Military walaal I appreciate your reply and it's healthy to get input from all corners, but jawaab to you is you could've just respond in the same thread instead of opening this one.

Military walaal I appreciate your reply and it's healthy to get input from all corners, but jawaab to you is you could've just respond in the same thread instead of opening this one.

Military walaal I appreciate your reply and it's healthy to get input from all corners, but jawaab to you is you could've just respond in the same thread instead of opening this one.

we shall see We shall see indeed how a lot of people react.

Read my post Sooyaal.

War yaabku yaabkiis come of it Ayoub. If you wanted to make a point, you more then made it.

Then came the constitutional plebiscite in 1961. Nearly three-fourths of the Republic’s voting population endorsed the constitution So what I'm reading is that the "Landers" assertion that "Somaliland" didn't endorse the union because of the fact that the majority (52%) of northerners voted against it is not accurate, because the vote was counted by the citizens of the Republic and not of a single region.

It is actually the very Brazilian martial arts you heard Shaqsii. I had the pleasure of taking a capoeira class last summer and it was very beelo. I remember movements such as shinga, haba nashkeera, and others. You gotta be very flexible. :eek:

Liverani's race against time Fabio Liverani is an outside possibility to be named in Giovanni Trapattoni's squad for Japan and Korea after an inconsistent season with Lazio. But it would be foolish to write off this remarkable 27-year-old midfielder. He has come much too far to give up on a World Cup place without a struggle. Indeed, while for any player to be named in a finals squad is a very special honour, Liverani is motivated by the knowledge that his own selection for Italy would carry a far wider significance. On 25 April, 2001, the playmaker of Somalian descent made history when he became the first black Italian to play for his country, in a friendly against South Africa. Now he is desperate to go one step further by becoming the first black player to be included in an Italian World Cup squad. Selection would certainly cap a remarkable journey for Liverani. Not only did he make his ground-breaking Italy debut just months after signing for Perugia from Serie C side Viterbese, but he has had to fight prejudice every step of the way. Mercilessly taunted as a kid, he has had to suffer the vilest abuse imaginable from the terraces. Yet his talent has been his greatest weapon in the fight for acceptance. Liverani's deft touches, pin-point passing and tactical awareness had him earmarked for a spot in coach Trapattoni's World Cup squad last summer. His performance on his Italy debut in place of an injured Francesco Totti suggested a seat on the plane for Japan and Korea was his for the taking. Instead, after a difficult first season at his new club Lazio, Liverani is desperate to impress ahead of the 21 May deadline for World Cup squad confirmation. "I have to admit that I cried when I got called up for the first time by Giovanni Trapattoni," Liverani told BBC Sport Online. "I just hope people will not think of me as the first black player in the Italian team, but as an important player." While the colour of his skin has clearly not been an obstacle to success, Liverani has been forced to overcome racist abuse in Serie A's grounds during his battle to reach the top. Last season, while at Perugia in an away match at Reggina, he met the worst face of Italian football. "A lot of people were insulting me," he said. "I remember all the time how I used to return home crying when I was a kid. "Then I entered the adult world and still there were people shouting at me. I simply ignore them and play my best. "That day wasn't the first time it happened and it probably won't be the last." Liverani's success at Perugia led to a move to Lazio in September last year and he again showed his strength of character by silencing a notoriously racist element of the Biancoceleste support. Striking the only goal of the game in November against Juventus also helped. But, with Lazio lurching from crisis to crisis this season, Liverani's place in the side is no longer guaranteed. Now he faces a battle to force his way back into coach Trapattoni's plans. Given the obstacles he has already overcome in his rise to the top, one final hurdle may not yet be beyond him.

My personal opinion is that the US is not the greatest threat to the Islamic world today, it is a distant 2nd to the pathetic arab dictatorships who are in place today Is your opinion clouded by your feelings toward the Arab League position on Somalia?

SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM Wednesday, January 7, 2004 U.S. Defense Secretary Rumsfeld is considering a plan for multi-pronged attacks on insurgency strongholds in such countries as Lebanon and Somalia. U.S. defense sources said the proposal is part of a plan for an expanded offensive against Al Qaida and affiliated terrorist organizations. Over the last six months, the Pentagon has increased the U.S. military presence along the Iraqi-Syrian border to halt the flow of Islamic insurgents into Iraq. U.S. officials said American troops and helicopters have fought the insurgents along the Syrian border and in several cases entered Syrian air space and territory. Next week, U.S. troops are scheduled to launch an exercise with Kenya's military in the Red Sea, Middle East Newsline reported. U.S. defense sources said the exercise could mark the start of the U.S. military strike against Somalia, regarded as a key base for Al Qaida. The sources also said that after a military operation in Somalia, Rumsfeld might recommend a U.S. strike against insurgency strongholds in Lebanon's Bekaa Valley. The area contains Hizbullah and Palestinian forces under the umbrella of the Syrian military. Separately, The London-based A-Sharq Al Awsat reported on Wednesday that a proposal has been submitted to Rumsfeld to expand special operations forces and send them to destroy insurgency strongholds along the Lebanese-Syrian border. The newspaper reported that the proposal was the result of the secretary's decision to expand the U.S. war against Al Qaida and its allies. The Saudi-owned newspaper quoted U.S. sources as saying the first step being mulled by Rumsfeld is for a U.S. military attack on Al Qaida strongholds in Somalia as early as this month. "The global war on terror is continuing, and it will for the foreseeable future," Rumsfeld said on Tuesday. "As we prosecute the war, we'll need to continue to strengthen, improve and transform our forces; modernize and restructure programs and commands."

By INQ7.net THE PHILIPPINES was elected to head the sanctions committee overseeing the implementation of the arms embargo against Somalia, a statement received by INQ7.net on Thursday from the Philippine Mission to the United Nations (UN) in New York said. The statement said that the Philippines was also elected vice chairperson of the sanctions committee for Iraq and the sanctions committee for Liberia. All are under the Security Council where the Philippines has been named a non-permanent member effective January 1. Ambassador Lauro L. Baja, the country's permanent representative to the UN, has informed new Foreign Affairs Secretary Delia D. Albert of the new posts the UN council has assigned to the Philippines, the same statement said. It said the sanctions committee on Somalia was considered one of the most difficult committees in the Security Council with Somalia having the status of being almost a failed state. Ambassador Baja, who also heads the Philippine delegation to the Security Council, will be chairing the Somalia committee and is expected to see to it that Security Council Resolution 733 imposing the arms embargo is observed, the statement said. The Security Council had ordered the imposition of the arms embargo on the eastern African nation in 1992 and had remained in effect to this day because of the continued influx of small quantities of weapons and ammunition that threatened the security and stability of the region. Meanwhile, the Philippine vice chairmanship in the two Security Council committees is particularly important to Manila in view of the deployment of a humanitarian mission taking part in the reconstruction efforts in Iraq and in the deployment of peacekeepers to restore peace and order in Liberia, the statement also said. It said the election of the Philippines to the three committees came as Ambassador Baja made his first statement before the Security Council also on Africa under the item on Eritrea-Ethiopia. Ambassador Baja was reported to have called for the strict implementation of decisions and recommendations of the Security Council and its subsidiary bodies to maintain the credibility and integrity of its action. "There is a heavy sense of frustration whenever Security Council resolutions are either ignored or remain unheeded," Ambassador Baja said, as he noted that nine resolutions and four presidential statements have already been issued on Eritrea-Ethiopia during the last four years. Ambassador Baja also suggested that in conflict situations, the role of neighboring countries and regional organizations should be enhanced. He also recommended that if the mandate and structure of existing sanctions committees were insufficient and ineffective, these should be reinvented to meet current challenges. The Security Council is empowered under Chapter VII of the UN Charter to take enforcement measures -- from economic sanctions to international military action -- to maintain or restore international peace and security. The Security Council has resorted to mandatory sanctions as an enforcement tool when peace has been threatened and diplomatic efforts have failed. In the last decade, such sanctions have been imposed against Iraq, the former Yugoslavia, Libya, Haiti, Liberia, Rwanda, Somalia, Unita forces in Angola, Sudan, Sierra Leone, the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (including Kosovo), Afghanistan and Eritrea and Ethiopia. The range of sanctions has included comprehensive economic and trade sanctions and/or more targeted measures such as arms embargoes, travel bans, financial or diplomatic restrictions. The use of mandatory sanctions is intended to apply pressure on a state or entity to comply with the objectives set by the Security Council without resorting to the use of force. Sanctions offer the Security Council an important instrument to enforce its decisions.

Smith you have me lost brother. This is an article that's dated January 7, uhm? Today.

Even diehard Abdullahi haters must give the man credit for his record on stablity and law and order, look at Colonel Jama Ali Jama's shambles of an admisntration when there where militias in Bossaso, compare that to today, nuff said I've always wondered why folks dislike Siad barre when they support people like Abdulahi. If what we desire is a police state and dictatorships to keep the so-called stability and order, why are we so adamant in our hate for the former regime? Or does our support for men like Abdulahi Yusuf and Riyaale Kaahin come from an inner feeling of security, since it's our order and our stability, hence the order and stability of the ruling party and their cohorts (in this case clan kins)? I once asked my grandma if Siad barre (ilaahay ha u naxariisto) was a good man. She replied of course not, he killed a lot of people, so I asked her why she loves him so much? She looked me dead in the eye and replied "To each his own". She said if Siad Barre had come from the clan of "Puntland" or the clan of "Somaliland" or the clan of Banaadir oe the clan of Bay and Bakool, they would've supported him more loyally, more forcefully, and more vigirously, but alas he had come from her clan, her blood, so she was by God inclined to support her kin. As time went by, I've noticed my Grandma to have told me the ultimate truth and that she has shown me the very core of Somali political and social life. Walaalayaal if we are to survive in the 21 century, we have to start thinking above which reer hebel controls some unproductive peice of desert and start thinking about how to share our resources. Somalia as it's self lacks any natural resources, imagine her divided into several "...lands"

NAIROBI, 7 Jan 2004 (IRIN) - The authorities in the self-declared republic of Somaliland have warned neighbouring Puntland to withdraw its forces from the disputed region of Sool, a senior Somaliland official told IRIN on Wednesday. Tension has been rising between the two sides ever since forces of the self-declared autonomous region of Puntland took total control of the Sool regional capital, Las Anod, late last month. Puntland's spokesman Awad Ahmad Ashara told IRIN at the time that it was normal for the Puntland authorities to send police forces to the Sool and Sanaag area "since both regions are part and parcel of Puntland". However, Fu'ad Adan Ade, the Somaliland housing and rural development minister, who is in charge of his government's operations in Las Anod, told IRIN that Sool and Sanaag were within the internationally recognised boundaries of Somaliland. "The presence of *********ia [Puntland] forces is illegal and illegitimate," he stated. "They should leave before things get out of hand." "These people [Puntland] are arguing in terms of clan, and we [somaliland] are talking about a nation," he added. "Clannism is what destroyed Somalia." Sool and Sanaag fall geographically within the borders of pre-independence British Somaliland, but most of the clans there are associated with Puntland. These are the Warsangeli and the *********** , which, along with ********* - the main clan in Puntland - form the ***** sub-group of the Darood. Ade, who spoke to IRIN by satellite phone from the town of Hudun, 82 km northeast of Las Anod, said his forces were on their way to Las Anod. "I will urge the Puntland forces to leave peacefully. We have been patient long enough." He said the tension created by the arrival of the Puntland forces was hampering humanitarian assistance to the people of the area affected by drought. Thousands of nomads in the Sool Plateau, which is within the disputed regions, have been affected by a four-year drought. "If fighting breaks out, it will not be confined to this area but we will take it to Garowe [the Puntland regional capital]," Ade warned. [ENDS]

Gediid So what do you say to those who think Morgan is a HERO????? Too bad. Plain and simple too bad. Soyaal Either he is mad or high on substance. Or just plain sure of himself :rolleyes: Kibir sometimes can make a person seem insane. Gadiid is there any sane person that thinks Morgan is hero? You would be surprised Sooyaal.

Gediid has given us a little skit about an ugly sister and the hehehe beautifull one, all though all my mind can think is that he is perhaps refering to all the ugly qabilists with their disgusting illusions spreading falsities about the beautifull somali-weyn sister but as always i am biased am i n I think you're right Liqaye

Sooyaal, Morgan "The Butcher of Hargeysa" turns with the tide. First a loyal supporter of the late regime and now wages war on his old compatriots. He has to be accounted for his actions, so how can he be a host to reconcile any Somali?

Originally posted by Gediid: We will pray for you to get your sh!t together just because we can't stand your pathetic jealousy...... Well that was a little harsh sxb But it's o.k, I'll take it with good heart. Second jealousy is not even in the picture, I'm just stressing the sacredness of unity. Gediid whether one region of Somalia is peaceful or another is not, unity of the Somalis will always be my prime focus. However it seems to me like reer Waqooyi have two advantages that they are taking advantage of mercilessly. The fact that their brothers don't have peace and that fact that "Somaliland" is a one-qabiil entity. I'll speak more about those advantages on another time, but I just want to say your little fable about the two sister would be almost touching, except for the fact that the "ugly" sister is the one getting all the offers in this situation, right?

Gediid does this article tell it as how it really is? Second if this article will get "Somaliland" recognition, I guess a lot of people will have to keep praying.

Originally posted by AYOUB_SHEIKH: Macruuf: This is very interesting, would you like to inform us as to how you came to these conclusions that you are prepared to lose your life for? O.k :confused: It doesn't necessarily take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

Bulo abaayo it is my right as an SOL member to post any article that I please, regardless of other's opinions. However, I saw fit to respond to this quote. mida kale hadii aadan goboladaas u dhalan dagaalku ku saamayn mayo,maadaama aysanahayn familkaaga cida ku dhimanaysa bro ha hurinin dabka.article kan aad soo guurisay hal dhinac buu taageersan yahay qof kale baa imaanaya oo dhanka kale raacsan I've lost more family members due to war in this year then I've lost in the last half decade, so ina eedo we should all follow the saying "look before you leap". The fault lies with assumptions Bulo, so don't assume anymore sis. Second you can't tell me you're accusing this article of partisanship? The author, although undoubtably a "Somalilander", has written one of the more objective articles concerning the situation in Laas Caanood and about the hostility between "Puntland" and "Somaliland", then most news articles have. Just the first sentence lies testimony to that; There are dangerous storms gathering momentum in the Sool and Sanaag regions of Somaliland (or of Puntland, depending upon your political bent or blood line, take your pick). Bulo since you also accused me of trying to fuel the fire, because of my posting of this article, let's try to read the last paragraph; Boqor Osman and other like-minded leadership of the regions concerned should be given a chance to help resolve the dispute through peaceful means. Mr. Riyaale should not respond in kind to the irresponsible dare issued by the Puntland soldier in Laascanod. A wounded pride is a small price to pay for averting what would no doubt be a tragic conflict that would bring death, destruction, and massive displacement to the people of the region. In the meantime, shrill voices that only add fuel to the fire should be avoided. So you see sis, it was the pacifist tone of the article itself that I posted it on SOL.

By: Guled Absiye There are dangerous storms gathering momentum in the Sool and Sanaag regions of Somaliland (or of Puntland, depending upon your political bent or blood line, take your pick). Ever since Somaliland declared independence, and the Puntland state came into existence as an autonomous, self-governing entity, the people of this region were caught in the middle. They were confronted with a difficult decision: whether they should side with legal history and go with the reconstituted entity, Somaliland, which they had long been an integral part of, or follow their blood line east to Puntland. The sequence of events since shows their divided loyalties. As different politicians from the region headed in opposite directions looking out for their own personal interests, the choice between blood and historical boundary became even more difficult for the people. The difficulties this has caused to the people of Sool and Sanaag so far would be dwarfed if the gathering storm that seems to be gaining strength by the day is not managed well. When Somaliland declared itself a breakaway republic, it reconstituted all the regions that used to be part of historical British Somaliland into the new republic, spreading its authority to all regions including the Sool and Sanaag regions. Some of the most prominent politicians and elders from the region became an integral part of the executive, legislative and judicial branches of Somaliland. Others, who felt left out, headed east, shopping for portfolios in the Puntland administration where they were richly rewarded with positions. Puntland expected them to bring their constituencies with them. Keeping one foot in each side became an impossible juggling act for the people of the region. The die was cast and it was only a matter of time before things came to a head. In December 2002, Somaliland president, Dahir Riyaale Kahin, went to Laascanod for a visit. He thought he was visiting an integral part of his Somaliland domain. Puntland state headed by Colonel Abdillahi Yussuf had other ideas. They launched a surprise military attack on Mr. Riyaale and his delegation. He barely escaped with his life, thanks to his military escort. This assassination attempt created bad blood between Somaliland and Puntland and things went downhill since. They have been in a tug-of-war over various localities on the eastern fringes of Sool and Sanaag since, subjecting those areas to occasional tax collections by both sides. The Riyaale administration appears to have shown a lot of restraint, trying so hard not to tarnish their carefully nurtured reputation as an oasis of peace, stability, and democracy amid the chaos of what used to be called Somalia. Many of his fellow Somalilanders felt he should have taken a stronger stand in securing the eastern border. Calls by the opposition parties for a robust response to what they characterized as continuous provocations by Abdillahi Yussuf in these regions were becoming louder and louder in recent months. Reported incursions into areas of eastern Sool and Sanaag by Abdillahi Yussuf’s forces and his recent declaration creating new Puntland regions out of Sool and Sanaag appear to have finally pushed Mr. Riyaale over the edge. He issued a directive in early December, 2003 asking the Somaliland people to prepare themselves, as he put it, “for the defense of the country”. The Somaliland parliament followed with passage of a motion to support his call. A few days ago, the city of Laascanod, capital of the Sool region, fell to Puntland forces led by Puntland police Chief Abdirazak Afguduud. They took over the Somaliland regional administration office and police station, arresting some of the Somaliland regional administration officials. The winds of war between Somaliland and Puntland appear to be ominously gathering speed. Derogatory remarks to inflame passions and demonize the other side- usually a prelude dance to war- have already started on both sides. The question is, is there any chance to avoid a conflict? A conflict that could not have come at a worse time for the people of the region, at a time when they are coping with a devastating drought; a conflict that will have no winners; a conflict in which the people of Sool and Sanaag will bear the brunt of its devastation, much like their brethren in other parts of Somalia; a conflict from which the community of this region may not be able to recover for many years to come. It is easy for politicians of both sides to make sanctimonious pronouncements from the comfort of their palaces and play on the tribal instincts and emotions characteristic of our people everywhere. Boqor Osman Buur-Madow, who hails from the region, issued a statement in Hargeisa in which he strongly opposed any plans designed to solve the problem of the Somaliland Eastern regions through military means. He urged that cooler heads should prevail, adding that the people and local leadership of the region should be given a chance to enable the Somaliland administration secure all its territory through peaceful means. One may recall that Boqor Osman is not new to this arena. He had been previously instrumental in the peaceful mediation between the forces of Abdillahi Yussuf and those of General Cadde Muse in Puntland. However, any positive response Boqor Osman’s call could have received in Hargeisa may have been undercut by the reported attack and takeover of the city of Laascanod by Puntland forces a few days later. This could not have happened at a worse time for him. The comments by the Puntland police chief who lead the attack on Laascanod did not help. He was quoted as saying, “if Riyaale has the capability to back up his threats, let him come to Laascanod. The Puntland forces now idle in their barracks will have something to do”. Many people think that a line has now been crossed, and a conflict is imminent. The consequences of such a conflict would be a tragedy of major proportions for all concerned. Boqor Osman and other like-minded leadership of the regions concerned should be given a chance to help resolve the dispute through peaceful means. Mr. Riyaale should not respond in kind to the irresponsible dare issued by the Puntland soldier in Laascanod. A wounded pride is a small price to pay for averting what would no doubt be a tragic conflict that would bring death, destruction, and massive displacement to the people of the region. In the meantime, shrill voices that only add fuel to the fire should be avoided.

War waawareey yabku yaabkiis :eek: Yaa shida arkay. All this war talk leads one to think of two opposing states ( keyword : states) , each with state of the art weaponry with conflicting ideologies and each ready to fire a bullet for a just cause Why is it that that's the impression one gets, when it's really about two murdering odayaals feud? :confused: Two handicapped senile old men; one without a kidney and one without leadership skills. :confused: "Somaliland" was created as a direct threat to Somalia's sovereignty as "Puntland" was created as a direct threat to "Somaliland"'s recognition. The pawns on the chess game are set, let's see how they are played out.

^^^^Then I guess it's my loss isn't it?