Originally posted by Juje: quote:Originally posted by Gabbal: Jumatatu Nin yahow ninkaan magaciisa maad iska deysiid hadi kale abal daradada ayu so xasusana. Awoowe seddex ama afar sano ka hor ayay ahayd markaad abaal igu soo qaaday waajibaadkaadana inaan ku marsiiyey adigaa maqaalo ka ah. Abaalka aad sheegeysid anigaa kaa mudan sababtu ay tahay anigaaba ku kala baray miyi iyo magaalaba. Intaasna wayga kaftan.

Jumatatu, you must be incredibly misinformed if you believe I will stand here and defend the sad and tragic events of the Somali civil war. My position is clear; nothing should be defended in the Somali fratricide, nothing, but no one had to die of starvation. Why don't you and your buddy there Meiji continue defending the Aideed whose infamous stature is synonymous with death and destruction throughout this world. One would think after Dayniile saw the light, all Somalis have finally agreed conclusively on an issue.

Originally posted by Juje: For the record: Aideed's USC captured Baidoa region from Siad Barre early 1992. And the International Community were only able to gain access to the region and help the people since and after then only. Anything else is pure rubbish. What is rubbish is your history Jumatatu. Barre and his forces passed through Baidoa twice. The first passing was the march to Afgooye and the second was the routing from Afgooye in which they were retreating back to their lands. The USC took over the town during this retreat and the actions committed there are well recorded. It is not something up for discussion here. It is interesting to note the USC then immediately re-invaded Baidoa in 1995 as soon as the UN mission ended.

Originally posted by Meiji: Blocking of Food Aid by corruption and war ---> mass starvation to death. So then why are you attempting to legitimize the genocidal mad men of those years? War dadku indho adkaa! Awoowe, listen to me carefully and listen to me well. I never excused away any actions committed during those mad years. I never excused away the other side nor the Barre side. Nothing that contributed to Somali fratricide is excusable or warrants defense whether is ambushing and torturing fleeing civilians in the middle of roads or resorting to burning food crops. But the reality is Somali has seen many comparable seasonal losses like the like that occurred as a result of that burning. Somalia has seen ****dheer, it has seen the 80's famine that came as a result of the refugees, and Somalia has even seen the East African drought of 2005 that is now called the single worst drought in that land in 50 years. The United Nations brought more food into Somalia then could have been collected from that harvest, so why was a single life lost? Why did people starve to death so Caydiid can steal all the food aid and use it as a political power? What led him to resort to such actions when the Bay and Bakool community were his allies in the fight against Barre? Nothing awoowe explains other than the fact he was a genocidal madman who gave a new definition to warlord. The world realized it and changed the mandate to use force against him to stop the disruption of humanitarian aid. But of course with your chatter about Mogadishu society and the likes, it is clear you are the remnants of a time in the civil war that has long been extinguished. Continue defending the indefensible awoowe.

Tragic. This blocking of food aid to the area which would have prevented any starvation from occurring was what led to the revised UN mandate to hunt Aydiid from its previous humanitarian oriented one. It is what led to the dissolution of UNOSOM I and the beginning of UNOSOM II.

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INTERVIEW-U.S. will urge Ethiopia to stay out of Somalia By David Clarke NAIROBI, July 4 (Reuters) - The United States will encourage Ethiopia not to return to Somalia as it would be against the interests of both Horn of African nations, Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Johnnie Carson said on Saturday. Ethiopia invaded Somalia in late 2006 to topple an Islamist movement in the capital Mogadishu. The intervention sparked an Islamist insurgency which is still raging despite the fact Ethiopian troops pulled out in January. "The Ethiopian government continues to look very closely at developments in Somalia," Carson told Reuters in Kenya ahead of a visit to Ethiopia on Monday. " Given the long-standing enmity between Somalis and Ethiopians I will encourage the Ethiopians not to re-engage in Somalia. It is not their interest to so and their efforts might in fact prove counterproductive to the government," he said in an interview. Neighbours and Western governments fear that if the Somali administration is overthrown, the lawless nation will become a safe haven for al Qaeda to train militants to destabilise the region and attack developed nations. Residents in several regions of Somalia have reported seeing Ethiopian soldiers in the past two months. Addis Ababa initially denied this but later acknowledged it had made "reconnaissance" missions. It still insists no combat troops are in Somalia. "Ethiopia has a right to defend its borders, should do so vigorously if individuals cross into their territory, and their efforts should be directed at defence of their territory and not necessarily involvement inside of Somalia," Carson said. NO DECISION ON TOUGHER MANDATE Carson held talks with senior officials from all Horn of Africa countries, including the Eritrean foreign minister, during an African Union summit in Libya this week. Washington has accused Eritrea of supporting the hardline al Shabaab insurgents who are fighting to oust Somali President Sheikh Sharif Ahmed. It says Eritrea has aided the movement of weapons and foreign fighters into Somalia. Carson said Eritrea strongly denied the accusations. The rebels, who have links to al Qaeda and want to impose their own harsh version of sharia law throughout the country, control much of southern Somalia and parts of the capital Mogadishu close to the president's palace. A 4,300-strong African Union peacekeeping force (AMISOM) from Uganda and Burundi is protecting key sites in Mogadishu but appeals for more troops and a stronger mandate allowing them to go on the offensive have yet to bear fruit. Carson said a battalion of soldiers from Burundi, about 800 troops, was ready to deploy as soon as an airlift is provided and that Djibouti had pledged to help with military force. "They are a small country with a small military but they have indicated that they believe the situation is serious enough to warrant their support," Carson told Reuters. "They believe that it is important to support Sheikh Sharif and to prevent his government from falling and they are prepared to provide more support than they have in the past, including manpower," he said. Carson said Washington had yet to decide whether the AMISOM mandate should be beefed up. There had been hopes African leaders would agree to this in Libya but wording to that effect in a draft resolution was dropped. "We will study it closely in Washington and make a determination as to whether it is in our interests to encourage an expanded mandate as this goes forward," he said. Washington helps fund the AMISOM force and has sent weapons to the Somali government to support its fight against the rebels. Carson told reporters it would send more. "The United States will continue to look for ways to provide support," he said. "This will include military support in terms of arms and munitions and material resources, but not manpower." Source

The next generation already aware of their responsibility. THanks Che!

Arrintu ma xoog baa awoowe teeda kale ma aan garanayo inay kaftan kaa tahay iyo inaysan kaa ahayn lakiin dariiq qalafsan ayaad hawsha u martay.

Indeed sxb, indeed.

A witty man, his hope in Somalinimo is admirable.

49 guuradii 1da Luuliyo oo lagu maamuusay calan saarid aqalka looga arrimiyo gobolka Ohio (Ohio State House) Ahmed Hosh (Luuliyo) Columbus, Ohio: Calanka Soomaaliya ayaa si rasmin ah looga taagay aqalka looga arrimiyo gobolka Ohio ee looyaqaan Ohio State House. Calan saarida ayaa lagu maamuusayay maanta oo ku aadan maalintii xoriyada iyo midnimada ummada Soomaaliyeed ee 1da Luuliyo ama sanad guuradii 49 aad ee maalintaas ummada Soomaaliyeed qaaliga ku ah. Waa markii ugu horeysay ee calanka ummada iyo dalka Soomaaliya si rasmi looga maamuuso ama xuso dalka dibadiisa, ayadoo si rasmi maalintaan qaaligaa uu uga ruxanayo rugta looga taliyo gobalkan Ohio oo ay Soomaali badani dagan tahay. Dadkii munaasabadaan ka soo qeyb-galay oo ay ka muuqatay farxad aad u saraysa ayaa muujiyay sida buuxda ee ay ugu mahad celinayaan dadkii iska xilqaamay ama suurto galiyay xuska maalintaan taariikhigaa iyo in calanka Soomaaliyeed laga garab lulo midka dalka Mareykanka iyo kan gobolka Ohio. Hawshan qirada weyn ee sida buuxda ay u soo dhaweeyeen ummada Soomaaliyeed ayaa waxaa gacan weyn ka gaystay inay suurto gasho mudane Carlton Weddington oo ah mudane aqalka hoose ee gobolka Ohio laga soo doortay matalana degmada 27 aad oo ay u badan yihiin Soomaalida ku sugan gobolka Ohio. Waxaa sidoo kale gacan ka gaystay Eileen Y. Paley oo iyana xubin ka ah gollaha gobolka ee dowlada hoose. Dhanka kale waxaa dadaal buuxa hawshan inay suurto gasho u galay guoodmiyaha Jaaliyada Soomaaliyeed ee Columbus, Xasan Cumar iyo madaxa hayda Helping Africans New Direction HAND isla markaana ahna tifaftiraha wargayska Somalilink Mudane Mahdi Taakilo. Waxaan sidoo kale kaalin muqadasa hawshaan ka qaatay dhalinyarada una badan ardayda jaamacda Soomaaliyeed ee gobolkan Ohio iyo shaqsiyaad dadaal dheeri ah hawshan ka gaystay oo aan halkaan lagu soo koobi karin. Si kastaba ha ahaatee ka soo qeyb-galayaashii munaasabadan ayaa ahaa kuwo fikirka calan saarida ee gobolkani ku maamusay ummada Soomaaliyeed aad ulla dhacsanaa. Ibrahim Xarfi oo kamid ah ardayda jaamcada OSU oo aan dareenkiisa waydiiyay waxaa uu iigu jawaabay ” dhab ahaantii waa arrin aad loogu farxo oo ka duwan wajigii hore ee Soomaalida looga bartay, waana arrin ku dayasho mudan” Hooyooyinka iyo duqayda Soomaaliyeed ee halkaasi isugu soo baxay ayaa ayaguna muujiyay dareen farxadeed oo aad u sareeya. Waxayna dhamaan ka soo qeyb-galayaashu halkaasi ku wadaageen waqti aad qaali u ah oo farxadeed. 1da luuliyo ayaa ah maalin qaali ku ah ummada Soomaaliyeed meelkastoo ay joogaanba, waa maalinta midnimada iyo xoriyada Soomaaliyeed. Dalka Soomaaliya ayaa mudo aad u dheer waxaa ka aloosan colaado wajiyo badan oo aan joogsan. Taasina waxay keentay in malaayiin Soomaali ahi caalamka intiisa kale nolol ka samaystaan. Magaalda Columbus ee gobolka Ohio ayaa lagu tilmaamaa inay tahay magaalda ugu Soomaalida badan dalkan Mareykanka, waxaana ku nool ummada Soomaaliyeed oo lagu qiyaaso 45,000. Soomaalida reer Columbs gabi ahaan waxay u arkaan xuskan iyo calankooda ka babanaya magaalo madaxda gobolkay horumar aad u weyn. Luuliyo

Originally posted by Oodweyne: Horn-ow , Adeer ; Taariikhda ayaa kaa khaldan ayaan ku idhi. Sababta oo ah waxaa kaa maqan wixii dhacay wuxuu ahaa, iyo sida rag uga heshiiyey iyo sidii ay ku dhamaatay. Sababta oo ah waxaan arkaa in aaanad fahan saneyn sheekadan (wixii aad fadhi-ku-dirirka aad ka maqashey mooye ). Ee markaa ka soco, Adeer ... Aduunoow xaalka ba'! Oodweynoow labo line ku qancay waa dabaaldag, inkastuu afkii juuqda gabay bilad sharaf ah baad istaahishaa yaa awoowe intaasina wayga kaftan

Oodweyne, gabdha cadcadoo tima tidcan haduu reerki isku xaal mariyey awoowe waxaasu "sabayn xir" iyo "xaal marin" ayaan u naqaan. Marka hadaad oranaysid odeygii Cigaal ahaa baa na xaal mariyey oo gabadha cadcadoo tima tidcan nagu xaal mariyey kuuma diidani anigu balse waxaan filayaa inaad ila garowsantahay xaal marin waxay ka askuntaa deelqaaf iyo xumayn. Taariikhda jiilkii iyo ragaad u taqaan Maryo Calas wakhtigan xaadirka ah maaha waxaan filayo inaan is barayno.

Xiin warka soo tabi. Xaalku waa sidee?

Che, priceless comeback indeed. For your sake, I hope you are part of the Habar that actually run things in Hargeisa so we don't have listen to the same story though about different "defeated lot". No he is not. In fact one could argue he is from the "defeated lot" within Somaliland's own internal 90's era civil instability.

Originally posted by Che -Guevara: Is that Farole and Ilkajir with Rangel, a chairman of the Ways and Means committee..I'm telling you Somaliland missed nice photo opp-good PR Yes they did.

JB what do you get out of this? It is a joke to even take a look at WG let alone soil this forum's reputation with their pure garbage.

Ngonge Remind me never to let you drive my bus old boy.

When it comes to my old friend Oodweyne, that famous Mudug maahmaah suffices. If a wondering man approaches and declares his supreme knowledge of all the chapters of the Holy Qur'an kaa akhrisan maayaa ku filan! The political consequence of Somaliland's position with respect to this meeting has already manifested itself in the scathing words uttered by Chairman Payne. There is really nothing else to the story.

Originally posted by NGONGE: ps I thought the guy that started the thread did not think this was an important 'meeting'! What changed? It was merely a hearing yes, which would not have been out of the ordinary under the normal circumstance, but the ill-calculated reaction of one of the parties invited seems to have given it some importance of its own. This is to say even if none of the recommendations and concerns put forward in the hearing are applied in the reality, the response of ire Somaliland has garnered within the sections of the U.S legislative branch concerned with American policy in Africa will be a lasting consequence on its own. Somaliland has given the meeting an importance of its own with respect to actually achieved policy concerning that part of the world, even if the objective of the hearing is not fulfilled per se.

Originally posted by Oodweyne: Hello Folks , Here is the “little inconvenient truth” that many of you are forever determined to over-look in your ever haste to “condemn” Somaliland. And, that is this “briefing” has been in the works for a while. Furthermore, others, namely some folks who are around Dr. Ted Dagne ( the main force behind this effort ) who mostly are “who-is-who” of the yesterday’s “defeated lot elites” of Somalia, particularly, the Gen. Afweyne’s retired diplomatic officials in Virginia has been cooking up a close relationship with the said Dr. T. Dagne , in turn. And although this Dr. Ted Dagne is from Eretria , but he is also married to a lady from Western Somalia – i.e., “O” – hence, the intention was to organised some kind of a “political trap” for Somaliland through him. Whilst, all along, the said Chairman Payne does not know the “lowly machination” that certain Somalis are up to at his committee’s expense ( through this Dagne chap ), and particularly how they are intending to use the said Dr. Ted Dagne ( who is his congressional assistance for Africa Affairs ) to advanced their “holly-grail” of a policy objective, which is that of making Somaliland as just another “stake-holder” for the troubles in Somalia, in the eyes of US’s Sub-Congressional Committee , particularly in this one that deals with Africa. Hence, whence, we found out the “agenda” behind this “briefing” and whose “political spirit” that the said organising force of that briefing, namely the said Dr. Ted Dagne seemed to be pushing forward; then, we have decided to settled for “no show” , indeed in here, in that briefing. Since, the worse that could happen in here is that the said chairman of that committee would be “crossed” with us, indeed. But, then, all one can say in here, is that the “folks” that really matter in here are men like Mr. Donald Yamamoto , and Mr. Johnnie Carson at the State Department ; and, they, in turn, are well aware of our "real reason" that have forced us to “manoeuvre” in that way, indeed. As for the said Chairman Payne is concern, there is nothing in here, in which a “good lunch” at the Capitol Hall’s various restaurants organised by our foreign minister (i.e., Mr. A. M. Dualeh ) ably assisted as it will be by our Ambassador in the US (i.e., Dr. Sacad Sh. Osman Nuur ), in one fine summer day in July , on behalf of the said gentlemen, so that all “misunderstanding” between us could be smoothed over, along with a decent tete-a-tete between them, could not do, in the end of the day. So, there is nothing in here, folks , for us to be worry about, particularly in that score, indeed... Regards, Oodweyne. And pray who are those "defeated lot elites" whose political muscle is enough to try to corner Somaliland using American legislative apparatus? Kula yaabi maayo sxb. I am reminded of Ould Abdallah when he said "Somalis are amazing in that they believe themselves to be the center of the world when in reality I am begging to get anyone to notice them". The government of the United States of America is not concerned nor is affected by the political constitution and sensitivities of an impoverished province in the world's most impoverished and failed state my friend Oodweyne. That is my only response to the deluded drivel you have penned.

Originally posted by Sophist: " if they want to be isolated, they can be assured that I will do all I can to isolate them... and evidently that they dont need or want the support of US... and will support SOmalia and Puntland". Chairman Pyne! That is a not what Somaliland thought would be the result of ciyaalnimada ey kudhaqmeen! This guy seems to have taken their absence personally! walee waa la idiin digey! S. To be honest the response is as I expected, although not this scathing. Indeed it was taken personally.

Originally posted by AfricaOwn: Dr. Pham Somaliland's most important lobbyist lol was there in person, so that's enough. Pham is a neocon and has no friends in the Democratic corridors of power. The man was one of McCain's junior foreign policy advisers in the presidential campaign. It is only because of his scholarly devotion to the Horn of African that he still gets some respect in this field, not because of any ability to move a finger in the new era of American politics.