do not west your time arguing with people who cannot trenscend clan bounderies and local politcs. Thanx for the advice Zylici, I'll take it.

This had me cracking because of the ignorance and stupidity...check it out. WHY DO MOST SOMALIANS CONSIDER THEM SELVES ARABS? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

"tea is made 5 times a day" "u buy a computer and ur parents ask for bbc somali radio 24/7"

Sis u need to learn the fact that we are not clones...we differ on subjects, we reason and at times rationalize events differently. If I had questioned the wisdom and rationale behind the secession...that does not amount hate! does it? Wisely put walaal. I've been watching this thread from the sidelines and I have come to the conclusion that if baashi were running for president of Somalia, I would not only endorse him or be his campaign manager, but also be his personal Aide if not more. Baashi I have not met a person on this forum who cares more about the motherland more than you do (maybe there are more who don't show, I don't know), but I applaud your efforts to debate intellectually while still putting down insults and such without responding in the same manner. :cool: I say again good job :cool:

Aint that sweet, thanx Sthlm_lady. You're special in my book too. :cool:

I have no idea what you're rambling about and that's a downright fact. :eek: Infact you actually remind me of a certain nomad called Sami-Gyrl. Is there by any chance a connection between the two of you?

http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/world/story/0,4386,189751,00.html NAIROBI - Fazul Abdullah Mohammed, the fugitive whose sightings have prompted security scares across East Africa, is one of the FBI's most wanted men and considered a main player in the Al-Qaeda terrorist network. Mohammed, from the Comoros Islands in the Indian Ocean, is accused of masterminding the 1998 bombing of the US embassy in Nairobi and is also believed to be the linchpin in last November's attacks on a hotel in Mombasa. The US State Department is offering a US$25-million (S$43-million) reward for his capture. It is the same bounty offered for Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, Washington's prime suspect in the Sept 11, 2001 attacks on New York and Washington. Kenya's announcement that he had been spotted in neighbouring Somalia and could be operating within Kenya contributed to a British decision to ban flights by its airlines to and from Kenya. The United States charged Mohammed in 1998 in connection with that year's truck bombing of its Nairobi embassy, which killed 214 people. Another 10 were killed in a synchronised bombing in Dar es Salaam. code: Fazul Abdullah Mohammed Al-Qaida suspect sighted in Somalia Kenya: Alleged embassy bombing mastermind in Mogadishu NAIROBI, Kenya, May 15 — One of the FBI’s most wanted al-Qaida suspects has been sighted in the Somali capital of Mogadishu and could be operating inside Kenya, Kenya’s security ministry said on Thursday. FAZUL ABDULLAH MOHAMMED, a Comoros islander, is accused of being the mastermind behind both the 1998 bombing of the U.S. embassy in Nairobi and last November’s suicide bombing of an Israeli-owned hotel in the Kenyan resort of Mombasa. National Security Minister Chris Murungaru released his photograph on Wednesday night and said that security forces in the east African country had been put on high alert. “Given that this fellow has been sighted in Mogadishu and the information gathered is that he has been coming in and going out (of Kenya), then we have to be on high alert,” ministry spokesman Douglas Kaunda said. “The minister said that there’s already heightened surveillance of major installations, particularly western interests.” The United States updated its travel warning for east Africa on Wednesday, reiterating a March warning that there was a high potential for terrorist actions against U.S. citizens. Britain’s foreign office has also warned westerners to be vigilant, particularly in the Kenyan capital. Both the U.S. and British embassies in Nairobi said on Thursday they could not comment further on security issues. Mohammed has been indicted for the 1998 embassy bombings in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam, which killed 224 people. He is also believed to have been the lynchpin in the 2002 Mombasa attacks, in which 16 people died. Somalia has no effective central government and is divided among rival warlords, making it an ideal hideout for fugitives. Kaunda said Mohammed was thought to use 17 different names, and hold various passports. His favorite alias was Harun. According to his FBI wanted poster he likes to wear baseball caps and dress casually, and he is good with computers.

This brings back memories. :cool:

Lander aboow I hardly think you're neutral enough to give a neutral perspective on the debate in which you didn't, but if I seem like I'm obsessed with habashas then it is for countless reasons. If you want to try to find out what those reasons are, then they have been stated before on this same thread. If you don't want to believe that it is actually Somaliland that is dependent on Ethiopia, then again my reasons are stated above. You asked me why I didn't worry about the rest of our people who lacked peace and stability, and I say that if you have been on this forum long enough you would have seen that I participated on debates and general talk about Somalis and and all the Somali lands of the horn. I do agree with you that the government of Djibouti did a cowardly and stupid act by letting the Americans recieve a base, but to get to a greater Somalia, we have to start with the Somalia that is recognized by the international community and that Somalia is the one you see on the World Atlas. Case point, Somalis are their own worst enemies and we need to stop looking elsewhere for our problems and look in the mirror. I agree with you 100% bro, we are our worst enemy and unless we realize that soon, only Allah (subxaana watacaala) knows what will happen to us. Part of looking in the mirror is adressing our problems, and secessions in our already small country is a major problem of our present.

Baashi are you serious? If I hadn't seen your post, I would've taken it as a legit organization. :eek:

Bismillah you don't understand how exasperated I'm getting with this debate. Ayoub_Sheikh what are you talking? Really you have me puzzled. We both admit Ethiopia is an enemy, yet while I make it seem obvious, you make it seem as if the former dictatorship of our beloved country is the cause of Ethiopia's enmity towards us. Well I will say it right now, Siad Barre is not the cause of that enmity and it did not start with his regime! The enmity was created by habesh kings of Salassi, Menelik, Yohannes, Lebna Dengel,and etc. Where are you exactly getting at. Second you seem to justify what Ethiopia is doing to our people by saying the Habesh governments are acting on the interest of their people. If that assertion was a fact, it would mean something, but it's NOT! The interest of the Ethiopian people is to get enough food so they won't starve the next unsuccessful harvest. How is it the interest of their people? It has always been and will always be the foreign policy of the Habesh governments to get a a permanent route to the Indian ocean. That gets me to my third point. I don't understand what you've been looking at, but the last time I had a look at the world map, "present SOmalia" extended from Djibouti to Kenya and from the Indian Ocean to the Ogaden and an entity called Somalialand was written nowhere on it. If Somalia gets its act together it can also make ETHIO TPLF depend on it (like Somaliland) and not the other way round Seriouly are you sane? Ethiopia can use and uses port Djibouti, port Sudan, and if they wanted other various ports in Eritrea; what way in any shape or form is Ethiopia dependent on "Somaliland"? Ethios are at their weakest in history. A landlocked country surrounded by Somaliland, Eritrea, Djibouti, Sudan, Kenya and Somalia. It is only an 'empire' in the eyes of a very weak man So I guess Somalia is a superpower that can't be taken advantage of right? One thing that is clear to all Somalilanders is that, the Somalis in Djibouti and NFD escaped the horrors because they were not part of Somalia So there was no civil war in Djbouti in the early 90's between the Somali government and Afars right? So there was no massacre on the airport on Wajir in the NFD by troops loyal to Moi right? :confused: Ethios try to wreck all her neighbours but is only successful in Somalia. Can you answer why? Which out of Ethiopia's neighbors is fragmented, anarchic land divided into a zillion 'lands.

I second it Tagane.

looooooooool lefty your male huh? :confused: :confused:

May 12, 2003 Posted to the web May 14, 2003 Muuna Wamuli And Makur Kot Dhuor Nairobi With only about a month to go before the completion of Somalia peace negotiations in Kenya , Hussein Farah Aideed, one of the warring faction leaders, has declared interest in the country's presidency. Mr. Aideed announced his intention here on May 6, after a Somalia Reconciliation and Reconstruction Council (SRRC) meeting. He said one of the powerful factions in the conflict, had nominated him to run for the position as first president of a re-united Somali republic , and to head the interim government after an election due in two or three months. Following this development, hopes are high that after more than a decade of anarchy, the conflict in Somalia will come to an end, paving way for reconstruction of the war-torn country. At a press conference, Aideed said the talks in Kenya were in their last phase and that the people of Somalia, through their representatives, had agreed broadly on reconciliation and reconstruction of their country. "Indeed, this is the last conference for Somalia, and in a few months time, a government will be sitting in [the country] ," he said. Aideed's declaration is based on nine principles agreed upon on the formation of a government of national unity to oversee transition to peace. The government will be expected to revive service institutions, enforce law and order, demobilise the militias and carry out a national census, among other issues. " And to constitute the government of national unity, the country will hold free and fair elections based on the principal of one person, one vote. The United Nations, regional governments and international organisations will supervise the elections ," said Mr.Aideed. In a press statement, Mr. Aideed said the proposed elections, which will be the first "after a very long time", are expected to be democratic and competitive. " Somali people will have the opportunity to elect leaders and a government of their choice ," said part of the statement. Presently, the country is estimated to have a population of about 14 million people, majority of who are in exile. "Once elected, I promise to lead our beloved country towards reconciliation, reconstruction and to build a Somali society based on the ideals of democracy, economic prosperity and social justice for all," said Mr. Aideed. code: Endorse Peace Talks, Aideed Urges Countries The Nation (Nairobi) May 13, 2003 Posted to the web May 13, 2003 Ibrahim Mbithi Nairobi Somali presidential candidate Hussein Farah Aideed has appealed to the international community to recognise the Somali peace talks in Kenya. He was speaking in a Nairobi hotel at the weekend where he addressed over 400 Somali delegates who had come to witness him officially launch his party's campaign for the Somali presidency. Mr Aideed, a son of former president Mohamed Farah Aideed, has been endorsed by two political parties, the Somali Reconciliation Restoration Council (SRRC) and the Somali National Agency (SNA). The party that wins the first ever free and fair elections set for between June and July will form a transitional government . "Somalia will for the first time in decades, hold a free and fair election based on the principle of one person, one-vote," said Mr Aideed. Four other candidates who have declared their interest for the presidency but are yet to name their parties include Colonel Abdullah Yussuf; a former official with the Federation of International Football Association, Mr Farah Adow; Mr Abdikasim Salat and Dr Abdirahma Jama. Apart from the transitional president, 450 members of parliament who will be nominated by the delegates attending the Mbagathi peace talks will also be elected. The United Nations, regional governments and international organisations will act as observers of the Somali elections. Muted campaigns have already started with candidates lobbying the delegates attending the conference. Yesterday, Mr Aideed held a luncheon for his supporters at the Tin Tin Restaurant where he assured them that the elections will go ahead as planned. code: The parts in bold are the reason why I posted these articles, not because I'm endorsing Caydiid.

How has a subject about how America abuses power gone up to the Marshall Plan of Europe? Secondly I fail to understand how Thoth labels America as his country and Somalia as "one of those numerous countries". :confused: :confused: :confused: I would never in my life defend America's foreign policy as would the majority of the citizens of the U.S, too.

WAAWAREEY wat about moi? :confused: :confused: :confused: :mad:

wow! I missed a lot didn't I? I never even dreamed that this thread would have been this interesting. I encourage Thoth to keep on goin with the debate even though he seems to be cornered; and loool even though I'm an "American" I applaud your works Shujui, and you too, Lander.

"We can expect no protection from international organisations like the UN since powerful countries like the United States and Britain can attack Iraq without the sanction of the UN," Nice piece Shujui :cool:

Thanx Ruba, just wish more people would participate, because if the politics of the country is upside down, then so is everything.

Failed? No! Of course not, we have merely gottan off the track, but inshallah we will be back in no time. As Baashi mentioned it was the leadership that failed. It was the leadership that took the people's dream and hopes and used it for there own purposes. Just because that leadership failed does not mean a Greater Somalia is unachievable, but as Baashi also mentioned we have to put our current house in order, and that means deseparating the various wings of the house! Feasible? More than ever, when a reunited Somalia takes place (notice I said when not if). We first have to do it diplomatically, meaning we have to go to the ICT (just like Nigeria and Cameroon did last year over the oil-rich Bakassi peninsula). Exdane I don't think it's possible to have Hargaysa as capital, but since we're expressing ideas, what if Muqdisho was named the executive capital, Hargaysa the legislative capital, and another city the judicial? Would it help to ease unification amongst our people?

Walee masaakiin baa tahay. It is sad to be blind when you can see, then you try to personally attack me? What I said to Waaq was he didn't understand where I was coming from so maybe I should explain myself so we can come to an understanding. I used to think that the seccession of "Somaliland" from the Somali Republic was debatable, but I have always held the notion that every Somali knew that Ethiopia was an enemy of our people, no matter what frontier in the horn they lived in. I guess I was wrong. The only thing your article inform us is 'the empire' is an enemy, even a 6 year old kid in Burco knows this is not 'breaking news' So what is so hard to understand Ayoub_Shiekh? Are you using the saying of my enemy's enemy is my friend, because that is really going to far. Are you saying that Ethiopia is not a enemy to the Somali nation, because it supports "Somaliland's" recognition? Meaning you are turning the other cheek to the horrors it commits in Gedo, Somali Galbeed, and elsewhere, because it supports your dreams brother? Sorry to be your bubble buster, but Ethiopia has no intention of letting any Somali in the horn have some rest. (look for the bold in the article ) A marriage is between a man and a wife; while the Somali people's problems involve 8 (G8) powerful warlords just in the capital, 7 million people, 5 different regions each with a different border, 4 feuding clans either with themselves or with others, 3 very ambitious neighbors, 2 "united" former colonies, and 1 anarchic state. How is it possible to compare that with a marriage. Since i'm shouting evil from the rooftops, I have a person who shouted evil from inside of the house. code: Ethiopia’s betrayal and hidden agendas towards Somalia: By Dr. Abdi Aden Mohamed In early 1992, Meles Zenawi and his Tigray Peoples Liberation Front (TPLF) came up with the idea of paying back Somalia. The TPLF government noted that Somalia provided to it millions of dollars during its long struggle against the regime of Mingistu Hailemarium and openly admitted that for over fifteen years it used to purchase arms in the official documents of Somalia’s defence ministry. It continued to say that most of its Executive committee members, including Meles have been provided with Somali Diplomatic passports that they used to travel a round the World as well as with special luxurious villas in Mogadishu and Meles used to stay in a villa just behind Towfiiq Hotel. Because of all the above cited, TPLF said that its intended to pay back Somalia by helping them to reconcile and thus create a government of national unity in Somalia, however, later on it become clear that such intentions weren’t true at all. As the deputy minister of health of Ethiopia, I led a nine member Ethiopian delegation and participated in the first International meeting on Peace, and Rehabilitation of Somalia that has been organized by the United Nations in October 1992, in Geneva, Switzerland. Our main mission was to lobby for the continuation of successive meetings on Somalia to be held in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia. Most of the countries that were represented in the conference voted in favour of our proposal on the second day of the meeting and that was a big achievement for Meles and his Foreign minister, both of whom warmly congratulated us on the successful mission while we were still in Geneva. The first Meeting on Peace, Reconciliation and Rehabilitation of Somalia was organized by the UN in Addis Ababa on January 03-05, 1993. Besides the UN and Ethiopia, delegations from the Western nations, Africa, Arab countries and others participated actively in the first three meetings that were held in Addis Ababa in 1993 and I was the Deputy-Chief Delegate of the Ethiopian delegation to those meetings. The leaders of Somalia’s warring factions met face to face for the first time but nothing tangible come out of that first meeting. Several member of our delegation met with the warlords and their delegations at the Ghion hotel before they left and told them to include in their next delegations representatives of their communities, like elders, women’s groups, doctors and other with the intentions that the Somalis might interact more among themselves and the next meeting might be more productive, however, the foreign Minister was upset by our move and ordered us not to take further actions in the future without his consent and knowledge. The second meeting was on 11-13 March 1993 and it started in more optimistic atmosphere since the warlords were shaking hands without our interventions and more than one thousand Somalis participated. However, I noticed policy changes in the Ethiopian Foreign Ministry, which started to favour some of the warlords. The Ethiopian delegation was instructed for the first time to keep in mind Ethiopia’s interests as a priority during these meetings and the whole attitudes of the Ethiopian government changed to the opposite of its originally declared policies. Again, the foreign minister through the instructions of Meles informed our delegation that some of the warlords were hostile to Ethiopia while others were friendlier and hence the latter should be put in power in Somalia. At the same time the foreign ministry started to provide secretly large amounts of money to the pro-Ethiopian warlords so that they will not sign to the agreements at all unless it was in our interests and later on, the Minister of defence was order similarly to supply arms to the friendlier warlords. It was of utmost importance in keeping these manoeuvres secretly from the other Somali warlords, the UN and other international delegates, particularly those from the Western Nations and their Embassies in Addis Ababa. At this point in time, I complained to Meles about our policy changes, but he told me that we will support the pro-Ethiopia warlords. Now, I came to realize the motives of why Ethiopia wanted in the first place the meetings to be held in Addis Ababa, which were to road block in the reconciliation of the warring factions and thus prevent the creation of a national government of unity in Somalia. The meeting in March ended with the Somali warring factions more divided than ever and the delegates headed home once more empty handed. Within a month the pro-Ethiopian warlords were invited back to Addis Ababa and as guests of the foreign ministry stayed in lavish hotels with all services available and more secret meetings were planned. I wasn’t invited to these secret meetings, but was still able to get information through some of the members of our delegation who weren’t TPLF. The 3rd meeting was held in Addis Ababa on November 29-December 03, 1993. Meles refused my request to be excluded from the Ethiopian delegation saying that such a move will cause suspicions to the Somali factions. They knew my stand and excluded me from the briefings of our delegation with Meles as they continued to plan for the failure of the meeting. Again, the third meeting concluded in absolute chaos and with the Somali warring factions much further and further apart than they were in their first meeting of January 1993, but for the Ethiopian regime it ended with success in accordance to its hidden plans towards the peace process, reconciliation and rehabilitation of Somalia. Also it should be absolutely and without any doubt understood that Ethiopia wasn’t or isn’t opposing only to the creation of a national government in Somalia but does so against any Somali region that was or is peaceful and stable in line with its policy of divide and rule the Somalis and Somalia. To that effect, towards the end of 1993, The Ethiopian regime become anxious about the peace, stability and unity of the Somalis in the self-declared republic of Somaliland and thus started planning for possible actions in order to alleviate its concerns. The Ethiopian government invited a group of politicians from some of the clans in Somaliland to Addis Ababa and successfully kept this event as secretly as possible. Abdulmajid Hussein Bare, who was the external economic cooperation minister of Ethiopia was appointed to be fully responsible for that secret operation, where he prepared all the necessary arrangements. For over a month the group met secretly at his residence and several times with Meles and his foreign minister at their residences and finally, the group unilaterally declared that they were against the succession of Somaliland and joined the warring factions in Mogadishu. It must be noted and clearly understand that at this point in time, Ethiopia wasn’t advocating at all for the unity of Somalia, but was rather concerned with the peace, unity and stability of Somaliland and was simply trying to weaken it. Those manoeuvres have led to the outbreak of the terrible civil war in Somaliland during 1994-1995, and the group hasn’t been allowed to return home since than and are an opposition to it. Again, look at what Ethiopia is currently doing to the Somalis in Puntland, a region that has been successfully peaceful and stable for the last decade! The foreign ministry used to provide secretly money to the pro-Ethiopian Somali warlords mostly just the night before the reconciliation agreement signing day in Addis Ababa, and I am convinced that had the meetings were held in any other East African country or elsewhere in the World, Somalis would have reconciled and a viable central government could have been established during 1993-1994. Ethiopia has tried since early 1993 until today with its power, influences and efforts to prevent the formation of a national government of unity in Somalia. The Ethiopian Empire has been held together by force for centuries and now most of the nations and nationalities are opting for their right for self-determination and is not capable of conquering Somalia, but might use some warlords to occupy their regions on behalf of Ethiopia and thereby create mini-Somalia regions under it’s indirect rule!! Meles is not concerned with the development of poverty ridden Ethiopia, but does so in staying power in line with his long believes in Marxist-Leninism ideology. I remember the night when Meles invited the late General Mohamed Farah Aidid at his residence in December, 1993. Upon our arrival, he greeted Aidid warmly and said with raised voice: “Aidid you are the Hero of Africa!” and congratulated him for fighting against the Americans in that terrible day of October the 3rd, 1993 in Mogadishu. Clearly, he was happy of that human tragedy, asked about the fighting and later on said: “Americans deserve what has happened to them and Africa needs more sons like you”. But now, he is showing one of his other faces as being pro-American. The fact is that he is a man of many words! Look at his friendly way of paying back the failed nation, Somalia? Who on earth is going to trust him? he can deceive some people sometimes but he can’t deceive all the people all the times!!! Meles officially opened the first Somali meeting in Addis Ababa on January 03, 1993 and said repeatedly in his speech: “My Somali brothers and sisters, Ethiopia has no hidden agendas towards Somalia by hosting these meetings in Addis Ababa and we are willing to help you at any cost”. This was a dishonesty statement but the Somalis in the meeting honestly believed him and clapped their hands with joy and happiness and many of them instantly said: “May be he is a Somali, he is more of a Somali than us!!!” This man is a hypocrite and that is clearly shown by his destructive intentions towards Somalia, a nation that has practically brought him to power. Some confused Somalis might argue that Ethiopia has allowed the Somalis to live and stay in Ethiopia following the civil war in Somalia, but the Somalis were bringing millions of dollars to the impoverished economy of Ethiopia. Look at Ethiopia’s current actions: why doesn’t it allow the Somalis to reside in Ethiopia without the so called special ID cards for the Somalis only, even including the Ethiopian-Somalis? Meles told me in 1993: “Somali clans queue up for my office, each one claiming to be the largest and friendlier to us, however, we know that they are united in their long hate and enmity against Ethiopia”. Whether some warlords or clans like the Ethiopians or not, for them the bottom line is: A Somali is a Somali, period! May be you are living in illusions with the temporary ‘friendships’ that will be simply terminated any time the present Ethiopian regime loses its grip on power or while its still in power! This man has been using some Somali warlords to his advantages; just imagine the Somali generals, colonels and politicians destroying Somalia upon the command of young junior Ethiopian military officers? What more goals could Ethiopia have achieved so easily and cheaply in this historic period? Tribalism which is the true opium of the Somalis has been practised early in the civilization of mankind; unfortunately, Somalis trust and worship it even now and usually close their eyes and turn a deaf ear to the truth if it compromises into their tribal oriented interests and ideological thinking. Most of the Somali politicians and intellectuals practise tribal-based politics, which is not compatible with the modern way of governing in the 21st century. Somali politicians and intellectuals must wake up now!, the ball has been at your corner for along time and it is time to re-evaluate fully your responsibility to the Somali society and act responsibly with positive attitudes for the future of the Somalis and Somalia in this World, keeping in mind that unless you decide to change the present history course of Somalia by yourselves, no body is going to do it for you! Hopefully the Somalis will come back to think rationally, use their sense of reasonable judgement and work to bring Somalia back to its feet as a nation. Somalis must forgive each other, lessen or stop practising tribalism and put national interest as a priority rather than self or the clan for the sake of reconciliation and nation building in Somalia. Whatever happened to the qualities of the Somalis, for the time being they are living in low life and have buried their dignity, patriotism and nationalism for clan and selfish interests! Ethiopia is considered to be the poorest nation in the World by many experts, but has been supplying arms worthy millions of dollars to the pro-Ethiopian warlords for the last eight years. The truth is that these weapons will haunt back Ethiopia sooner or later; what goes around will come back to you! Ethiopia is a landlocked country but isn’t planning to use permanently even one of Somalia’s several seaports that have been lured to it freely by the pro-Ethiopian factions, but has signed an agreement with Sudan to use permanently it’s seaport at Port Sudan!!! Pro-Ethiopian factions, whether you like it or not the fact is that the over a century suspicions, mistrusts and enmity between the Ethiopians and the Somalis are still strong and alive and Ethiopia is using you for it’s short term interests only and doesn’t honestly trust you at all for a long ride!!! The Western Nations and the UN should understand the basis of the over a century hostility between Ethiopia and Somalia. Ethiopian regime’s destabilizing policies against some of its neighbouring countries in East Africa must not be underestimated. Ethiopian soldiers frequently cross the border into Somalia and thereby loot and terrorise the suffering Somalis. Besides, this regime is terrorizing its own citizens, particularly the Somalis and the Oromo, and there are 4-5 million Ethiopian-Somalis who have been exposed to long hidden atrocities, gross human rights violations and are presently living in subhuman conditions in the Somali region of Ethiopia, under it’s illegal colonization against their will and consent. These Somalis will keep on pressing their long struggle of fighting injustice until they get back all their human dignities and rights, including their basic principle right of self-determination, all of which have been stolen and hidden from them as well as the World by successive brutal Ethiopian governments for over a century, the present one being the worst of all of them!!! Finally, the World, and particularly the Western Nations, has turned its back to the plight of Somalia for the last eight years, while its hostile neighbouring Ethiopia has taken Somalia’s internal affairs into its own hands uncensored. Let us say as an example that Pakistan become like present Somalia! Would the Western Nations and the UN have requested India to assist and come up with solutions in establishing a government of national unity in Pakistan or vice versa? Personally, I don’t think so and the enmity between Ethiopia and Somalia is older and worse than theirs. Why is Ethiopia propagating massive propagandas against this failed nation, Somalia? The truth to this question is that Ethiopia is trying to deceive the Western Nations in order to get economic aid and arms that it will use against some of its neighbours in East Africa. Now, it is high time for the merciful, compassionate and peace loving Western Nations, the UN and the rest of the World to start to help and come up with viable solutions to the desperate situation in anarchized Somalia, brought on by the more than decade old civil war. Besides, Ethiopia should be told clearly once and for all to take off its brutal and destructive hands from the internal affairs of Somalia. January 30, 2002 Prepared by Dr. Abdi Aden Mohamed Orleans, Ontario, CANADA.

Waaq you seem like a whole different person to me than your first post. You're intelligent, but you still see things different then I, so maybe I should explain myself so we can come to an understanding. This is past blame and this is for our very survival. A bigger and a more powerful neighbor wants to destroy you and take over your household. While we are staking claim to all Somali lands (to which we rightfully have claim to), the ambitions of Ethiopia have always been and will always be centered on the dominance of the Habesh people in the horn of africa and on those who reside there. While Amharic hegemony has come to an end, the Tigray is just starting. And these two are related because they are both Habeshes! One Habesh is not better than another Habesh! As my first article starts out with: The history of East Africa is a witness to religious transgressions by the Christian Ethiopians against the Muslim Somalis who seem to inherit these transgressions with every new generation. Do you think that, that transgression would simply stop if we were to relinguish our claims to our lands? As Emperor Haile Sellassie himself made his formal claim to our nation/state in his speech at Gabredare in the Ogaden on August 25, l956: "The people of ex-Italian, British, French Somaliland are to achieve independence in the near future. We are confident that they will also remember that unity is strength, even as the Eritreans recognized that unity is strength. Not only they, but the whole world will recognize that we are united by race, color, economics, and that we all drink from the same great river. . .As to the rumors of a greater Somalia, we consider that all the Somali peoples are economically linked with all Ethiopia and, therefore, we do not believe that such a State can be viable standing alone separated from Ethiopia. We will speak of this more fully when the proper time comes. So if some sort of illusion has not been cast over you eyes Waaq, I don't have anything to say but that you don't have the interest of the Somali nation at heart. Habesh hegemony would not be a threat to us if we were a united people who had the interest of the whole Somali people at heart, whether they come from our region or not. The reason I keep talking about Ethiopia is because logic tells us that it is better to know who your enemy is than to be blind to that enemy.

abaayo you're one gifted poet.I love the way your words flow together

Lateafha

.....Qadar