I'm getting confused here Smith. I read one of Micheal Moore's books "Stupad White Men" and he was blaming the 911 attacks on the Bush family. He was talking about how George Dubya wanted to take over and make America a police state, and now he says the Saudi air force is behind the attacks and G Dubya is covering it up? I don't think he is very credible.

The difference between you and I is more than clear

Well you are obviously right dear nomad, but who are you to limit my freedom of speech and on what I have say or what advice I have to give? I was raised with a little thing called tarabiyo which included that if you don't have anything constructive to say, your lips are better off being shut, or in this case your fingers are better of away from the keyboard.

ilaahay ha u naxariisto. aamiin

I advice the nomads of this forum to not give attention to this nomad. Wanting attention takes some too far.

They are based on qabyaalad, not caddaalad. I think you should go back and reread the thread Mobb Deep On another note you admit that Morgan is a warlord, you also admit that he attacked a peaceful city, yet you question why the president of Somalia (as recognized by the international community) sent out help to a people being murdered by a ruthless warrior, called the "Butcher of Hargeisa, and his patron, our arh-enemy Ethiopia? If that is not qabyaalad to me, then I don't what is. :confused: Rahima hypocrisy has been a slap in the face to us, especially from nomads who had previously been thought of as having a pro-Somalia stance, not pro- Qabiil :eek: My advice to you sis, is to not waste your time.

Blow the thiefs up I say That's what I'm saying. It's good to hear we're finnaly taking the initiative.

It’s not so much that Bush is mad or mendacious. The problem is that he’s dull-witted and easily manipulated. Trying to prove that the commander-in-chief is in command, Woodward instead provides a portrait of a puppet, a photo-op president, whose grasp of history, of geopolitical strategy, even of geography, is on a par with Homer Simpson’s.

The future of Somali does not rest with either one of them. I agree with you wholeheartedly sis.

Salafi and flying_still sisters Cabdiqasim Salad Hassan and Cabdulahi Yusuf Ahmed are two different men. Cabdiqasim Hassan was a "president" chosen in the 2000 Djibouti sponsered peace process that should have stepped down when the Transitional National Government (TNG) ended it's three year mandate in the Summer. He is in Muqdisho. Cabdulahi Yusuf is a "president" chosen by the 1998 delegates to the Puntland peace conference, but who didn't step down when his time ended and infact instigated a war to reclaim his "presidencey" over Jaamac Cali Jaamac, the rightful "president". Cabdulahi Yusuf is in the northeastern part of Somalia called Puntland. to me it sounds like two puntilanders fighting Even though I'm not from Puntland, although I do have family member there, the funny thing is that the only people defending Cabdulahi Yusuf are the nomads who do hail from there. So if a nomads gets stance against Cabdulahi yusuf, the Puntland nomads accuse that nomad of being anti-Puntland. That is where hypocrisy and double standards made it's way into the debate. look at Og-Girl's post but by callin spade a spade i must say HornAfrique has made a point .. plain point .. without givin a hint of side takin i´d like to remind you that " Abdullahi Usuf" is not the leader of Puntland by the wish of those ppl .. in terms of him beeing a strong leader ? .. are we talking of the same person ? come on ... who was Aideed´s freind in north east ? no hard feelings but ... i see no better Warlord .. they´re all same .. we need a person of dignity. All the non-Puntland nomads see Cabdulahi yusuf for who he his, but I guess there're going to have the take the heat for seeing the truth and being hypocrisy-free.

Ladiif I wonder where did you get your fact that Cabdirisaq Xaaji Xussein is a traitor. I guarantee you that had he been prime minister at the time of the coup in 1969, there would not have been such widespread support for Siad Barre. One of the few leaders in Somalia's history that was completely 100% corruption free, and you call him a retard? I advise you to read Jama Muhammad Ghalib's autobiography.. about the chapters he speaks of the civilian governments. I will have you know that The Former Prime Minister of the Somali Democratic Republic, His Excellency Mr. Cabdirisaq Xaaji Xussein was walking to his appointments, so as to not misuse the people's taxes and have a corruption ridden adminstration. He should be among one of the most respected Somalis in modern Somalia.

Hey i was in a friend's house and a song was playing that just turne my attention. i don't what it was called but part of the lyrics included... martida caashaqa,, do you guys know what the song is called?

What I don't like is HYPOCRICY It's funny you spoke of hypocrisy in Hargeisa Airport on the Brink for Closure Mobb Deep, but this is where I end. I'll let the nomads on this forum decide where I stand. Good debating with you mate.

I am very well aware of the facts Mujaahid, but what I see as selfish and inconsiderate to human life is how one can think one murder is less worthy of attention then another one simply, because it was made for a political reason and the other one wasn't. Allah, SWT, said in the Qur'aan; “That whoever kills a single soul for other than a soul (killed) or for corruption in the earth, it is as though he had killed all of humanity together, and whoever saves the life of a single soul, it is though he had saved the life of all humanity together.” (al-Ma’Ida 5:32)

Everything i've said, I've said Mobb, no need in wasting serverspace, but what I want to ask you is where you got the notion that I am "anti-Puntland"? In one of the few debates concerning Puntland that I've participated in, I clearly remember saying this on July 25, 2003. Acuudibilaah Oodweyn xaasidnimo is embedded deep in your heart isn't it? Why are you so intent on Puntland's destruction? It is a peaceful Somali region intent on fulfilling a greater Somali dream. It is a place worthy of pride. Why do you constantly abuse it in such a fashion. Most of these nomads are dead set against seccessionism, that's why you see them attacking "Somaliland" or it's non-existent government, but you never see them attack the Somali people that reside that are their brothers and sisters. Infact all these nomads would happy if they heard that Somalis would be repatriated to the northwestern part of Somalia, but you feelings aren't mutual aren't they? So sad really. ^^^^I'm referring to an earlier instance inwhich you poked at the number of people who were repatriating. Puntland – an economic boom receptive to repatriates So, because Abdulahi Yusuf is on my warlord list, I'm instantly "anti-Puntland"? I really don't see the logic in that, yet we were keen to talk about double standards. If somebody from Puntland who was not a warlord, who have never committed a crime, was elected the president of Somalia, would you have supported him? I don't expect you to say no anyways. I remember saying this about the Puntlander candidate Al Haji Maxamed Yassin a month and 1/2 ago. The first candidate Al Haji Maxamed Yassin sounds like a very good candidate. Allah, SWT, knows if there is substance behind those words, but he seems like a very good candidate. Ayoub brother you know that I am against any person with blood on their hands from becoming president, as I understand you are against any people from Siad barre's government from taking reigns. So my question is if seccession was out of the question, would we not compromise on people who are more like the aforementioned candidate? A president that was not part of Siad Barre's gov and does not have blood on his hands. Would "Somalilanders" not compromise on that issue? A rather colourful candidate-President of Somalia

Patronising me is not going to get you caano iyo malab from the sky mobb Deep. It seems funny but wasn't this one of my replies in this thread? If, inshallah, there is a war crimes tribunal for Somalia, Abdiqasim will not be pardoned from it. If he has atrocities listed to his name then he will pay. Either Mobb Deep is not a good reader or he saw HornAfrique, then Abulahi Yusuf and connected two to two. Mobb I assure you that everyone who is against Abdulahi Yusuf is not against Puntland or "the Puntland tribes". If ever there was common sense, the people of Puntland should'e thrown him out a long time ago. I just want to ask you a simple yes or no qustion. Do you think that Abdulahi Yusuf is a good man? My advice to other nomads; please read before you reply, there's no sense in a redundant war of words that just eats up server space.

I though you're Somali nationalist who oppose Somaliland’s secession as principle Just as I oppose Abdulahi Yusuf for president as a principal. Brother it is important to understand my point first, before accusing me of short sightedness. I understand that I propaply went to far with my former statment, but it is not in my interest to introduce our northern Somali brethren or any other Somali to another dictatorship, with a power-hungry tyrant, and an overly large prison as a "country". I want a leader who will install peace with what it is, peace, not with the barrel of a gun. Abdulahi Yusuf's term as president of the Puntland State of Somalia ran out, and when Jamac Cali Jamac ascended, did Abdulahi Yusuf stepped down as supposed? No, he achieved his current position by the barrel of gun, and you know, and I know, and our brother Smith knows, propaply more than I do. However I don't control who becomes president, and if Abdulahi Yusuf was chosen as the next president of the Somali Republic, then I will simply have to watch from the sidelines. "From the comfort of my education" I am also planning to study international law, and I will make it one of my life's goals to bring Abdulahi Yusuf, Riyaale Kaahin, and any other warlord who has/had something to do with the civil war we're in to justice.

The day Abdulahi Yusuf becomes president of Somalia is the day I side with Somaliland on it's seccessionst issues. The description of Abdulahi Yusuf that SmithNwestern gave us also reminded me of another Somali politician,....the late Maxamed Siyaad Barre (allah ha u naxariisto). Another situation like this must be avoided at all costs, meaning we (as Somalis) bring Somalinimo before qabiilnimo, dear Smith.

Bari Nomad the phenomenon called "warlordism" has destroyed the traditional rule of law for Somalia. I do believe that female president would be an extremely good idea, much better then the so-called hiniinyoyaal who driving our statehood to the ground. Miz-unique hi pakistan is the logo for the website I posted the article from.

Rahima there is no point in wasting your time sis. If, inshallah, there is a war crimes tribunal for Somalia, Abdiqasim will not be pardoned from it. If he has atrocities listed to his name, then he will pay, but what I, Rahima, Rampage, Mojam, and others want to know is how any person can put Abdiqasim in league with one of Somalia's most corrupted murderers? Abdulahi Yusuf sacrificed Islam, Somalinimo, and his whole sense of being to get attention from the biggest oppressor of muslims on this earth, and you say Cabdiqasim is in league with him? SmithNwestern maybe, but I didn't expect this from Bari Nomad. Cabdiqasim is not a child born yesterday with no sins, but atleast let's be non-partisan and fair in our critique, or don't give criticism at all. ...or does this have to do with qabyaaladnimo, because when 2 and 2 are added, they equal 4.

Horn brother what happened to Afweyne will happen to those who occupy other peoples land. The most intelligent remark you've mentioned in this whole babbling thread.

You have become quite a popular figure here in this "anarchic" part of SomaliaOnline haven't you, Ms. African?

Presidential Candidate NAIROBI: The mood is joyful as a group of Somali women break into song and dance to crown Asha Abdi’s decision to declare her interest in the presidency, the top job in the land. Asha, who is a delegate at the ongoing Somalia peace talks being held in Nairobi, Kenya, says she is looking forward to uniting her country, which has been embroiled in a bloody civil war since 1991. "Somalia is like a broken glass. I want to put the pieces together and bring unity to our nation. I have what it takes; I have support of women, youth and men alike," a confident Asha told IPS. "Somalia needs change. We are sick and tired of male leaders who have done nothing except create wars. They have been fighting over power while people die of poverty and starvation," she said. Since the fall of President Siad Barre’s regime in 1991, 23 factions belonging to four powerful clans have been fighting one another over territories. Pressurised by famine and political instability, they have been launching military campaigns to acquire more territories to add to their booty. Saying they have had enough, women now appear more determined than ever to change their country’s political landscape. They are venturing into an area that has been regarded as men’s preserve for centuries. Three women, including Asha, have registered as presidential candidates, the first time in the modern history of the Horn of African country. All in all, 53 contestants are vying for the top job in Somalia. At the peace talks, women are demanding at least 25 percent representation in all decision-making posts, instead of the 12 percent, spelt out in the new charter. The charter, adopted on Sep.15, will be a guiding document in the formation of a central government in Mogadishu, the capital of Somalia. In a statement, addressed to the Special Envoy to the talks Bethuel Kiplagat, the women say, "We are proposing that 25 percent of every position in the government, which is a bare minimum, be reserved for Somali women delegates in the proposed government structure." "Aware that historical and social factors limit Somali women’s participation in public office, we are willing to negotiate for this percentage, until we reach the level of equal opportunities and representation to facilitate our integration into public office," the statement added. The women have also criticised the gender imbalance at the talks; of the 366 delegates, only 4.1 percent are women. "Women form the majority of the population in my country, yet we are poorly represented," regrets Asha. Of Somalia’s 9.7 million people, 65 percent are women, according to various figures. Women have played a key role in reconciliation processes even before the current peace talks opened in Kenya last October. "Women have been involved in the struggle for liberation of Somalia. We have worked so hard looking after families, and preaching anti-war messages. We have experienced war-related trauma such as displacement, rape, among other ills. It is time we were recognised," head of the women delegation, Fatuma Abdullahi, told IPS recently. Fed up of the chaos in their country, some Somali exiles are backing the women. "We have seen how men have misused power, now we will rally behind women for a change. We are sure that our country will climb to another level, if we have a woman president," remarks Hassan Haj, a Somali refugee in Nairobi. "Women are sensitive about the needs of Somali people since they bear the burden of the war," he adds. According to sources close to the talks, presidential elections are due in the next few days after the members of parliament have been elected by the 366 delegates. The talks are being held under the auspices of Inter-Governmental Authority on Development (IGAD) which comprises Kenya, Uganda, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Sudan, Djibouti and Somalia.

Southerners, northerners, westerners, or easterners we are still Somali Muslims first and foremost.

Worst?? At least he hasn't killed thousands of his own people and isn't an agent of the xabash like some others i can think of. Honestly, i can't believe the double standards of some. Very much agree. He strengthened the illegal occupation of his sub-clan in Kismayu sending them arms and thus resulted in the deaths of innocents in Kismayu. That is one of the most hypocritical statements I have heard in a long time. Now the nomads are catching on to some's double standards. That is where I end.