Change the title of the thread ina adeer There is no problem in being proud of where you're from, so you don't have to front just so we don't think you're being showoff. Any part of Somalia developing deserves to be shown off and Puntland is not exempt from that. :cool:

Badoa is a Somali city, if its chosen then no one can talk about it. Inda adeega! If it is "chosen", then I think Baidoites have every right to "talk" about it :rolleyes:

"Since the president of the Somaliland administration seems not to be interested in a far-sighted and constructive dialogue, we are ready to continue the dialogue without any preconditions with all people of goodwill among all the political and traditional leaders of Somaliland," Baribari told Reuters. Abdulahi Yusuf was smart in choosing this man as his spokesman. Very articulate and true politician, too bad I can't say the same for "President" Riyaale.

O.k let's stop speaking in symantecs and coded language folks :rolleyes: Lets get the real deal truth about the pro/con stances people have on the foreign troop dilemma. 1. Abdulahi Yusuf is an "outsider" to Muqdisho environs and hence it would be downright foolish of him to go there barging in without adequate safety and security. Bringing in foreign troops might not be such a bad idea provided (1.) Ethiopia is not part of it, (2.) None of the immediate neighbors are involved, and (3.) they are made up largely of Islamic countries. 2. Muuse Suudi and Caato have a sinister ulterior motive for their previous sugary attempts in luring Cabdulahi Yusuf to Muqdisho and now (seeing that he isn't so trusting) are being vocal in their soon-to-be full opposition to the transitional government. 3. Jumatatu and Smith are standing at the same point in opposite polars. Jumatatu does not want the government to succeed solely because of the qabiil orientation of the man heading it and will more then welcome a chance to go back to 1991 standings. Smith believes in the government solely because the man heading it is his uncle and will more then welcome a chance to put Muqdisho inhabitants in, what he believes, is their rightful position. Next time let's not speak in symantecs folks

Waa waray the division concering the peace-keeping force issue is rearing its ugly head! I'm 'fraid that this single issue is what can determine the failure or success of the current transational gov. code: Somali Warlord Threatens African Peace Force MOGADISHU (Reuters) - A warlord urged Somalis on Wednesday to attack foreign peacekeeping troops being sent to support the Somali government when it returns home this month after last year's peace accord for the lawless state. The call by Osman Ali Ato, a government minister, for Somalis to attack troops from historic foe Ethiopia revealed fresh signs of division in the new government under President Abdullahi Yusuf -- elected at the peace talks in Kenya. Diplomats said the remarks by Mogadishu militia baron Ato boded ill for a peace mission agreed this week by the 53-nation African Union (AU), which plans to send troops shortly from five countries including Ethiopia to shore up Yusuf's government. The fledgling Somali government, which has remained in Kenya's relative safety since its formation, plans to go home on Feb. 21, Prime Minister Mohamed Ali Gedi said. Ato, who is housing minister in the government, said in a radio interview broadcast on Tuesday evening and again on Wednesday that Yusuf's new government did not need AU help to stabilize Somalia, which plunged into chaos with the 1991 overthrow of dictator Mohamed Siad Barre. He accused Yusuf of stirring divisions between Somalia and Ethiopia in a plot to further Ethiopia's alleged ambitions to control Somalia, echoing a widespread view of Yusuf and his closest colleagues as northerners manipulated by Addis Ababa. "I urge all Somali people to prepare to fight against our enemies, be they Ethiopians or Somalis," Ato told Radio Shabelle from Kenya, where he and most of his colleagues are still based. "President Abdullahi Yusuf is the first person who wants clashes between Ethiopians and Somalis."..... Reuters

Such a stark contrast to what has been written about his alleged speech!

be a wife and a mother or be educated and have a career?.....is there no middle ground.... [Frown] LOL Dr....A wife can be educated, have a career, and still be a wife. Unfortunately some of our people are a bit close-minded shall we say...Khadija, the first wife of the prophet was a wife and mother yet she was one of the wealthiest Quraish businesswoman of her time :eek: Nothing wrong really, its just that sometimes we have to do what we think is right despite the fact that our Somali people don't accept it just cuz it isn't of their norm :rolleyes:

Alle maxee nin iyo abitigi booto iskaga badiyeen :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

We’re talking about a country that had to deal with civil war for more than a decade. It was always going to be the case that whoever finally managed to be elected president would have huge powers. On the contrary Ngonge, any post-civil war Somali president doesn't have wide political room space or powers, because they would waste endless amount of time and energy not trying to tick off reer Qurac or reer Qansax as to have armed communities against them. I say the Civil War has forever changed the political dynamics of the Somali people forever!

They should have had a referendum in Somaliland and gave the people the chance to decide whom to sue. An official refrendum hasn't been held, but it doesn't matter in this case anyways. The people of "Somaliland" have already decided that the people they wish to go after have to pass certain requirements, i.e. qabiil. Too bad there is no one buying this double standard! Where are men such as "President" Dahir Riyaale Kaahin, Ismacil Cali Abokar, Cumar Arteh Qalib, Jamac Mohamed Qalib, and alot of other "northernors" who were part of Siad Barre's administration not under "target"? Ismacil Cali Abokar was the V. President of the Siad Barre regime during the time the government was rooting out the SNM! I don't see reer Waqooyi tripping over their feet trying to get a go at him! Oh, but wait a second :rolleyes: . To go after them means to alienate some members of the nortern community which might bring about unwanted dis -unity huh? :eek: Lets talk General Cali Samantar for a second. I personally, not giving a fig about his qabiil orientation, admire the man. I respect him because he has a long history of pan-Somalism, starting from his anti-Italian days to independence day when he was the man hanging up the Somali flag to the ****** war where his regiment was one of the most responsible for the crushing defeats given to Addis Ababa before the communist bloc stepped in. He was the Prime Minister during an unfortunate point in history, so does that automatically mean he is responsible? I didn't see anyone clamoring after Bush or Dick Cheney after the Abu Ghraib prison abuse! :eek: With all due respect to the late president Siad Barre, ilaahay ha u naxariisto, the country was run by a dictatorship! If you don't already know, ministers, including chiefly the prime minister, are yes-man who give the real strong man whatever they want to hear. :eek: I ask honestly: a spirit of "reconcialiation" has been implemented in the north and that is chiefly why former NSS spy Riyaale is currently the undisputed monarch of the Hargeisa-Burco-Berbera triangle, doing away with any traditional leaders (Boqor Buurmadow, Boqor Raabi) that stand against him right? Why is that spirit of "reconcialiation" not extended to rest of the Somali people if there is no double standard here and if you are really concerned about finding justice to the memory of those that suffered :confused:

Wind talker: in my opinion if Ali Samater is the same tribe as Said Barre', we can therfore argue that 1+1=3 indeed. Same advise as missy goes; Come with fact not blind leap of defence. Someone spilled the beans..! :eek: Ahh you have just proven to us how this all goes back to qabiil..I wonder who could possibly have indocturnated you in your "facts" concerning the gultiness of the former prime minister :confused: Simply said the old man does not deserve this just cuz you believe his gultiness is due to his (in your assumption) clan relations. :confused: I would have to ask you ma'am..to come with facts next time a not blind leap to mis-information! :cool:

Iran hails UN nuclear 'victory' A top Iranian official has claimed a "great victory" over the US after the UN said it would not punish Iran's nuclear activities with sanctions. Hassan Rohani said Iran would never give up its right to nuclear power. He stressed during talks with European countries Iran's freeze on uranium enrichment was only temporary. The UN atomic agency IAEA welcomed Iran's offer to freeze enrichment in a statement on Monday that did not mention any threat of future sanctions. US President George W Bush has acknowledged Iran's latest move, but says the US wants the enrichment programme terminated, not just suspended. At a press conference in Canada where he is on an official visit, Mr Bush described the freeze as "a positive step, but it is certainly not the final step". Washington has accused Iran of going back on numerous promises over its nuclear activities, and had been pushing for UN sanctions. For his part, Mr Rohani said the "whole world had turned down America's calls". "We have proved that, in an international institution, we are capable of isolating the US. And that is a great victory," said Mr Rohani, who heads Iran's top security body. He added that the US representative at the IAEA meeting in Vienna "was enraged and in tears, and everybody said that the Americans had failed and we had won". It was Iran's first direct comment on the nuclear controversy since the IAEA resolution on Monday. Short negotiations According to Mr Rohani, Iran's offer to suspend uranium enrichment would only apply for the duration of talks with the EU. "We are talking months, not years," the cleric said. Officials from the UK, Germany and France are trying to get Iran to renounce its nuclear fuel enrichment programme for good. BBC correspondent Frances Harrison says Iran is hoping to be able to offer Europe objective guarantees to prove it is not diverting nuclear material for a secret weapons programme. Talks between the Europeans and the Iranians are due to resume on 15 December. Mr Rohani said "the length of negotiations must be rational and not too long". But, he added, the talks were a "historical opportunity for Iran and Europe to prove to the world that unilateralism is condemned". Iran maintains that its nuclear programme is solely for peaceful purposes and rejects accusations that it is working towards technology which could eventually be used for the production of nuclear weapons.

HORN the issue is not about the outcome of a conflict between Egypt and Ethiopia would have on various ethnic groups and the Somali Republic. It's not the issue I know, but a confrontation between Egypt and Ethiopia will have, I believe, positive repercussions concerning the Somali Republic. That would mean a great deal for the regions industrial development. It would mean a great deal for Ethiopia's industrial development, the fruits coming from that being used mercilessly against the future of a unified and strong Somali state. Sxb I understand current political scenes, i.e. the state of the secessionist ambitions of the Northwest and its amicable relations with Habesh, are somewhat making you biased BUT Ethiopia is the enemy.

The only set back in here will be that I have to arrange Visa for Duke, BN & company.. What distinguishes HornAfrique from Duke, BN & company? I say arrange my visa too p.s. What's with the "Ugaas" sxb, cough it up man..what do you know about me?

About to confront him huh? yeah right how can he say that to my 'ugaas' A hint of sarcasm I do detect..care to explain what you ment by that?

But the request angered many in Mogadishu, where the deployment of American and United Nations troops in the 1990s sparked some of the worst fighting of the war. Osman Hassan Ali Atto, a warlord-turned-Cabinet minister, was quoted on local radio Saturday as saying Mogadishu residents would never accept a return of foreign troops. Some Islamic militants have threatened to attack any foreign troops that come here. A point that cannot be overlooked. I, personally, am against bringing any foreign troops in Somalia. I don't believe people will react positively to their bringing, that's if the "donor" countries even have the galls to send soldiers!

Waawaray now I truly feel like we have a government! Somalia here I come :cool:

Jumatatu xaasidkaa tahay cun Why didn't you correct the poster above you Allah Ubaahne first and foremost inadeer I am a red blooded male :cool: Secondly, I ment living side-by-side with our various ethnic neighbors after the Ethiopian state disintegrates and the oppressed ethnic groups gain their own states. The Somali Republic, including Somali Galbeed, living next to a Oromia state, and Afar state

However, in recent years due to the civil conflict in Somalia and the disintegration of the Somali state into chieftains, tribal affiliates and regions, there are many who say the Somali dream as good as it sounded remains a dream. I do not share this pessimism . I also do not share that pessimisn bro.

When the referendum was held in the 60:s almost every somali and the muslim sakuye and borana overwhelmingly said YES to joining somalia. It was because of the British government's betrayal in the NFD that the Somali Republic in the 60's had no ties whatsoever with Great Britain. Caaqil I take it you are a Sijui man?

Smith maxaa ugu waalatay keenista cidamaha shisheeye? You seem to have become obsessed with that for a while.

The Villa Somalia of Siad Barre still stands? I would've thought that of all the buildings in Muqdisho, that's the one that the USC would have shelled to pieces first and foremost.

Unknown to many, the little known Sultan played a major role in stopping Kenyan Somalis’ plan to secede to Somalia Republic shortly after independence in the late 1960s. I find it annoying when news articles do not do complete research in their writing. The stopping of the joinment between the NFD and the Somali Republic was done illegally by the British government on the eve of Kenya's independence! Because of pressure from the inhabitants of the NFD and the Somali government, the British colonial administration agreed to initiate a referendum to the Somalis concerning their future, i.e joining with the Somali Republic or being part of an independent Kenya. The Somalis overwhelming chose to join with their brothers in Somalia, BUT the British government chose not to honor their decision. The British government had invested tremendously in their colony and were very much keen on continuing their heavy involvement in Kenya after it had achieved independence. Jomo Kenyatta and other important figures were deadset against letting the NFD beakaway and as such lobbied heavily for its inclusion into the Kenyan state. The British government of course supported Kenyatta's demand, partly because they want to amend whatever beef they had during the Mau Mau revolt and another because it was completely obvious who would be the first president of an independent Kenya.

However, i think its our national interest to see Ethiopia crash head on with Egypt. You hit the nail on that one Allah-Ubaahne! It's god's gift to us if the Habesh's attention would be focused away from us. I have long held the belief that the "Ethiopian" system was the biggest farce, and that its disintegration would come by within the state itself and not outside influence. The moment is ripe for that disintegration which has so far been greatly helped by the dictator status of the "democractically" chosen Zenawi. I have all the more hope of the Somali Republic living peacefully side-by-side with our various ethnic neighbors.