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I am commenting on your general behavior in this forum And you are the Personality Officer of SOL? :confused: How many other people have you went around commenting on their behavior and more better how many people have went around commenting on your behavior? My statement was meant to bring your actions to light ...and this serves what cause for what purpose? Waaq I assure you brother that I have been to inumerable debates in this forum and not all of them have I come out being the best of friends with my foe. If this was for a grudge or something and you thought it was a good time to attack, I assure you bro that you could've just pm me and we would've worked things out. :eek:

African Church Information Service December 8, 2003 Posted to the web December 8, 2003 Nernlor Gruduah Nairobi As Inter-Governmental Authority on Development (IGAD) foreign ministers meet in Nairobi today (December 8) to restart the stalled Somali peace talks, a senior United Nations official is urging the mediators not to waver until a comprehensive and all-inclusive peace settlement is reached. Our writer, Nernlor Gruduah, reports. The head of the United Nations Political Office for Somalia (UNPOS), Mr Winston A Tubman, has said that only an all-inclusive agreement will bring lasting peace in the country, and end the suffering of the people. Bickering among Somali clan-based factions over the composition of a new political structure has resulted in the current stalemate in the Somali National Reconciliation Conference. The talks have been taking place in Kenya for more than a year now. Discussions began in October last year in Eldoret town in western Kenya, before being transferred a few months later to the capital, Nairobi. Despite an immediate agreement on cessation of hostilities, the various militia groups operating in parts of Somalia have made it impossible for this to be observed. The foreign ministers meeting here today, drawn from a facilitation committee comprising representatives from Kenya, Uganda, Ethiopia, Djibouti and Eritrea, are expected to table a proposal that will push forward the process. Their meeting will be followed by a proposed 10-day retreat of the various Somali factions in the Kenyan coastal town of Mombasa, according to Tubman, who is also the representative of UN Secretary-General in Somalia. "The process should not be abandoned because of this impasse. The foreign ministers should come up with a decision that will unblock the process," says Tubman. "Our duty is to support IGAD, and we will continue to support it fully," he adds. The UN envoy, a Liberian, whose country is beginning to emerge from 14 years of brutal civil war, says he is aware of the complexity and intractability of the Somali crisis. He is calling on facilitators not to grow weary, but to ensure that a durable solution is found. His advice comes amid threats of a boycott of the talks by the recently formed Somali National Salvation Council, an alliance of 12 factions. The vice chairman of the alliance, Barre Hirale, is quoted as having said that the Nairobi talks were not home-grown, and imposed on them. He had suggested that a reconciliation conference be held inside Somalia. But several other past reconciliation conferences have failed to produce a unifying government in the country. Somalia has been without an effective central government since 1991, following the ousting of President Siad Barre. Clan-based rival warlords have carved out numerous fiefdoms within the country, with the defacto Transitional National Government (TNG), headed by Abdulkassim Salat Hassan, controlling only parts of the capital, Mogadishu. The main sticking point has been over the number of members of parliament to be chosen by each group, including elders, and clan and faction leaders. Despite this, an optimistic Tubman maintains that the international community is putting pressure on all the stakeholders, including those threatening a boycott, to turn up and begin the third phase of the talks. After the withdrawal of the interim president from the talks in July, the UN official explains, other groups opposed to the government felt the delay was unnecessary, and also threatened to boycott the talks. Salat walked out of the talks, arguing that they were leading to the "dismemberment" of Somalia. He was particularly incensed by plans being negotiated to introduce a federal system in the country. "We do not want to leave out any group that represents a significant segment of the Somali society, which would be a potential threat to any future arrangement. That is why this conference is different from the one held in Djibouti, that led to the creation of the interim government," Tubman cautions. The Salat government was appointed in August 2000 by clan elders and other senior Somali leaders at the Djibouti conference, but excluded key warlords. Consequently, some of the warlords ganged up against the interim government, making it impossible for it to exercise authority over the country. Groups opposed to the TNG are also allegedly backed by Ethiopia, thereby complicating the situation. Intermittent clan fighting has continued ever since. Another contentious issue is Salat's refusal to leave office after his three-year mandate expired in August. He argued that his government would not step down until a new government and parliament had been set up. His sacked Prime Minister, Abshir Farah, told journalists that the TNG became illegitimate as from August 13, and accused Salat of deliberately attempting to make the Somali peace talks fail, so as to justify prolonging his stay in power. Salat's camp has been joined by the so-called Juba Valley Alliance in opposing other factions at the talks. The Kenyan head of the facilitation committee, Ambassador Bethwel Kiplagat, is quoted as saying the talks have so far cost US$7 million. Funding is being provided by the European Union, individual EU member states, as well as the Arab League. Less than two weeks ago, Kenya's foreign affairs minister, Kalonzo Musyoka, also complained that since the talks began last October, no tangible arrangement had been reached at. Asked about his acceptance by the Somali people to oversee the process, a confident Tubman replied: "I find them very friendly people. They know we in Liberia have had similar problems, so they open up to me." He added: "Moreover, they know the UN is being headed by an African and as such, there is a lot of trust in us. They are able to convey messages on pertinent issues through me to the Secretary-General."

Personally I don't care if you lose respect for me because I don't subscribe to your opinions. Walaal I'm lost as to your reply. Mind me for being so blunt, but where did you come into the picture? If you agree with me. fine. If you agree with Samurai, fine. I f you have your own ideas to put forth, fine. But I'm still lost as to your post. Mind me for being so intrusive, for I had the surprise of seeing my name on your post.

Samurai if your answer is neither, and that the two (Ethiopia and the Arab world) are equal in their destabilization of Somalia, then I say that I verily found out where you stand on the Somali (or should I say regional) political compass. If my conclusion is wrong and I misjudged your answer, then I would wish you to come and reclaim the integrity and respect that I have lost for you my friend. Ethiopia outside of somali malfaesence is the number 1 enemy. Liqaye walaal Somali nationalist unhindered by qabiil politics agrees with you.

Samurai walaal you have a habit, like our dearly departed nomad Oodweyn, of shutting down a conversation because of either an overly long post or a very smart sounding. Walaalkay I applaud your standing point in the English language vocabulary, but can you spare me the time and energy wasted in having to look up every other word in the Oxford dictionary? I'm sure it won't kill you to use a vocabulary 99% of the nomads can understand. Secondly I'm in no shape or form promoting or propagating a certain or conceived (in your case) idealogy, except that I wish to question the validity of those obstacle mentioned by our "scholar" and his true intent. If that to you means that I have a subconscious "ideology [that].. is a symbol of [my] ideological stance in the Somali political idiosyncrasies", then be it your opinion. I, however, want to reask my question. Aside from Somalis themselves, which of the two, the Arab world or Ethiopia, is more of a threat to the Somali nation? As you see sxb the choice of answers is limited to two Mahadsanid I hope your answer will put to rest my curiosity about you yourself myfriend.

Samurai walaal where did Abdiqasim, Galgaduud, and Hiraale come into the picture? Samurai your hypothesis has no basis ina adeer. It seems to me like you're trying to make a third lane legitimate within an already established two lane. I want to ask you a simple question in which will solve this diatribe. Mobb Deep has answered and I want to know what your answe is. Do you believe that the Arab world has destabilized and is more an enemy to the Somali people and nation than our dear neighbor Ethiopia? Mahadsanid saaxiib. I will be looking forward to your reply.

First welcom back Bari, second Allah (SWT) is watching and inshallah the tide will turn for Muslims everywhere.

My dear brother Mobb Deep I in no way excused the members of the Arab League of any wrongdoing in Somalia, but I just questioned the motives and hidden agendas of the abovementioned "list". Mobb you yourself validated my point when you said " Horn, you are right Ethiopia is our enemy number one ". Let's say for example our dear "Dr." had a memory lapse; can we then trust him in to remembering other very important points? To make my suggestion in a more blunt way, I would say that the author dropped Ethiopia, because Addis Ababa is Abdulahi Yusuf's best friend and mentor. Therefore not a threat to P/Land.

2. Funds from some Arab countries that is used to destabilize Somalia Now how is it that this scholar (a so-called PhD holder) had the sense to include the Arabs in our destabilization, but totally forget to mention our dear neighbor to the west, our long time adversay Ethiopia? Or is it just a lapse of memory? To me this all goes back to qabyaalaad. Ethiopia isn't hostile to my qabiil, so it must not also be hostile to the Somali nation. Wake up and smell the sanjabiil in the qaxwo, siyaasinimo ku tiiran qabyaalad meeshaa taaganahay ee na keentay! Peace to Somalia. Peace to Muqdisho Peace to Boosaaso. Peace to Garoowe Peace to Hargeisa. Peace to Burco. Peace to Kismaayo. Peace to Cabudwaaq. Peace to Baraawe. Peace to Marka. Peace to Baydhabo. Peace to Somalis. Aamiin.

I love you too Angel_Dust.

Sister Angel-Dust I skipped over your part in Oodweyn's predictions didn't I. Silly of me Brother Oodweyne, Can I dare add am in your little secret! as in I know of these countries you speak of Why do you think I gleam with pride and joy--it is becuase I know what many may not know YET Peace, Love and Somaliland Angel. Angel Dust's part code: Maybe he is now retired into becoming his old miz-unique Just what I was thinking Libaax

Miz Unique abaayo the truth hurts.

Ayoub although "Somaliland" is worthy of applause for it's peace and security, let's try to give the big picture next time bro. this is part of official advice being given to US citizens who wish to travel to Somaliland by the US State department: Walaal this is the official advice. Somalia Travel Warning October 31, 2003 This Travel Warning is being issued to remind Americans of continued concerns about the security situation in Somalia. This supersedes the Travel Warning of March 4, 2003. The Department of State warns U.S. citizens against all travel to Somalia, including the self proclaimed “independent Republic of Somaliland”. Inter-clan and inter-factional fighting can flare up with little warning, and kidnapping, murder, and other threats to U.S. citizens and other foreigners can occur unpredictably in many regions. Recent attacks against foreigners in the self-declared "Republic of Somaliland" in northern Somalia have occurred, and the Sanaag and Sool Regions in eastern Somaliland, bordering on Puntland (northeastern Somalia), are subject to insecurity due to potential inter-clan fighting. In addition, the Mogadishu area, the Puntland region in northern Somalia, and the districts of Gedo and Bay (especially the vicinity of Baidoa) in the south have experienced serious fighting. Territorial control in the Mogadishu area is divided among numerous groups; lines of control are unclear and frequently shift, making movement within this area extremely hazardous. U.S. citizens are urged to use caution when sailing near the coast of Somalia. Merchant vessels, fishing boats and pleasure craft alike risk seizure and their crews being held for ransom, especially in the waters near the Horn of Africa and the Kenyan border. http://travel.state.gov/somalia_warning.html

One of the most broad understanding articles of the habesh policy on our lands that I have had the pleasure of reading. I encourage Somali folks to read this and understand the implications that have happened, are happening, and will happen.

My dear friend Oodweyn it is the end of November, and if I remember clearly it was supposed to be independence month. Walaalayaal for my dear "Lander" family your patriotism is not a waste, but it becomes one when wasted on a forced dream. I guarantee you with everything I have and myself that the leaders of "Somaliland" save for an individual or two are all for Somali unity. The see "Somaliland" and it's seat as a stepping stone to their higher and more ambitious goal: the seat in Muqdisho. There is no independence coming and certainly no recognition, you mark my words dear "Landers". Dear Mr Bari-Nomad, you are more than welcome to hold me to that statement by the middle of november, and the reason that I am sure of myself, is that I happen to be a "Member" of the delegated group who were in constant negotiations with various nations around the world, where discussion of the "Bilateral" recognition had been going on earnestly for the last several months in a serious and methodical manner; suffice to say we have concluded the agreements with several nations around the world, and the first one will be anouncing the recognition of somaliland state by his country in a "Exact" given date, and I happen to know what that date is, for I had took part in the deliverence of the "Two-Way" agreements between Somaliland on one hand and the concern countries on the other hand , for the legal recognition of Somaliland Statehood!!,...rest assure of that fact Dear Bari-nomad,...Keep the days and the weeks counting from your end,...the D-day is in november of this year,... Regards, Mr Oodweyne. Is this guy a joke? :confused: Secondly, I have said it before, and I'll say it again, count the days and the weeks, Bari-nomad, and remember in the month of "November" of this year, at that precise moment, your self-evident attempt of fishing for a pointless argument such this one that is asking us somalianders to justify our case, will be even more butt-clenching and embarrassingly "Futile" on your account; for that day is the "D-Day" of Somaliand legal Statehood recognition,.... Thirdly, It would be more than a fitting for me to put you out of your "Deep Misery", and tell you the exact day, and which country that will be the first one to announce the "Statehood Recognition" of Somaliland, but if I were to do that, where is fun in that, in which I shall have at your expense, it's as you know, exceptionally amusing to see the defeated ideologues of somali-weyn's "Followers" to try to figure out helplessly which country will be the first one to recognised that young but promisingly bright nation of ours that is known as a Somaliland State in this coming month of November!! --I repeat in November this year!!--. For it's wholly a pretty sight to watch in my view, when one see his eternal protagonist coming to terms with that sobering fact, which is the dawning of Somaliland legal statehood recognition and endorsement, and all of their scheme and senseless intrigue, as well as long cherished hopes of sabotaging Somaliland quick steps to nation-statehood, are finally coming to the sad end and to no tangible avail on their account,.... How, one always wondered in suspense, rose-smellingly Sweet, a decisive "Victory" is,...we shall found out for oursake in November,...be rest assure of that fact, dear Bari-nomad,... Finally, by-the-by, remember this folks, and that is a good and firm gentlemanly handshake and throat-clearing shout of "Honours due chaps" is what we shall expected of from your somali-weyn camp toward us somalilanders chaps, as the sobering remark to indicate our monumental victory, and sadly also as token indication of your acceptance of the defeat of your greater somalia state ideology in the battlefield of destiny that had been raging in the last past 13 years of our time. But do not fear, for we shall invite you to our biggest and mother of all celebratory bash, in the honour of our achievement at the end of November of this year,....and please remember this --for the sake of that night--we shan't entertained long silences nor decently shall expect a sad and languid faces from you on that occasion most assuredly,.... In other words, stiff upper lips shall be the gentlemanly manner, in which you swallow your visceral defeat,... for it just so happens that you would have expected nothing less of a conduct from us, if the balance of fate had been in your favour and the other way round!!,... I'll hold you to that gentlemanly promise of holding your collective heads up, as you stare the recess shallow of that soul-destroying defeat that you've suffered in our hand in the eye unwaveringly,... Let us all hope, that when the appointed hour strikes for Somaliland recognition, and we proceed collectively to bury the idea of "Somali-Weyn State Ideology And It's Institutional Aspirations" to the shallow graveyard of history, we shall say aloud to ourselves: That nothing of her past endeavour of constant turmoil, failed promises and the social heartache in our somali-inhabited region in the horn of africa, shall remotely be equal to the "Serenely Peaceful" manner in which we collectively consign her to the "Oblivion Annals Of Somali History",... for that is where "She" --The Concept Of Somali-Weyn Statehood-- as a "Failed Ideology" deservedly belongs to,.... "In, conclusion, dear hornAfrique, rest assure, that somaliland will be receiving it's bilateral legal recognition on the Autumn of this year from several countries, at precisely in November of this year, I even know the name of the first country, the exact date in that month of november that this will be announce, at even the name of the minister of that country that will announce the recognition of his country towards Somaliland Republic, I even know at which city he will be in when that said minister announce that crucial information (it will be in Hargeisa!!) as well as how many nation in total that will be recognising the somaliland statehood all in all within this "Autumn" of this year." Buu baah.Bood bood.Buu quuq.Baa caac. indeed!

United Nations (New York) November 26, 2003 Posted to the web November 26, 2003 The United Nations World Food Programme (WFP) is expanding its operations in Somalia's northern Sool Plateau in the face of the worst drought to hit the region in more than two decades and is appealing urgently for more funds to "prevent widescale malnutrition and stave off a humanitarian disaster". The agency will begin distributing food this week to more than 60,000 vulnerable people facing severe shortages. "Both the people and their livestock are in a dire situation," WFP Representative for Somalia, Robert Hauser, said in a statement in Nairobi, Kenya. "WFP urgently needs more funds if we're to continue our planned assistance over the next five months. "We need some $6.5 million to buy about 8,600 tons of food aid. If the resources were available, we would expand assistance beyond the 64,000 people to an additional 41,200 needy people in 18 villages," Mr. Hauser added. The Sool Plateau, covering parts of Sool and Sanaag districts in Somaliland, as well as parts of Bari district in Puntland, an autonomous territory in northern Somalia, have suffered three consecutive years of drought. In July, WFP began distributing badly needed assistance in collaboration with the UN Children's Fund (UNICEF). Supplementary rations were provided to the most vulnerable people at health centres in 12 villages. WFP is now extending its supplementary food distributions to a further 26 villages. Some 64,000 of the most disadvantaged people in Somaliland and Puntland will receive rations of maize and beans and vegetable oil. Pastoral families in rural Somalia depend largely on the sale of animals and milk to survive. But wells and watering holes have dried up over the past three years and herds of livestock have been devastated. Among the animals that have survived, many are too thin to be sold and their reproductive rates have dropped. Consequently, milk production has plummeted, at a time when prices for rice, a staple food, have soared. In previous years, a 50 kilogram bag of rice cost one goat; this year it costs two or three goats.

Somali Peace Rally (Bossaso City) PRESS RELEASE November 24, 2003 Posted to the web November 24, 2003 Galkaio City The citizens of Somalia have continued to witness many brigand type activities committed by no one but someone claiming the title of a leader, an unfortunate word in today's Somalia. Reports of toxic waste dumped in Somali territory are widespread. However, the plaguing of Somalia’s marine resources by few individuals with pecuniary motives has become a daily occurrence. Col. Abdullahi Yusuf of Puntland and his commission taking practices are a case in point. To perpetuate his dubious deals in Somalia's high seas, the Col. Abdullahi has now arranged secret contracts in Thailand in November 2002 to exploit Somali marine resource. In the last two years, millions of dollars have been swindled by Abdullahi and his company through similar secret deals. Most of this money has been used for building up militia in order to suppress the people through the barrel of the gun. It is not only theft that SPR is concerned about. We are concerned about the negative effects these deals have for biodiversity. The vessels that Abdullahi gave fishing permits are involved in sweeping high-value tuna, shark and ray fins, lobster, deepwater shrimp and demersal Whitefish, according to source knowledgeable to marine science. People who know Col. Yousuf very well confirmed to SPR that he is a man who is not known for due diligence. "If he is getting money for building up his warlordship, biodiversity is not an issue for him. If he will stay in power, constitution or democracy has no meaning for him", was argued by his critiques. "The implications of Abdullahi’s suspicious deals for Puntland/Somalia are of two fold ­ the resources of the land are stolen by one man and a collaborating gang. Millions are siphoned off in foreign accounts, some of which is used for warlordism, buying armies and recruiting thousands of militias to suppress his people ­ the biodiversity of the beautiful seas of Somalia is jeopardized by the reckless and uncontrolled fishing vessels. It is about to time ask, how is Col. Yousuf different from Mr. Munye who is the only warlord residing outside the country ­ Yemen. It is no surprise that Col. Abbdulahi recently milked $1million from Munye for the ill-fated reconciliation exercise in Kenya. Obviously, Abdullahi decided to exploit Somali marine resource for personal greed and power hungry dreams. Allafrica.com

so is it my time to go.....I think as I put a hand over my watch.......attempt to try to hold time.... yes........maybe but if feels like the elevator is reaching my floor lately........ I'm feeling that line sis I like reading your poetry. you're talented I guess it runs in the family.

Angel Dust whilst one half of the problem is not even willing to acknowledge past mistakes Walaal I assure that that's the most acknowleded thing in Somali politics, so I wonder what will it do for you to talk about it more. The past has happened and we can't do anything about it. People were killed in Somaliland, as people were killed in Muqdisho, Baidoa and elsewhere. Why? Because their time designated by Allah (SWT) was over. The circumstances of their death were written before they were born. So abaayo Ilaahay ha u naxariisto? Jannutul Fardowsa ilaahat ha geeyo dadki ladilay. AAmin.

Originally posted by Che-Guevara: Ok, Horn Afrique what is matter now bro? Confused :confused: What do you mean?

NAIROBI (Reuters) - Kenya said on Friday it planned to host a gathering of 40 faction leaders from Somalia next month in an attempt to revive its neighbour's stalled peace talks. Foreign Minister Kalonzo Musyoka said he hoped the meeting on December 9 would convince some Somalian faction leaders to re-enter negotiations, aimed at ending more than a decade of fighting, which they had abandoned over the last year. "The meeting is absolutely crucial to jumpstart the (peace talks)," Musyoka told a news conference. "We hope that at the end they will be able to agree on all outstanding issues, to form their own agenda and we hope they will be able to go through all those tricky matters that made some of them leave." Kenya's Horn of Africa neighbour has been torn by violence since 1991, when military leader Mohammed Siad Barre was overthrown and the country descended into chaos. Kenya has hosted more than a year of peace talks, but they have faltered with the withdrawal of key faction leaders. Two delegates to the talks were murdered in October and November. Musyoka said he hoped the leader of the defunct Somali Transitional National Government, who abandoned the talks in Nairobi, would be present at the leaders' meeting. "We are very optimistic that if we get together on December 9, we will get some kind of direction," he added. Musyoka was speaking on his return from Djibouti, a member of the regional Intergovernmental Authority on Development body that is facilitating the Somali peace process in Kenya. In September, Djibouti withdrew from the body's facilitating committee, which it shared with Kenya and Ethiopia, complaining that the talks had only served to stoke tensions between Somalia's rival leaders. Musyoka said the Kenyan government was doing all it could to ensure delegates were safe while attending talks in Nairobi. AlertNet

^^^On the contrary Shujui this discussion has been very stimulating and one of the most civilized discussions I've seen in SomaliaOnline for quite a while. Now if a few lost individuals, although more than welcome, decide to voice their realistic distortions then it is their problems. Sami_Gyrl is, I believe, suffering from post traumatic Stress or something. If I knew her or where she lived, I would definitely pay for a mental evaluation on her. No kidding.