Tolstoy, pray what is the matter with you friend? Has our Wind_Talker so gotten the better of you, that you now resort to character assasination? It doesn't become of you to foam at the mouth simply because our Wind_Talker has irked you so with his... honesty and realistic approach to issues and of especially the one that holds dear to you, i.e the northern seccessionism seeking part of Somalia or better known as " Somaliland" WIND_TALKER- Tolstoy is one of those rare individuals that you have to approach with finnesse; getting to the point is simply not his style. Continue friend, Tolstoy will come to accept your brutal honesty with time :cool:

WIND- Thanks for responding to him sxb, and Caamir I'll have you know we were talking for those displaced persons themselves.

Neemo waht's with the attitude? The girl was merely giving due criticism

Wind_Talker you're getting lost in assumptions bro, iska daa waxaas. Whether or not the ranks of the Somali army were filled with USC loyalists doesn't really matter. You have just managed to dismiss the key to the whole puzzle! Let me put a clear scenerio for you here: Lets say that there is a military base and the ratio of officiers to soldiers is 2:25. If those soldiers as whole mutinied before they themselves divided up ( ), then where do those officers stand? That's exactly what I'm talking about! When you find the answer to that question (you shan't take long, it really isn't hard) then you know exactly how most of the weapons ended up in USC hands and why emmigres from Gedo/Galgadud had to flee.

Another trip eh? Sadly the transitional government has become an exact replica of the Carta government, except without the same glitz and glamour that accompanied Abdiqasims'tenure.

DUKE- You mustn't got lost in it if you don't wish; I was merely answering the question asked by my brother Wind_Talker. JAAJUS- Your use of the acronym "SSDF" isn't very clear sxb. When I hear the word SSDF, I think of the armed anti-Siad Barre grouping that was disbanded in the early eighties. Despite what you believed, when I said "northeasternors", I didn't have that organization in mind, although some of those "northeasternors" were certainly former members of the SSDF.

Never mind Duke, you've become quite redundant as of late. Anaabo si caadi kuu lahadlay. :cool: HOW in the world did a MAJORITY of Somalia's military arsenal end up in the hands of the USC - and end up being used against the very people who built it and Barre empowered to protect it? You cannot be serious Wind :confused: Due to a, somewhat, conflicted scenerio that crossed your mind, you attribute your theory as foolproof and sound in legitimacy? I will try to answer your question, and I do pray, through simple logic, that that thought never crosses your mind again. At the end I will give you a question to answer. I concur that at the end of the regime's reign, the highest posts of the armed forces apparatus were, primarily, composed of elements from the president's sub-clan; that is something I will not dispute. However, the overwhelming majority of the elements composed of the armed forces itself were not of the president's sub-clan, and especially at the end of the regime's reign were composed of clans affiliated with the USC. It would be interesting to know that, also, most if not all of the military bases and storage facilities were contained in and around the region of Banaadir. I trust you know whose ancestral land Benaadir is, and hence had a more then easy task of wresting the defense armaments from the government's control. I gather you now know how the USC obtained so much weapons, but what I believe you don't know, or don't seem to want to admit is that Northeasternors had a more then a heavy hand in the USC acquiring so much "hub". Ever since the fire-squad shootings of the Sheikhs that spoke out against Siad Barre's inheritence law policy, to the very night of the regime's overthrow, the sub-clan of Siad Barre were sidelined from all corners. The populist slogan "Yaa Muslim ah iyo yaa Mare-han ah" that came into being during the assasination of the Sheikhs was still being screamed in the early parts of the civil war before the USC decided to go against all those of the whole clan-family and not just of the Gedo/Galgadud sub-clan, much to detriment of our northeastern relations. If you get my drift, I am also alleging that the very people you hail from were also very much important in the "high-jack" of the national military facilities and all things contained in them, though had they known it wasn't only an objective that concerned Gedo/Galgadud, I do believe they wouldn't have done it. My question at last: How in this world can you think that Siad Barre, or anybody, else will just give up like that everything they've known for almost a quarter century?

Colaad Dheer baa idin ku jirto hadaa hada keenteen inaad ku faraxdaan dad la laayay. BUT anyways.. Baardheere( Sh.M.Network) Wasiir K/xigeenka Garsoorka DFKMG ee Soomaaliya Yuusuf Kaanti ayaa waxa uu sheegay in ciidamada haatan heysta degmada Ceelwaaq ay yihiin ciidamo Oromo ah oo ka soo duulay gudaha Itoobiya, iyadoo dagaalkii ka dhacay Ceelwaaq la xaqiijiyay kumanaan Qoys in ay degaanadoodii ka barakaceen . Wali waxaa kacsan xaaladda amaanka ee degmada Ceelwaaq iyo agagaarkeeda ka dib markii subaxnimadii sabtidii la soo dhaafay dagaal xoogan halkaasi uu ku dhex maray labo maleeshiyo beeleed oo ka wada tirsan degaanka, kuwaasi oo in mudo ah u dhaxeysay xiisad colaadeed iyo qilaaf dabo dheeraaday. dhibaatadii ugu weyneyd ee uu sababay dagaalkii ka dhacay degmada Ceelwaaq ayaa waxaa la sheegay barakac ku yimid qoysaskii ku noolaa degmadaasi oo gaaraya ku dhawaad 15 kun oo qoys sida ay shabelle u xaqiijiyeen qaar ka mid ah hay'adaha samafalka ee ka howlgala degaankaasi, kuwaasi oo haatan la shegayo in ay ku sugan yihiin xaalad bani aadnimo tii ugu darnyed. ilaa iyo haatan ma jiraan waan waan nabadeed oo lagu qaboojinayo xiisadaha colaadeed ee ka jira degaankaasi, waxaana marba marka ka dambeysa sii xoogeysanaya abaabulka ciidan ee labada dhinac. Xubno ka tirsan labada gole ee DFKMG oo maalinimadii doraad soo gaaray degmada B/xaawo ayaa waxaa la sheegay degaanka in ay ka wadaan kulamo looga hadlayo dhibaatooyinka ka taagan degmada Ceelwaaq, iyadoo kulankii ugu dambeeyey ay maalinimadii shalay la qaateen odayaasha, maamulka, ganacsatada, saraakiisha iyo qeybaha kala duwan ee bulshada ku dhaqan degmada B/xaawo. Col. Yuusuf Maxamed C/qaadir (Yuusuf Kaanti) oo ah wasiir K/xigeenka Garsoorka oo ka hadlay kulankaasi ayaa ku eedeeyay maleeshiyada hadda ku sugan degmada Ceelwaaq in ay yihiin maleeshiyo Oromo ah oo ka soo Duushay Moyaale Itoobiya, loona baahan yahay in degaanka laga qabto.

Sky.Africa or as you now call yourself "Black.Hawk", I tend to think the people who are responsible for trying to throw the forum into the dumbster are coincidentally not Qudhac or Wind_Talker and especially Ms Word. I'll give you one guess as to who those folks are Disturbing though: towards the end, it was the Big Man's(Siyad Barre alaha u naxaristo) own family members who sold the keys to the armory to the USC and caused the collapse of the Somali nation. Wind_Talker it would be helpful if you could just elaborate more on this statement.. Great entertainment as ever overstepping the fallacy of the Oromo logistic, moral or financial support we find that the conflict in CeelWaaq is exclusively between two Somali clans who live side by side it has nothing to do with Saud authority or with the supposed Oromo invasion of Somali territory . And pray how did you come to that conclusion Duke? I don't know about you, but I'm relaying what was told my person from the front lines from more then one source; how did you come to yours? And please do be all the more clearer.. is this the case of wishful thinking or certain desire to really belief yourself in the hopes of patching up a bruised ego...?

Ali Baba dhibaa meesha durba ka bilawday miyaa? Sadeboi was banned once, now you're aiming for Somali_Patriot to be banned also? It must be a sick joke that Somali clans are now called Oromo.. Duke what Somali clans are being mistaken for Oromo? Despite what you think it's not Garre. Family members that were called in BeledXaawo are backing up Cabdulkhaadir Kaanti's report. It seems the Garres attacked after gaining Oromo and Booran logistical and military help in their camps.

Guddoomiyaha Xisbiga UCID oo laga hor istaagay in uu fagaare ku yaala Magaalada Berbera kula hadlo taageerayaashiisa Arbaco, April 13, 2005(HOL)@19:00GMT: Wararka naga soo gaaraya magaalada Hargeysa ayaa sheegaya in guddoomiyaha Xisbiga Mucaaridka ah ee UCID Md. Feysal Cali Waraabe laga hor istaagay in uu fagaare ku yaala magaalada Berbera kula hadlo taageerayaashiisa. Guddoomiyaha ayay xayiraaddaas dul dhigeen mas’uuliyiinta maamulka Somaliland ee magaaladaas, iyadoo laga hortegayo in uu afkaartiisa ka soo horjeedda Xukuumadda Somaliland uu dadka u sheego. Markaasi kadib ayaa la soo weriyay in uu Md. Feysal Cali Waraabe uu taageerayaashiisa kula hadlay Xarunta uu Xisbigiisa ku leeyahay magaalada Berbera, isagoo weliba si kulul ugu dhaleeceeyay Xukuumadda uu hoggaaminayo Madaxweyne Riyaale in ay dadka caburineyso, wuxuuna tusaale u soo qaatay wariyayaal dhowaan lagu xiray magaalada Hargeysa iyo weliba baaritaankii sharci darrada ahaa ee lagu sameeyay Xarunta Xisbiga KULMIYE, iyadoo lagu eedeynayay in ay Xarubta Xisbiga ka hadasho Idaacad gudbisa afkaaro ka dhan ah kuwa Dowladda. Md. Feysal Cali Waraabe waxaa kale oo uu sheegay in ay habacsanaan la soo deristay Xukuumadda Somaliland, isagoo si gaar ahna farta ugu ishaaray in Madaxweyne Riyaale uu ku hungoobay wax u qabashada dadkii doortay. Guddoomiyaha Xibsiga UCID Md. Feysal Cali Waraabe oo dhowaan BBC-da Laanteeda Afka Soomaaliga u waramayay ayaa sheegay in ay fashilantay Xukuumadda uu hoggaaminayo Md. Daahir Riyaale kadib markii ay dhegaha ka fureysatay cid kasta oo talo siin lahayd haddii ay ahaan lahaayeen Axzaabta Mucaaridka ah iyo cid kaleba. Si kastaba arrintu ha ahaatee hadalladan dhaleeceynta ah ee ka soo yeeraya Md. Feysal Cali Waraabe ayaa la sheegayaa in ay qeyb ka yihiin u diyaargarowga Xisbigiisa ee doorashada Somaliland ee soo socota, isagoo dhowaana socdaallo ku soo kala bixiyay deegaano ka tirsan gobollada Sool iyo Sanaag. Salaad Iidow Xasan (Xiis) Hiiraan Online sxiis@hiiraan.com Mogadishu, Somali

Finally a poem of yours not about love . It's about time I say. Good read :cool:

And Finally, I wonder, what history will say or record on behalf of such men, namely the likes of Gen. Masaleh, who was a quite senior officer of a General-rank in the then Somali National Army(SNA) during the heydays of Gen. Siad Barre's rule of the then Somali Republic; who of course, could not be accused of sheer ignorance of history as well the political situations that did transpired between Somalia and Ethiopia. Gen Cumar Xaaji Massaleh has already paid dearly for the impulsive act he took to drive Al-Itihaad from Gedo. Cumar Xaaji does not have the face to sit down with his kinsmen as of the present. He is a sort of a pariah, and travels around seeking acceptence, though most of the time he draws violent reactions from his kinsmen. Just recently, before he left for the English Isle, it was told to me that a political meeting of sort was disbanded in Columbus, Ohio, because of the reaction his very presence brought to the venue. Lately it is said that he is enroute back to where it all started, Gedo itself, to close the pandora's box he unwittingly had the displeasure of opening. Let me tell you also that Gen Massaleh is still admired and loved by half of Gedonians still to this day. My own immediate family is divided equally in the support/oppostion to him, which should give you a clear picture of what memory he will leave in history! It is the case of beauty is in the eye of the beholder, or to each his own views. But, my question is, why in the world, that Col. Hiiraale and the others in JVA, are watching this little stooge of a warlord, by the name of Mr. Sayid, and allowing his insidious agenda - or more appropriately the Ethiopian's agenda - that he is furthering in Gedo to continue unabated. Tolstoy, I was not aware that Mohamud Sayid Aden holds nefarious designs toward Gedo. I have no doubt that Mr. Sayid loves Gedo as much as any other and wants the best for his region, and maybe even more then our favorite warlord at times, Mr. Hiiraale! Though I dearly oppose the division he has brought, I clearly understand his position. In all honesty, Mohamud Sayid Aden is one of the few stooges of Ethiopia, that I have noticed, that uses Ethiopia much more then they use him. He is a very young man, though I do believe he deals with the Tigray regime in manner befitting a fox outbesting a hen! He seems to be very clever for a man so young. The only other politician nearer his age is Hussein Caydiid, who I believe is a bit older then ina Sayid, but much less intelligent or clever. The problem with Gedo is an internal matter concerning two different segments of the same sub-clan coming from different parts of the Somali peninsula with two very distinct ways in living life. It is a matter concerning pre-1991 inhabitants of Gedo coming to terms with post-1991 inhabitants of Gedo. It is the case of a family seperated for a hundred years or so learning to live together again in one house It takes time to adjust, no? Just give it time, things will work itself out. Would it be too difficult a task of organising some sort of General Conference for the Whole of the SNF clan-family in somewhere of the Juba area(perhaps in Kismayo), and then proceeding to settle and heal the "Sub-Clannish Cleavages" that necessitated the divisions of SNF into Col. Biixi's SNF camp and Mr. Sayid's SNF/SSRC camp. For, if they were to do that, then I believe, the Gedo issues, and the ever presence of the Ethiopian's hand within the internal politics of that region, would end in no time. Unfortunately, while the SNF subclan-family is proficient in the art of warfare, matters pertaining to peace alludes them. Though success is emminent in the present, I'm afraid they are in dire need of guidance in that arena. Just like you, I do believe Ethiopia's hand within the internal affairs of Somalia as a whole would take a great blow, not just end its influence in that strategic region, were a complete cessation of hostilities implemented. XIIN-FANIIN It was interesting to read your piece.

Ilaahay ha kala joojiyo. Jumatatu I'm curious; what is the case then?

Ethiopia’s betrayal and hidden agendas towards Somalia -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By: Dr. Abdi Aden Mohamed Edited by HAN (Horn Africa NewsLine)January 31, 2002 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ethiopia’s betrayal and hidden agendas towards Somalia : In early 1992, Meles Zenawi and his Tigray Peoples Liberation Front (TPLF) came up with the idea of paying back Somalia. The TPLF government noted that Somalia provided to it millions of dollars during its long struggle against the regime of Mingistu Hailemarium and openly admitted that for over fifteen years it used to purchase arms in the official documents of Somalia’s defence ministry. It continued to say that most of its Executive committee members, including Meles have been provided with Somali Diplomatic passports that they used to travel a round the World as well as with special luxurious villas in Mogadishu and Meles used to stay in a villa just behind Towfiiq Hotel. Because of all the above cited, TPLF said that its intended to pay back Somalia by helping them to reconcile and thus create a government of national unity in Somalia, however, later on it become clear that such intentions weren’t true at all. As the deputy minister of health of Ethiopia, I led a nine member Ethiopian delegation and participated in the first International meeting on Peace, and Rehabilitation of Somalia that has been organized by the United Nations in October 1992, in Geneva, Switzerland. Our main mission was to lobby for the continuation of successive meetings on Somalia to be held in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia. Most of the countries that were represented in the conference voted in favour of our proposal on the second day of the meeting and that was a big achievement for Meles and his Foreign minister, both of whom warmly congratulated us on the successful mission while we were still in Geneva. The first Meeting on Peace, Reconciliation and Rehabilitation of Somalia was organized by the UN in Addis Ababa on January 03-05, 1993. Besides the UN and Ethiopia, delegations from the Western nations, Africa, Arab countries and others participated actively in the first three meetings that were held in Addis Ababa in 1993 and I was the Deputy-Chief Delegate of the Ethiopian delegation to those meetings. The leaders of Somalia’s warring factions met face to face for the first time but nothing tangible come out of that first meeting. Several member of our delegation met with the warlords and their delegations at the Ghion hotel before they left and told them to include in their next delegations representatives of their communities, like elders, women’s groups, doctors and other with the intentions that the Somalis might interact more among themselves and the next meeting might be more productive, however, the foreign Minister was upset by our move and ordered us not to take further actions in the future without his consent and knowledge. The second meeting was on 11-13 March 1993 and it started in more optimistic atmosphere since the warlords were shaking hands without our interventions and more than one thousand Somalis participated. However, I noticed policy changes in the Ethiopian Foreign Ministry, which started to favour some of the warlords. The Ethiopian delegation was instructed for the first time to keep in mind Ethiopia’s interests as a priority during these meetings and the whole attitudes of the Ethiopian government changed to the opposite of its originally declared policies. Again, the foreign minister through the instructions of Meles informed our delegation that some of the warlords were hostile to Ethiopia while others were friendlier and hence the latter should be put in power in Somalia. At the same time the foreign ministry started to provide secretly large amounts of money to the pro-Ethiopian warlords so that they will not sign to the agreements at all unless it was in our interests and later on, the Minister of defence was order similarly to supply arms to the friendlier warlords. It was of utmost importance in keeping these manoeuvres secretly from the other Somali warlords, the UN and other international delegates, particularly those from the Western Nations and their Embassies in Addis Ababa. At this point in time, I complained to Meles about our policy changes, but he told me that we will support the pro-Ethiopia warlords. Now, I came to realize the motives of why Ethiopia wanted in the first place the meetings to be held in Addis Ababa, which were to road block in the reconciliation of the warring factions and thus prevent the creation of a national government of unity in Somalia. The meeting in March ended with the Somali warring factions more divided than ever and the delegates headed home once more empty handed. Within a month the pro-Ethiopian warlords were invited back to Addis Ababa and as guests of the foreign ministry stayed in lavish hotels with all services available and more secret meetings were planned. I wasn’t invited to these secret meetings, but was still able to get information through some of the members of our delegation who weren’t TPLF. The 3rd meeting was held in Addis Ababa on November 29-December 03, 1993. Meles refused my request to be excluded from the Ethiopian delegation saying that such a move will cause suspicions to the Somali factions. They knew my stand and excluded me from the briefings of our delegation with Meles as they continued to plan for the failure of the meeting. Again, the third meeting concluded in absolute chaos and with the Somali warring factions much further and further apart than they were in their first meeting of January 1993, but for the Ethiopian regime it ended with success in accordance to its hidden plans towards the peace process, reconciliation and rehabilitation of Somalia. Also it should be absolutely and without any doubt understood that Ethiopia wasn’t or isn’t opposing only to the creation of a national government in Somalia but does so against any Somali region that was or is peaceful and stable in line with its policy of divide and rule the Somalis and Somalia. To that effect, towards the end of 1993, The Ethiopian regime become anxious about the peace, stability and unity of the Somalis in the self-declared republic of Somaliland and thus started planning for possible actions in order to alleviate its concerns. The Ethiopian government invited a group of politicians from some of the clans in Somaliland to Addis Ababa and successfully kept this event as secretly as possible. Abdulmajid Hussein Bare, who was the external economic cooperation minister of Ethiopia was appointed to be fully responsible for that secret operation, where he prepared all the necessary arrangements. For over a month the group met secretly at his residence and several times with Meles and his foreign minister at their residences and finally, the group unilaterally declared that they were against the succession of Somaliland and joined the warring factions in Mogadishu. It must be noted and clearly understand that at this point in time, Ethiopia wasn’t advocating at all for the unity of Somalia, but was rather concerned with the peace, unity and stability of Somaliland and was simply trying to weaken it. Those manoeuvres have led to the outbreak of the terrible civil war in Somaliland during 1994-1995, and the group hasn’t been allowed to return home since than and are an opposition to it. Again, look at what Ethiopia is currently doing to the Somalis in Puntland, a region that has been successfully peaceful and stable for the last decade! The foreign ministry used to provide secretly money to the pro-Ethiopian Somali warlords mostly just the night before the reconciliation agreement signing day in Addis Ababa, and I am convinced that had the meetings were held in any other East African country or elsewhere in the World, Somalis would have reconciled and a viable central government could have been established during 1993-1994. Ethiopia has tried since early 1993 until today with its power, influences and efforts to prevent the formation of a national government of unity in Somalia. The Ethiopian Empire has been held together by force for centuries and now most of the nations and nationalities are opting for their right for self-determination and is not capable of conquering Somalia, but might use some warlords to occupy their regions on behalf of Ethiopia and thereby create mini-Somalia regions under it’s indirect rule!! Meles is not concerned with the development of poverty ridden Ethiopia, but does so in staying power in line with his long believes in Marxist-Leninism ideology. I remember the night when Meles invited the late General Mohamed Farah Aidid at his residence in December, 1993. Upon our arrival, he greeted Aidid warmly and said with raised voice: “Aidid you are the Hero of Africa!†and congratulated him for fighting against the Americans in that terrible day of October the 3rd, 1993 in Mogadishu. Clearly, he was happy of that human tragedy, asked about the fighting and later on said: “Americans deserve what has happened to them and Africa needs more sons like youâ€. But now, he is showing one of his other faces as being pro-American. The fact is that he is a man of many words! Look at his friendly way of paying back the failed nation, Somalia? Who on earth is going to trust him? he can deceive some people sometimes but he can’t deceive all the people all the times!!! Meles officially opened the first Somali meeting in Addis Ababa on January 03, 1993 and said repeatedly in his speech: “My Somali brothers and sisters, Ethiopia has no hidden agendas towards Somalia by hosting these meetings in Addis Ababa and we are willing to help you at any costâ€. This was a dishonesty statement but the Somalis in the meeting honestly believed him and clapped their hands with joy and happiness and many of them instantly said: “May be he is a Somali, he is more of a Somali than us!!!†This man is a hypocrite and that is clearly shown by his destructive intentions towards Somalia, a nation that has practically brought him to power. Some confused Somalis might argue that Ethiopia has allowed the Somalis to live and stay in Ethiopia following the civil war in Somalia, but the Somalis were bringing millions of dollars to the impoverished economy of Ethiopia. Look at Ethiopia’s current actions: why doesn’t it allow the Somalis to reside in Ethiopia without the so called special ID cards for the Somalis only, even including the Ethiopian-Somalis? Meles told me in 1993: “Somali clans queue up for my office, each one claiming to be the largest and friendlier to us, however, we know that they are united in their long hate and enmity against Ethiopiaâ€. Whether some warlords or clans like the Ethiopians or not, for them the bottom line is: A Somali is a Somali, period! May be you are living in illusions with the temporary ‘friendships’ that will be simply terminated any time the present Ethiopian regime loses its grip on power or while its still in power! This man has been using some Somali warlords to his advantages; just imagine the Somali generals, colonels and politicians destroying Somalia upon the command of young junior Ethiopian military officers? What more goals could Ethiopia have achieved so easily and cheaply in this historic period? Tribalism which is the true opium of the Somalis has been practised early in the civilization of mankind; unfortunately, Somalis trust and worship it even now and usually close their eyes and turn a deaf ear to the truth if it compromises into their tribal oriented interests and ideological thinking. Most of the Somali politicians and intellectuals practise tribal-based politics, which is not compatible with the modern way of governing in the 21st century. Somali politicians and intellectuals must wake up now!, the ball has been at your corner for along time and it is time to re-evaluate fully your responsibility to the Somali society and act responsibly with positive attitudes for the future of the Somalis and Somalia in this World, keeping in mind that unless you decide to change the present history course of Somalia by yourselves, no body is going to do it for you! Hopefully the Somalis will come back to think rationally, use their sense of reasonable judgement and work to bring Somalia back to its feet as a nation. Somalis must forgive each other, lessen or stop practising tribalism and put national interest as a priority rather than self or the clan for the sake of reconciliation and nation building in Somalia. Whatever happened to the qualities of the Somalis, for the time being they are living in low life and have buried their dignity, patriotism and nationalism for clan and selfish interests! Ethiopia is considered to be the poorest nation in the World by many experts, but has been supplying arms worthy millions of dollars to the pro-Ethiopian warlords for the last eight years. The truth is that these weapons will haunt back Ethiopia sooner or later; what goes around will come back to you! Ethiopia is a landlocked country but isn’t planning to use permanently even one of Somalia’s several seaports that have been lured to it freely by the pro-Ethiopian factions, but has signed an agreement with Sudan to use permanently it’s seaport at Port Sudan!!! Pro-Ethiopian factions, whether you like it or not the fact is that the over a century suspicions, mistrusts and enmity between the Ethiopians and the Somalis are still strong and alive and Ethiopia is using you for it’s short term interests only and doesn’t honestly trust you at all for a long ride!!! The Western Nations and the UN should understand the basis of the over a century hostility between Ethiopia and Somalia. Ethiopian regime’s destabilizing policies against some of its neighbouring countries in East Africa must not be underestimated. Ethiopian soldiers frequently cross the border into Somalia and thereby loot and terrorise the suffering Somalis. Besides, this regime is terrorizing its own citizens, particularly the Somalis and the Oromo, and there are 4-5 million Ethiopian-Somalis who have been exposed to long hidden atrocities, gross human rights violations and are presently living in subhuman conditions in the Somali region of Ethiopia, under it’s illegal colonization against their will and consent. These Somalis will keep on pressing their long struggle of fighting injustice until they get back all their human dignities and rights, including their basic principle right of self-determination, all of which have been stolen and hidden from them as well as the World by successive brutal Ethiopian governments for over a century, the present one being the worst of all of them!!! Finally, the World, and particularly the Western Nations, has turned its back to the plight of Somalia for the last eight years, while its hostile neighbouring Ethiopia has taken Somalia’s internal affairs into its own hands uncensored. Let us say as an example that Pakistan become like present Somalia! Would the Western Nations and the UN have requested India to assist and come up with solutions in establishing a government of national unity in Pakistan or vice versa? Personally, I don’t think so and the enmity between Ethiopia and Somalia is older and worse than theirs. Why is Ethiopia propagating massive propagandas against this failed nation, Somalia? The truth to this question is that Ethiopia is trying to deceive the Western Nations in order to get economic aid and arms that it will use against some of its neighbours in East Africa. Now, it is high time for the merciful, compassionate and peace loving Western Nations, the UN and the rest of the World to start to help and come up with viable solutions to the desperate situation in anarchized Somalia, brought on by the more than decade old civil war. Besides, Ethiopia should be told clearly once and for all to take off its brutal and destructive hands from the internal affairs of Somalia. Prepared by Dr. Abdi Aden Mohamed Orleans, Ontario, CANADA.

I hope to see some real peace building intiatives happening from now on. I truly hope the president shies away from introducing anymore counter-peace policies that risk jeopardizing the peace process.

I see we have started quoting Gedonet (although the source was left out-so unlike you Duke) whenever the news is to our favor huh?

BTW, How many of your many prediction have come true so far? Where do you foresee that question taking us?

ELROND A stern yet benevolent organizer who often knows best, your wits are keenly fixed on aiding efforts you deem worthy. Now at this last we must take a hard road, a road unforseen. There lies our hope, if hope it be. To walk into peril to Mordor.

Besbaaso why's that?

Hornafrique, this new "friendly n concerned" side you're showing is making me a bit uncomfortable yaa saxbi. Is it because the Tigrenyas are coming, I wonder? If I was in your shoes I too would start re-building the bridges. Waad iska waashay sxb ee maxaa kugu dhacay? You wound me; when have I been anything but "friendly n concerned"? If you are equating my friendliness to my support/opposition to the secessionist ambitions of the north, then I concede you are, however misguidedly, justified in your view. As for the Tigrayeans bit, I can only remark on your current backwardness toward Somali politics. What happened man? Lost interest in politics, after the Somaliland issue cooled trememndously? Just jesting, lest you take it to heart As for the "rebuilding of the bridges", sxb I can honestly say that I've never been ashamed of calling for its rebuilding; although the only and main objection is coming from your camp. Don't get me wrong; I clearly understand it was my camp that did the cutting in the first place, so can you not atleast give me credit for trying to mend things together again? :cool:

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Bal xaal qaado victim iska dhige yahow. Anaaba kaa daran oo raba inaan u cilmiyeeyo dhoocil computer heshay Wind sxb you are a no non-sense kinda guy. A trait to be admired indeed!

The two states suffered at the hands of the former regime of Barre and lost much wealth and influence in the south Another way of saying Landers rile against the man from the former president's qabiil huh? Your post si fiican baan u gartay, although I find it despicable (NO OFFENSE). WIND- PM aad waryaa

Yaabka yaabkiis. War yaa na ii yeertay? If I'm not mistaken, I called upon the Landers and no one else. For the one ignorancia expressing his "southernor" theory iska aamus baan ku idhi Southernor iyo northernor makala aqaan ee i micnee? Nimankaas waa Somaali sidaan amba u ahay Soomaali, marka isku hayb haadanu nahay maxaa kala fogeentay keenay? Somaliland is part of Somalia as much as Gedo and Galgaduud are Somalia ma garatay? Because of that xiriir waan leenahay. Anyways Qudhac, instead of giving me reasons as to why you and your country folk have become silent, why don't you feel me in what's going on Waqooyi Galbeed?