Ayoub if you are accusing me of having stolen Somalia's National treasury, walaal I can assure you I took no part in it. If you are accusing all the people of my clan or sub-clan (if that's what you're really after ) of having taken part of that looting, then that is generalization, which is like saying "all the people [man,women,children,elderly] of Waqooyi Galbeed are khat chewers. Is that fair :confused: But if I took your post the wrong way and are not accusing my self or my whole qabiil, but certain members or even other Somalis then that is justified. I like peope who are real Ayoub, if you want to ask me something ask me, why do you have to be fake? I also didn't understand Shaqsii's post about what was so interesting about one being accused of theivery?

Afar jeeble yasha hargeisa baa sual kas kaa jawabi karaa. Ayoub I don't know anymore then you do, although I seem to sense that you want me to follow certain reports and name Galaydh (the first prime minister of the TNG) as the culprit Believe me I knew what you ment the first time, I just wanted to drag you a bit

what you fail to understand is and you can't read behind the lines is that nowadays the word somali nationalist or somaliweyn is associated with naivity, stup1dity, hipocrycy and dark history. so make your choice. You know what they say bro "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". :cool: Translate that saying into this case

Originally posted by Sooyaal: quote: Well there you have it foks, the male version of our dearly departed SamiGyrl. horn the great somali nationalist and the father of all moral issues. Horn was that you who said they sent money to those moriyaan in xaraale who are killing each other? The irony or ironies, would you excuse me, Sooyaal, if I have a hearty laugh. Your post actually turned out more of a compliment than anything else I believe a Muslim man should never return to his enemies hands.. and that is a major sin … and don’t tell me .. Separation of religion and state affairs.. cause Islam is not just a religion it is a way of life… ONLF is just a name O.G walaal simply beautiful.

Your line of reasoning seems to be lost on me :confused: Care to give a better explanation.

Libaax exasperation at its best He is a man inebriated with the exuberance of his own verbosity I should think so!

Originally posted by AYOUB_SHEIKH: Smith and Horn Since were are all sending money to cure our folks pains in the necks, then who's got the money stollen from Siad's fallen regime? :confused: And I should know that any more than you because... :confused:

I don't recall that i addressed you specifically but message received and understood, when addressing lst i am to direct any correspondence to you O.K :rolleyes: :rolleyes: So if you understood then why are you still at it :confused: Have you ever heard of say what you mean? Secondly the diatribe you're looking for is one of bickering back and forth and frankly I have no time for that, so take my post as an optional advice and nothing less All in a good day

(hey guys just call me Libax, dude i ain't going to call you libax i'm a grown *** man) And this is supposed to mean :confused: :confused: Ciyaalnimo meesha soo gahay miyaa? :rolleyes:

^^^ Everyone has their opinions walaal.

Well there you have it foks, the male version of our dearly departed SamiGyrl. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Bari_Nomad: -bring some anti-federalist on side(such as MMA, HornAfique ) Yes, Bari I really don't agree to a Fedral Somalia (it will further the qabiil proplem in my opinion), but I support any outcome that comes out. They say A man cannot choose between a house or an apartment if he is homeless. Besides isn't "Bunt" supposed to be "Punt".

Originally posted by Gediid: Horn What ever makes you happy saaxiib. PS I remember seeing in another post how you said the recent conflict in Xeerale is draining you emotionally iyo FINANCIALLY....Ma ka soo kabatey weli. How slow am I? Your dear "Lander" compatriot Ayoub Sheikh also asked me the same question and it didn't get to me. Gediid Somaali baa tahay, laguma eedeeni karo Why don't you just come out with what you are trying to say :confused: I have already stated the intent of my money. Second do you yourself not send money to folks back home? If you don't dear Gediid, then I assure you we're made of different stuff. It's greed and jaahilnimo that keeps one from not sending qaaraan money to his deceased relatives.

Gediid walaal anyone who is for a united, strong Somalia is my compatriot in arms. Second kaftan or not, the underlying point of this thread was for *guess what*, you got it! :eek: Las Anoud is a city populated by no "Puntlanders" nor "Somalilanders". I call anyone who was born in or resides there "LA people" irrespective of qabiil. And third of all how can "Somaliland" claim any place in the Republic of Somalia, when it, itself, is contested? Allaw Sahal Amuuro Somalia 4 Life

Well then thank you. Inshallah Allah, SWT, will reward it for me.

Ayoub Sheikh why don't you enlighten me as to what is so humurous about my former post? :confused:

^^^In no certain terms my brother! :eek: Any money that leaves my pockets goes straight to a sheekh uncle of mine with specific orders for medical purposes only. However that's not to say that a lot of Diaspora Somalis don't support their folks militarily.

SmithNwestern the fighting went from a revenge killing of a very prominent businessmen of my clan to land uprootment. Inshallah I hope it stops, you can never convince Somalis to stop fighting. Personally this "war" is draining me emotionally as well as financially.

16 December – Aiming to stem the continued flow of weapons through Somalia, the United Nations Security Council today requested the establishment of an expert group to make recommendations on tightening the arms embargo against the country. In a resolution that was adopted unanimously, the 15-member Council called for the monitoring group to investigate breaches of the embargo - especially transfers of ammunition, single use weapons and small arms - by land, air and sea. The group would be comprised of up to four experts with a six-month mandate. The Council wants the Nairobi-based monitoring panel, after carrying out work in Somalia and neighbouring States, to make specific recommendations about how to strengthen the embargo. The experts will also compile a draft list of "those who continue to violate the arms embargo inside and outside Somalia, and their active supporters, for possible future measures by the Council," according to the resolution. Today's action comes just over a month after the Council sent a mission to Somalia to explore ways of giving full effect to the embargo, which was put in place in 1992 in a bid to restore peace to the volatile country. A previous panel of experts, also set up at the request of the Council, found last year that the repeated embargo breaches are undermining attempts to restore peace and stability to the country, which has lacked a central government since 1991. Somalia has been beset by anarchy, civil strife and famine since then, but a national reconciliation process since 2000 has led to the formation of a transitional government.

United Nations Security Council is to set up a unit to investigate violations of an arms embargo on Somalia. The unit will carry out a six-month investigation in the country and its neighbours. In 1992 the UN banned the supply of arms in Somalia after the fall of President Mohammed Siad Barre. Since then the country has been riven by fighting between clans and attempts to form an effective central government have failed. A previous panel of experts informed the council that there was a continuous influx of small arms into Somalia. Experts The monitoring group that will be based in the Kenyan capital, Nairobi, will prepare a list of those who continue to violate the UN arms embargo. Last month a panel of experts appointed by UN Secretary General Kofi Annan found evidence linking embargo violations with illegal arms flow to neighbouring countries, piracy and activities of armed groups and extremists beyond Somalia's border. According to AP news agency, the UN report reveals that weapon shipments originate or are re-routed through Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, the United Arab Emirates and Yemen. A Transitional National Government (TNG) led by President Abdikassim Salat Hassan has failed to gain acceptance outside of some parts of the capital. Peace talks which have been taking place for a year in Kenya have made little headway.

if slands existance depends on this kind of service to Ethiopeans then ONLF (which i don't support) should sacrifice few of their members to help their hopeless brothers to survive. Sooyaal you might as well just say you are an ardent supporter of the Riyaale "administration". Despicable walee, to even begin to think over of handing your freedom fighting brother to raw-meat eating habeshas. If "Somalilands" existence depends on Ethiopia then why seek recognition? Recognition means that you are a sovereign nation,capable of running your state. If you're not ready to jump a bridge, why jump?

Why don't we come out and just say the name of the qabiil that resides in Las Anoud? O.k. All this LA people and that. Gediid and Guraad how could there be "LA people" in Hargeisa or Bosaso, when they are citizens of Las Anoud? [ December 16, 2003, 05:56 PM: Message edited by: Admin ]

Liqaye ina adeer first that is a very, very, very farfetched goal for a United Africa don't you think? It took Europe two world wars and almost a century to come to a single currency that is not even unanimously used. Second Somali leaders have too much pride and a thirst for power to even begin to give up their sovereignty to the same "jareers" that they abused within the borders of Somalia itself. Liqaye you live in South Africa don't you? Hasn't Somalia made an enemy of itself to the whole of southern and western Africa, because of the Somalis disgraceful treatment of the Bantus? I have always believed that Somalia's political ties lie with the Arab world. Not because of some "descents" or not, but because of our religion, culture, and centuries of shared traditions. As the library of Congress says: Somalia has a long history of cultural, religious, and trade ties with the Arabs of the Arabian Peninsula, which lies across the Gulf of Aden. Although Somalis ethnically are not Arabs, they identify more with Arabs than with their fellow Africans. Thus it was not surprising when Somalia joined the League of Arab States (Arab League) in 1974, becoming the first non-Arab member of that organization.

Siyaasadaan Waa Bolitical-Saciid farax-1967 Lakkad you somethin else , but dear Dr Dean is the next president of the United States of America. As for Saddam, if he was hated previously, this will sure garner a lot of sympathy for him.

Today’s suffering of the Somali people, is the unfortunate result of the lawless, chaos and anarchy that engulfed the overall living conditions of the people. This suffering dates back from the day Siad Barre’s regime collapsed in 1990 and the subsequent destruction of all social and economic institutions of the country and the recurrent inter-clan clashes that become part of the daily life. Our people, particularly the young ones were exposed to lack of education, health facilities, and other basic needs (electricity and clean potable water) that are necessary for every human being. Unemployment reached its highest level in the history of Somalia. Constant insecurity and other harsh condition that human being could not tolerate become bearable in this part of the world. Those who can afford to go abroad in a decent way they already left from the country while others adventured to abroad in search of better place to live. On the way in their journey, they encountered fatal conditions that killed most of them before they reach their destinations. It become rare events to hear, from world Media that a boat was capsized near the waters of Italy or Yemen, resulting the death of numerous young Somalis sometimes the death toll reaches more than 70 teen ages. All these young generations were escaping from the harsh living conditions of their mother country but unluckily they went from the frying pan to the fire. The few who escaped from the fierce waters of Atlantic and the Indian oceans are now suffering in Yemen Libya, Italy, Saudi Arabia, and others while thousands are roaming around in the nauphering countries such as Kenya, Ethiopia, Djibouti in search of the land of honey and milk. The most tragic incidents are those who are an accounted or still missing from their families and died in either the Sahara deserts of the north African or the temperate zones of the Europe (Italy, Finland, Russia etc.). No body knows their whereabouts and nobody is conducting any advocates for them. Historically Somalis were nomadic people who moves with their Animals from one place to another in search of green pasture for their animals, now its people are migrating from One country to another in search of green pasture. All most all of the country’s elite is now living in abroad, and the country becomes brainless. The few that remained are hiding or guarding themselves heavily from the organized gangsters that are threatening to kill or maim doctors, engineers, aid workers and business men who doesn’t belong to the strong clans. When does this massive exodus started? This massive exodus started in 1940’s when British and Italian colonies were taking our brave ancestors abroad, mainly to Yemen, North / East Africa, and Europe to fight side by side with their soldiers during the second world war. From those years on, Somalis were moving from one country to another and their adaptation to the foreign climates and societies was swift and good. This mass departure gained momentum in 1970’s when the oppression of the regime reached it maximum and country’s economic condition become low due to a combination of the following two factors: - The long drought of 1975 and the sub-sequent war with Ethiopia which put the county in its knees economically. Also in 1970’s it was an economic boom time for Gulf countries particularly Saudi Arabia and certain African countries in which most of the Somali people were going to search for job. All these were no like this mad exodus but people were going through legal migration procedures and was not fatal and risky as the current exodus. From the beginning of the late 1990’s everything went upside down, due to the collapse of the regime and the country plunged into anarchy, which is the main cause of this mass trek Characteristics of those that are fleeing from home. It was realized that most of the adventures who throws their lives in this risky situation are young people who has the following common characteristics: · Mostly are young between the ages of 17-30 · 80% originate or departs from the Southern Somalia.( although there are those who comes from the other parts of the country) · Any one who has the disease that Somalis call BOOFIS goes the risky adventure without regarding the gender (Male or Female). · All most all of them were jobless and disparate in the county. · In education wise they have either primary intermediate level (although certain illiterates are included) · All most all of them its with their virgin journey and have no experience in such voyages. · Mostly they go this kind of journey without the pleasing of their parents. (We can not exclude that in rare cases some parents help their children to adventure). · Appart from the innocent guys there are other guilt ones who are running from the community due to crime they committed. (Looting, killing or committing rape and other crimes). · Clan deportees…(Since there is no universal government, some clan elders deport their violent ones in order to save from both their lives and the community) On the other hand there are groups of organized immigrant smugglers in many counties that required to be dismantled these are the one who are encouraging the young innocent people by imaging the voyage of death to a journey of hope. These immigrant smugglers usually do the following: · Links the boat owners and those who want to immigrate. · Organizes groups of illegal immigrants mostly the same ethnic groups. · Takes commissions from both the boat owners and the immigrates · The money is cheaper when using old and rusted boats. · Always targets the shortest routes through Europe · Most of the boats used are small and have faulty engines. · They just care the money, human beings have no value for them · Some of them are armed and either shoots or throws the people in the sea as it occurred in the waters near the borders of Yeman. Preventive measures:- The only way we can stop this kind of tragedy no to occur again is by taking the following steps. · To monitor efficiently the follow of immigrants from the country · To educate the young people and enhance their awareness of the danger of this kind of voyage of death. · To improve the living condition of young people at home by establishing broad based government. · To dismantle the organized gangs that smuggles the immigrants to Europe. · All concerned governments should jointly collaborate by ending this tragedy which moved both local and international communities. Collective collaboration:- It is time for all the kindhearted Somalis and the entire world to unite and take action; we must not allow the destruction of our youth. We must not lose a generation of young people .we must not allow to lose the work force of our country as we lost the brains of the country. Let us act now. Let us demand immediate action from the entire international community to stop national disaster I just bring all my respect to the Somali People especially after the recent death of more that 70 young people who died and found near the coastal island of Lampedusa. I also feel pity for all the mothers who weep for the loss of their young loved ones that either missed or confirmed their deaths; I implore from you to act now in order to stop these brutal deeds. Regards. Ahmed Dahir Marey Mogadishu, Somalia. E-mail:Axmarey@hotmail.com