What he wants and what is possible under the circumstance are two different things. Shabaab are beyond the pale of negotiations.

Well at least reer Gedo seem to be civilized people who can disagree with each other vehemently on policy. Perhaps such a nature of dissent could have been useful while Abdullahi Yusuf was trampling on the name of Puntland as TFG president.

Xiin- Native Americans lived on these shores I call home now in the 17th hundreds as well Xiin. Even if your statement was accurate, it's hardly saying much. As for assumption of blood relations to Godane and Zaylici, I do not know how that accounts for anything when these two men planned all the terrorist acts in present-day Somaliland. I can understand the confused Red Sea, who is at one point an Islamist and another a born-again tribal nationalist, but I am quite surprised that divisive character by the name of Xaji Xunjuf has his head in every topic of this nature. Haatu- All I know is his is intent on trying.

As I understand it, his objective is not to be a cowboy. According to my sources he can and has twice defeated Shabaab but Barre's strategy is very much dependent on the Bay and Bakool group making a breakthrough from the Bakool border as well as the finalization of the Kenyan trained troops, who are suffering logistical problems at the 11th hour. He will be back, as soon as the Kenyan trained troops have neared the border of Ceel-Waaq, or Ceel-qaalow in Kenya. This is estimated to be in two-four weeks time of which the next time, the fight will not stop at a single city but spread south to the Indian Ocean. Also, I find it rather amusing Barre's most ardent admirers on this froum seem to be those from Hargeisa and Boosaaso, two groups whom this affair neither concerns.

Don't be ridiculous. Godane would destroy Hargeisa faster than he did many southern cities in order to accomplish his objective.

Ngonge, I was on the verge of going out of my way to label you a genius until you posted that link at the end. Oodweyn is indeed a character.

Originally posted by The Zack: Waxaanse la yaabay waxaa loo diidahayo codka qarsoodiga ah LOL - timir laf baa ku jirta! Taasi ma Soomaali baad u tahay mise cayn kale wayo Soomaalidu baa taasi kuu didaysee.

In all honesty I do not believe a lot, unless his term is extended or given new mandate with new election, but the panic for such a short inconsequential term has already been noted. Nin wax yaqaan odayaashani wax magaratada ah uma ogola Soomaaliyada haatan jirta.

Indeed. I am not so much as sure the problem is arising from the PM's clannish background as much as his educated nature. Odayaal badan baa jiro oo isbaaro meesha dhigtay lagana bilaabay the Samatar professor from Minneapolis whose last interview faulted the uneducated nature of the members of the TFG and today has put his own isbaaro in front of Farmaajo to keep the hype surrounding his own stature going.

Though I have not opined for the better part of a year nor agreed with most of what Oodweyn said prior, I missed this clever old chap who, like me, has his own achilles hiil. Oodweynoow ku mee? Kolayba Udub baad ahayde, armaad Siilaanyo xarash u qabtaa?

Maxkamada Sare oo amar ku bixisay in cod gacan taag ah lagu anxisiyo R/Wasaaraha. Muqdisho: (Sh. M. Network) War qoraal ah oo Shalay ay soo saartay Maxkamada sare ee dowladda KMG Soomaaliya ayaa waxaa gudoonka Barlamanka lagu amray in Codeynta Ra’iisul wasaaraha ay ka dhigaan mid gacan taag ah maadaama uu qabo axdiga dowladda KMG Maxakada sare fadhi ay qaadatay maanta oo isniin ah 25/10/2010:- Waxay fasiraad sharci ka bixisay warqad uu soo gudbiyey Xafiiska Madaxweynaha Jamhuuriyadda Soomaaliya Shariif Sheekh Axmed, warqaddaas oo summaddeedu ahayd JS/XM/188/10/10, kuna taariikhaysan 24/10/2010, ujeeddadeeduna ay ahayd waydiisasho sharci kalsooni siin Ra’iisul Wasaaraha (Qodobka 82, faqraddiisa 2-aad ee Dastuurka 1960-kii.) Maxkamaddu: Markay deristey, kana baaraandegtey qoraalkii uu u soo gudbiyey Xafiiska Madaxweynaha; Markay aragtay qodobka 55-aad faqraddiisa 7-aad, hubisayna awoodda ay u leedahay fasiraadda sharciga, Markay aragtay qodobada 33-aad faqraddiisa 5-aad, 44-aad, 49-aad, 71-aad ee Axdiga Ku-Meelgaarka ah, Markay aragtay qodobka 82-aad faqraddiisa 2-aad ee Dastuurka 1960-kii, Markay aragtay qodobka 40-aad faqraddiisa 3-aad iyo 4-aad iyo qodobka 34-aad ee Xeer Hoosaadka Baarlamaanka, Sidaas darteed, Maxkamadda Sare waxay fasiraad sharci ah ka bixisay weydiinta aragtida sharci ee la xiriirta ansixinta Ra’iisul Wasaaraha uu magacaabay Madaxweynaha, Maxamed Cabdullaahi Maxamed, iyada oo cuskanaysa qodobka 71-aad faqraddiisa 2-aad ee Axdiga Ku-Meelgaarka oo caddaynaya in Dastuurka Jamhuuriyadda Soomaaliya ee 1960-kii loo isticmaali karo arrimaha aan lagu xusin Axdiga Ku-Meelgaarka, haddii uusan ka hor-imaanayn shuruucda kale ee dalka iyadoo qodobka 82-aad faqraddiisa 2-aad ee Dastuurka 1960-kii uu sheegayo ansixinta Wasiirka 1-aad in ay ahaato gacantaag taas oo sharci ah, soo jireenna ahayd intii ka horreysey arrintaan ugubka ah. Guddiga Garsooreyaasha Maxkamadda Sare Aqriso oo la soco Shabelle.net Saacad Walba si aad u hesho wararkii ugu dambeeyay ee Soomaaliya. http://shabelle.net/component/content/article/42-new-in-somali-content/2924-maxkamada-sare-oo-amar-k u-bixisay-in-cod-gacan-taag-ah-lagu-anxisiyo-rwasaaraha

Waxii la qariyo qurun baa ku jiro. Even if you look at the U.S Congress, normal voting is public but during controversial votes, the ruling party can decide on secret voting, such as occurred with the Democrats during Health Care reform, in order to help their members from constituencies in which their voting could make them vulnerable. That prevents them from being held accountable by their constituency. Since I haven't known you to write in Somali, I will explain this as "sunlight is the best disinfectant". If such an argument has not arisen with the confirmations of Gheedi, or Nuur Cadde, or ina Abdirashiid, why should this debate be taking place now if not "Wax qurun ah meesha ku jirin"? Sharif and the PM were right in walking out during the first day, as well as the majority of parliamentarians who called out the speaker, as well as the attorney general who questioned the constitutionality of the Speaker's actions. Now the Shariif realizes he tried to win a losing battle hence the capitulation.

Abdullahi Yusuf got rid of him or did you forget already? Then he made his way to Eritra and Djibouti to ally with the man he is now showing political animosity towards.

Damage control from Shariif Sakiin. You never want to rear your head against the tide or you get swept by it. A quorum of parliamentarians have pledged to usher in the new PM and the Attorney General has called it unconstitutional to give vote of confidence privately. What is Shariif Sakiin to do but capitulate? The only thing is his animosity towards the president has been announced to the public and if I were him, I would start counting down my days. The Speaker can survive taking sides between the president and PM but a speaker who antagonizes the head of state as well as the new head of government with enough influence between them in the Parliament doesn't seem to be holding on to his title for long.

Originally posted by Prometheus: The claim that leading politicians from some tribes achieved political prominence only as a result of colonial favoritism is both ahistoric and myopic. Enemies of the democratic process always label their opponents as agents of an external hegemon. Somalia would have been a very different place had Barre not contravened and crushed the nascent democracy of the 60s. I am reminded of something the former American ambassador to Somalia, Peter Bridges, said to once Somali Interior Minister Maxamed Maxamoud Jaango'an. He said "above all, Somalis are fabulously arrogant. Here I am, doing my best to get the Africaphiles in the department of State of my country to notice this nation while I am left thinking Somalis are the center of the world anytime I speak to one." The reality and history of of colonists with respect to the colonized societies is rife with colonists favoring those communities perceived to have been favorable and amenable. I mean how can you speak with ignorance when some of the biggest atrocities in Africa have foundation in such; particularly in Africa's most well known genocide as relating to the events in Rwanda where the French favored the Tutsi, 10% of society, over the Hutu, 80% of society, resulted in heinous action from pent up frustration and anger? It is well know that some Somali clans accepted colonial and missionary schools prior to others which led to a perceived prominence in the defunct 60's you label a "nascent democracy". Nascent democracy is not 160 political parties of every clan, ministers saying I am 35 with 35 million shillings, or an inability to get something as simple as a national ortography passed stretching to a full decade. There is a reason why all Somalis reacted with such joy and exhilaration to the slogans of siinaan, midnimo, cadaalad, and horumar by the men who took power in 1969 and no amount of revisionism using post-1978 Siad actions as base can change with respect to the legitimacy of the coup in 1969.

Heavy Somalia fighting near Kenya border MOGADISHU—At least 16 people were killed when Somali pro-government forces wrested back a town from Islamist insurgents Friday, as a new southern front piled pressure on the Al-Qaeda-inspired insurgency. The clashes in Bulohawo erupted late Thursday and pitted fighters from the Shebab rebel group against a pro-government clan militia led by a local warlord and recently trained by Ethiopian forces. "The fighting stopped late last night and we fully control the city now," said Moalim Muse Ahmed, a senior commander with the pro-government militia. "We killed many of our enemies and their dead bodies are in the streets," he added. The local militia was supported by forces from Ahlu Sunna wal Jamaa, a powerful Sufi movement that took up arms almost two years ago to counter the Shebab's advance and has become one of Somalia's foremost military outfits. According to residents, the fighting resumed on Friday morning and the pro-government force had taken control of the town, which lies close to where the borders of Somalia, Kenya and Ethiopia meet. "The fighting was the heaviest ever in the town and at least 16 people, most of them fighters, were killed," Abdirahman Abikar, an elder, told AFP by phone. "There was heavy shelling from the pro-government side when the fighting resumed early this morning and the town is now under the control of Somali forces," he said. Witnesses said the fighting claimed some civilian lives too. "We are collecting the dead bodies this morning, five members from one family who were killed after artillery fire hit their house are among the casualties," Yahya Mohamed, a local resident, said. "The death toll could climb above 20 because there are still many dead bodies lying in the streets of the town, from which most of the residents have fled by now," he added. The pro-government force was led by Barre Shire Hirale, a veteran military leader, and consisted mainly of fighters from his ******* clan who were recently stationed in the town of Dolo, on the Ethiopian border. Hirale is a former minister of defense with the transitional federal government (TFG) who ruled over Kismayo – Somalia's largest southern port – before the Shebab ousted him in 2008 and turned the city into their main base. He has since been reforming a militia with Ethiopia's support. In the late nineties, Hirale founded the Jubba Valley Alliance and unilaterally declared the autonomy of Somalia's main southwestern provinces until the Islamic Courts Union defeated him in 2006. The fighting in and around Bulahawo was the most significant military offensive against the Shebab that far south in months and marks a third front in a reinvigorated campaign to pin back the insurgency. In recent weeks, another front ignited further up the border when Ahlu Sunna engaged insurgents in the key town of Beledweyne. Major Shebab troop movements have been reported in recent days across southern and central Somalia as the fresh assault, combined with ongoing fighting in the capital Mogadishu, was stretching insurgent forces. The Western-backed TFG has been promising a major offensive to stamp out the Shebab for more than a year but the insurgents, who count foreign jihadi fighters in their ranks, still control three quarters of the country. In Mogadishu, the African Union's force (Amisom) has been awaiting reinforcements and a more robust mandate to make a more significant impact and claim control of the capital's center.

Not at once did any credible news source say shelling was from Ethiopian side. All sources said shelling came from Dollow and assumed it must have been Ethiopians because few knew the reality of what was being concocted in that district for the past year and half. Two weeks ago, news medias reported IGAD officials had landed in Dollow. Little did they know Barre had finalized his training, and the delivery was the promised consignment of heavy armory agreed upon with the AU. Couple weeks ago Source

Originally posted by Polanyi: quote:Originally posted by Gabbal: All reports of city being bombarded or burned was false Originally posted by Gabbal: Also, most of the shelling was not actually done by Ethiopia but by the Dollow group through the use of IGAD and AU supplied weaponry which was delivered to them recently. Look how a puppet who worships Ethiopian-Tribal WARLORDS contradicts himself and thinks. :confused: Perhaps reading comprehension is the problem here. Shelling did occur but on the defensive positions of Shabaab outside of the city after they took the bait. Both the VOA and BBC have interviewed civilians inside of the city who concur that few of the fighting took place in the city and the shelling was on the Shabaab positions outside of the city. Also, it would be more sophisticated of you to upgrade your rhetoric. Instead of dwelling with emotional ad hominems, please address fact. It is also prudent of you to upgrade from 90's discourse. Jini iyo jaanba ha weerarto Shabaab.

He was in Buurdhuubo, Gedo at that time not Nigeria.

Originally posted by Che -Guevara: ^It was just yesterday you were saying it is the Woyanes that were bombing the town? The return of any warlord is bad news for Somalia. That was initial reporting before any contact was established on the ground. At that time we also believed Shabaab surprise attacked Barre in the city causing fighting inside of the city or that shelling was taking place inside of the city. Not at any point did fighting take place in the city and only one shell hit any part of the town. By the time Shabaab came to surprise Barre, his sentry had already informed movement and he cleared out which is what cause the confusion of the early "Shabaab has taken Beled-Xaawo". After Shabaab, the city was empty they believed Barre had ran and started to follow being lured into Barre's groups who had dug trenches in the valleys. The carnage wrought on Shabaab is unimaginable as has been reported which includes the death of Abu Muscab.

Magaalada Garbahaarey oo la gaarsiiyay dhaawac farabadan iyo warar kale oo dheeri ah Oct 22,2010 by Nairobi GedoNet News Magaalada Garbahaarey ee xarunta gobolka Gedo oo aanu xiriir toos ah la samaynay ayaa naloo sheegay in xarakada Al-Shabaab dhaawocoodii uu soo gaaray magaalada. Sida warar xaqiiqo ah aanu ku hayno Al-Shabaab dagaalkii xalay ay ku qaadeen magaalada xadka dhacda ee Belex-Xaawo ayaa naloo xaqiijiyay inuu kasoo gaaray jab aad u ballaaran. Wararka naga soo gaaraya magaalada Garbahaarey waxay noo sheegeen in magaalada la gaarsiiyay dhaawaca Al-Shabaab oo gaaraya 55-qof ilaa 60 askari oo Al-Shabaab ah. Xarakada gawaaridii ay xalay ku dagaal galeen ee hubku u saarnaa ayay kusoo daad gureeyeen dhaawicii askarta iyagoo ugu danbeyna gaaray Garbahaarey. laba kamid ah dhaawicii la keenay Garbahaarey ayaa geeriyooday, sidoo kale tiro gaaraysa 5-askari ayaa iyaguna dhexda kusoo dhintay intii lasoo waday. Dhimashada askarta Al-Shabaab ee dagaalkii xalay ayaa la ii xaqiijiyay inay gaarayso 34 nin ilaa 40 askari marka lagu daro kuwa dhaawaca u geeriyooday. Waxay kaloo wararku sheegayaan in askarta ka geeriyootay xarakada Al-Shabaab ay u duugeen qaab xabaal-wadareed ah oo meelaha howdka ay ka sameeyeen. Askartii bad-qabtay ee Al-Shabaab waxay xalay magaalada B/Xaawo uga soo bexeen iyagoo lugaynaya kadib markii dhaawaca iyo dhimashada lagu soo qaaday gawaaridii ay dagaalka ku galeen. Xarakadu waxay maanta Garbahaarey ka afduubeen gawaaridii shacabka ee waawayneyd oo magaalada Muqdisho bagaashka iyo raashinka ka keeni jirtay, waxaana lagu soo daad gureeyey ciidankii lugta ahaa, waxaana waqti gaaban kahor lasoo gaarsiiyay meelo u dhow Garbahaarey. Dhimashada Al-Shabaab waxaa la tilmaamayaa inuu ku jiro sargaal xaga ammaanka u qaabilsanaa magaalada Garbahaarey oo lagu magacaabo Abuu-Muscab sidoo kale waxay wararku xusayaan inuu isna dhintay gudoomiyihii degmeda Ceel-Waaq, laakiin wali ma jiraan warar xaqiijinaya inay saraakiishaasi dhinteen iyo in kale. Dhaawaca la keenay magaalada Garbahaarey ayay xarakada Al-Shabaab waxay geeyeen isbitaalka wayn ee magaalada waxaana loo diiday inay dadka shacabka ah galaan. Dhakhaatiirtii iyo kalkaaliyeyaashii ka howl-gali jiray isbitaalka guud ee magaalada ayaa si khasab ah loo afduubay waxaana loo sheegay inay daweeyaan dhaawaca la keenay, waxaa kaloo loogu dardaar wariyey inaysan sheegin tirada dhaawaca la keenay isbitaalka. Qaar kamid ah dhaawaca Al-Shabaab ee magaalada la keenay ayaa loola cararay magaalada Baydhabo oo gawaari lagu qaaday saacado kahor, waxaana intii dhaawocoodu halista ahaa loo qaaday magaalada Baydhabo ee xarunta gobolka Bay, qaar kamid ah waxaa laga baqayaa inay dhexda ku dhintaan oo dhaawocoodu halis yahay. Dagaalkii xalay ka dhacay B/Xaawo wuxuu xoogiisu dhexmaray Al-Shabaab iyo garabka Ahlusunna, wuxuuna dagaalku ka dhacay goob ay difaac uga jireen garabka Ahlu-Sunna. dhinaca ay ku sugnaayeen ciidanka dowlada raacsan dagaal badan kama dhicin. Warar kale oo warsidaha GedoNet kasoo gaaraya magaalada Wajeer ee gobolka Waqooyi-Bari Kenya waxay xusayaan in ciidamo dowlada raacsan oo muddo lagu tababarayay deegaanka Siyeelow ay maanta soo gaareen Wajeer waxayna ku sii jeedaan magaalada Ceel-Waaq oo la filayo inay gaaraan maalinta Axada ah ee fooda nagu soo haysa. Ma jiraan warar ay xarakada Al-Shabaab kasoo saareen dagaalada ka dhacay magaalada B/Xaawo guul iyo guul daro intaba sidoo kale wax gurmad ah oo u yimid xarakada Al-Shabaab ma jiraan ilaa iyo hadda sida warar xaqiiqo ah aanu ku hayno. Dhanka kale warbaahinta ayaa faafisay warar xaqiiqada ka fog oo ku sheegay dagaalkii xalay ka dhacay B/Xaawo ay ku dhinteen dad gaaraya 20 qof halka dhaawucuna gaarayo 30 qof mana jiraan sida warar xaqiiqo ah aanu ku hayno shacab ku dhintay magaalada marka laga reebo garabyada dagaalamay kaliya. shacabka khasaarohooda waxaa weeye 5-qof kaliya. Maxamed Jaamac Faarax-Barre. GedoNet News-Desk Nairobi. gedonetnews@gmail.com Wixii warar ah ee kasoo kordha gobolka war cad oo faah-faahsan baanu idinka siin doonaa ee kala soco warsidaha GedoNet.

Shabaab has suffered one of the most major defeats as of yet. Their remnants are now in Garbahareey. All reports of city being bombarded or burned was false as well as reports of Shabaab defeating Dollow guys at any point. After the initial defeat of Shabaab near Malkaariya couple days ago, Shabaab has brought men from as far as Kismaayo. In their counter-strike, they have become victims of Barre's institutional military experience that saw him use the city as bait and switch, eventually bringing Shabaab to him in the valleys in their misplaced confidence. Also, most of the shelling was not actually done by Ethiopia but by the Dollow group through the use of IGAD and AU supplied weaponry which was delivered to them recently. He currently has about two thousand men he has been training for the last year and a half and his objective has finally been announced to be Kismaayo.

Originally posted by General Duke: Gabbal, Al Shabaab have changed the political dynamics in Souther Somalia, just like the USC back in 1991. Forget this nonsense, and start building the regions lad. Today Beled-Hawo is a theater of war? Madness It is unfortunate but how long can Somalia, particularly the South, exist in the status quo? At the end of the day the nation needs stability, central governance, and legitimized rule. This is a rag-tag, backward militia that stops children learning science because "waa cilmi gaal". The choice of whether to live under such tyranny or fight more is between a rock and hard place.

Some local reporting is already saying Shabaab have retreated back from the town: Ciidamadii dowladda KGM ah oo dagaal rogaal celis ah inta badan magaalada Balad-xaawo ku qabsaday iyo kuwii Al-shabaab oo dhanka Koofureed ee magaalada loo riixay Dagaalkii qaraaraa ee ka socday magaalada Balad xaawo ayaa wax yar qaboobay, ayada oo ciidamadii dowladda KMG ah oo taakulo ka helaya kuwa dowladda Itoobiyana ay dagaal rogaal celis ah ku qabsadeen inta badan magaalada Balad-xaawo. Waxaa jira warar sheegaya in dagaal goos-goos ah uu weli ka socdo gudaha magaalada Balad-xaawo, halka xooggii Al-shabaab intiisa badan loo riixay dhanka Koofureed ee magaalada Baladxaawo. Waxaa jira qasaare aad u badan oo naf iyo maalba leh oo soo gaaray labada dhinac ee ay dirirta u dhaxeyso iyo dadka shacabka ah ee ku dhaqan Balad-xaawo. Balad-xaawo ayaa waxay hadda ku waa bariisatay cabsi iyo bur-bur naf iyo maalba leh, ilaa iyo haddana lama oga inta uu la eg yahay khasaaraha dhabta ah ee ka dhashay dagaalkii qaraaraa ee ilaa iyo xalay ka socday gudaha iyo duleedka magaalada Balad-xaawo. Wixii war ah ee kusoo kordha dagaalka Balad-xaawo kala soco wararkeena danbe. Saciid C/laahi Farax, Baydhabo/Somalia. Allgedo News Media Network allgedo@allgedo.com

You are right, Faroole would have flown back to Australia. With that said waa xog loo hayo adeer. Shabaab's primary jewel in Somalia they cannot function without is the city of Kismaayo. Whoever controls Gedo will be a dominating force in the stability of that city and there is one group challenging that position. Waa xog loo hayo, adigu haysku mashquulin.