Waxgarad iyo Nabaddoono ka kala tegaya magaalooyinka Muqdisho, Beledweyne iyo Ceel Buur oo u baxaya sidii ay u kala dhexgeli lahaayeen dhinacyada ku dagaalamaya Galgaduud iyo Mudug Axad, December 05, 2004 (HOL) Waxgarad, Nabaddoonno iyo dad kale oo Samodoono ah oo ku kala sugan magaalooyinka Muqdisho, Beledweyne iyo Ceel Buur ayaa shaaca ka qaaday in ay ku baxayaan colaadda ka oogan deegaano ka tirsan Gobollada Galgaduud iyo Mudug, si loo joojiyo dirirta u dhaxeysa labada beelood ee walaalaha ah. Dadaalka arrintaas loogu jiro ee ku aadan in xiisadda colaadeed la qaboojiyo ayaa ah mid si dar dar leh ku socda, iyadoo laba beelood dadka ka soo jeeda ee ku sugan magaalada Muqdisho loogu baaqay in aysan dirin wax gurmad ah oo dagaalka sii huriya. Iyadoo horay uu magaalada Muqdisho uga socotay abaabul ay wadaan Waxgaradka iyo Nabadoono aad uga xumaaday dagaalka sokeeye ee labadaas beelood u dhaxeeya ayaa hadana waxaa ku soo biiray Odayaal dhaqameedyo, Culumaa’udiin iyo Waxgarad ku sugan magaalooyinka Beledweyne iyo Ceel Buur, kuwaasi oo si iskood ah isu abaabulay, go’aansadayna in ay dagaalka ku baxaan oo ay kala dhexgalaan labada beelood. Dhanka kalena, Golaha Aqoonyahanka Soomaaliyeed ee SIP ayaa qoraal uu ku saxiixnaa Guddoomiyahooda Inj. C/llaahi Axmed Jilacow baaq xoog leh loogu jeediyay beelaha ku diriraya deegaano ka tirsan Mudug iyo Galgaduud, iyagoo ka codsaday beelaha dagaalamaya in ay si dhaqsi ah u joojiyaan colaaddaas, isla markaana ay ku bedelaan wada hadal Walaaltinimo, waxayna xusuusiyeen in dagaalladu ay yihiin kuwo aan faa’iido laga gaareynin aakhiro iyo Adduunba, iyagoo ballanqaaday in ay kaalintooda ka qaadanayaan joojinta Colaaddaas iyo weliba wada hadal dhexmara labada dhinac. Salaad Iidow Xasan (Xiis) Hiiraan Online sxiis@hiiraan.com Mogadishu, Somalia

What in the world are you Nationalist, Gediid, and Jumatatu arguing about? All I have to say is ALL Somali politicians pre-1977 were 100% better and more qualified to lead us then the so-called "leaders" we have today. Abdulahi Isse is a man Somalis will forever be indebted to, a man as noble as Abdirashed Sharmarke will not come by in a long time, and Mohamed Ibrahim Igaal's forwardness is something we could have greatly benefitted from.

What in the world are you Nationalist, Gediid, and Jumatatu arguing about? All I have to say is ALL Somali politicians pre-1977 were 100% better and more qualified to lead us then the so-called "leaders" we have today. Abdulahi Isse is a man Somalis will forever be indebted to, a man as noble as Abdirashed Sharmarke will not come by in a long time, and Mohamed Ibrahim Igaal's forwardness is something we could have greatly benefitted from.

What in the world are you Nationalist, Gediid, and Jumatatu arguing about? All I have to say is ALL Somali politicians pre-1977 were 100% better and more qualified to lead us then the so-called "leaders" we have today. Abdulahi Isse is a man Somalis will forever be indebted to, a man as noble as Abdirashed Sharmarke will not come by in a long time, and Mohamed Ibrahim Igaal's forwardness is something we could have greatly benefitted from.

Originally posted by Nationalist: Sophist good read mate. Horn, what Orgialaq said about the boqor being the highest authority is incorrect. But your clan was certainly part of the isim system that is now taking place in Garowe. Orgilaqe I actually did some reasearch and I have to agree with Nationalist. I don't know about the Puntland families, but the Ugaases of reer Gedo/Mudug don't share authority over their sub-clan with anyone else. When the talks to install the Puntland state were taking place, the Ugaas in Cabudwaq was sent a delegation that urged him to participate in those talks, but he declined saying it wasn't in the interest of his sub-clan. So the authority over the sub-clan rests with them.

We hope to confine the faqqash mentality to where it was born and continues to be bred, its original home of puntland and gedo. ...and somehow you don't think you are breaking some of SOL's biggest laws? :confused:

to add insult to injury it was Siad Barre who signed it away in 1988. Siad Barre for political reasons, vis-a-vis SNM, signed away the Somali Republic 's claim to Region 5, but Siad Bare did not have the authority to sign for the inhabitants of Somali Galbeed themselves and hence that treaty does not cover what those inhabitants can or cannot do or seek and cannot seek. The wishes of the people of Zone 5 coupled with the diplomatic support of an internationally recognized and respected Somali government is enough to do the job. A Somali government that can lobby for international diplomatic pressure to press Addis Ababa to hold referendums concerning the fate of the people and the land in that region will do the trick. We are the age where diplomacy is the most powerful tool in politics. Somalis need to master it.

to add insult to injury it was Siad Barre who signed it away in 1988. Siad Barre for political reasons, vis-a-vis SNM, signed away the Somali Republic 's claim to Region 5, but Siad Bare did not have the authority to sign for the inhabitants of Somali Galbeed themselves and hence that treaty does not cover what those inhabitants can or cannot do or seek and cannot seek. The wishes of the people of Zone 5 coupled with the diplomatic support of an internationally recognized and respected Somali government is enough to do the job. A Somali government that can lobby for international diplomatic pressure to press Addis Ababa to hold referendums concerning the fate of the people and the land in that region will do the trick. We are the age where diplomacy is the most powerful tool in politics. Somalis need to master it.

to add insult to injury it was Siad Barre who signed it away in 1988. Siad Barre for political reasons, vis-a-vis SNM, signed away the Somali Republic 's claim to Region 5, but Siad Bare did not have the authority to sign for the inhabitants of Somali Galbeed themselves and hence that treaty does not cover what those inhabitants can or cannot do or seek and cannot seek. The wishes of the people of Zone 5 coupled with the diplomatic support of an internationally recognized and respected Somali government is enough to do the job. A Somali government that can lobby for international diplomatic pressure to press Addis Ababa to hold referendums concerning the fate of the people and the land in that region will do the trick. We are the age where diplomacy is the most powerful tool in politics. Somalis need to master it.

I'm still shocked that we need 31 ministries! Thats a realist right there

That boy is a pothead..? No Wind Talker, that boy sells the pot Cusman Caato: Somalia's one and only international drug smuggler.

Lander people will take advantage of anyone people that are divided. History has shown that divide and conquer mentality is the easiest and most effective way to colonize nations and as such it has worked tramendously in Somalia. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about... Getting back to this article, if Somalis were united today within the Somali Republic, and the Somali Republic carried weight as in before, would the Habesh even think of touching Somali lands within the Ethiopian state? I dare say not! It is only because of what we are in the Somali Republic that is causing our brothers in region 5 to lose their lands, their dignity, and their sense of ownership over theirselves.

Lander people will take advantage of anyone people that are divided. History has shown that divide and conquer mentality is the easiest and most effective way to colonize nations and as such it has worked tramendously in Somalia. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about... Getting back to this article, if Somalis were united today within the Somali Republic, and the Somali Republic carried weight as in before, would the Habesh even think of touching Somali lands within the Ethiopian state? I dare say not! It is only because of what we are in the Somali Republic that is causing our brothers in region 5 to lose their lands, their dignity, and their sense of ownership over theirselves.

Lander people will take advantage of anyone people that are divided. History has shown that divide and conquer mentality is the easiest and most effective way to colonize nations and as such it has worked tramendously in Somalia. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about... Getting back to this article, if Somalis were united today within the Somali Republic, and the Somali Republic carried weight as in before, would the Habesh even think of touching Somali lands within the Ethiopian state? I dare say not! It is only because of what we are in the Somali Republic that is causing our brothers in region 5 to lose their lands, their dignity, and their sense of ownership over theirselves.

Horn, My knowledge on this matter is not confined to Puntland families but indeed to your kin too. For example I know that the Ugaas in Mudud is Reer Cali Shirwac Ugaas Sharmaake, where as the original one (the chap in Gedo) is reer Ugaas Guuleed, Ugaas Sharmaake both ilmo Ugaas Sharmaake which they are in turn are the sons of Ugaas Diini. Impressive, shall I say Sophist? :cool: Very impressive. Of course as in the Mohamud Saleebaan system, Ugaas Sharmarke was awarded the title as he was the oldest born.

4-Wasaaradda Beeraha Xasan Maxamed Nuur (Shaatigaduud).....Best fertilizer for a banana farm....Human blood 15-Wasaaradda Hawlaha Guud iyo Guryeynta Cusmaan Xasan Cali (Caato).....Weed anyone Gediid man looooooooooooool

Well I know that the clan of Gedo has only two traditional leaders. An Ugaas in Gedo that has higher authority of all the sub-clan in the South and an Ugaas in Cabudwaq that has the highest authority of all the sub-clan in Mudug. Traditionally of the two, the one in Cabudwaq is the higher authority, but of these two at the moment, people listen to the one in Gedo more then Cabudwaq because he is considered more a leader. But, confusion stems from the respect which is given in the manner of first born. Sophist said it correct. In our case, he two ugases are actually brothers, and have been confered upon title, because their ancestor was the first born of Ugaas Diini. I have been told there were attempts to modernize the system, make it more egalitarian, and politicize it, but the majority of the sub-clan adamantly refused alleging it would bring about confusion and disorder and that they were content with the two Ugaases. They all come under the authority of the Boqor of the whole Puntland Tribe including the ones in Gedo,Kismayo.He is the final authority and his decision cannot be questioned. Orgi, I think you are right the Boqor of Qardo was the highest authority of all the issims of Puntland and Gedo etc. Interesting and how did that come about?

^^^it's called "alliance building"... Abdulahi Yusuf obviously picked the people that he thought would matter to him.

Islaan Muhammad Islan Muse Nationalist help me out here. I've never really gotten the point of "Islaan"? Is it a traditional Somali title or one introduced? And doesn't so many traditional leaders bring confusion at critical times as to who to follow? :confused:

I have been giving Abdulahi Yusuf's "administration" the benefit of the doubt, but if what Jumatatu is alleging is true then I would, and I would hope all others would too, drop the support they have given the president-elect. On an another note, from your description Gediid, Buubaa seems like a person I would like to head the government and not a person that should be refused {one of the two most important} ministerial positions simply because the the arch-enemy of your nation and people refuse of him! I would die then let the Habesh control Somali affairs :mad:

Lander, sxb let's not get a head of ourselves. Alot of the topics about "Somaliland" come from Lander's themselves, and most topics posted by non "Somalilanders" are usually ones concerning international recognition and not "Somaliland" or its internal affairs per se. I'm sure you know the unity of the Somali Republic is a matter of concern to ALL Somalis, and certainly you understand the seccessionist ambitions of the northern regions would, naturally warrant more attention...

Originally posted by Gediid: ^^^^^I wonder what you are on Horn.Smith n you agreeing on principles.....LOL Good question ...since you have become quite the detective plz tell me what I'm on

Originally posted by Gediid: Wondering who's doing the schoomozing in here. Ma Smith baa mise waa Horn There's no schmoozing per se It's just two nomads agreeing on one of the most important principles they have in common. That principle being the uphelding of the unity and territorial integrity of the Somali Republic.

It was never gonna happen stright away bro.. I know that Smith, but you must understand people aren't looking at nor do they care very much about Gedi. They are all looking at, guess who? Yes, Abdulahi Yusuf. What he does, will the seal the fate of this government.

Me worried nah Yea right, the propaganda of some certain nomads got to you huh...