Originally posted by Northerner: Takbeer! Allah Akbar!

I hope that one lost soul like Hadarwi Now sis you know that's not a fair description of that kindly, peaceful old man. I would think Somalis, whether in Muqdisho, Burco, Moscow, or Antartica would adhere to tradition, one of them being respect for elders. Especially if that elder is your suppossed uncle As for Gediid walaal I don't think I can manage a "centrist" view at anytime of the year. I am very opinionated and have never backed down from my opnions to be seens as something I'm not Libaax Let us hope naakhuude Gediid's tower of emotional resilience does not plummet after this long ordeal in the midst of Ramadan. My sentiments exactly.

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Be as surprised as I was to hear that Somalia was included. Muslim American Society

Well it's up to you to answer my bro, but I don't see the reason for your "discomfort".

Gediid My instinct tells me that you are asking the question for the hell of it and not because it serves any particular reason.Markaas I think I will leave the answer open for you to ponder over it. There are no ulterior motives concerned so why should it bring doubt to your head? Is it because you think there will be a "backlash" from the pros because of your stance? Really Gediid walaal don't make a pumpkin out of a seed.

Gediid bro after reading your post, I realized I skipped over a very important detail. I would waste over 50 peace process, before I agree in Somalia's butchering. So Riyaale is into bargaining now huh? What will it be next? If Ethiopia recognizes us, I will give it unconditional access to the sea? :mad: Gediid you yourself are a very mysterious nomad bro. I gather that you are somehow affliated with "Somaliland", but are unsure about seccession? Tell me where you stand on "Somaliland".

Shujui amazing walahi. Ya Allah, Sami-Gyrl, Angel Dust is seen for who she is even in "lander" forums. I wonder why most of the lander's in SOL are from or near Sami's political thinking?

NAIROBI: The United Nations has appealed for urgent help for more than 90,000 men, women and children whose herds of goats and camels are likely to be wiped out by a worsening drought in Somalia. Aid workers say rains are likely to fail in the Sool Plateau region of northern Somalia, aggravating four years of drought which have already decimated livestock and plunged families into deepening debt. "We are already facing an acute humanitarian crisis, in particular in the Sanaag and Sool regions of the Sool Plateau, due to four years of consecutive drought," said the UN Resident and Humanitarian Coordinator for Somalia Maxwell Gaylard. "With the current rains apparently failing again, we can expect that most remaining livestock will die, the local economy will collapse and this could trigger large-scale population movements to towns that would adversely affect the health and welfare of the communities, in particular children," he said in a statement issued on Friday (NZT). The drought has pushed food and water prices higher, forcing many families to supplement their income by cutting down trees to sell as charcoal, causing widespread environmental damage. The government of the northwestern Somali enclave of Somaliland – which covers part of the affected region – appealed on Friday (NZT) for urgent help, saying it was facing its worst drought in two decades.

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Riyaale is of course a Somali, and the territory he "rules" is still considered a part of Somalia, so hadee daacad katahay, then I say why not?

THE eyes of a Kenyan businessman I met in Nairobi last week grew wide when he spoke about his recent visit to Mogadishu, Somalia's infamous capital. An engineering consultant, he had been asked to go to the city to look at the manufacturing plant of a big multinational to see if it could be reopened. His chartered flight landed on a main road in the city, which had been blocked on either end to form a runway to serve the needs of the warlords running that part of a city that is "sectioned off" and controlled by different factions. His party was driven under heavy guard to the plant. At lunchtime, when the group opted to go to an Italian restaurant in the city (one benefit of Somalia's history as an Italian colony), the guests were given a quick lesson in firing automatic weapons in case of attack on the route. When asked whether the sound of automatic gunfire in the middle of the day might not alarm people, his hosts said the sound of gunfire at any time of the day was quite normal in Mogadishu. A hellhole this might be but, as the capital city of a country with representation in organisations such as the African Union, United Nations and the Arab League, it cannot be dismissed easily. Somalia has been without a government since the collapse of Mohammed Siad Barre's regime in 1991. The number of factions "running" the country, or at least bits of it, has increased from three in 1993 to more than 50. This has made the concept of negotiations for central power problematic, not to mention the security risks it presents. The transitional national government, in which the African Union put its faith, ended its three-year mandate in August, leaving the country officially rudderless once again. Unofficially, the transitional government made no difference. At best, it was said to run only a few suburbs of Mogadishu. The latest Somali peace talks, currently in Kenya, are the fourteenth round to date, and these have lasted a year so far with little result. The numbers attending have swelled to nearly 1000 from the 400 delegates invited and the bill is believed to be more than $7m (funded mostly by the European Union). It makes the inter-Congolese dialogue in Sun City look like a walk in the park. Walkouts by one party or another have become commonplace. The talks have also been marked by incidents of violence and even murder. Somalis say that the process is not home-grown but being imposed on them, and this is why it will not work. Another problem is the internal wrangling by and agendas of countries in the intergovernmental authority on development, which is facilitating the talks. Member countries are Eritrea, Ethiopia, Sudan, Djibouti, Uganda and Kenya. A key problem is the fact that most "representatives" of the Somalis are self-appointed and lack legitimacy. Their riches and power are built on the chaos of Somalia; peace will not benefit them. It is not clear whether these talks will succeed where others have failed. A need for a solution and an impatience with the problem might push them to a conclusion. But the process lacks strong leadership by the intergovernmental authority on development, and it has little decisive support from the international community. The president of the breakaway republic of Somaliland, Dahir Rayale Kahin, takes a dim view of the proceedings, saying the talks have become just another business for the warlords. "Some are thieves who were in jail; now they are wearing ties." Somaliland, which has refused to participate in the talks, may be an example for Somalia to follow. From the ruins of war, it has built a politically stable and peaceful entity from the grassroots, without outside intervention. Its clan system was interwoven into the political structures while its elders smoothed the transition. Rayale has his own solution for Somalia. In return for his country's recognition, he has offered to host a new round of talks. "We know how the southerners think we used to be in the same government. We can share our experiences with them." The international community, he says, must leave Somalia alone to face up to its problems, to find a formula that works for it. "There has been fighting on the Horn of Africa for the past 2000 years. It is natural for Somalis to fight and then to reconcile." His view may not be fashionable, but after 14 rounds of peace talks, who knows? Maybe he i Games is director of Africa @ Work, a company focusing on Africa. Source: Business Day

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Far from it Liqaye, believe me when I say I had a good laugh when I first read the term "Neo-Nationalist" here in SOL, I just thought it would a good source of discussion.

Angel dust or should i really be honest and say sami-girl... It is easier for them to accept the story stating that it is 'other somalis' who are destabilizing Sland. Che summed it up in one line.

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How can one be called and can call him/herself a Somali nationalist? Are there certain guidelines one can have or has one have to have a certain belief to be a Somali nationalist? With the coining of new terms such as "Neo-Nationalist", I want to get a general understanding of what bases the Nomads think along. For those of you who wish to reply that nationalism is haraam, I am writing on the context that as Muslims we need to be united, because to me envisioning Somalia without Islam is a desecration of our faith in my opinion.

Daily Champion (Lagos) October 31, 2003 Posted to the web October 31, 2003 Ndidi Okafor, Cosmas Ekpunobi and Tom Moses Abuja/Calabar WITH Nigeria ceding 33 border villages by December and set to hand over oil-rich Bakassi Peninsula to Cameroun next May, monarch of Bakassi, Etinyin Etim Okon Edet yesterday accused Nigeria of betrayal. He vowed that he and his people will not go to the neighbouring country. The development came as senators said they were yet to be briefed on the reported plan, to surrender the 33 border villages near Lake Chad to the francophone country. Speaking yesterday with Daily Champion in Calabar, Cross River State, where he attended a meeting on the Peninsula matter, Etinyin Edet described the planned hand-over of Bakassi as a betrayal by the Nigerian government. The International Court of Justice (ICJ), or the World Court, at The Hague had last October ruled on the protracted boundary dispute between Nigeria and Cameroun on their 1,600 km frontier, ceding Bakassi and several Nigerian communities to the francophone country. But the Bakassi monarch vowed that his people would never go to Cameroun. "The entire people of Bakassi will never, never shift from their natural and God-given land," he declared. Sounding disturbed by the hand-over plan, Etinyin Edet warned that current events in Iraq will be child's play compared to what will happen in Bakassi should any attempt be made to make his people Camerounians. Said he: "Bakassi people will not accept anything than for us to decide where we want to belong. That is the right that the international law allows. We have the right to determine where we want to belong. It is not the court of law, it is not the federal government of Nigeria, it is even not Cameroun. The last option will be for us to determine where we want to belong. "The issue of Bakassi is not the same as that of Borno, Lake Chad or Adamawa. Maybe they were occupying peoples' land. Because of the Lake Chad water, maybe they were fishing there and as the water was going down, they were following it and they went down and left Nigerian territory. Our own is not so. Our water has never gone down. Bakassi is our land and we will not accept anything than for us to stay in our God-given area, territory and in Nigeria. "We are going to take our destiny into our own hands. After all we had been existing in Bakassi before Nigeria. We had our own government, we had everything. We stayed there until Nigeria came, until government even came. Even local government, we didn't have both, we were still there. So, if at the end of the day, they say the don't want us, I mean Nigeria, we will say, thank you and bye-bye. "We will now ask the United Nations, 'We want to stand by ourselves, we want to determine where we want to be.' So, we have various options." Also the lawmaker representing Bakassi local government area in the Cross River State House of Assembly, Hon. Joe Etene, reacted sharply to government's plan. He corroborated the paramount ruler's statement that government has betrayed the Bakassi people. He noted that Cameroun has not been able to manage its affairs as the people of Southern Camerouns are agitating to break out of Cameroun Republic to form their own Ambazoria Republic and wondered what the situation would be like should Bakassi people join them. "So, to cede a Nigerian territory and then push the people to forceful exile and slavery is a situation we cannot accept. It is either we remain in Nigeria or we pursue our right to self-determination as a people recognised by the African Charter and the United Nations Charter. We have a right to self-determination," the legislator maintained. In the National Assembly, Senator David Brigidi (Bayelsa) said that the Senate was yet to be briefed on the proposed surrendering of 33 villages to Cameroun. Senator Brigidi said that the Senate is supposed to be briefed by the executive arm of government regarding the "full implementation of the ICJ ruling." He said he would not make further comments until "we are briefed because it borders on country to country relationship. We should know." Speculation was rife in the House of Representatives that the South South caucus of the National Assembly will meet this weekend over the decision to cede the 33 villages to Cameroun. However, most lawmakers yesterday declined comment on the planned surrender. Some lawmakers who were contacted declined comment on the ground that they were yet to be properly briefed on the circumstances leading to the said decision to cede the 33 villages. Some lawmakers said "we need to understand what informed such sudden decision before we can comment on the decision to surrender the 33 villages to Cameroun." Chairman of the House Committee on Internal Affairs, Hon West Idahosa (Edo) and his counterpart on the Navy, Hon. Tony Asiegbemi (Edo), said it would not be proper for them to react now without a formal briefing. According to Hon. Idahosa, officials of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs are more competent to comment on the matter. Hon. Asigbemi simply added "please, come back on Monday for my reaction so that I can study the report." But Dr. Harry Oranesi (Anambra) said "I will like to first know the conditions for the said decision." "We should know what Cameroun will give in turn to Nigeria to have the said 33 villages," he added.

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I like the neo nationalist crowed of Somalia today people who where once the either Afweyne or clan diehards are now Somali nationalists. This crowed is against everything, Somaliland, Puntland, peace processes that doesn’t go their way LIQIYE, like few other neo nationalist up in this forum, would tell us the truth about an individual but provide little evidence. I will defend Abdullahi Yusuf against the neo nationalist truth. O.K Liqaye brother there are some nomads who've been down this road before, more then once I might add, and the advice they would give you is have the self-confidence to end it now. Advice brother, dad hadal raadinaayo baa meesha ka buuxo. Ignore :cool:

I think Edna Adan is doing more damage to "Somaliland"'s quest for recognition then anything else. I would think it is enough that some very high-profile murders have taken place, but to accuse it of "other" Somalis is ludicrous. That ********* must give some a good laugh in the international arena.

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^^^^^^^^^^^^and I suppose Somali Galbeed cities aren't full of racism and tribalism toward "non-Somalilander's" right? :rolleyes: I have nothing against a northern Somali city becoming capital, but walaalayaal let's be objective please.