How does one gain the good will of the people and not their support? I have never uttered that he gained the good will of the people! The good will of the people was compromised due to the current situation, vis-a-vie anarchy and recurring instability. The good will and support of the Somali masses was already guaranteed pre-election day sxb! I would even say that the current transitional president has actually lost, more then gained, any support or good wills.. So his kinsmen won him the 189 votes necessery to be President? Duke I'm afraid you are seriously mocking our intelligence my friend. Since when in all of God-fearing earth was bribery, coercion, unscrupulousness, grafting, etc etc etc a thing to partake in legally :confused: Again our current situation called for it and obviously some where less then noble to take advantage of the situation Also its funny how you attack an elected leader of Somalia while you still support the late despot Afweyne , who was never wanted nor elected by the people. Oh but he was from your clan as is Minister Huuraale Uumka aaqiro afka lalama galo ina adeer. Whether I supported him or not, the former president is dead, ilaahay ha u naxariisto. As for Barre Hiiraale..I wonder what the reason is for even mentioning his name in here other then a hurried and less then crafty way of changing the dynamics of the "exchange"...

c/yussef is the head of state not m/suddi. so c/yussef is a rebel president, he is against himself. War fiidhi, they are REBELS! President, ministers (alla magacyaasha qurux badanaa ) are all leading a REBELLION against the Somali people. Plain and simple. Horn no one cares who you support. Oh Smith you wound me my man You seem to be forgettin that there is atleast ONE person that cares about who I support....that ONE being MOI :cool: It may come as a shock to you but President Yusuf has massive support from within Listen bro, it may come as a shock to you BUT no one supports Cabdulahi Yusuf (save for some of his kinsmen like you). Most folks you see support the bringing back of the state whether it was Muuse Suudi that was heading the government or Caydiid Sr himself. That along gives them the reason to "support" the most corrupt living Somali man on earth. A man who deserved to have been put on a war crimes tribunal a LOOOONG time ago :eek: DON'T ever take the good actions and wishes of the people and mistake it as anything close to an endorsement of Mr. Jaahil numero uno.

Horn sxb, ninka si toos ah iskaga celi...! War kir iyo kut baan ku idhi.. Dagaalka qaboow (Cold War ) oo adi iyo afhayeenka Cabdulahi Yusuf naiga daxeesa ku ma jidhi

^^Eeeeewwwwww thanks God! I am not there. Dammit you scared me for minute. try harder next time Stop kidding Og, I see you in there OG-girl you starting to sound like Horn and Juma Haters Sxb I think you and Juma are in the same league at opposite polars

Hayeeshee waxaad moodaa wixii intaa ka danbeeyey iney dagaaladii soo gabagaboobeen oo gobolada badidooda ay ka idlaadeen dagaaldii ahliga ahaa ee soconayey marka laga reebo Muqdisho,Kismaayo iyo Gedo. Alla qosol badanaa What about the battles and unfinished tension between "Somaliland" and Puntland in Adhi Cadeeye? What about the recent clashes in Hobyo? What about Ethiopia-backed Abdulahi Yusuf's massacre in Qardho and other areas in the northeast? See your problem Duke is you try to bring opinion and present it as fact. Sxb despite what you were trying to proof, the man has nothing new to bring to the table. He is a biased old man furthering interest of which you share.

Horn are you serious about the statement above How can cabinet members be rebels? Thats unheard of and he [PM] showed how dumb these folks are for when the cabinet decides thats it. MP's can rebel but not cabinet members they can resign, but have they? The group[rebel ministers] they are in a monority, they have yet to convince the world they can do anything other than start a small skirmish or throw some mortars and catch some headline. Externally and internally they are marganalised, for AU, Arab league supports this government and wont sponsor a new SRRC/ G8 etc. So again people this decleration, which is good on paper seems to be only for the hard core supporters of our rebel-ministers. And Horn fell for it Amba ilkaha waan kuu kale furi karaa ee i fiiri. It may come as a shock to you but Muuse Suudi iyo Cabdulahi Yusuf makal jecli :eek: It may come as shock to you but Cusmaan Caato iyo Cabdulahi Yusuf ma kala jecli :eek: "Rebel" iyo "ministers" iyo "dhiigyacab presidents" ha iikale saarin. Muuse Suudi supporters are not any different then Abdulahi Yusuf supporters Rebel turned president iyo rebel turned ministers both are REBELS!

Horn what can i say you are neither here nor there. Juma I understand 100% he is defending his position which is simple. He wants his clan to keep their guns and loot and thus feel important. See sxb that's your problem. Qabiil has to dictate whether you suppor/oppose something. You fervently opposed Abdiqasim because he wasn't of your clan, and now you zealously support Abdulahi because he is of your clan. :confused: Your not any bit different then Juma sxb. I would say you're even more qabiil motivated then Juma to be honest.

^^^^ Horn you are one slow individual, how do you compare the SRRC with two rebel ministers [big Grin] [big Grin] [big Grin] Alle yaa qoslay. War midna makala jecli ee i dhagayso SRRC was a name group. It wasn't a unitary organization and I sure as heck didn't see them put a single accomplishment to their name. Besides these same men of the "beelaha USC" were the most important members of the SRRC so hold on to your hourse bro. Like the PM stated a couple of days ago these folks need to learn the art of politics. Does Somali politics even have an art :confused: Geedi asba couple of days ago he was a veteranarian Waxba yuusan dadka aflageedeen. What kind of politician is he? His job is to bring all on board. That requires political finesse; something he is showing he doesn't have. The future of this government rest with him; as for the president, what kind I say :confused: Abdulahi Yusuf is just a career soldier :cool:

beelaha USC Waxaan dee waa mushakilo taal hadii waligeed danta qabiilka laga hormariyo danta qaranka. AND I'm not only blaming reer USC, but it's also for our Dukes and co. This is just a big circle we're going in. It was nearer this time of the last transitional government, that anti-Carta groups came together and named themselves "SRRC". Now this is happening? It's a one big circle I say.

IN THE ABSENCE OF AUTHORITY: Somalia makes modern gains amid regional rift February 21, 2005 BY ALEXANDRA ZAVIS ASSOCIATED PRESS MOGADISHU, Somalia -- In a crowded Internet cafe, women in flowing veils and men in jeans and T-shirts catch up on the news and chat with friends around the world. Across town, a nervous learner takes her turn at the wheel for a drive around an abandoned stadium. Through 14 years of often violent anarchy, life has carried on in gun-riddled Somalia. There may be no effective government, but for those who can afford it, there is electricity at the flick of a switch, wireless Internet access, a university education and even driving lessons. Somalia has been without an effective central authority since clan-based warlords united to oust dictator Mohamed Siad Barre in 1991, then destroyed a U.S.-led military mission trying to relieve rampant famine and pacify the nation with a population of 7 million. A patchwork of heavily armed fiefdoms still clashes periodically. A new government was formed last year after negotiations among warlords, clan elders and civil society leaders. But it has no budget and meets in neighboring Kenya because it considers Somalia too dangerous. Parents, nostalgic for a time when education and health care were free, scrape together what they can to pay teachers. Schools range from informal classes under a tree to a rapidly expanding university in Mogadishu, the capital, that offers degrees in nursing, business management, computer science and other subjects to about 2,000 students. Somali doctors working abroad have returned to practice at several private hospitals. With no government support, all are forced to charge the equivalent of a few U.S. dollars -- the currency of choice. But even that can be prohibitive for Somalis who've lost everything in fighting and drought. "If you don't pay, nobody will see you at the hospital," complained Asha Ali Abdi, lifting her veil to reveal her infant daughter, with the shrunken limbs and ginger-tinged hair that betray severe malnutrition. Abdi fled fighting in the south for a makeshift camp of cardboard and wooden shacks in the northern port city of Bossaso, one of many such camps across the country. Mogadishu's harbor stands idle, and camels graze at the national airport. But business is booming at private airstrips and natural harbors, with gun-toting militia fighters on hand to take their cut. Private companies providing power and running water to a few hundred households each have mushroomed across towns. When Somalia still had a government, Faduma Mayow bought her water off a donkey cart for about $1.50 a barrel. It was expensive, sometimes contaminated and never enough, said the mother of eight. Now Isaf Water and Electricity Supply has installed a faucet in her courtyard from which chlorinated water flows for less than half the price. The chlorine comes from UNICEF, but otherwise Isaf is privately funded. The same company powers lights and electric mixers at the family bakery, at 65 cents per outlet per day. "Before, we used to mix everything by hand," said Mayow's husband, Abdallah Kasim Mohamed. "So now that we have mixers, we are making big business." Isaf installs the cables and pipes as well as street lighting using neon strips wired to old lampposts. Somalia's telecommunications are among Africa's best. With three companies competing, a land line can be installed in 24 hours. Local calls are free with the $10 monthly rental fee and international calls cost 50 cents a minute. Cell phones are widely available, though Somalis are cautious about chatting in public lest a gunman help himself to the phone. For 18-year-old Omar Ali, an Internet cafe is a cheap way to stay in touch with friends abroad. "I come here every chance I get," he said, typing quickly so he can get home before night falls and the streets get dangerous. There is no garbage collection, but plenty of laborers are available to bury waste for a small fee. The movie theater's roof was blown off years ago. But every night, plastic chairs are lined up in front of TV sets at cafes, which call themselves bars even though alcohol isn't sold in overwhelmingly Muslim Somalia. Outside the national stadium, out-of-work car owners run a driving school. They pay a militia for protection and let adults and children drive for about a dollar a turn. "Right now, we don't have particular rules," said Farhaan Mohamed, a former bus driver waiting for clients in his dented white sedan. "As long as you can make the tires turn, you can go." Detroit Free Press

War seef la boodkaa sheegaysid ma aqiin ee halkaa iga mar. I see him repeat something along those lines everytime he makes a speech as if to get respect from being the first to pick up the gun that started all this bloodshed :eek: Runta hadaad raadinaysid, dadna wee ku qoslaan, dadna wee la yaabaan. Ilaahay baa un meeshaan na keenay, ilaahay baa naga qaadi doono.

waxaan ka mid ahay dadkii bilaabay xabadda Soomaaliya cuntay Wax lagu faano miyaa waxaas? Walaahi dadka dabeecada wee u kala dasheen. Waa run wuu bilaabay, waxuuna ku bilaabay dhiiga adeeray oo dagaan Balanbale.. :mad:

What a development I say! I don't see why people should be surprised though. It's no wonder that there is a tremendous hunger on the citizens side concerning a working viable government. If the president hadn't been shown that before, now he sees. Now it is his turn to stop this transitional government from ending up in the same way the last 14 had.

Horta, thanks for all the info. I knew some, some was new to me - such as the quote above. So, Reer Guriceel only have have a 'small contingent of scouts' in Kismaayo? Despite self-assuring propaganda coming from various corners, the only reer Guri-Ceel in Kismayo are the ones their Ugaas originally sent to help Barre Hiiraale and Co to get through the lands they had to travel through which was controlled by Muqdisho-affialiated clans.

Then, time passed, and he called upon their assistance to capture Kismaayo? The unpredictability of Somali politics, I suppose. Well the original agreement in 1994 signed by the Ugaases of reer Guri-Ceel (who just passed away ilaahay ha u naxariisto) and reer Cabudwaq (he was assasinated ilaahay ha u naxariisto) spelled that in no circumstances where they (the two beels) to fight each other. It said that they should also support each other in times of need. I'll tell you how support was given in the Kismayo case. In 1998 Gen Morgan expelled all those of Gedo/Cabudwaq descent from Kismayo. He forgot, due to the long era of stability, that reer Gedo/Cabudwaq played a large part in his ascension to power in Jubba politics. Col Barre decided to come down from Galgadud and see what he could do about the situation. The reason that reer Cabudwaq decided to come down was because ever since Gedo was secured, there wasn't a need for heavy military installations there. In the beginning of the civil war Gen Gaani and Col Hiiraale had taken the majority of military installations to Galgadud thinking that that was where the USC would hit them hard. After the reer Guri-Ceel and reer Cabudwaq signed a peace agreement, majority of the "community"'s military officers and military equaipment sat unused in Cabudwaq. Which brings me back to my point. Gen Morgan inhumanely expelled certain folks from Kismayo and Barre Hiiraale decided that he would something about it. The Col with his entourage geared to go south, but the land they had to travel through, starting from Cabudwaq to Shabeelaha Hoose, was controlled by Muqdisho-affiliated clans. They couldn't risk a confrontation with those clans so as to not waste energy and resources in a conflict they weren't pursuing. The Ugaas of Guri-Ceel decided to send a small contingent of scouts with Barre Hiirale so as to guide him through those lands. Barre Hiiraale and his soldiers safely made their way from Cabudwaq to Kismayo and he was able to defeat Gen Morgan. After taking control of Kismayo, Hiiraale invited the men who had escorted him to stay in Kismayo if they wished, to rescind the hospitality they showed. Then the Carta-Abdiqasim government came and Barre Hiiraale, and his "constituency" who were already suporting the interim government, decided to make a pact with the men who travelled with him (of who the higest ranking was Yusuf Mire Seeraar) and a military grouping to soldify support for the president. That's why a "JVA" grouping was set up and Col Hiiraale named Commander and Seerar was named second in command. That's the story of that part of the civil war history.

C'mon Macalimu..you have to be even a little optimistic...?

Hence, there is Gedo dialect, Kismayo dialect, Merka dialect, Mogadisho dialect and so on. But they all are under the umbrella of Southern accent. Waad isku xaartay sxb Secondly Gedo "dialect" is much more closer to Waqooyi "dialect" then it is to Mudug "dialect". Trust me, I know I mean it that the whole southern accent, starting from South Mudug You do know that you distinguish a reer Mudug by their tongue right?..so how is N. Mudug different then S. Mudug in that aspect? Yet again my friend another tribally induced thinking Anagu hadaan reer Mudug nahay, waan isnaqaan sxb, waxaadana wax socdo maa'han. I'm assuming that since you're from Sanaag that you have a Waqooyi accent right? I can say that because it is common knowledge that reer Waqooyi (Sool/Sanaag and west) share the same tongue, however you my friend needs to get caught up on the other "diverse" part of Somalia.

Horn C'mon as if you are so sure that the south have one accent. No only one but there many different accents spoken in the south which Cadde speaks one, don't you know that?? It was a rhetorical question sxb. But anyways my point was exactly yours; what in the world is a "southern" accent God knows how many "accents" are spoken in the south. :cool:

And how does "Southern" accent sound like ..Ignorance is a bliss :cool:

^^Doqonu wax kasto wuu ku qoslaa Just kidding man. As for Gediid, stop being an apologist and gave the man his credit and salute him, at that time it was the biggest accomplishment as Baashi said.. :cool: Hadeer wax kula maa'han, laakin waagaas it was a goliath of task.

Ilaahay ha u naxariisto marxuumka. Ilaahay janatul Firdowsa haku bishaareeyo. Samir iyo iimaan eheladiisa, asxaabtiisa, iyo dhamaan dadka uu yiqiin.

All you need is government willing to introduce it and claim it as an achievement and young Horn defend it 30 years later.... Now we are on the defensive huh? As for Juma, sxb ninka jawaab ku siiyo baaba kaaga daran Lagu baray, lagu yaqiin

all I'm saying is that this was already in use but among a small minority Sxb any language can be written in the latin script. What Shire Jaamac did was condition it for our language. Xaruufto aan ku qorno waa ninkii daabacay. He took a common international script (latin), dib-habeyn buu ku samayay and the effect was a unique script suitable for a language (Somali) not any way or form similar to the Indo-European languages.

If Shire Jamac was the pioneer don't you think he should have been the 1st person to write Somali in latin? Who said he wasn't? Gediid you are right about the committee, but sxb that committee wasn't put up in 1972 under Siad Barre. That committee (yes head by Muuse Galaal) was already set up in the early sixties, however, because of the corruption of those days it didn't do much. There was alot of scripts that were involved such as the Cusmaaniya, farta Gudabiirsi, Kadare, Arabic, and the latin script that Shire Jaamac had already remodeled for the Somali language. In 1964 Shire Jamac wrote the first Somali book in the latin script called "Iftiinka - Aqoonta". The politicians, youths, and even Muuse Galaal (who had supported the Arabic script until then) were taken back by a script they hadn't considered before. From then on they gave the Latin script of Shire Jamac unofficial support, but couldn't support it in public because they would loose influence with the Wadaads who just out with a new slogan (Laatiin waa la' diin). Muuse Galaal, besides being the first Somali professionally trained in phonetics, was a protege and a good friend with the famous B. W. Andrzejewski. He was naturally the right person to head the Somali Language Committe. However, Shire Jaamac was a scholar and travelor who had been all over the world. He knew the practicality of the Latin script and set out to proof it. it was because of that his script was chosen. 5- Muuse Xaaji Ismaaiil Galaal oo xilligaas ahaa ninka ugu cod-dheer ragga u dooda xuruufta laatiinka qudhiisu waa la magacaabey, laakiin xanuun hayey dhowr bilood awgiis baa wuxuu dhaawacay firfircoonidiisii iyo niyadii wanaagsaneyd ee uu howsha u haayey. 6- Shire Jaamac Axmad oo ahaa ninka fartiisa laatiinka ah la doortey sanadihii 1961-kii iyo 1966-kii, isagu kuma uusan jirin guddiga markii hore, mardambe buuse ku soo biiri doonaa. Source Kedib markii uu guddigu dersaad ku sameeyey far kasta wax ay ku fiican tahay iyo waxa ay ku liidato, guddigu waxay soo jeediyeen in farta Shire Jaamac ee “Laatiinka†ee dib-u-habbeynta lagu sameeyey inay tahay “tan ugu wanaagsan†iyo Kaddariya oo noqotey “tan labaad ee ugu wanaagsanâ€. Inta aan go'aanka la gaadhin waxaa guddigii iska casilay oo ka baxay Ibraahim Xaashi Maxamuud iyo Maxamuud Jaamac Afballax, sababtoo ah ma aysan taageersaneyn in af Soomaaliga farta Laatiinka lagu qoro. Waxaa booskoodii lagu beddelay rag kale Source The act that made the latin script ours. Kedib markii ay la tashi la sameyeen khubaraadii luuqada, waxay Golihii Sare iyo Golihii Xoghayeyaashu ( ama Wasiiradu) go'aan ku gaadheen in farta Laatiinka ee Shire Jaamac loo qaato farta rasmiga ah ee af Soomaaliga lagu qori doono, laakiin wax yar oo isbeddel ah ayaa lagu sameeyey nidaamka erayada loo kala qeybineyo. Sannad guuradii saddexaad ee Kacaanka oo ku beegneyd 21 Oktoobar, 1972 dii ayuu Madaxweynihii Golaha Sare ee Kacaanka Maxamed Siyaad Barre ku dhawaaqey go'aanka ah in farta Laatiinka loo isticmaali doono qoraalka far Soomaaliga. Source

Waraa Juma, Ngonge baa ka hariwaysay miyaa? Leave the man alone for godnessake