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looooooool ""The authority of the civil defense ... issued a warning to the civilian population not to pick up any of those pencils because they are booby traps," he said, adding that the British and American forces were "immoral mercenaries" and "war criminals" for such behavior. "I am not talking about the American people and the British people," he said. "I am talking about those mercenaries. ... They have started throwing those pencils, but they are not pencils, they are booby traps to kill the children." "It has been rumored that we have fired scud missiles into Kuwait. I am here now to tell you, we do not have any scud missiles and I don't know why they were fired into Kuwait." "I triple guarantee you, there are no American soldiers in Baghdad." Britain "is not worth an old s***" "I speak better English than this villain Bush" "Bush is a very stupid man. The American people are not stupid, they are very clever. I can't understand how such clever people came to elect such a stupid president." "Who is this dog Franks in Qatar?" "Bush doesn't even know if Spain is a republic or a kingdom, how can they follow this man?" "They think we are retarded - they are retarded." "Listen, this explosion does not frighten us any langer. The cruise missiles do not frighten anyone. We are catching them like fish in a river. I mean here that over the past two days we managed to shoot down 196 missiles before they hit their target." [On surrenders] "Those are not Iraqi soldiers at all. Where did they bring them from?" This guy is hilarious. .....and more at al-Sahaf

Uhm.... I guarantee that if everyone who participated in this thread goes back and reads the thread again, you guys will agree that every in here is either (if there was such a thing in Somali politics) in the extreme right or extreme left, no in betweens. Exreme right meaning you are praising everything the SNM did and extreme left meaning you are against everything the SNM did.

Lander said: ".....and they still ask why Somaliland gained independence" That was horribe and inhumane and unimaginable, yet it is a reality and you use it for political reasons? The political arena was left behind when a Somali burned another Muslim, Somali.

As these "elections" are underway, the UN security council is adhering to Somalia's unity. SOMALIA: UN discusses improving arms embargo implementation NAIROBI, 15 Apr 2003 (IRIN) - The UN Security Council has discussed better ways of implementing the UN arms embargo on Somalia, according to a press statement issued on Monday. The Council's proceedings followed a report presented late last month by the panel monitoring the embargo in which it said the embargo was consistently being breached. It recommended that the Council send a clear signal that all future violators would face sanctions. The three-member Panel of Experts, investigating violations of the arms embargo on Somalia, was named by UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan last September. Last week its mandate was extended by the Council for another six months. The Council expressed deep concern "about this continued flow of weapons and military equipment from sources outside Somalia, and called on all member states to support and cooperate with the panel in the implementation of its mandate". The statement said Council members had reaffirmed the importance "of the sovereignty, territorial integrity, political independence and unity of Somalia". http://www.irinnews.org/report.asp?ReportID=33487&SelectRegion=Horn_of_Africa&SelectCountry=SOMALIA Unity for Somalia! Unity for Somalia! Unity for the Somali Republic! Allah save our Souls.

Here is another piece about him: Our man on the roof Amid bombs and bullets, crippled tanks and toppling statues, the BBC's man in Baghdad has remained cool and calm, lucidly recounting the defeat of Saddam. Little wonder his fan club is growing, here and in the US Vanessa Thorpe Sunday April 13, 2003 The Observer Confronted by daily news broadcasts that detail the bleakest of human activities - for example, groups of people killing each other - the British public can be relied upon to focus on some bright star in the darkness. In this war that bright star is Rageh Omaar. The Somalian-born television reporter has been propelled into a high-profile national position with amazing rapidity by the conflict in Iraq. Standing alone on his Baghdad rooftop, awaiting the allied onslaught each evening in early March, he quickly became a household fixture; a still point in the turning world, resplendent in his bright red fleece. As the face of the BBC on the terrestrial channels and on BBC News 24, Omaar's mere location at the eye of an accelerating storm had a drama he did not have to do much to communicate. But recently he has found himself in the thick of it, reporting on the death of colleagues in the hotel he shares with fellow journalists and commentating live on the drawn-out toppling of that recalcitrant statue with an energy and intensity that matched the historic moment. An astonishing 4.3 million viewers tuned into to Omaar as they waited for Saddam's bronze likeness to be pulled over at 3.45pm on BBC1 - that's 48 per cent of the audience share. Since the start of the war on 20 March nearly 90 per cent of the population have watched him on either the weekday BBC news bulletins or on News 24. The reports have been syndicated across the US too. This weekend, not surprisingly then, there are persistent rumours that American news networks are determined to poach him, as they have other British news presenters such as Daljit Dhaliwal, Brent Sadler and Lara Logan. CNN, it is said, has already made an offer, but the BBC are holding hard. 'We are delighted that other people think Rageh is doing as well as we do,' a spokeswoman said this weekend. And there has been fan mail. One elderly headmistress of a girls' school has confessed herself entranced by 'that nice boy', while Ann Treneman was merely the first national journalist to suggest in print that Omaar is the only war reporter who is getting better looking as the conflict progresses. Last month the New York Post dubbed him the 'Scud Stud' of this war (the name was coined during the 1991 Gulf conflict for NBC's Arthur Kent who also wrote regularly for The Observer ). Last week T-shirts bearing Omaar's noble features were printed and sold on the internet as mementos of the war, along, it must be admitted, with rival tops emblazoned with the less inspiring countenance of Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf, better known as the former Iraqi Information Minister, or Comical Ali. But if Omar has reached the status of cultural icon partly through talent, he has also got there by accident. When news editors planned coverage of the coming conflict they were wary of embedding their big-name journalists with the armed forces. It was feared their output might be controlled by the military. As a result the BBC's big names - John Simpson and Fergal Keane, for example - were held back and placed around the edges. When the fighting started, and particularly after the death of Terry Lloyd, it became clear much of the terrain 'in country' was too dangerous for free-wheeling journalists and news coverage began to rely on those who were 'embedded' outside the big cities and on those, like Omaar, in Baghdad. 'Other than in Baghdad and in northern Iraq,' said Richard Sambrook, head of BBC news, 'it's extremely difficult for us to work independently, on safety grounds - as the death of an ITN team showed - so we are inhibited from independent journalism in a way that we weren't during the first [1991] Gulf war.' Of course, Omaar is not the only British journalist in the capital. His radio colleague Andrew Gilligan, the Today programme's defence and diplomatic correspondent, has also been heavily employed, most notably when he was fired at live on-air a few days ago. Others have also been prominent, for instance, David Chater of Sky News and Lindsey Hilsum of Channel 4 News , who made a memorable visit to a hospital visit outside Baghdad early on. Print journalists have also made their mark in and around Baghdad, notably the war veteran Robert Fisk of the Independent, Suzanne Goldenberg of the Guardian and Anton Antonowicz of the Mirror . Yet it is Omaar and, increasingly, his colleague Gilligan who have been at the centre of another virtual battle, the infamous tug of war for hearts and minds. As representatives of British state-funded media they have been criticised for being mouthpieces of both the Baghdad Broadcasting Corporation and the Bush Broadcasting Corporation. Writing in the Sunday Telegraph, Omaar said he chuckled when he heard pundits deploring an 'Iraqi bias' in Baghdad bulletins. 'If only they could spend a day with us in the press centre at Iraq's Ministry of Information in Baghdad, which was heavily bombed last night,' he wrote. 'Yes, there are daily briefings by Iraqi Ministers and carefully organised trips for journalists in the presence of Ministry officials. But by putting such severe restrictions on where we are allowed to set up our broadcasting equipment, the regime ensures that many reports that they so diligently help us to gather are simply never sent out.' Sensitivities reached their height with regard to Omaar when Centcom in Qatar claimed troops who fired on the Palestine Hotel and killed two television journalists were responding to enemy fire. Omaar was among those who testified that no sniper fire had been heard. Support for his performance from editors in London has been swift and total. Jonathan Baker, the BBC's Worldwide editor, told The Observer this weekend that one of Omaar's strengths was his depth of knowledge. 'Rageh has been reporting from the country on and off for more than six years and has spent several months there in the last year alone,' said Baker. 'As a result he speaks with a knowledge and authority which other writers less well-versed in Iraqi affairs and history cannot match.' Baker also praised his skills as a communicator. 'He has the classic virtues of the BBC foreign correspondent,' he added. 'Commitment to the story over a period, even-handedness in his reporting, and an ability to impart extra value to his coverage with explanations and analysis when required.' Omaar, who lives in Johannesburg when he isn't posted elsewhere, gains some of his insight from three months spent studying Arabic in Jordan in 1996. He was born in Mogadishu on 19 July 1967 and is the youngest of four children. Moving to Britain as a child, he went to Cheltenham Boys College and on to Oxford where he studied Modern History. He started out in journalism as a trainee at the Voice newspaper in Brixton and then worked for a short spell on the now-defunct London magazine City Limits, before moving to Ethiopia in 1991 where he freelanced for the BBC World Service. He returned to London the following year as a producer for Focus on Africa based in Bush House, home of the World Service, and then became producer/reporter on Newshour. After a period as the BBC's Amman correspondent in 1997, he covered the drought in Ethiopia and the floods in Mozambique as Developing World correspondent. Omaar's current title is Africa Correspondent, which is why he lives in South Africa with his wife Nina, a former occupational therapist and the daughter of Sir John and Lady Montgomery Cuninghame. The couple met at a wedding in India and now have two children, Loula, aged two, and a baby son called Sami. BBC sources suggest that he may well be seeing them all for the first time in more than six months this weekend. He is believed to be taking some well-deserved rest and recuperation, although he may find he is now more widely recognised in the streets of Jo'burg than he could ever have predicted. Colleagues have nothing but generous things to say about this journalist who remained cool and patient as the armed forces closed in, and then got appropriately excited when the people of Baghdad threw their shoes at the fallen dictator's bronze effigy. Aside from being a reporter with integrity, Omaar, like the BBC's Clive Myrie, is proving an inspirational figure for young black reporters. 'The Rageh you see on screen and hear on the radio is an exact match to the person you meet off-air,' says his boss Baker. 'Unassuming, unaffected, committed to his job and a thoroughly nice man.' RAGEH OMAAR DoB: 19 July 1967 (Mogadishu, Somalia) Family: Lives in Johannesburg with his wife Nina. They have one daughter and one son Education: Cheltenham Boys College and Oxford First job: With the Voice newspaper in Brixton Heroes: George Alagiah, Charles Wheeler, Robert Fisk, Trevor McDonald

the most intelligent observations I have seen from a group of Somalis. I'm telling the truth. If you are the Somali youth, then i am proud to say that Somalia has a great future in store for her. Keep up the good work!

I didn't even know that the BBC english service had Somali until a couple of days ago when C-Span (the Somalis in America might know this) started airing the BBC World Service and I saw the fella you guys are talking about. At first I didn't think he was Somali even though he looked like one of us until his name came up on the screen and he pronounced the "ca" part of an Iraq by the name of General Saadi (Sacdi). Very fluent in english, puts shame on the English as first language speakers!

From SoulSearcher's http://www.onemancult.com/rwanda/rwandapaper.html: " Though evidence is weak and highly disputed, probably some 600 years ago a society of Cushtic pastoralists migrated from the Horn of Africa and settled in Rwanda. Descendants from this stock are categorized as Tutsi. Stereotypically, and in opposition to Hutu and Twa peoples, Tutsi tend to be tall and thin in stature with high foreheads, straight noses, and black gums ."

Qaxoti thanx bro, but I will have to pass that offer up. I don't think I am capable of running the show. Might I nominate myself for Foreign Minister or Somalia's ambassador to the UN, Arab League, or African Union? I am curious though why did you nominate me?

Jamaal, aboow i thought the Somali conflict with the Abbysinian/Ethiopian empire started in the 1500's when Ahmed Garaad waged a Jihad on Lebna Dengel, the emporer of Ethiopia at that time ?

Matkey, aboow, no problem, but i'm a male! So far I think only Brown_Sugah gave me an answer to what i've been lookin for. For those brothers and sisters that are going a road away from the topic, let me just say that most if not all of the current Somali polticians with some sort of power have worked with or for Siad Barre during the tenure of his dictatorship. Shaatigudud was one of his special Red Berets (Duub Cas). Abdiqasim Salaad Hassan (current TNG pres) held several ministerial posts. Daahir Riyaale Kaahin (current Somaliland pres) was the chief of Siad Barre's secret police, Berbera division. Hassan Abshir Faarah (current TNG prime minister) was the mayor of Muqdisho, governor of Bay and Bakool region and ambassador to several countries. Morgan was a general and commonly called the "Butcher of Hargeisa". And so on..... If we disqualify all these current powerhouses and more as not having a chance to contest the presidency, aren't we living in some sort of dream? Unless an Afghanistan-kind of thing happens or a a professional assassin comes by and shoots all the warlords and engineers of the civil war in cold blood, we can't choose the president by who had an affiliation with Siad Barre or not! Again I ask, do you think that if Abdirahman Jamac Barre were to be chosen president by some miracle, that the other warlords would accept him? And would it have something to do with his clan and close family ties with Siad Barre? Thanx

Salaamz Matkey, aboow I don't think you clearly understood me and I think you made a hasty reply with a misunderstanding. A J. Barre was the foreign ministerfor a time under the Siad Barre regime, and even then that title [foreign minister] was a ceremonial one because Siad Barre himself was the foreign minister. He controlled his regime's relations with the international community. you said: no one is saying any thing about qabiil Aren't you wrong, everything politics in our country is about qabiil at this moment. You, in Canada, might not care about what politician comes from that clan or this clan, but Muuse Suudi, Caydiid, Abdullahi yusuf, etc, staked their lives on their clan's suport. You are dead wrong. Let me just say also, that I support any ICC indictments on the perpetuators of the Somali civil war, but at this moment it is not about that, it is more on appeasing the warlords into a coalition government. And would those warlords form a coalition government under the presidency of a Mareehaan and one that is so close to Siad Barre?

Salaamz Nomads I posted this article not to get "i would vote for him" or "i wouldn't vote for him" kind of reply. I would've liked to get your input of whether he should be given a fair democratic chance of contesting the presidency of the Somali Republic or should he be dismissed because of his last name. This guy is fairly new to me, but I should say what I have read about him isn't bad. He is not a warlord and has distanced himself from the anarchy and warlordism that has gripped our egalitarian society this past decade. The only political career he has had was being the foreign minister in (I can't remember) for a short time under Siad Barre. He was not involved in the power struggle that occured between the former prime minister Maxamad Cali Samanter and Siad Barre's wife Khadijah with her kids when Siad Barre got into an auto accident and had to be flown to Saudi Arabia for medical attention in the late 80's. To me personally I wouldn't ever choose him as president, because he was a failure at being foreign minister, but old wounds are coming back to fester. There is still a lot of anti-this clan or anti-that clan bullshit going on in the motherland, so do you think this is a slap in the face to prominent warlords and their clans that another Mareehaan is coming back to claim the top post and could this lead to more division? I mean we have all heard what Muuse Suudi said on the BBC a while ago directed to Abdullahi Yusuf on the grounds that the latter was a Darood. What about specifically a Mareehaan staking claim and one that is so close to Siad Barre?

Abdirahman Jamac Barre is Siad Barre's cousin, not his brother to correct this article; but anyway I thought it would be interesting to read this piece. Barre's brother to contest Somalia top post By Eliud Chisika -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A brother to former Somalia President Mohammed Siad Barre said today he would contest the country's presidency at the conclusion of the reconciliation talks currently under progress in Nairobi. Dr Abdul Rahman Barre said his vision was to unite Somalia and work for prosperity and peace. He made the declaration as the Somalia reconciliation talks ran into new trouble following last week's walkout by three warlords. The Mogadishu based warlords walked out of the peace process claiming that the initiative being facilitated by the Inter Governmental Authority on Development (Igad) is not achieving its intended objectives. Kenyan special envoy to Somalia Bethwel Kiplagat has been trying to woo back the Transitional National Government (TNG) and other groups to return to the talks. Barre who formerly served as Foreign Affairs Minister in his brother's regime said he would work for peace and reconciliation to heal the wounds of conflict in Somalia. "We have been through a great deal of turmoil in Somalia. The chance for peace is now," he said. Barre said he was confident that the entire Somalia would support his bid because of his public record. He said he had served Somalia with dedication when he was in government and understood well the needs of the country. He however took a swipe at warlords and other groups who he said were sabotaging the reconciliation talks. He said the talks presented the best opportunity for the Somalis" and no one should be allowed to interfere with them." He said it was the democratic right of the Somalia people to elect leaders of their choice after the parties agree during the reconciliation talks. "The choice of a leader must be through consensus. But first there must be trust building from the talks being sponsored by Igad," he said

April 5, 2003 -- WASHINGTON - One hundred and four Republican House members are demanding the firing of a Columbia University professor over inflammatory anti-war comments he made. Nicholas De Genova, an assistant professor of anthropology, called for the defeat of U.S. forces in Iraq and told an anti-war gathering that he wanted to see "a million Mogadishus" - a reference to an 1993 operation in Somalia in which 18 GIs were killed and 84 wounded. Yesterday, 104 House members, led by Rep. J.D. Hayworth (R-Ariz.), sent a letter to Columbia President Lee Bollinger demanding that De Genova be fired. "As an assistant professor, De Genova has not yet earned the promise of lifelong academic employment - i.e. tenure. We hope that you will take steps immediately to ensure he never gets it," the letter said. Rep. Vito Fossella (R-S.I.) said De Genova's statements "call into question his overall judgement." Bollinger has said he was appalled by the statements but they were not made in a classroom and the professor was exercising his right to free speech. A school spokeswoman said Columbia was standing by Bollinger's earlier statement.

Hodan you could've just wrote that down at Strong Ethiopia is a threat to Somalia.

Rahima, abaayo, Allah khayr iyo sharaf naftaada hasaaro. This is when i fell in love with you: "Subxanallah! Akhi it is Allah in His infinite wisdom that decides when victory to the believers will come, and if it hasn't come yet, even if it doesn't come for another 100 years, we MUST NEVER loose hope in Allah." True, Inamal acmaalu bin niyaati (actions are judged but by intentiosn). If it was Siad barre's intentions to go to war over the Ogaden for nationalistic reasons then Allaah subxanu watacala will judge him by his intentions, but if it is in our intentions to liberate Somali galbeed from almost slavery then Allah subxanu watacala will judge us by our intentions.

Whether you call it Ogaadeenya or Somali Galbeed is not of much relevance, but Ladiif you were wrong and did not understand what the whole topic was about. The Ogadeen is not only settled by the ******* clan. It is settled by my own *********, and other Somali clans and sub-clans. You cannot claim the Ogaden as yours, when it is populated by Somalis across countless clans. http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/somalia_ethnic77.jpg {Point to the map and click on the button that appears to see a bigger picture} Yusufaddie, no one claims the Ogaden War as a Jihaad, so stop with your nonsense. if you think it is unIslamic to liberate an oppressed people than that is your mentality, but don't get me wrong I welcome your input. [ April 06, 2003, 06:52 AM: Message edited by: Libaax-Sankataabte ]

Miskin Believe the Hutus are a Negroid tribe.

I just want to say that I completely agree with Zaylici. "Africans are collection of races with diverse hisotrical experiences." "the fact is that we share nothing. even we do not share a color and geography is nothing After all Arabs are Africans." "After all to be an Asian is not an identity it is georaphy and nothing more."

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Somaliland Patriot, my fault, I should've said he was the only Western journalist to stay in Baghdad during the whole course of the first Gulf war. Here is an excerpt from http://knightfellows.stanford.edu/public/lectures/arnette_bio.html "Early in 1990, he transferred to CNN’s bureau in Jerusalem. He observed, studied and learned about the Mideast in depth, and was in the right place at the right time when the Gulf War began. He remained in Baghdad when other journalists left, and thus became the only western journalist to report from Iraq during the entire course of the war, and conducted the only interview with Saddam Hussein during the conflict."

Salaamz brother or sister. To me, in my heart, the ultimate goal for Somalis and to Muslims world wide is to unite for a single Islamic state under a rightfull Khaliiph. I believe that starts for us Somalis to unify our State and seek claim to our pre-colonial lands. The Europeans/Westerners are the ones to have destroyed the Ottamen Empire and divided us, and now when we ask for our lands back they call it mere nationalism, irredentist movements, or border conflict. They try to make it seem vile and oppurtunistic. Inshallah, sooner or later the Somalis will build and install a non-clanistic government and we will get our lands back. Inshallah, sooner or later Nabi Ciise will come back and unify the Muslims after he kills Dijaal as prophesised in the Qur'aan, so we have to keep in mind this goes far more than the present. Thanx. Seatown in tha house, huh? Alla- Mahadle