Originally posted by Che -Guevara: Donald is irrelevent, The hearing has the possibility of being irrelavent but not Payne. The man is the chairman of the House sub-committee on Africa. He personally wields a heavy gavel with respect to American policy on Africa. Xaaji- "Somaliland response is unacceptable" was a response to Somaliland refusing to sit on this hearing and instead asking for a "separate hearing", something both Oodweyne on this forum and the Somaliland Foreign Minister on the BBC have said the U.S House accepted. According to the chairman of the Africa sub-committee "that response is unacceptable" and makes him "wonder about Somaliland's commitment to peace in the region".

Scathing critique from the one man who is probably the most interested in Somalia in the U.S House of Representative and organized the hearings publicized in this form. A completely different interpretation then the one given by the Somaliland Foreign Minister and the various Somaliland news articles posted the last couple days. This is the complete webcast but the remarks heftily criticizing Somaliland starts at 52:40 at the second half of the panel involving the Puntland president, TFG representatives, and the AU and UN special representatives to Somalia. Webcast

It would not mean anything even if it did not take place but according to the House website, it did and the Somaliland representative was simply substituted with Ould Abdalla and an AU official. http://foreignaffair s.house.gov/hearing_ notice.asp?id=1093

It is a House hearing awoowe. A hearing does not fail or pass, it only seeks to gain information. This does not translate into official U.S policy whatsoever. Perhaps you can get that news source to employ a secondary school student of Somaliland origin in the states to inform them about U.S government matters.

Salaan Xiin, now with respect to "ciyaari waa gelin danbe" I am going to ask you my favorite question "what do you mean"?

How can I acknowledge what I do not understand, as you said awoowe?

Making a pumpkin out of a seed.

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: Maya ,,,, it is just the government and the rest was paid by the Donors ... 20 years of peace, prosperity, and being "Africa's best kept secret" and 25% of an election's expenses is what the government considers its responsibility. So what is so independent about Somaliland? :confused:

To be fair to the beleaguered old man, this was before the 2006 "revolution".

This is what you call an "alliance of convenience".

Garowe: " Marna raali kama nihin in Ciidamado Shisheeye la keeno Soomaaliya" Bayaan ka soo baxay Siyaasiin, Aqoonyahano, Saraakiil ciidan iyo Ganacsatada Puntland. 21. juni 2009 APL Garowe(AllPuntland)- Qoraal looga hadlayay xaaladihii ugu dambeeyey ee dalka Soomaaliya, gaar ahaana magaalada Muqdisho oo ay soo saareen Siyaasiin, Aqoonyahano, Saraakiil ciidan iyo Ganacsatada ka soo jeeda deegaanada Puntland ayaa ka soo baxay magaalo Madaxda dowladda Puntland. Dadka soo saaray bayaankan ayaa gaaraya 12 qof oo iskugu jira dhinacyada kala duwan ee Bulshada Puntland, ayagoo mid mid usoo qaaday xaaladaha qalafsan ee ka taagan gudaha caasumada Soomaaliya. Axmed Siciid Aw-Nuur oo ahaa wasiirkii hore ee Waxbarashada ee Puntland ayaa wariyaasha usheegay in ay ujeedadoodu tahay sidii ay baaq ugu jeedin lahaayeen dhinacyada kudagaalamaya magaalada Muqdisho, oo uu sheegay in ay deg deg ku joojiyaan dirirta ay markan abaabulayaan. " Marnaba raali kama nihin dagaal dhaca, waxaana leenahay hadii aan wax laga qaban dagaalada hada socdaa, waxa ay galaafan doonaan dad badan noloshooda, isla markaasna waxa ay hor seedayaan in dalka Soomaaliya oo dhan uu burburo oo gacanta loogaliyo Dowlado Shisheeye" ayaa lugu yiri baaqan ka soo baxay Dhinacyada kala duwan. Wasiirkii hore ee Macdanta Puntland Xasan Cismaan Alloore ayaa usheegay AllPuntland in aysan ujeedadoodu aheyn in ay lakala safan yihiin dhinacyada kudagaalamaya caasumada Soomaaliya, balse wuxuu tilmaamay in ay ka talinayaan aayaha dalka Soomaaliya oo uu sheegay in uu waajib ka saaran yahay. Mr. Alloore ayaa wax laga xumaado ku sheegay in aysan marnaba yeeli doonin in ay ciidamado Shisheeye yimaadaan dalka Soomaaliya, kuwasoo uu sheegay in ay dhibaato ba'an ku hayaan dalka Soomaaliya, wuxuuna diiday haba yaraatee in wax ciidan ah Ajnabi ah oo hor leh la keeno dalka Soomaaliya. " Marnaba mayeelayno in ciidan Shisheeye la keeno Soomaaliya, waayo waxa ay dhibaato xun ku tahay jiritaanka iyo qaranimada dalka Soomaaliya, waxaana filayaa in aan waxba faa'iido laga helayn oo ay waajib tahay in ay dhinacyadu iskaga tanaasulaan arimahaasi" Ayuu yiri Xasan Cismaan Alloore. Bayaanka ayaa ugu baaqaya dhinacyada dagaalamaya in ay joojiyaan dagaalada ayna raacaan wadiiqo kasta oo wax looga qaban karo xaalka Soomaaliya, waxaana loogu baaqay wada hadal aysan joogin wax aan Soomaali aheyn oo lugu qaban doono meel ka mid ah dalka Soomaaliya, waxaana qoraalka lugu qoray in meel ka baxsan Soomaaliya aan la ogolaan karin in lugu qabto shir dambe oo ay Soomaali leedahay/ Dadka soo saaray bayaanka waxaa ku jira Aqoonyahano, Siyaasiin ay ka mid yihiin Xasan Cismaan Alloore, Axmed Siciid Aw-Nuur, Cabdi-nuur Cilmi Biindho, Cali Cabdi Awaare, Aqooyahano, Saraakiil ciidan iyo ganacsato oo dhamaantood saxiixay sida ku cad waraaqo lasiiyey Warbaahinta baaqan. F. C. Geylan AllPuntland

Alle hau naxariisto Cadoow iyo intii dhiibaatada galaaftay.

Moonlight adeer bal wax yar waad isku dardarsataye, siyaasada muddo bal ka joog.

My old friend Oodweyne, forgive me if my topic accorded those in Gedo region a sovereign and independent status they do not deserve, at least in so far as looking from a national perspective. Clearly it is not the case and certainly not my objective. Still, this region has largely been saved from the both physical and spiritual ideological war-game that has affected much of southern Somalia. It has attained its somewhat, if not independent, but autonomous status as a result of not being an environment where a large ideological battle was waiting; credit due to the 90s Al Itihad of course. With respect to this specific topic, it is clear they do exercise some autonomous moving room and it shows they value their connection with the people, even if the groups to which they bestow fealty might have national and even international objectives. From observation, it is not everyday Somalia's latter day Al Shabaab-leaning Islamists are willing to undergo leadership training. Indeed by virtue of their cause, the Islamist have shown an almost unbridled arrogance that bespeaks their confidence of a divine right to rule, as if they were ordained for such a task. In that regard, it is not everyday they take leadership training, and certainly not in partnership with an announced secular institution whose representative himself said at the venue "we do not support any political, tribal, or religious group except for the advancement of knowledge". That in itself is a profound statement for an institution in partnership with an ideological group who are under the impression only they are Muslims and only their followers will taste paradise. Unless you mean to say the institution itself is not secular or independent from the Islamists? Of that I will say, that institution has existed longer than the Islamists and the particular brand of Islamists in Gedo, the Shabaab, are not one to hide their tracks or affiliations. Such wordly political maneuvers are beyond their ideological philosophy that damns what the world thinks. Now if I move to the general socio-political consequence of their rise to power, it has largely been positive. Friend and foe will recognize their tenure in power has catapulted the region into an era of peace, security, interconnectedness, and even development. During the span of the civil war, the region was one of the most unstable if not sharing the title with the capital. For 15 years, wars of all magnitude and levels took place and even both the Ethiopian and Kenyans had their own proxies that were under their payroll and worked for their interest in the region. Peace was never allow to make root, and the region and its people suffered. No security, no services, no infrastructure, no development. Nothing. Now with respect to the issues surrounding the reemergence of the national Somali state and issues surrounding international relations, trade, political linkage and joining the family of nations, clearly these groups are not the future, but for the moment they have given the people a moment of respite and breathing and from my own observations the people of the regions appreciate and recognize it.

Belaayo ku weerartay, weeraar mooyaane wax kalaba uma jeedaan.

Originally posted by Emperor: also remember how the clan of Gedo reacted when Hiiraale was ousted from Kismayo humiliated and elders that supported him and a colonel were murdered... That "colonel" was Hassan Turki's clan cousin, gacan ka xaq daran baana dishay.

Alle hau naxariisto Cumar Xaashi, Laqanyo, iyo intii Islaamka ee dhibaatada galaaftay.

Collaboration at its most interesting in southern Somalia; Islamists undergoing "leadership training" by secular institution. Siminaar ku saabsanaa maamul wanaagga iyo culuumta shareecada oo lagu soo gabagabeeyey Baardheere Waxaa magaalada Baardheere ee gobolka Gedo lagu soo afjaray siminaar ku saabsanaa maamul wanaagga iyo culuumta shareecada islaamka kaasoo loo qabtay xubno ka mid ah maamulka islaamigaa ee ka arrimiya gobolka Gedo iyo xubno kale oo ka socday bulshada reer Gedo. Waxaa degmooyinka gobolka Gedo ka kooban yahay laga soo xulay dad ducaad ah iyo dad ka tirsan maamulka islaamigaa ee ka jira gobolka Gedo dadkaas oo caddakoodu gaarayey ilaa 40 xubnood. Siminaarkaan waxaa soo qaban qaabiyey hayad samafal ah oo wadani ah oo lagu magacaabo Al-khayr taasoo kafaalo qaaday qarashaadka ku baxayey dadka ka qayb galay sinimaarkaas ee ka kala yimid degmooyinka gobolka. Waxaa iyaduna gacan weyn ka geysatay fulitaanka iyo habsami socodka sinimaarkaan Jaamacadda Gedo oo iyada hoygeeda lagu qabtay sinimaarkaas. Jaamacadda Gedo oo astaan u ah fidinta cilmiga iyo horumarinta bulshada xag cilmi diineed iyo mid adduunyaba ayaa gudanaysa kaalinkeedii ay bulshada u haysay. Waxaa halkaas ammaan iyo bogaadinba uga soo jeediyey Jaamacadda Gedo dhamaan dhinacyadii kasoo qayb galay siminaarkaas oo ay ka mid ahaayeen, hayaddii soo abaabushay ee Al-khayr, maamulka degmada Baardheere, iyo kasoo qayb galayaaashiiba. Siminaarkaan wuxuu ahaa mid aad ugu habboon xiliga la qabtay oo ka soo qayb galayaashuna ay caddeeyeen inuu munaasib ku ahaa xilligaan oo loo baahan yahay maamul wanaagsan oo ummadda lagu dhaqo si dhibka iyo xanuunka gaajada ay uga baxaan. Waxaa kaloo uu siminaarku u faa’iideeyey maamulka qaabka ugu habboon ee loogu dhaqmi karo shareecada iyo ku maamulida bulshada si wafaaqsan shareecada. Waxaa xafladdii lagu soo afjaray siminaarka ka hadlay ugu horeyntiiba Gudddmiyaha hayadda samafalka wadaniga ah ee Al-khayr Sh. Xuseen Ismaaciil Cali kaasoo ballan qaaday inay har iyo habeenba u taagnaan doonaan wax u qabadka bulshada soomaaliyeed inta ay ka gaaraan ayna soo qaban qaabin doonaan siminaaro kale oo kuwaan la mid ah. Waxaa kaloo xafladdii xiritaanka siminaarka ka hadlay Guddoomiyaha Jaamacadda Gedo ahaana mushrifka(kormeeraha ) siminaarkaan Prof. Bashiir Cumar Ciise Nuunuule isagoo adkeeyey in Jaamacadda Gedo ay ka madax banaantay dhamaan ururada siyaasadeed, kuwa qabaa’ilka iyo kuwo diineedba islamarkaana uu waajib ka saaran yahay horumarinta bulshada xagga cilmiga, wuxuun.a mahad weyn huwiyey hayadda samafalka wadaniga ah ee Al-khayr kuna booriyey inay inaysan ka caajisin hawlahooda samafalka ah. Hayadda Al-khayr waxaa kaloo ay magaalada ka wadaa biyo gelin la doonayo inay ka hirgasho degmada Baardheere taasoo looga kaaftoomi doono biyaha webiga ee kareetooyinka lagu keeno. Waxaa mar hore ka faa’iideystay qoysas badan oo ka mid ah dadka deegaanka Baardheere, waxaana qorshuhu yahay in muddo sannad gudahiisaa magaalada ku hesho biyo nadiif ah oo tubooyin laga cabayo. Guddoomiyaha Al-khayr Sh. Xuseen Ismaaciil Cali muaskheyr@hotmail.co m Source

Nin waliba marku dan u mucaarado... Duke and Emperior, you two remind me of Rush Limbaugh who openly said "I wish the president fails". Fadlan there is already a lot of negativity and opposition, if your support was to Somalia and not to a single man who has left the building, the least you can do is observe and not be unwanted and uneeded opposition of these times. Someone has to break the cycle. Marka ragoow isku laabta.

It is actually a legitimate question. Ducaysane I would assume it is or it could be the old "waryaa waanu is naqaan ee buugayga lasoo laabo labadaa isbuuc ka bacdi".

Personally I would not approve renovating the old People's Council. Let it sit there as a reminder of the consequence of taking arms against your people and nation. A museum of living history.

Good investment.

Alle hau naxariisto.

Xiin's pal strikes again. Xiin if I may ask, why are you stuck one man while the majority of so-called Somali intellectuals/writer s share his un-redeeming features?