Was it informative Shujui?

Ayoub_Sheikh brother you seem to me like a person who doesn't pay much attention to Somali current events. HornAfrique it's time you ease up on this paranoia and obsession over a non-existant 'empire'. i see them as week, poor and ever-starving people who depend on us for their survival. If they were an empire, they would not be a land-locked country relying on somaliland. i'm sure their leaders would be thrilled if they ever read their quotes that you keep repeating on this forum. enemies of Somali people come in every shape, form, size and colour, not just this long dead empire of which 50% of it's people are Muslims. we have to deal with our foes in a smart way, not using 1970's rhetoric. To have an enemy is believable, but to be blind to that enemy is unbelievable. I would recommend you read a book called Oromia and Ethiopia, State Formation and Ethnonational Conflict, 1868-1996 by Asafa Jalata. The Muslims of Ethiopia are not my problem, and Islam in Ethiopia is purely spiritual and it does not have any power. My enemy is , and I have constantly said, the Habasho gaals that have always ruled the Ethiopian Empire. ....to remove sand and garbage from streets of Mogadisho'? . is see it as an insult. Pride is a sin, even though your supposed pride is a farce. You are trying to make the people of this forum to see you as a person who feels insulted by being helped to clean up the garbage of the Somali capital of Muqdisho. I don't feel any insult by what the ILO is doing. I actually feel happy that our people are getting a chance to break the cycle of violence in our motherland, and if that is done by a small thing such as this, then hey go ahead you have my full backing. you claimed your article had 'hope, dignity....' . is there any dignity in ILO launching a project to Yes, there is, because it shows the international community is launching projects that are not politically motivated, but is for the people by the people. Hope, because the international community is focusing back on us, and dignity, because by doing something that doesn't involve violence for once, we're regaining the respect we lost by killing each other. No doubt, Ethiopia had definite imperial ambitions . Maybe they still exist . But this is only allowed because as muslims we are divided , the umma is weak. Maybe you should listen to more of what you write Waaq. For more info, please go here and read it from an experienced person. HORN OF AFRICA'S PROBLEM IS THE LEGACY OF THE ABYSINIAN EMPIRE

Dang walahi that moved me big time, Khayr. Where is your friend right now?

I would have to say my favorite nomads are Shujui-1 and Baashi and also Ms Word. If it wasn't for Shujui and baashi, i would have been eaten alive in the various debates I've been in. I like Ms words poetry.

I also find it sad you compare us to Jews, maybe you would like to elaborate more on that part Ali. Bravo Lander

Salaamz Ayoub, since we are so observant, let me clarify that a gaal who wants to help you is better then a gaal who wants to divide and destroy you and your religion. Nabi Maxamed said that a pagan woman, a prostitue went to heaven because she gave water to a dying dog. If your questions were for constructive reasons then I welcome them, but if there are hidden meanings and conniving intentions, then it is said that, that is the work of Shaytaan. Acuudu bilaah. You said your article ends with '....intergrated approach to addressing people's needs, gender and adherence to ILO decent work principals' I think our Muslim sisters in this great forum would agree that there is discrimination against the female gender across countless cultures, including ours. If the entirety of our culture was based on the islamic religion, then there wouldn't be discrimination against females and that article would not have said "intergrated approach to addressing [the]...gender [problem]. The other part about addressing people's needs; obviously you don't need to ask me that question. People in muqdisho need something to keep them busy and this is a great oppurtunity for them to turn away from the violence that has plagued our beloved country for so long. Any sensible Somali, who uses half the brain that Allah gave him/her wouldn't question the motive of the ILO. Secondly the article is not the spokesperson for the ILO, and I am not the spokesman for the article and it's journalist. It was because of the agenda of the community project that I posted that article, not because I care about who the journalist is. Allah-Mahadleh

Well I hope you enjoy that lobster.

Gediid point well taken brotha, but i want to restress what I wrote earlier. What hope in the Horn of Africa did the article you brought talk about? Instead of writing about real hope, this article was a politically motivated peice that basically layed waste to the Somali people that live in that part of Somalia.

Well said brotha..that is my Somali brotha.

and the answer is.....?

HornAfrique u been in Dejebuti? i dont know but i feel you are a french speaking person, or you like the french revolution, ask Che Guvauro he might help u in revolution history. i dont know something about u is french, and u seee to think that horn of africa is the place to be.. Never been to Djibouti, don't speak french and have no interest in the french revolution. Nothing about me is french, but I do think the Horn is the place to be. That's 1 out of 5. You're 20% correct.looooooool

Boyz two.

Macsalaama.

What hope in the Horn of Africa did the article you brought talk about. Instead of writing about real hope, this article was a politically motivated peice that basically layed waste to the Somali people that live in that part of Somalia. Example: Silanyo's Kulmiye Party emerged as the clear winner in Hargeisa. Silanyo thus has good reasons to ask: what if? His party spoke of legally testing the outcome of the election, saying there were problems with the count. Since Kaahin was elected "president" this quote implies that the voting was a hoax. Which is contradictory to what "Somaliland" is selling to the world of free and fair elections. Example: Despite their straitened circumstances the men of this country spend $600 000 a day buying the qat from neighbouring Ethiopia. They spend most afternoons chewing on the leaves to get the appetite suppressing and alertness enhancing affects of the amphetamine they contain. Donor countries might complain about the squandering of their aid on this mild drug - if there were donor countries. And you Geediid said I also wanted to show this young forum that even though they hear of so much negativity when it comes to Somalis all is not lost and somewhere someplace where Somalis live This article was written by a careless journalist and I think the only highlights of it were when he wrote that Ethiopia will not be the first to recognize "Somaliland" and that South Africa will not even want to recognize it. If you want to write about the hopes, dignity, and endurance of our people please bring meaningful articles like this: April 25, 2003 Nairobi The International Labour Organisation (ILO) has launched a prototype community project in parts of the Somali capital Mogadishu which it hopes will be expanded to cover the entire city. The project, implemented by a local NGO, SAACID (Somali for 'To Help'), has employed 600 local people (300 men and 300 women) and hired private sector hauliers to remove sand and garbage from the streets of Mogadishu. The scheme, launched earlier this month, is being carried out in six of the city's 16 districts for a period of three months. "The project is seen very much as a test case to determine whether it is possible to operate effectively in war-ravaged Mogadishu," said Joe Connolly, the project's chief technical adviser. He said extensive discussions were held with community, clan, business and political leaders ahead of the work, and the project has generally received widespread support. "The ILO views access to decent work as a basic human right and a critical factor in support of economic recovery, reconciliation and peace," Connolly added. "Hopefully this relatively simple project will act as a first step for an expanded and more structured employment-intensive project that will cover all of the 16 districts," he said. The ILO hopes the project will also act as a foundation on which to build long term community-based economic development initiatives. Connolly noted that similar projects had already been launched successfully in post-conflict countries such as Mozambique, Bosnia, Serbia, Cambodia, East Timor and Colombia. They include core elements of local ownership, an integrated approach to addressing people's needs, gender and adherence to ILO decent work principles.

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Now we are a failed state and with that comes the eminence of local decision making. Yet you refuse to taste your own medicine; the right to secede. This is how it tastes: this newly find liberty will be excersiced by all sides within former Somaliland border. -Baashi And many Somali countries we can be proud of, instead of just killing each other in one. -Samy_Gyrl Who sounds sane and is in the interest of the whole Somali nation?

the road to Damuscus is through Syria Bush didn't waste time did he?

I honestly have to say I admire your willingness to try and bring about Somali Unity through the introduction of a perceived common threat. Lander aboow first of all let me just say that history has showed that the Somali people are united when they have a perceived or present common enemy, i.e The Empire of Ethiopia. Second of all it's funny how you try to bring logic to an idea that is illogical. How can we confront Ethiopia's hidden agendas on our people when we are divided? Emperor Haile Sellassie himself made his formal claim to our nation/state in his speech at Gabredare in the Ogaden on August 25, l956: "The people of ex-Italian, British, French Somaliland are to achieve independence in the near future. We are confident that they will also remember that unity is strength, even as the Eritreans recognized that unity is strength. Not only they, but the whole world will recognize that we are united by race, color, economics, and that we all drink from the same great river. . .As to the rumors of a greater Somalia, we consider that all the Somali peoples are economically linked with all Ethiopia and, therefore, we do not believe that such a State can be viable standing alone separated from Ethiopia. We will speak of this more fully when the proper time comes. uhm. Is this what you want? For our peoples and lands to be engulfed in a larger empirical habash state?

ETHIOPIAN PLOTS OVER SOMALIA The history of East Africa is a witness to religious transgressions by the Christian Ethiopians against the Muslim Somalis who seem to inherit these transgressions with every new generation. These incursions date back to the Islamic kingdoms of Taraz and continue through the eras of the Ethiopian occupation of the Somali lands including Harar. From 1977 to these days, when we see Jihad going through its highest stage, no sooner that we see the people recuperate from war for a short period of time that we see it going again and raging fiercely. The war throughout these years was one where victory was shifting between the two parties, as is the nature of the war between truth and falsehood. However, there are elements which accompanied this war and distinguished its battles, amongst which are: 1- Ongoing support from Christian countries to Ethiopia in its battles against the Muslims and their supplies of troops, money, and arms, in addition to political support. Everytime the Christian throne in this area began to topple, and the Muslims appear to be nearing victory, these countries would rush to help Ethiopia and stand by its side. As a contemporary example of the assistance of Christian countries to Ethiopia, America has been reported in the book "The red sea and the Arab Israeli conflict", "Ethiopia received from the United States between 1953 and 1974 economic aid to the value of 35 million dollars, and military aid to the value of 2,786 million dollars, these amounts were 50% of the aid which America paid to the entire African continent during this period." There was also a defense alliance between America and Ethiopia for 25 years until it was discontinued by Mangisto Hila Mariam. Mahmoud Shaker referreded in his book "Islamic History" to a speech made by the American minister of defense Robert McNamara before an armed forces committee sponsored by the American Congress which included: "The center of our interests in Africa is Ethiopia, and some of the other African countries...." When Ethiopia was about to fall into a political quagmire, America rushed to make amends between the government of Mangisto and the other groups, which finally led to the departure of Mangisto from Addis Ababa and his taking refuge in Zimbabwe. All this took place in accordance to the plans and the blessings of America in order to rescue Christianity and to further block the emergence of the Muslims in the region, and to remove the opportunity for the Muslims to have self determination. They also sponsored the Jabray front which is the more fundamentalist Christian group. When the militias of this group went into Addis Ababa, the West -at the forefront of which was America- stood by its side. America continues to this day to pour vast amounts of money on this group in addition to the provision of military support where there are 5000 American troops at the Debrezit air base. These American forces also partook in the three prong attacks on Mujahideen bases in Western Somalia in April 1994. Added to this are their political support and the other types of aid. BBC reported an article from the "James Defense weekly" that the Ethiopian defense minister admitted that America promised his government additional military aid including military jets, and that America also promised to organize the Ethiopian army which currently works as tribal militias most of whom are from Tigray. The report added that an American agent visited Addis Ababa in February and expressed his approval of the policies which are being pursued by the governing regime in Addis Ababa. This clearly indicates that the policies of invasions and transgressions which Ethiopia is pursuing in the African Horn are taking place under American planning and direction. The report also mentioned that Ethiopia is no longer of the same strategic value to America after the split of Eritrea as it is now a closed country with no sea port. However, America continues to use it as a trump card against the Muslim countries in the region. 2- Amongst the important elements which distinguished this war is the fact that Ethiopia dreamed throughout this war to reach the waters of the red sea, as it also had expansionist designs claiming that the Muslims are invaders with no right of existence in EastAfrica. This had been claimed openlyby the kings and heads of government of Ethiopia on numerous occasions. Ethiopian plots did not stop at this, they in fact strived continuously to affect the internal politics of Somalia through introducing puppets into Somali government and society in order to overtake Somalia and contain it. During the Djibouti meeting between Mangisto and Ziyyad Barry in 1986, Mangisto demanded that the seaside city of Zilg be given to him in exchange for his withdrawal from Belanby and Jaldujob which were occupied by Ethiopia after the 1977 war. The Tigray front which is governing in Addis Ababa continues to look for a sea port as did its predecessor governments. What is new now is the creation of opportunities for this group which had not been created for any previous Ethiopian government, through the fact that there is no longer a government, not even a weak one, which means that the traditional enemy "Somalia" no longer demands any concern. Added to this is the fact that all the fighting groups in Somalia arose and received their nursing in the laps of Ethiopia. From a second view, Ethiopia organizes mass migrations to Somalia. A responsible source in Somalia confirmed that Ethiopia is conspiring to change the demography of the coastal cities in Somalia. These mass migrations come at a time when the Somalis are fleeing their country and migrating away from the famine and lack of security, Ethiopia in turn helps these people by granting them an Ethiopian passport despite knowing their different nationality. In addition to this, the media in the West are giving an image of Somalia as a jungle with wild beasts which prey on all that go to it!! These Ethiopian migrants currently form a sizable minority in the major cities in Somalia, in particular the coastal cities. Ajjal has announced the granting of citizenship to those so called Ethiopian refugees in Hergisa at a time when the people in Hergisa are receiving the worst treatment in the camps in Ethiopia. Evidence at hand indicates that these Ethiopian refugees are heavily armed which is helping them to counter any obstacle in the way of their establishing in Somalia. From a third view, Ethiopia is striving vigorously to remove a psychological barrier and the enmity with the Somalis against the Christian Ethiopians so that they can overlook the Ethiopian transgressions. There is also an international Christian cooperation to prepare the climate for this. The Christian countries, which opened their doors for the migration of the Somalis, moved their offices, which usually met the refugees, from Kenya to Addis Ababa in order to associate the Somalis with Ethiopia as their original capital as desired by the Christian West. There was also an opening of a new Radio station in Addis Ababa which broadcasts its programs in the Somali language and is funded by an International Children's Fund in order to present an alternative for the Mogadishu station and Radio Hergisa, and in order to confuse the Somalis with the Ethiopian propaganda. This station also sends correspondents to Somalia to conduct interviews in order to influence public opinion. What is worse and more cunning than this are the incursions of the Ethiopian forces into Somali territory including the cities of Bourma, Jibily, and Jalkiyu, where they go on raids, steal what they can and extensively place land mines in various areas. They have also fired their weapons on many occasions at the mosque of Bourma leading to the wounding of members of the Islamic Union who were offering prayers. Information on hand also indicates that Western organizations are paying particular attention to the region of Udil where the city of Bourma is, and they are working on opening roads and paths, the plots behind these activities are presently unknown. It would not be unexpected if Ethiopia declares soon its annexation of Udil in view of their presence there, and in view of the fact that it has a sea port into the Red sea and it has the city of Zilg which Mangisto attempted to take previously. It is also the closest seaside city to Ethiopia, with the city of Bourma being no more than 120 kilometers away from Bourma. Another claim is the fact that the tribe of Jedbirsy which lives in the area is a weak tribe with many branches inside Ethiopia. The military commander in the occupied Somali territory sent both oral and written messages in July last year to the leaders in the city of Las'nud, threatening the population of Las'nud with aerial bombardment and a military invasion if they do not put a stop to the Muslim Da'wa efforts, under the claim that they are a source of stress and threat to the Ethiopian government. On the ninth of August 1996, Ethiopia launched heavy military campaigns both on land and in the air against the city of Jidu in Southern Somalia. This campaign was restricted to the cities which were under Islamic control in the area, with the Ethiopian invasion killing scores of innocent civilians and destroying many suburbs, ports and mosques where the name of Allah is mentioned. All these efforts are to destroy the alert elements in Somalia and the people who are calling to Islam, in order for the air to be clear for them to corrupt the land and take it over. What removes any doubt that the plan to take over the Somali ports had begun; is the report of the Ethiopian minister for transport, who is of Somali origin, to the BBC, that his government intends to expand its economic activities and requires a number of ports to use for their exports and imports. He also announced on his return from Djibouti that his government's state of readiness to use the neighboring ports including Barbara, Busasu, Mogadishu, Bourma, and Mombassa for 40% of their needs. An extradition treaty had also been signed prior to this announcement between Ijal and Addis Ababa which included the pursuit of suspects over each others borders. This treaty included the use of the Barbara ports without payment of taxes or port duties. In summary, the government of Ethiopia will not stop or spare an effort until it occupies a sea port and annexes this to its territory, there is no doubt that it is preparing to take over Somalia whilst its people are in a state of civil war. However, there continues to be some obstacles in their way which they are planning to remove, these obstacles include: 1 - The Jihad in Western Somalia. This had become obvious after the invasion which America and Eritrea took part in as allies with Ethiopia against the Mujahideen in Western Somalia in 1994. In this respect America promised vast amounts of money and armaments in order to close the boundary with Somalia. This was a mere preface to the conspiracy to take over the important cities such as Bourma and Birhidly. Ethiopian forces have already reached these cities and are threatening to disarm the people. However, when the Mujahideen increased their attacks using the militia strategy, the Christian alliance became distracted from their advance on Somalia. This clarifies the importance of Jihad in Western Somalia and the fact that it forms a Strategic post for the revival of the Muslims of Somalia. 2 - The sincere teachers of Islam, the callers to the way of Allah are constantly working to revive and advice society and enlighten them with respect to the reality of their situation and what dangers they are facing. For this reason the Christian front began to ambush the Muslim teachers. The nefarious Christians have so far assassinated Shaykh Abdul Qader who is an Imam in a Mosque in Bourma, whilst on his way to perform the night prayer. We have already mentioned their firing into a mosque in the same city. 3 - Instability in Ethiopia as the matter has not seeped into the Tigray front yet, for the Amhiru are ready to pounce as are the Urmu, who are preparing to reclaim their rights which had been usurped a few centuries before. The elections which took place in Addis Ababa were mere efforts to calm the situation. 4 - The language barrier which is making it difficult for them to easily mix with the Somalis, for this reason, they are expending a great deal of effort to leathe Somali language, many of which have this task . By: Abu Hammam Al-Ibrahimi, Islamic Research Institute/Kuwait

Euqirfanroh :confused: :confused:

Originally posted by Ameenah: ^^ Your proud of your African heritage. Perhaps even a Pan Africanist, most definately a patriot (of Somalia - greater). I would also say that you likely to be a Sujui .. brought up in Kenya .. meelahaas.. close? How about me ....... what does my nick say? Ameenah I am definetely a patriot of Greater Somalia. I am very proud of my Somali heritage and no, abaayo I'm not a Siju. I was born in Muqdisho, raised in Gedo, and my parents are from Mudug. I can't say I'm a pan-Africanist, because Somali interests tend to conflict with African interests. I'm not a name reader, but your name probably says your real name is Ameenah, the name of someone close to you is, or a name you want.

Couldn't agree with you more Baashi, but I did think this piece was interesting. Somalia thriving despite war and neglect Somalia has been a lawless place for almost 10 years since its central government collapsed in 1991. Warlords supported by heavily armed militias have ruled the areas under their control like personal fiefdoms. So how has Somalia been coping - neglected by the world, especially in the past five years, and without a government? Better than expected, it would appear. Behind a seemingly endless civil war and despite the destruction this has caused, business in Somalia is thriving. It's not unusual to find restaurants and shops in towns once fiercely contested by the warlords crowded with people, workshops bustling with activity, and new buildings going up amid a jungle of ruins and rubble. Flair for business The Somalis have always been great traders. They have a flair for business and it's visible on the streets. Trucks carrying goods with only token protection move throughout the country. Fruit from the far south is sold in the far north west and smuggled electrical goods even land on the Gulf of Aden. Local companies provide electricity and telephone services, and Somalia also has its own private television and radio stations. Economists say the average Somali is probably no worse off than the average Tanzanian and Zambian. Businessmen may even have benefited from the power vacuum, working with local communities to help restore law and order in some areas. But clearly people are still poor and would like to see a government that is recognised internationally and works on their behalf.

looooooooooooooool that made my day

By Matt Massey Special to The Seattle Times When civil war broke out in strife-stricken Somalia in 1991, Hassan Ahmed soon moved his family to the safety of nearby Kenya. Nine years later in 2000, Ahmed's two eldest sons, Ahmed Ahmed and Abdirahim Ahmed, sought a better life — and education — in the United States. Somalia has been with a central government since the war began in 1991. "My Dad didn't want us to experience the war, so we left for Kenya," said Abdirahim Ahmed, who plays soccer this spring for Chief Sealth High School while his brother, Ahmed, suits up for Cleveland. "Then, we came to the United States to get more of an education than we were getting over there." Somalia natives Ahmed Ahmed and Abdirahim Ahmed left their mother and father and 11 brothers and sisters behind in Kenya in 2000. The brothers first moved to California with their aunt and uncle and settled in south Seattle with their aunt after their uncle died. Oddly enough, the two eventually ended up at rival high schools in Seattle. Ahmed Ahmed, now a senior and age 18, chose Cleveland and Abdirahim Ahmed, now a sophomore and 16, settled at Chief Sealth after a semester of discontent at Cleveland. The two siblings are squaring off against each other for the second year in a row on the soccer field this spring. Ron Johnson, coach of Chief Sealth, is having the brothers' soccer rivalry documented on videotape so they can send it to the family in Kenya. "I thought it would be neat to do this," Johnson said of filming the two games. "Their parents have never really seen them play soccer." Johnson's video will include highlights of both games and interviews with the brothers. Both primarily play forward. In the first game on April 4, Sealth's Abdirahim Ahmed put his team ahead 1-0 in the ninth minute and two minutes later brother Ahmed Ahmed pulled Cleveland into a 1-1 tie. "I scored and then he scored," Abdirahim Ahmed said. "I talked. I said, 'That's for you, brother.' Then he scored, and said, 'Back to you.' " Abdirahim and Sealth won the first meeting 4-1. "He's mad at me," Abdirahim Ahmed said. "He told me, 'We gotcha next time.' " However, Sealth won again yesterday, 3-2, as Abdirahim assisted on two goals for the Seahawks (4-2-1 in Metro, 4-3-1 overall). Ahmed scored one goal for Cleveland (0-7). Abdirahim Ahmed was an Metro League honorable-mention all-star selection in 2002 as a freshman at Sealth. The Ahmed brothers ventured to America in hopes of getting an education and making enough money to move their 13 family members from Kenya to the U.S. "I just appreciate the way (Abdirahim) is so respectful," Johnson said. "He respects everything, and he's thankful for everything he has here." Source: The Seattle Times, April 30, 03

Can anybody guess what my nick says of me? :confused: