^Was Ethiopia adopted from the Italians? What about all the British colonies of Nigeria, Namibia, India, Australia, etc? p.s. What's Qansharee?

^Was Ethiopia adopted from the Italians? What about all the British colonies of Nigeria, Namibia, India, Australia, etc? p.s. What's Qansharee?

So there is another side this woman? Interesting iga dheh and for all surprises, it's a humanitarian one! Well I am surprised. One thing I find interesting about Somalis in general is something called the "first". Suldaanka how do you know she was the first Somali lady to get a western education? How do you know she was the first Somali female to drive a car? If its too much to answer, by all means don't answer it.

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Originally posted by Suldaaanka: quote: Why do they call it Somaliland? Both Somaliland (English Suffix) and Somalia (Italian suffix) are from colonial era. Why the fuzz sxb? Suldaanka actually the colonies were called British Somaliland and Italian Somaliland respectively. As with all other states, when the Republic gained independence it required an informal comman name and that is where Somalia came, in lieu of the formal Somali Republic. Somalia does not have an Italian suffix, but a Greco-Roman suffix that is in widespread use. Somalia (land of the Somalis), Ethiopia (land of the burnt skin), etc are just some nations whose name was influenced by western civilization, their Greco-Roman foundation, and the latin language that has influenced all the other European languages including English.

Originally posted by Suldaaanka: quote: Why do they call it Somaliland? Both Somaliland (English Suffix) and Somalia (Italian suffix) are from colonial era. Why the fuzz sxb? Suldaanka actually the colonies were called British Somaliland and Italian Somaliland respectively. As with all other states, when the Republic gained independence it required an informal comman name and that is where Somalia came, in lieu of the formal Somali Republic. Somalia does not have an Italian suffix, but a Greco-Roman suffix that is in widespread use. Somalia (land of the Somalis), Ethiopia (land of the burnt skin), etc are just some nations whose name was influenced by western civilization, their Greco-Roman foundation, and the latin language that has influenced all the other European languages including English.

^Address the message, not the messanger. I know you have a history with that sxb, but do take care this time. We will dress like them. Eat like them. Speak like them Is this not what Ataturk used to turn the country agnositc? Was that not the reasoning behind the internal and Turkish led oppostion to the last Islamic caliph? Was that not what Atatiurk used to change the call of aadhaan to Turkish as opposed to Arabic? Was that not why the innocent fez was outlawed and replaced with the the felt hat? Is that not why even dates were banned at a certain point? To be blunt sxb, what you uttered are not the words of healthy Muslim. :confused: Among other things, you clearly showed aversion to speaking arabic, atleast a worldly language in demand worthy of being mastered if not a holy, heavenly language. Yet you display no objections to English! You attacked the Islamic dress of our woman, yet labeled the Western military garb of those female soldiers as dhaqan "suubanayd" oo mid caadada Soomaali ku dhisnayd. Caadadee, dhaqankee? Armaan isku caado y isku dhaqanbo ka hadlayn? Eat like themne maba ahayn wax aanbo fahmi karay so taa jawaab may heli karin.Marka meeshaa wax kalaa ka jiro yaan filayaa, ee admit you wronged. A qhalad is a qhalad.

Miskiin nin oday ha yaa lagu moodaye, fikradaa la timidne ha yaabin markaan ku niraahno wax inaga naga yaabisay noqotay. Waxaad ku timaantay dhaqan carbeed, ma iyadaa mise waa mid diimeed? Waxaad ku tilmaantay dhaqan suuban, ma iyadee ahayd mise mid qur'aan ku dhaqnayn? Gabdho qaawan oo cawradooda banaan tahay intaad la timi baad tidhi mid wanaagsan oo xus diimeed ku dhaqan bay ahayd, dumar asturane aflagaadaa kula booday. Waxaad tidhi "We will dress like them. Eat like them. Speak like them"! Xashlilaah ninyahow, if I didn't know any better I would say you are a re-incarnation of Kamal Atuturk! Intaas ka iigu ekaato tani, mindhaa gaf bee kaa ahayd. Kun sano kahor ayaa diinta heysanay, waxaana ma arkin ee wadaan. Haday nafsadaadu arkin waa la arakay. Gabdhahayaguna waligood bay asturnaayeene magac Soomaali gaf haka galin walaal. Waa wax la garan karo dad badan inay diinta qaxii ka bacdi si fiican u fahmeen laakiin cawaanimo wax lagu faano oo daliil laga dhigto maahan ee garo walaalow.

I found it rather interesting that when Hiiraale gave full support to Cabdiqasim Salad Hassan and the former Arta goverment, that TNG was called haraadahi Siyaad and a secret vehicle of partisan poliitcs. Now that Hiiraale has given support to Abdulahi Yusuf (his arch-nemesis no less) and this Ebagathi/Eldoret government, this goverment is called a tribal bonding. Soomaaliyay is eego; I do believe history will judge otherwise.

^ Good day my shaddy friend, dad iska gad baa ku jirtaa. p.s. You very well alluded your mother was rer Gedo with the xaram capitalization of the Waamo farms that came as a result of Hiiraale (that you said and where asking Xiin for "permission") and now her background is completely changed! Interesting Hakaa Saarta! And this is my last post to you.

^Then don't pretend you have higher morals. As for the Hiiraale analogy from over years ago; don't worry. I am searching for that thread, the context it was used in, and Rahima's religious defense of it just so it isn't an excuse used again by individuals who cannot rightfully and morally hold a debate. Good Day sxb.

You have tried so hard to dodge the bullet, yet again, my shaddy friend. To summarize your last opinion; 1. The just recently concluded peace accord in Kismaayo was as a result of Cabdulahi Yusuf ( ) 2. Though you have testified in this forum before that you are ciyaal Xamar and have only been to Kismaayo once beginning in the civil war under the protection of your mother's family; you have managed to give us first person look into how the Somali army (composed of one sub-clan you say, pray how large this sub-clan is!) engaged in havoc in the Waamo. Havoc that went unrecorded I say, in this information age. 3. Looting and stolen properties unmatched even by Xamar have taken place in Kismaayo even though there isn't such a publicized incident and even my own personal information-gathering points otherwise. Such amounts of looting and stolen properties that was even refuted by a member of the old Boqor family of Puntland that was one of the men that spear-headed the recently concluded peace accord. You have willing made yourself a laughingstock just so to change the topic and avoid the question. Forgive me if I look at you with indifference, because you don't deserve a discussion on this topic. Human personality is divided into introverts and extroverts. You are not an extrovert tribalis, atleast not here, but I had a haunch you were an "introvert tribalist" much more so then others here and I thank you for providing the truth. For goodnessake I remember shortly ago when you were defending Indha-Cade even when the U.N report about his drug plantations was splashed in your face. Now answer the question (hana is kuudkuudin ileen rag baan nahee) and I won't address you again. Su'aashaad u baahneed inaad ka jawaabtid waxaa weeye "Do you still believe in political capital invested in Xaraam?" p.s. The venue the nomad ment was most definetely not Kismaayo, so do try again walaal.

^Is this an attempt at change of topic on your part? Scientist, Kismaayaan rabaa guri inaan ka dhisto saxib, marka si xalaal uu iigu noqdo gurigaas degitaankiisa, markaan la heshiiyo qofka iska gadaayo, Waa idin soo maraa adiga iyo brother Xiinfaniin si aa iigu xalaaleysaan What have we here from you, again? Kismaayo dadna lagama kacsan, guryana lama xadin. Matter of fact the recent peace accord inside of Kismaayo between the disputing parties dispelled all hostilities. Complete peace was signed that also acknowledged that there was no looting nor barbaric recenge killings. Qosolkaada made me think you thought it was kaftan on your part, but it stunk. Markii Xamar lagaala hadli jidhay waad xasuusataa sidaad isku kuud-kuudineysay. Su'aashaad u baahneed inaad ka jawaabtid waxaa weeye "Do you still believe in political capital invested in Xaraam?" p.s. The venue the nomad ment was most definetely not Kismaayo, so do try again walaal.

^What gave the idea to check J.B's post? Was it because of his traditionally "unique" writting style and how it contrasted with that more formal writting, or something else?

Originally posted by Suldaaanka: ^^sheekoy sheeko. sheeko xariira, shilinba dhuustay, gafanaasheegay. Sheekada inoo wad sxb. At the end of the day, that's all that matters.

^^Armaa anigu laftayda Gabadh ka qabin

^You and the above poster are bringing cheap talk. Convince yourself before selling it to us. As far as I am concerned both Sifir and Buubaa are using their former positions to furthur the territorial integrity of the Somali Republic internationally. At the end of the day, that's all that matters.

I posted an article couple of days ago about Eritrea expelling all the U.N peace-keepers from their country. I found it ironic how the America ambassador in security council [of all people] warned Eritrea for their acts of agression when it is Ethiopia that continues to make a mockery of the U.N and international community. Ethiopia has yet to comply with the international community's decision to award Badme and other border areas to Eritrea, yet no one says anything! Eritrea acts out of frusteration yet everyone's lyrange is cleared up. Amazing iga dheh.

Such a passionate defense for a warlord. Its quite surprising, then, when you express dismay at those Somalis who blindly support the likes of Max'd Dheere, C/llahi Yusuf and Indhocade, because your blind support of Md. Hiiraale, believe it or not, is on par with those folks - regardless of the reasons for your support. Sxb, with all due respect, I have already given my reasons as to why Hiiraale is not on par with those said men. The supporters of those men still support them despite the oppression and agression they spear-head. Before changing the topic into what Hiiraale could do, why don't you address what Hiiraale has done. Who does he oppress? Has he carried it out agression? What differentiates between the said men is in effect that! What could be done is another topic, here we are debating about what has been done and that which differentiates between those men. because your blind support of Md. Hiiraale I don't think that is neceassarily a fair accusation. What I have stood against in this forum is the habitual "support-group" that expresses nothing but lies about recent history that cannot be denied. Hiiraale is not an innocent man, no man that has led a militia is. He has faults and I can honestly tell you one of my sharpest divergence with his "administration" is the charcoal-export that thrives in Kismaayo port. I would in any venue stand up and label that as treason against the Somali people and state! If a topic concerning him dealth with that matter, I would be the first to stand opposed to him. However the blatant hypocrisy and double standards around here concerning why he is in Kismaayo in the first place is not something I can stand. Mis-informing people and labeling him what he is not and attributing him to he has not done is not something I will sit back and watch. Be honest, play fair, and maybe my responses would not seem "passionate" in expressing the truth, the just reality. A warlord is a warlord and I consider all the differences you mentioned between Md. Hiiraale and Md. Indhocade as minor because you are not admitting the biggest similarity: they're both warlords! Being a warlord is as inconsequential as being a human being. You and I are human being, yet who is to say anything else about us mirrors? A warlord is anyone that controls a domain in the absence of a central government. Every single area in Somalia is warlord-controlled. Muqdisho is, Puntland is, Gedo is , Somaliland is. All the "leaders" in those areas are advertantly warlords. What kind of warlords they are is the consequential question. How they differ in that respect matters. quote:You are being subjective and completely partison, so I can only ask; do you hail from Puntland? Great! Now only people from Puntland are "subjective and completely partisan"? That's pretty much as bigoted as one can get. Make an indirect insult against millions of Somalis in the honor (ironic) of defending a warlord? Now don't put words in my mouth sxb. I said you, shaqsigaada, was being subjective and completely partisan. The only reason I could think of you being that is because maybe you hailed from Puntland, since they are at the other side of the divide in this matter. In this matter sxb, not Puntlanders are naturally subjective and partisan. What would I gain from generalizing, when I hate being generalized myself? P.S. I'm not from Puntland and I've never seen Puntland. I'm from 253. HAHA First time I saw this Yeniceri nick and read your first post in this section, I knew that was you. There is nooo way you can mask that sharp wit and famous sarcasm. Would a late wlc suffice? :cool:

I do recognize the minor historical differences between Md. Indhocade and Md. Hiiraale. So, my final question is, under the same warlord-logic, what reference of legality does Md. Hiiraale have? He came to Kismaayo with "tekniko" and hundreds of clan militias, did he not (regardless of the reasons)? I will address those two after I am done responding to your other analogies. However, in strictly legal terms, Md. Indhocade was appointed governor of Shabellaha Hoose region by then-President Cabdiqasim Salaad Booy. Cabdiqaasim's administration is defunct. Indha-cade has brought thousands of militiamen from his clan to subjugate the Lower Shebeele. The U.N has reported on his drug plantations. The locals are uprising and ministers in the federal government are exressing outrage at him being there. How does that compare to Hiiraale? Md. Max'd Dheere can use the fact that he was invited to Jowhar by community leaders as his reference of legality. Jowhar was the seat of contention between Maxamed Dheere and Muuse Suudi. Maxamed Dheere came out the victor because his sub-subclan dominates that area as opposed to Balcad, where Muuse Suudis' dominate. Before his recent media face lift with the hosting of this government, Maxamed Dheere was a tyrant on par with Indha-cade and has even banned the hijaab at one point. The man used his unlimited power in that area to stand against God. I do not know how you can compare that to Hiiraale. Somali women held for wearing Muslim veil Md. C/llahi Yusuf's rule over Boosaaso has the legal stamp of hundreds of community elders from 5 regions in northeastern Somalia in 1998. Cabdulahi Yusuf had the legal stamp in that appointment in 1998. After loosing to Jaamac Cali Jaamac, Cabdulahi Yusuf waged war in the peaceful northeast with the support of his Ethio backers. He invaded Qardho and other important urban centers in the north and did not stop until he was at Boosaaso's gates. The people there were forward thinking and decided that the best course of action was to surrender rather then destroy the fruits of all that they had worked for more then a decade. He then controlled Puntland from Boosaaso without any right to do so but the size of his fist. The man was not fighting agression, he was the agressor. I do not see how he compares to Hiiraale. NOW- I do recognize the minor historical differences between Md. Indhocade and Md. Hiiraale. Minor? Indha-cades relations weren't subject to oppression in a place they helped liberate. Indha-cade's relations were not expelled from their homes and treated as human dirt. You are being subjective and completely partison, so I can only ask; do you hail from Puntland? So, my final question is, under the same warlord-logic, what reference of legality does Md. Hiiraale have? He came to Kismaayo with "tekniko" and hundreds of clan militias, did he not ( regardless of the reasons ) How easy it is to dismiss the reasons. Do you know what was the final trigger to the war for Kismaayo even after the expulsion? Do you know that a young man from Luuq, Gedo was taken hostage in Kismaayo and abused in the worst way possible? Do you know that a knife was taken to his skin and incised with the initials of all the sub-sub-sub-subclans of Puntland? Do know the name of Morgan was engraved in his skin? After enduring such torture do you know he was left to rot in the outskirts of Kismaayo? Do you know who the young man was :confused: I am doubly sure you do not so let me inform you. He was Barre Hiiraale's only brother-in-law. That was the final trigger to war. So I say again, comparing Hiiraale and Indha-cade is like comparing apples and oranges. It is simply not feasible. The history is different, the situation is different, and legitimacy of each ruling their domain is different.

^^Do you know who Buubaa is?

So, Max'd Dheere is a hypocrite for pointing out the fact that both Md. Indhocade and Md. Hiiraale control areas in Somalia through a mixture of means (force, mild diplomacy, etc.), although neither was elected or appointed by the natives? Comparing Hiiraale and Indha-cade is like comparing apples and oranges. It is simply not feasible. The history is different, the situation is different, and legitimacy of each ruling their domain is different. Cabdulahi Yusuf was born in Galkacyo, Mudug region, what right has he to be in Boosaaso, Bari region? Caato was also probably born in Mudug region, what right has he to lay claim to, say, districts in Muqdisho, Benadir region? Were they both voted in? What is important is how Reer Kismayo Elders feel about Hiiraale's leadership of the town. So, I ask you saxib, are they happy with Hiiraale's Leadership? if it is yes, Ali dheere's view doesn't count does it? Appearently it doesnt Xoogsade as Hiiraale seems to have the support of all under his domain. What's also important is how Reer Marka feel about Md. Indhocade's administration. Are they happy with his leadership? No they are not Yeniceri, and that is why it is a very crucial aspect that is forgotton in this comparison. Last month and the ones before, there were very public uprisings against Indha-cade and even arms-gathering to defeat his "evil empire". Can the same be translated to Hiiraale's case? I think not! Infact it has been the complete opposite. Comparitively, Md. Max'd Dheere was invited to rule Jowhar and the Shabellaha Dhexe region by the community elders who wanted peace and a isbaaro-free home - both of which he turned into successes. No he wasn't invited, and no matter what face change he has had recently Maxamed Dheere is the worst kind of warlord. Was he not the man who shocked all Somalis by outlawing the hijaab during the early phases in the war of terror to recieve American support at the expense of his religion's tenets? He controls the region by force, and everyone bestows legitimacy to his person because clan lives there. To end; whatever this news may seem; it was quite obvious it was a politically motivated black-mail. We can also be certain Abdulahi Yusuf departed rather then succumb to black-mail, because when you look at it honestly, Indha-cade and Hiiraale do not compare.

Hypocrisy is amazing. Simply because Indha-cade and Hiiraale might both be from Galgadud, everything else about them must mirror? For the record, Barre Hiiraale was born in today's Kililka 5naad, not Galgadud. But no, its quite obvious the logic has nothing to do with his factual birthplace as opposed to where his clan could be from. Somalis are amazing iga dheh. Well, following their logic, since Hiiraale's clan also settles in Gedo, Jubooyinka, and Kismaayo, along with Galgadud, Hiiraale has as much right to be there as anyone else. Translate that to Indha-cade case and see the double hypocrisy of comparing the two men. But anyways, I don't believe Maxamed Dhere really cares about the logic in that. I honestly feel he is testing Abdulahi Yusuf and that this is a litmus test for whether Cabdulahi can continue residing in Jowhar, his "temporary" capital. It is quite obvious Yusuf and Maxamed Dheere had a falling out of sorts, which might or might not be because of this specific issue, but word is Cabdulahi Yusuf has forsaken Jowhar for his reliable backup, good ole' Puntland! Ar bal maxaa ka jirto arintaas? Has Cabdulahi Yusuf vacated the premises instead of succumbing to black-mail, and if so, where does this "government" go on from here? This is HiiraanOnline's take on Abdulahi's recent move to Bosaso: Mas’uuliyiinta Dowladda Federaalka ee Jowhar ku sugan oo ku kala qeybsan Jawaab uu ka sugayay Xildhibaan Barre Hiiraale Axad, December 18, 2005(HOL): Warar laga helay ilo muhiim ah ayaa sheegaya in mas’uuliyiinta dowladda federaalka Soomaaliyeed ee ku sugan magaalada Jowhar ay ku kala qeybsan yihiin codsi uu u soo jeediyay Col. Barre Hiiraale oo ka mid ah Wasiirrada Xukuumadda, kaasoo mas’uuliyiintaas weydiistay in ay ogolaadaan in shirka dhexdhexaadinta lagu bilaabo, laguna dhameystiro magaalada Kismaayo. Wararku waxay sheegayaan in madaxweyne C/llaahi Yuusuf Axmed uu qabo in codsigaas la tixgeliyo, balse ay si weyn uga soo horjeedaan Wasiirka Qorsheynta iyo Iskaashiga Caalamiga ah C/risaaq Juriile iyo Guddoomiyaha Gobolka Shabeelaha Dhexe Maxamed Cumar Xabeeb (Maxamed Dheere) , kuwaasoo la sheegay in ay ku adkeysanayaan in aan wax laga bedelin go’aankii ay soo jeediyeen xubnaha baarlamaanka ee ku sugan magaalada Jowhar ee ahaa in wejiga hore ee wada hadallada lagu qabto Kismaayo, kan ugu dambeeyana Magaalada Jowhar lagu soo af-jaro, iyadoo la sheegayo in Ra’iisal Wasaare Geedi qudhiisa aanu arrintaas waxba ka qabin. Khilaafka arrintan ee madaxweynaha iyo raggii aadka ugu dhawaa ayaa la soo weriyay in uu yareeyay kulamadii ay isugu imaan jireen , iyadoo uu Madaxweynuhu ka baaqsaday kulan casho sharaf ahaa oo loo sameeyay ka qeybgalayaashii doodda daraasadda dib u dhiska ee ka yimid gobollada, isagoo sidoo kalena ka baaqsaday in uu soo xiro doodda daraasaddaas, taasoo ay warar xog ogaal ah la xiriirinayaan khilaafka soo kala dhexgalay ee ka dhashay codsiga Col. Barre Hiiraale , taasoo laga yaabo in ay dib u dhigto jawaabta laga sugayay dhinaca Jowhar ilaa muddo aan la ogeyn oo ku xiran inta laga soo af-jarayo khilaafka arrintan. Dhanka kalena, Iyadoo la filayo in wafdi uu hoggaaminayo Madaxweynaha Dowladda Federaalka Soomaaliyeed Md. C/llaahi Yuusuf Axmed ay Talaadada u amba baxaan Magaalada Garowe oo ay ku tegayaan safar shaqo ah ayaa waxaa dhinaca kale soo if-baxaya warar sheegaya in madaxweyne C/llaahi Yuusuf Axmed uu si KMG ah ugu wareegayo deegaanka Maamulka Goboleedka Puntland. Wararku waxay sheegayaan in ay jiraan is-qabadyo soo kala dhexgalay madaxweynaha iyo mas’uuliyiin kale oo ku sugan magaalada Jowhar, sidaasi darteedna uu doonayo in inta arrintaas is-faham laga gaarayo uu ku soo shaqeeyo deegaanada Puntland. Warar aan la xaqiijin ayaa sheegaya in ay todobaadkii hore jireen dhacdooyin dhowr ah oo uu madaxweynuhu aad uga carooday balse ay ku lug lahaayeen mas’uuliyiinta kale ee ku sugan magaalada Jowhar, sida Wasiirka Qorsheynta iyo Iskaashiga Caalamiga ah C/risaaq Juriile iyo Maxamed Dheere oo ah Guddoomiyaha Gobolka ay martida u tahay Dowladda Federaalka Soomaaliyeed, iyadoo la sheegayo in aanu madaxweynuhu ku qanacsaneyn qaabka loo casuumay ka qeybgalayaashii kulankii aqoon is-weydaarsiga daraasadda dib u dhiska Soomaaliya iyo weliba khilaaf la sheegay in uu ka jiro dhinaca Taliska Ciidamada Booliska Soomaaliyeed. Salaad Iidow Xasan (Xiis), Hiiraan Online sxiis@hiiraan.com Mogadishu, Somalia

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