^Rayaana, forgive me, that was but an extension of issues we discuss in another section. I have good things to say and, if I'm not mistaken, they have been said. Marka don't let this back and forth btw the esteemed Xarago and I confuse you; waa wax naga dhex socdo albeit in another part of the forum.

In early to mid '90s, they controlled the small town of Luuq. Initially they were welcomed, but their continued rigidity was the last nerve that got on Soomaalis, who are inherently anarchist republic, that lived in that small town. They even welcomed the Itoobiyans who kicked the Al Itixaads. Siyaasad qalaf ah daliil haka dhigin. Al Itihad waxa lagula dagaalay siyaasad iyo qabaa'il bay ku dhisnayde diin kumaysan dhisnayn. Diin ahaan aad iyo aad baa loosoo dhaweeyay oo loo rabay, colaadihi wagii jidhay baa haari waayoo qabaa'il baa lagu cayrshe. Teeda kale, kun jeer baa la yidhi jalbaab is a form of hijaab, and although it is not the only form countless scholars have agreed acknowledged that it is the closest to the ones worn during the Ashaab days. Maxaad u kala saari marka? Meesha waxa loo dulqaadan waaye waxay ahayd, yasida, cayda, iyo aflagaada maxaa keenay oo lagu caynayo wax diinteena ku dhisan? Haday ku imaado doorsho, anagoona meela kale aadin, yaan cidahayagu eegnay oo daliil ka dhiganay inay qasabaad ahayne dooroshaad tahay. Quruxdeeda maxaa kaaga jido? Haday nafsadaadu diidayso, maad u daaysid kuwa nafsadooda u ogolaatay? Hadaadse gabadh ahayn oo nin rag tahay, waaba wax la yaab ah o cajaa'ib ah inaad afka la aadid wax ku qusayn. Inaad la caytamid oo aflagadeesid walaalahayn oo asturane door Alle u dortay waa wax aan u dul qaadanayn oo kaa difaaceeno. Arin la yaab ahaa meesha ka dhacday, though it is something I place under the context "internet phenomenon". Waa tahay.

^Sxb with all due respect, there is no denying that a sub-clan has managed to stage an unexpected coup. A coup that managed to destroy the Benaadir peace process, alienate major players, divide allies, cripple the peace-building efforts, and has led Muqdisho to regress rather then progress. I daresay the men who planned and carried out that coup weren't aware of the consequences! What did Gedo news write about the issue? LOL Does it matter? I can give what Dayniile, Shabelle, HornAfrik, etc wrote about it though.

So "Yalax" means timo jilic? Interesting, aduunbo wax baad baran. Miskiin you have to also understand there are dialects and different sayings and meanings to a same word or not, marka do try to be patient more then anything else.

^This is the first time in a long time I find myself in agreement with you duqa. @ Xoogsade's take on the situation. That is a classic case of "iska qor".

^You're lost.

I would hope some do a little bit of self-reflection while they are own ciid. Future Ciid wanaagsan dhamaantiin.

^ As long as she is representing anything with "Somali" at the beginning or the end, she is representing me, ma fahantay? So Xarago maxaa iga rabtaa? Clearly I have said, accepted, and acknowledged the woman is a humanitarian, a compassioniate individual, and lady to be admired and respected. The simple fact that she built her own hospital is a testament to that. My criticising her less then steller stint with politics does not do any injustice to the aforementioned description of her, so walaal leave my opinions to my person.

^Not at all. Call it immediate surprise. The woman should be applauded for this side of her work, while at the same time clearly being told to stay away from politics. That's my suggestion.

"Making a distinction without a difference is neither convincing nor practical. That every jalbaab is a Hijaab is a fact. Arguing that every Hijaab is not a jalbaab is a useless one." -Xiin "Once again no one is saying that the Somali style jilbaab is the only hijab which fulfills the requirements..[however] As a Hijabed Muslimah who has bore the brunt of similar taunts from the gaalo, this insistence to receive the same from your own brethren is on one hand saddening and the other absolutely disgusting." -Rahima Meesha nagu kala wada.

Originally posted by Castro: quote:Originally posted by Kashanre: My suspicion is some are agnostic, clearly it shows and Allah (SWT) will have the final judgement of them... You probably suspect we all know each other too. And we gather online and conspire to put down Islam. You also suspect we are on some Zionist agency's payroll. Grow up ninyahow. After 7 pages you're still to make a statement, ask a question or rebutt someone's post. What in God's name are you doing in this thread? With all due respect sxb, I am grown and I don't think you are on Zionist payroll. However, I do have my suspicion and agnotism is included in it. That is load of crock! Where has it been shown?!?!? If there is a freedom of choice, I doubt this discussion would exist. I don't need to look far sxb. My own beautiful, strong mother wears the jilbaab proudly and freely without any constraint, bullet, or otherwise held to the back of her head.

Kashanrow, adeer waxaad uga hartaa; aduunyoy xaalkaa ba’a. I did not know that many people harbor such animosity against the application of the Hijaab verse. What gives? That is but the icing on the cake; even after it has clearly been showin that it is a choice they are still adamently opposed to it in the name of "freedom", ma wax kalay ka hari? My suspicion is some are agnostic, clearly it shows and Allah (SWT) will have the final judgement of them... Je vraiment plains des Somaliens et qu'ils sont devenus.

CW, what you led me to believe and what you actually have in mind are two different things. You want a formal war to be declared miyaa (seeing as declaring names is tantamaunt to declaring war)? I honestly do not have one person in mind, because I have managed to add all the people I have taken a disliking to and combined them into a single person. Socod Badne, Gram, and Castro (among others) I have taken the greatest disliking to and was clearly addressing. p.s. Rahima, I am in no way, shape, or form trying to complicate your job in this section.

^Confound them? CW, walaal why should it confound them if they are very sure of themselves? I am saddened by the opinions displayed here and angered against them. Hypocrites (the max) and weak Muslims (the min) are a cancer to our society and the whole Islamic religion. This time and age is very well depicted in the Qur-aan and best believe I do understand these kinds of views will only get worse and more divisive before their culmination in the Day. The only thing worse to come is Dajaal, and with the views voiced, I have no doubt he is not that far behind.

I am not surprised. Dad badan oo awalba waxa ay u taaganyahiin daciif iska ahaa, duufaantaa iska qaadan. Dad awalbo diintooda aqoon, hal hadiithne aqrin karin yaa la leeyahay jaamacadaha galbeedka intaad gashaan "philosophy" iyo coorsooyin la mid ah qaata. Diintooda hadayan waxba ka aqoon maxay ka jawaabi macalinka haduu istaago yidhaahdo "how do you know there is a god" or"proof the existence of god"? Acudi bilaah, o maysan ogo inuu ilaahay ka sareeyo human logic? Xash-lilaah dad badan way u dumi (oo dumeen), waana lagu qasaari (oo lagu qasaaray). Kuwaas awalbo iimaanka la'een yaa meelahaanoo kale hadana noo fadhiisanaya. Tii tan ka danbaysaa u taal, aqiira ilaahii ku abuurtay iska difaac! Munaafaqiinka wax baa u taal.

Women have made this choice! Bless your heart walaal. Debase the hypocrites (or hypocritical views if you like).

Sxb, with all honesty, take the follwing as a jest, but do you have Abdiqasin-phobia? I would think Qanyare is more angered by Suudi's move then anyone else's, yet you ignored the visible individual who has caught Qanyare's wrath and went after a man unheard and unseen in a long time.

d/p

Originally posted by Grammaticus: quote:Originally posted by Kashanre: ]Granted he is adept at his art, but I don't believe he has had any impact on the Somali political arena of 2005. We, including him, are watchers while the game is played in the nation itself. Obviously, only those with guns (declared or undeclared) have any tangible influence in the somali political terrain. Barre Hiiraale might be an exception. How's that for "ambiguity" [/QB]:confused: <--How's that for ambiguity Grammaticus? CASTRO- Your habitual cynicism begs to be desired, adeer. I am not denying the man has had an impact, given it's only to a select few cyper foruming nomads such as ourselves, but has he had the biggest impact on Somali politics in general? I don't belief he has. Simple as that, no need for complicating the situation. As for what I come across; it didnt find a home in the rest of your post which made me think it was a last minute addition. Taasne adee kuu taal.

Damiin lagu sii daayay dadkii ku eedeysnaa dilkii Sarkaalkii Q.M Kismaayo 01 Jan. 06 ( Sh.M.Network) 9 kii qof ee loo heystay dilkii loo geeystay sarakaalkii Q.M ee lagu dilay magaalada Kismaayo ee xarunta gobolka J/hoose ayaa lagu sii daayay damiin, ka dib markii maxkamad la soo taagay maanta. Saakay abaarihii 8:30 kii subaxnimo ayaa waxaa ka furmay maxkamada magaalada Kismaayo dacwado lagu qaadayo 9 kaan eedeysane oo la sheegay in ay ku lug lahaayeen dilkii Marxuum Guraage. Gudoomiyaha Maxkamadaasi oo hadal ka jeediyay furitaankii maxkamadda ayaa u mahadceliyay dhamaan dadkii ka soo qeybglay dacwada, iyadoo ka dib uu microfoonka qabsaday Xeer ilaaliyaha maxkamada Xaaji Saalax Max'uud oo ka hadlay amuuro badan oo ku saabsan eedeysanayaashaan ayaa waxa uu ka codsaday Maxkamadda iyo garsoorayaasha in damiin lagu siidayo dadkaasi, iyadoo baaritaankana uu halkiisii ka sii socdo. waxa uu sheegay in uu arkey dhibaatoyin badan oo ragaani ku heysta gudaha xabsiga iyo sida ay ugu baahan yihiin in ay xuriyad helaan. Garsoorayaasha oo si gooni ah kulan u qaatay ayaa waxa ay sheegeen in ay aqbaleen codsiga Xeer ilaaliyaha , iyadoo 2 ka mid ah maxaabiista la waayay cid damiinata, waxaana mudo yar ka dib damiintay Gudoomiyaha degmada Kismaayo Daahir Carabeey. Marxuum Guraage oo isagu Q.M u qaabilsanaa dhinaca amaanka ayaa kooxo hubeysan waxa ay toogasho ku dileen horaantii bishii October ee sanadii tagtay, isagoo ku sii jeeday gudrigiisa oo ku yaala magaalada Kismaayo. Shabelle Media Network, Kismaayo

Maxakamada Kismayo Oo Maanta Damiin Ku Siideysay 9 Qof Oo Ku Eedeysan Dilkii Marxuun Guraage Waxaa manta abaare 1: 35 daqiiqo la soo taagay maxakamada magaalada kismayo sagaal nin oo ku eedesynaa dilkii marxuun ka tirsanaa qaramada modobay oo lagu magacaabi jiray Maxamuud Muuse Guraage oo dabayaaqadii sanadii 2005 ta lagu dilay gudaha magaalada Kismaayo. Goobta maxakada lagu saarayay ragaan ayaa waxa ku suganaa oo ka soo qayb galay masuuliyiin sar sare oo ka tirsan maamulka Isbahaysiga Doxada Jubba iyo dadweyne loo ogalaaday in ay wax ka dhagayestaan dacwad qaadista ragan eedesyanayaash ah. Waxaana ugu horeyntii maxakamada ka bilowday soo jeedinta dacwadaha loo hayesto ragan ayadoo daqiiqado kadibna ay xeer ilaaliyeyaasha ay soo jeediyeen in ay racafaan ka qaadashada maxakada ee ragaan ay dib u dhacday waxaana ay maxakamadu ay so jedisay in ragaan eedesyanayasha ah si damiin ahaan ah loo siidaayo inta dacwad qaadistoodu ay dib u furmayso waxaana islamarkiiba la magac dhabay ugaasyo iyo nabadoono ku heyab ah ragan eedeysanayaasha ah oo markaasi ku sungaa goobta ay dacwadu ka socotay. Ninka ugu sareeya maxakamada oo lagu magacaabo sheekh Maxamed Cali dheere (Maxamed Facaye ) oo saxaafad la hadlay ayaa waa uu sheegay in siideynta ragaan ay tahay mid maslaxadu ku jirto sababtoo ah ayu yiri shareecadu ma qabto in qof bini aadam ah u xabsi isaga jiro ayada oo aan danbigisa la so cadeyn sidaas ayaana ugaasyada iyo nabadoonada oga codsanay in ay damin ka noqdaan ragan eedeysanayaasha ah. Hadab maxakamadeynta ragaan ayaa waxaa ay ahayd hadal heytna ugu badan oo ay isweydin jireen dadka reer kismayo balse haatan waxaa wali suaal ka taagan tahay goorta ay dib u bilaabanayso dacwada qaadista ragan oo sida la sheegay ay wali socoto danbi baaristoodii ayadoo tani ay noqonayso talaabo ka mid ah kuwa la doonayo in dib loogu soo ceshto kalsoonida beelo ka gadooday xabsi dhigida ragan. Gedonet News Desk Gedonet, Kismayo

who has had the most impact in the political arena of 2005. Granted he is adept at his art, but I don't believe he has had any impact on the Somali political arena of 2005. We, including him, are watchers while the game is played in the nation itself.

Sxb maxaa dhacay? Ma faankii Warlord Barre Hiiraale ayaa kuu soconwaayay? ^ Suldaanka, that's about the first genuine laughter I've had for a while in this part of the forum. Nice come back sxb

Note: make a distinction between the western pronunciation Soma-li-a and the Somali pronunciation Soomaal-ya.

Note: make a distinction between the western pronunciation Soma-li-a and the Somali pronunciation Soomaal-ya.