Cafar iyo Oromo buu Somali moodey. Gotta agree.

Maore Ithula Nairobi Survivors and children of victims of the Wagalla massacre have accused the Government of reneging on its promise to compensate them. But in a swift rejoinder, Justice minister Kiraitu Murungi said the Government would form a truth and reconciliation commission to look into the circumstances that led to the infamous killings. Earlier in the day, more than 300 protesters took to the streets in a peaceful demonstration to commemorate the 20th anniversary of the massacre that left thousands of people dead. The group marched from the Freedom Corner at Uhuru Park to Sheria House, where they sought audience with Murungi. Without giving a time frame, the minister said the commission would investigate what led to the massacre with a view of seeking justice and compensation for the victims. He assured that the Government was committed to ensuring the residents of North Eastern Province were no longer sidelined "in the distribution of the national cake". Thousands of people were killed and maimed during the February 10, 1984, botched operation to smoke out alleged bandits in Wajir. The operation was conducted by regular police, General Service Unit and Army personnel stationed in Wajir. Male victims were paraded at the Wagalla airstrip where they were forced to lie prostrate on the tarmac for two days in the scorching sun. On the other hand, women were raped and bundled together with children in their manyattas (huts) before being burnt alive. Those who tried to flee were either shot or clobbered to death by the security personnel. The demonstrators yesterday claimed that they had been victimised by the former regime, and appealed to the Government to come to their assistance. Addressing them, Murungi observed that the province was prone to insecurity because it had been neglected by successive governments. The marchers had to wait for several hours at the Sheria House before they were allowed to meet the minister.

thus need not defend my position It's good to see you have nothing to defend. It seems as though you're turning a new leaf in the page? I still have hope for you my boy.

Buu Baah.Bood Bood. Buu quuq. Oh Allah, the frustration one feels. Samurai you have more then made your position ina adeer. Whatever Abdulahi Yusuf supports you support, what ever Abdulahi Yusuf declines, you decline :rolleyes: The peace process has been in more deeper shambles then it's current stage, yet you have been the foremost supporter, the number cheerleader. Now you are calling it a fraud. Why? One would ask. Is it because Abdulahi Yusuf sat through all the trouble, expecting to be the only candidate there when the voting started; and now when most of the warlords/strongmen of Somalia came on board, he feels his odds og getting the "Kursi" are greater then before? The truth of the matter is 14 years has gone by. Over a decade of lost oppurtunities, of having a generation without any education, and a total collapse of our system, our whole way of life. How dare some dying old man (and not only you know who) block our peace and prosperity, and then expect to be rewarded for those crude actions. Abdulahi Yusuf and his warlord friends at the peace process better thank god I'm not a millionaire. Otherwise they would've all seen their graves a loooong time ago. And you Samurai. First your little facade is past gone. There won't be another time when you use us true Somali nationalists at the expense of reer Waqoyi folks. I want to tell you're at liberty to post whatever you. Thats called freedom and having liberty. Something Beer-Laawe, whom you constantly support, is in dire need of being taught.

The oceans, cloning, disappearing languages and mad cows are among the topics at the world's largest general-science meeting, which begins in Seattle Thursday. More than 5,000 scientists and educators are expected for the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, which runs through Monday at the Washington State Convention and Trade Center. "Scientists are specialists, but they're also interested in scientific knowledge more generally. We have this wonderful cafeteria of science with the meeting and they love it," said Dr. Alan Leshner, CEO of the association and executive publisher of its journal, Science. The association has 272 affiliated organizations in 130 countries. Its theme for this year's meeting is "Science at the Leading Edge." The conference includes a variety of free events for the public, including lectures, workshops and a town-hall meeting on oceans. A marine-science pavilion, including films of recent ocean expeditions, also is open to the public. "We're trying to evolve the relationship between science and society," Leshner said. "We have an obligation to have a true dialogue with the public." Weekend educational activities, called "Family Science Days," will feature everything from ice cream made from liquid nitrogen, to exhibits on space, to demonstrations on electricity and molecules. The meeting's lectures also are open to the public each evening at the Sheraton Hotel. Lecture topics will include global warming, childhood HIV infection, black holes and time warps.

"a decree making the agreement legal and binding on the government", said Abdikarim. Very true. Now if Smith or Samurai can answer, why are some individuals crying foul to the same agreement they signed willingly in front of dozens of camera flashes?

^^^^ka ka ka that was very funny

The East African Standard (Nairobi) Posted to the web February 5, 2004 Konchora Guracha Nairobi Punitive measures including sanctions will be used against Somali leaders or faction which derails the ongoing peace process, Kenya has warned. Foreign Affairs Minister Kalonzo Musyoka said yesterday the Somali peace process which has been going on in Kenya for the last 14 months is at a critical stage. He said time was now ripe to enforce the collective will of the Somali people. "No turning back," he stressed. "We would also wish to remind the leaders that the international community would not hesitate to take decisive punitive measure(s) including the application of a targeted sanctions regime to enforce the will of the Somali people to regain their rightful place within the community of nations," Kalonzo stated. Parties to the Somali peace talks including the caretaker president of the Transitional National Government (TNG) Abdiqassim Salad Hassan signed a historic agreement last week at an elaborate ceremony at State House Nairobi presided over by President Kibaki. Speaking in his office at a media briefing on the progress of the Somali peace process, Kalonzo disclosed that he had instructed Kenya's Special Envoy to the Somali talks, Bethuel Kiplagat, to speed up a meeting of all traditional leaders to participate in the Third and final phase of the talks. The agreement signed last week followed a four-month hiatus in the talks which have been going on at Mbagathi, Nairobi, until a renewed effort by the regional Inter-Governmental Authority on Development (IGAD) to jump-start it began under the chairmanship of Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni earlier last month. The agreement among others stipulates the mode of electing members of a 275-member Transitional Federal Somali Parliament (TFSP) as well as modalities of adopting a new constitution. Last week's breakthrough was a culmination of a marathon of consultations among the various factions that began in Nairobi on January 9, brokered by Kalonzo. Kalonzo said election to the TFSP as well as those of the Speaker and the President will be through secret ballot. Saying emphasis will be put on traditional leadership models. "As we move to the third and final phase of the Somali Peace Conference, leaders must refrain from any precipitative or hostile, propaganda, animosity and mutual suspicion that could trigger any setback", he warned. The road map to lasting peace in Somalia "must not be held hostage by any single interest or issues or by any individual or groups", he said. "The international community will not stand by and watch these efforts undermined or derailed by any group or leader bent on promoting their selfish and narrow interests", he cautioned.

Originally posted by Hashim: SO, Could MMA investigate the owner of somalinet for instance or Mudulood or ? Hashim I see you're a new nomad. Welcome first, and second walaal we should all take what we read with a pinch of salt. Allpuntland.com ka sokow ee, a lot of Somali newsites are there for propaganda purposes for their respective funders, i.e warlords and individuals who support them. That is why I rarely post news articles in Somali. I just don't trust the validity of the articles, or the level of impartiality taken into it. I'm not telling anybody to do the same, but just my 1/2 cents.

Just say NO!

Seattle PI

Nasir do you want us to clap? :confused: Hip Hip Hooray then.

Sardaukar and Smith, If I'm not mistaken there is a misunderstanding going on. The Farah the first article was about is this man While the "Somaliland" Times one is about Farah Sandiko

Once again we all place Qabiil as the never ending cause of all the mayhem and anarchy that is continually plauging our country, and rightfully so ilmo adeeryaal. But the truth of the matter is the political reality in our homeland is not a political reality, but as well as a cultural and social reality. Our people are immersed with an obsession of their genealogical line of descent. Is anything wrong with loving and being proud of your ancestry? Of course not! But the trouble starts when that pride nears a point of feeling supperior to your Somali peer, and hence the word nasab takes evil root in everyday Somali affairs. For Somalia to become a prosperous and peaceful nation, and for the warlords to loose all support, I believe a cultural revolution must take effect. Only then will we have a true political reality in the eastern peninsula of the Horn of Africa.

By Mohamed Bile MOGADISHU, Jan 29 (Reuters) - Somali gunmen kidnapped a German United Nations worker on Thursday in the south of the anarchic Horn of Africa country, a militia leader said. In brief statement, the world body announced it was trying to secure the release of an abducted international staffer. "A U.N. internationally-recruited staff member was abducted at 11:30 hours this morning, approximately 45 km (30 miles) north of Kismayo in the Lower Juba Region of Somalia," a U.N. statement said. "The U.N. is in communication with the de facto authorities in the region that are taking steps to secure the release of the staff member." The United Nations did not give the staffer's nationality or gender. The military head of the Juba Valley Alliance (JVA) militia, Mohamed Jimale, identified the staffer as Ralph Heinrich, a German working for the U.N. Development Programme (UNDP). Residents in Kismayo area said Heinrich is head of UNDP security in southern Somalia -- in effect the senior United Nations security officer locally, since UNDP administers security services for all U.N. agencies working in Somalia. Jimale said the kidnappers took control of Heinrich's vehicle at a place called Warkoy bridge, near the town of Kismayo, 500 km (300 miles) south of the capital Mogadishu. Three Somali U.N. workers with whom he was driving were freed later a short distance away, he said. "We will send our militia forces to search and seek to free the German and catch those who did this crime," said Jimale, whose JVA controls Kismayo town in the Lower Juba region. A spokesman for the German embassy in the Kenyan capital declined to comment. U.N. staff or consultants are kidnapped periodically in lawless Somalia, often for use as bargaining chips by disgruntled Somali former U.N. workers dismissed by the organisation and seeking some form of compensation. Most hostages are unharmed and released after negotiations mediated by clan elders. Lacking central authority after the overthrow of a military leader in 1991, rival warlords have carved Somalia into a patchwork of fiefdoms, defying 14 peace initiatives in a decade. The U.N. spokeswoman in Nairobi, which hosts the administrative headquarters for U.N. operations in Somalia, said as of July 2003 U.N. agencies had 856 staffers in Somalia, 56 of whom were international. Most kidnappings or attacks on foreigners happen in the more dangerous southern regions of Somalia. However a British couple, Richard and Enid Eyeington, teaching at a school in the breakaway northern enclave of Somaliland were shot dead in October in their residence in the school compound. The shootings followed the murder of an award-winning Italian aid worker, Annalena Tonelli, 60, earlier that month in another part of Somaliland, shattering the enclave's hard-won reputation as a haven for peace in Somalia. The three killings remain unsolved.

I guess Somalis everywhere are held hostage by greedy leaders then, Ayoub and Oodweyne. Egal, Tour, Riyaale, and others were all part of the former administration, so "Landers" too were held hostage then yaah? By their elected leaders noh? Not just the Mogadishu governments as alleged. We Somalis as a whole have a leadership problem Maybe we need to have a Politics 101 class from first grade on up in every school in Somalia

Somali Peace Rally (Galkaio City) PRESS RELEASE January 24, 2004 Posted to the web January 27, 2004 ­After a year and few months of stop-go Somali talks in Kenya, the good intentions of the international community who sponsored these talks seem to be ending up in the wrong foot that they started. Two dozen warlords, who have no respect for good governance and/or accountability, and their sympathizers, were gathered to take Somali out of its current mess. Instead, they hijacked the goodwill of the international community for their own greed and self aggrandizement. The worst civil war in some parts of Somalia erupted before the ink of the so-called "seize-fire agreement" dried up. Unfortunately, still we read IGAD talking about this worthless agreement, signed by two-dozen warlords who most of them have common denominators. Some have continued to commit crimes against their own people, including broad-day-light assassinations. Calling these losers the "leaders committee" has been the misnomer of 2003. These "losers committee" who are mainly in the service of a foreign hand that is apparently against a strong Somalia, made Somalia and the Somalis a laughing stock in the eyes of the world community. This latest cheap ruse of blaming Djbouti in fomenting war between Puntland and Somaliland is obviously a lame excuse to justify the failure of these men on anything more than a goaded handshaking. Djibouti has shown its interest in forming a national government for Somalia but its efforts failed primarily because of Somalia’s enemies, be it "these losers", their godmother and the unfortunate leadership elected at Arte. Somalis will never forget the efforts of Djbouti whatever a power hungry warlords who have no qualms with killing respected traditional leaders. Blaming Djibouti will not drum up support for a war triggered by brigands holding a large swathes of Somalia hostage. Nor will it be an excuse to withdraw from the ill-fated conference in Kenya. Indeed, the blame of any bloodshed lies with the power hungry warlords and their sponsor who have inundated Somalia with weapons and ammunition in breach of the UN’s embargo on Somalia. The recent threat of taking Somali warlords to court because of "slow genocide" (not to mention their violent actions) should be taken seriously. SPR urges all peace loving Somalis and the international community not to expect anything from the losers’ committee, but indeed take them to where they deserve - the UN Court in Arusha.

Miyadan dhiig lehyn THAT IS IT! Dhiig ma heesano. If we did, danteena waan garan lahyn. Trust me, while there are foriegners who care less on what really happens to Somalia are taking the lead role, Somalia will never get justice. That is also true. Dagoolayaasha (warlords) kibir baa lagabadiyay. They destroy, loot, rob, murder, pillage, and eat away every gold second of Somali life, yet as you have seen in this very SOL forum, there are persons/people quick to defend them. We as Somalis will never see peace and justice and prosperity if that continues to go on and if there are individuals who continue to support a living death of our nation.

Somaliland is not perfect (but then whos is?) but compare to those dingies in Nairobia we are by far superior. I very much agree sis. But can you give me a plan that will install peace and will better the Somali name, instead of constant insults.

Ayoub wrote - “In Puntland, Col. Yusuf is both the person and the law” If so, how was it that the people of Puntland revolted against his administration and in fact succeeded in dislodging him? Waxaad qortid, aqri kowdi.

Reflections of the old Egal days of rounding up traditional elders for voicing up their opinions. Let's hope Riyaale doesn't reach the likes of beer-laawe.

Untill then, keep shivering my old son If it makes you sleep better at night, convince yourself whatever you want.

SmithNwestern we have a strategic alliance with Ethiopia shame about your strategy Yet you were so keen to establish yourself as a supporter of the liberation of Somali territories, starting with Somali Galbeed which is stepped upon by Beer-Laawe's savior Meles Zenawi. What is shame is your strategy. and so is the come back of Afweyne's family Ilahay ha kuu naxariisto. Nac nac habar baa loodaayay. Beer-laawe is a lone duck sitting between hungry hounds. Chances are no chances for what you pray to God for everyday No chance of ever going down the southern belt too bro On another note, if Afweyne's family ever had niyad for a political slice, their leaders would not be sitting where they are.

Ow Guuryo! Long Live the Third Republic.

other towns in the lower regions I see after my question you stopped using that city with the capital K.