It is this awful sort of double-edged sword," a senior U.S. defense official told Reuters. The State Department's key Africa diplomat, acting Assistant Secretary of State Phillip Carter, said Washington had learned from its mistakes of the 1990s when a peacekeeping mission ended in shambles and U.S. forces withdrew. The United States had no desire to "drive this process" and would let the Somalis push their own peace process forward. "It can't be a made in the USA kind of thing," said Carter, who will be the U.S. envoy at a donors conference for Somalia in Brussels later this week. SECURITY THREAT The Obama administration is deciding how to balance U.S. security interests with Somalia's own political future. Somalia is seen as a poster child for security threats emanating from Africa, but following the "retributive military strikes" of the Bush administration is not the answer, said Somalia expert John Prendergast. "Airstrikes during the Bush administration occasionally took out one or two targets on the ground but inspired hundreds more Somalis to join the jihadist insurgency," Prendergast said. The Bush administration tacitly approved a 2006 invasion by Somalia's regional rival Ethiopia to crush supposed al Qaeda activity and this boosted local suspicion of the U.S. role. "Absent a state-building strategy, muscle-flexing military approaches are counter-productive for counter-terrorism," added Prendergast, chair of the advocacy group, the Enough Project. A brazen attack this month on a U.S.-flagged carrier has re-focused attention on fighting piracy off Somalia, with some in the military weighing up hitting pirate camps on land. [nN20517909] But U.S. air strikes or land raids in Puntland, where most of the pirates are based, were very unlikely, said the defense official, because of the high risk of civilian deaths and the fallout that would follow. The pirates would then seek common cause with Islamist militants such as Somalia's al Shabaab group, a powerful al Qaeda-aligned group who control large swathes of territory. However, the United States is looking for cooperation from the new government in tracking down al Qaeda operatives in Somalia, including those suspected of the 1998 attacks on the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. "There are still a couple of really bad guys out there that we would not mind seeing depart from the planet," said the defense official. POLITICAL SPACE Somalia's new government is trying to reconcile warring factions, possibly bringing in militants like Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys, a former chairman of the Islamic Courts Union that ruled Mogadishu in 2006 Somali expert Ken Menkhaus said the United States needed to provide "political space" for individuals like Aweys, who is on Washington's list of foreign terrorists, to make public commitments to renounce terrorism. "We need to provide a certain amount of flexibility in these negotiations," said Menkhaus, a professor at Davidson College and former special advisor to the U.N. operation in Somalia. The State Department's Carter said it was unclear what kind of role Aweys wanted to play. "He has been a spoiler and he is a person of concern for us," he said. Carter said the United States was banking on a "lot of disillusionment" on behalf of Somalis, both toward groups like al Shabaab as well as spoilers in political reconciliation. "This is probably the best opportunity that Somalia has had in a long time to develop a sustainable peace and get the country on some kind of a development path. But it is very risky." (Additional reporting by Andrew Gray; Editing by Patricia Wilson and Paul Simao)

Ma haduu indhaha u furmay.

Does anyone have any information concerning the whereabouts of the much publicized unity government of Somalia? If you have seen or heard anything please inform me as soon as possible. Mahadsanid

Originally posted by Meiji: PS: Sheikh Abu Roobow is not different then Sheikh Indha Adde. Both are typical warlords. Isku xishood.

Originally posted by Mujahid:RedSea: Siyaad barre inherited united poeple, he turned them on each other. You say a lie enough times and you start to believe it.