Xoogsade- Not only the "family" sxb, but all Somalis share the trait. When I say Soomaali baynu nahay, that in it itself speaks volumes. WIND- P.S. The stories families share in their living rooms shouldn't be discussed in political discourse, especially with so many people watching. You wound me ina adeer "Stories?" Which part do you consider fiction and which part did you consider fact in my previous post? I am curious and I am duly waiting for you to point-by-point dispute any of what I had written in my last post, without the sarcasm so famous of you. Is that fair? The mighty, all-powerful SNF that defended Galkacyo in its hour of need and protected a Galkacyo-based traditional elder couldn't offer protection for the late Somali leader, Gen. M. Siyad Barre (alaha u naxaristo) - or have you forgotten that he fled Gedo and died in exile Kuma aanan fahmin. Remember, the "insignificant" Yusuf Seeraar is an MP today. Sxb Yusuf Mire Seeraar qabaa'ilkiisaa doorteen. The man has not been in Kismaayo since the start of this reconciliation conference and is now headquartered in Muqdisho. He was with the first batch of members of labada goole that went to Muqdisho and has since stayed. Another interesting fact is, during Morgan's last attempt on Kismaayo, the "drama" concerning Hiiraale's departure from Nairobi was well known. Where was Seeraar? I can say; only in the fantasy of our Wind_Talkers.

well, am only 1/4 Eriterrean and 3/4 somali. My 5th father is half Somali and after that all the following forefathers were all born in Xamar to Somali mothers. And from that time on, every one of them was born to a Somali mother. I don't even know my exact roots in Eritrea. You, sir, do not make sense! You are 1/4 Eritrean and your 5th father is half-Somali, half-Ertirean? Then you have no claim to Eritreans and stop referring to reer Muqdisho as you "abtiyaal" when you are born one! Sheesh. All that double talk just to seem objective in a cyper debate?

I watched him on a documentary once and walaahi I was so embarrassed to be Somali. All I remember was a man talking about the "chicks" in California and calling his brothers terrorists. Ever since I watched him years ago speaking in a documentary about Black Hawk Down on the History Channel, I haven't liked him! Seriously whenever I hear of Hussein Caydiid, I think of a lax.

Thanx for starting this Macruuf. So Eeylo are not the same as Eelai correct? Seeing as the Eeylo are hunter-gatherers isn't it safe to conclude that they might perhaps be the original Cushites that lived in the Somali peninsula prior to the former of the "Somali" ethnicity? And perhaps they might be a branch of the Oromo race, seeing as how Oromo's have a large segment of hunter-gatheres in their race? When I was young and probably did something dumb, I would always here the phrase " war bax, eeylo haa tahay cune!".

Yeah I got that part [smile] , but why (according to you) is it more justified to have Morgan (and his group- I don’t know their name) in Kismaayo than the USC? Bless your ignorance (not in a bad way, mind you) Rahima Is it past-actions based? Likewise another question, the JVA, I see the name of Barre Hiraale been thrown around (which I have come to work out represents the “reer gedo†part of the equation), so who represents the “USC†part of the equation? The USC as a jabhad isn't represented sis. This Kismaayo problem started in the middle 90's when kingpin Morgan immidiately, without any provacation, simply ordered any who are of Gedo descent to leave the city. Simply got up one day and said "reer Gedo you aren't welcome anymore, goodbye", as if the Gedo jabhad, the SNF, wasn't the main reason he ascended to the top of Jubba politics. Let's see the wake of events that had transpired as a result of that, without any of the hype or propaganda surrounding it. Reer Gedo, to a large degree, are forced to leave the city and majority make their way to Gedo. However, to political and military elements representing Gedo and Galgadud, that does not do it for them. There were calls of revenge crying all over and the SNF decided to act. Gedo militias were organizing theirselve under Gen Ahmed Warsame, but the majority of the arsenal and military equipments had been taken to Western Galgadud in the early parts of the civil war after Gedo was secured. Barre Hiiraale and Gen Hashi Gaani (alaha ha u naxariisto) had taken the military installations to Galgadud in case the USC attacked there. However, the USC sub-clan that majority lives in Galgadud with reer Cabudwaq had already signed a peace deal with them. The Ugaases signed an agreement calling for peace and ending all conflicts. When the call for arms against Morgan came, Barre Hiiraale who was in Cabudwaq decided to act. He wanted to come south to give aid to Ahmed Warsame in toppling Morgan. Barre Hiiraale banded up his largely unused military equipments and militia. However, the lands they would have to go through were all USC held lands, and they might loose their objective where they confronted somewhere in the maze of southern Somalia. The Ugaas of Cabudwaq at that time, Ugaas Siraaj Ugaas Hersi (alaha ha u naxaristo), thinking back to the peace deal asked the Ugaas of Guri-Ceel (who ecently passed away, alaha ha u naxariisto) in help in finding a route through the USC-held lands. The Ugaas of Guri-Ceel then told Barre Hiiraale he would send with him a dozen men led by Col Yusuf Mire Seeraar to "guide" them through the south. Meaning they would hold up the clan card if ever Barre Hiiraale and his camp were intercepted. Barre Hiiraale came down peacfully, and with Gen Ahmed Warsame overpowered Gen Morgan. After they entered the city, Barre Hiiraale asked the men who scouted for him if they would like to remain, and they consented. Then the JVA was set up as a political entity that came as a result of business that included Abdiqasim and reer Gedo. That is all this fuss and complain about USC in Kismaayo sis. It is much easier to admit defeat at the hands of a large force instead of a ...

The peace accord between the British and the locals (Habarawal) was witnessed by Sharmarke Ali Salah, the then ruler of Zeila. Indirect way of telling us what you are, no?

^^You are the most strangest Eritrean I have ever seen.

What a discussion! :rolleyes:

^^I feel sorry for Somalia if Hussein Caydiid is their best hope.

Hussein Caydiid is an imbecil!

Personal Note: He is my Abti but I totally oppose and despise his alliance with Yeey. I also dislike him for the role he took in destroying Al-Barakaat. We will deal with him. How he could ever come back to Xamar? Right or maybe you just wanted to us to read about him in good in good light. :rolleyes: Ina Caydiid is the weakest link in Somali politics and I think he should just marry and stop being a poster boy for various warlords and qab-qablayaal. Talk about living off after your father's legacy. I can say that about him, not because of being a qabiil "abti" to me but the real thing. Caydiid Sr and my grandmother are first cousins, and the younger Caydiid is her nephew.

What of the thousands of people who fled during the SNF/USC invasion (they had credible fear of the USC, because of the past)? Sxb ilaahay baa na leh ee the battle of Kismaayo in the 90's was principally between Gen Morgan and Gen Ahmed Warsame (not Barre Hiiraale). USC bogeyman ha ka dhigin. Gen Morgan abused his powers and turned against the people who spilt their blood for the independence of the city, which led the cunning Gen Ahmed Warsame to plan his demise. Barre Hiiraale might be the face of Kismaayo, but Gen Ahmed Warsame is hidden power behind Kismaayo and Jubba politics. Again USC haku gaban, rag baynu nahay ee aan u dhaqano sida nalaga rabo.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: [QB] Ayyax maxamed Dhawre (abwaankii caanka ka ahaa carriga Ciid & Hawd)QUOTE] Funny thing is Ayax became stricken in love with my great-grandmother after he came to Cabudwaq. I'm told the story of how he use to express his love to my great-grandmother is told through out the Mudug desert. Poor guy, the love was not mutual or I would not be here.

P.S. I noticed you changed where you're from. I believe (if I'm not mistaken) it used to say Caabudwaaq. Why the sudden change to Wardheer? Does it have anything to do with the recent outbreak of violence in that region of Somali Galbeed between Caabudwaaq-allied & Puntland-allied kinfolk? And how does claiming it on SOL further promote the agenda of Reer Caabudwaaq in the Wardheer region? That would be something in it itself wouldn't it? Sxb geelaheena baa degmada Cabudwaq iminka daaqa maahaane, fir iyo farcanbo ragaan ka dhashay waa reer Etoopiya. Wardheer region to be exact; my mother was born in Gelaadi and her family is originally from there and upper Hawd/Sool region area, my father was born in Shilaabo though his family is originally from Qabri Dahare. Horn, Only if you said looters instead of inhabitants so it could still bear the negative connotation it deserves! But (I suppose) one ought (some times) be generous enough to keep the civility of the discussion and graciously accommodating to other’s raving talk. Civility goes a long way in any discussion Xiinfaniin. I had the pleasure of learning how to employ it. :cool: Hornafrik - adoo raali ah, maxaa ka wadaa " Olol you represent those inhabitants on these forums " ma fahmin arintaas iigu soo celi..guryahaan iyo dhismayashaan ku leenahayna si xalaal ah aan ku dhisanay cid naga xoogtayna ma leh ama nagu xadgudubtay ma leh With all due respect, representing those inhabitants doesn't necesarily mean you took part in any illegal activities. Is daji sxb you're doing the people of Muqdisho a disservice. dadka qasab maahin kuligood ineey xamar degaan ama ku laabtaan. soomaaliya waa weyn tahay waana nagu wada filan tahay. waxeeyna ku fiicnaan laheeyd in la dago magaalooyinka yar yar si loo hormariyo degaanadaas? Olol caadi baa kuula daqmayay, but that is the most hypocritical statement I have seen in a while. You are speaking about democracy in your post, while throughly managing to destroy its whole ideals. Have you ever heard of the tenent of democracy known as the freedom to choose?. Cid kasto meesha guri ka taagato ayagee u taal as long as it is within the limits of legality. I'm not insulting the city of Mogadishu and I do understand the difficult situation concerning real estate, but as I understand that part of the equation you need to understand the other side. There are orphans living in our house, so by the might of Allah waan u daaynay. Ma quurno inaan agoon meel ka kacsano, however there are others who aren't so understanding. What about those people? What would the reconciliation you speak of do for them if their houses are occupied? See there is a difference between you and I, Olol. Between us, we don't have a solution, but I am willing to understand the other side's situation while you are deliberately ignoring it. P.S I'm not a very good judge of character at times, but you sound very Somali to me, without any "Eritrean" or ajnabi blood in you.

SO WHAT IS HIS AGE!

Ilahay ha u naxariisto.

Originally posted by checkmate: quote: posted by Horn Sxb the story of how my father tried to buy back his properties is one that can be told only in person. Do know what is on a poster sprayed with blood nailed to our ganjeel says? "Firki (Cidayda) haday soo laabtaan togasho maahaane soo dhawaan kale ma lahan". Meel fir laga gaadhay maxaa iga yaal? That's my father, I, my future son, his future son, his future son, etc. Abti aad iyo aad ayaan uga xumaaday arinka idinka qabsatay dhulkiina aad xalaasha ku dhisateen oo maanta la idinka erayanayo. walaahi waa arin aad looga muragoobo. Murti yar ann ku gabagabeeyo. CIGAAL SHIIDAAD ayaa wuxuu yiri: Waxaan ku mooday, Waxaad noqotay iyo Waxaan loo noqondoonin asxantu Asxantu saana abtigiis, dhibaata ma leh Somali baynu nahay. Congrats on your baby girl too.

laakiin maalintii isbaarooyin la qaado - militia la aruuriyo - dadka dago - isqabqabsi goofeedka iyo tredicaha ah dhamaado - waxaan hubaa qof walba oo xamar deganaa gurigii uu xalaasha ku dhistay inuu u laaban doono - War dhab ah, laakiin maxaa lagu dhahaa raga ku dhashay guryahaas qaxii ka bacdi ilaa iyo iminka? Maxaa lagu dhahi dadki yimid magaalada qaxii ka bacdi oo naf iyo maalba ka dhigteen guryahee dagan yahiin? That in it itself is a walking time bomb, and I have no idea, absaloutely no idea, how it will work itself out. Olol you represent those inhabitants on these forums (pardon the assumption) so can you please tell me just how you tell a mother and her kids to get out of the house they've lived in the past decade in the name of reconcialiation? In the spirit of reconciliation. Who is reconciled here? I can tell you from my side, it's not even possible to tell a family to forget their "stolen" lands in the name of reconciliation. In the spirit of reconciliation. Who is reconciled here?

HornAfrik - don't lose hope! Xamar is more cosmopolitan than ever... if the "Butcher of Hargeisa " can easily be welcomed and get his "Booli Qaran" back, you have a lot of chances there. waxaa igu maqaala ah in villa saddex dabaq ah oo uu ku lahaa agagaarka circolo officiale in iyadoo sideedii u bad qabta uu dhex jiifo - welibana waxaa la sheegay in madiina mid uu ku lahaa iyo too kale oo ku tiilay agagaarka Jaziira loo soo celiyay? waa yaabe Morgan intoow ka keenay hantidaas uu ku dhistay intaas oo villooyin? Sxb the story of how my father tried to buy back his properties is one that can be told only in person. Do know what is on a poster sprayed with blood nailed to our ganjeel says? "Firki (Cidayda) haday soo laabtaan togasho maahaane soo dhawaan kale ma lahan". Meel fir laga gaadhay maxaa iga yaal? That's my father, I, my future son, his future son, his future son, etc. It was only last year when my father was on a business trip to the continent when he tried it back, but believe me Xamar waan ka samray.

Baashi Kismaayo kuuma diidani adeer. Aad, dag, guryahaad ku lahaan jirtay ka doono. Aniguse Xamar kol horaan ka samray. Guryahaheeni agoon, hee, baa dagan. What can anyone say to that? What can anyone say about that? Where is Xalal vs Xaram in this case? Hadaadse awal iga garan Cabudwaq ama Balanbale mid un baa dagi markaan Soomaaliya ku laabto. Xamar waa ka samray, kumana laablaabanayi.

Taas ma awalbaa shaki kaaga jiray? Adigu shaki kama haysid? No pun intended, but somehow I knew someone would pick up the torch and put an emphasize on the Duqa's all prophetic phrase. Now tell me why I had marked you as that torch bearer? Kismaayo is an international city and will stay as such. :cool:

Too much has happened in Somalia.

I understand this situation is not the best of examples, but I thought it was interesting how objective clans or sub-clans are taking it upon theirselves to judge between warring clans. A remodeled way of doing things which is reminiscent of the traditional pre-civil war way of dealing with clan conflicts. A good example of the traditional Somali problem solving methods. P.S. Sorry for the heavy dose qabyaalad in this particular article (all things concerning Somalis having aheavy dose of qabiil to be honest), but my ujeeda is to get a discussion going on our abilities to dhex-dheexad ourselves without resorting to the barrel of a gun.

Why would people even bother to comment about the naked revisions individuals are so visibly doing the early history of the Somali Republic? Anybody brings up the "State of Union" BS then I bring out my "Mohamed Ibrahiim Igaal (ilaahay ha u naxariisto} didn't have any problems refusing the Prime Ministerial position" card. Wax kala la imaada baynu nidi.

Originally posted by Sky: reverse psychology? it would be an understatement to say that your mental condition depends on somali politics. of all ppl, the one that still worships monkeyface s/barre baa iswaalwaalaya. And what do you achieve from insulting the dead? Sxb as Rahima once told you "go to sleep" and I will add "request more happier stories during your bedtime story hour".