Hadee Islaanimo dhab ka tahay, Galgaduud iyo Mudug ayee shareecada kasoo bilaabi lahayeen. Miskiin- Waa iga walaah inay Maxkamadooyinka Islaamka ka dhisanyihiin deeganada dadkii kowdi aasaasay. Guri-Ceel, Dhusa-Mareb, and Matabaan Maxkamadooyinka Islaamka baa ka taliyo and that is if I am going to be honest in the face of God. They tried to bring that to Cabudwaq, Balanbale, and other areas in the region but the people of those deegaans rejected their message simply because of the clan the messengers hailed from. I am starting to understand that the main clan configuration of the courts' is blinding individuals from the courts' true ideology. I remember recently a news headline that had to do with those courts in the central regions. Appearently they arrested several journalists (one of whom hailed from Cabudwaq) in Dhusa-Mareb (or Guri-Cel?). After militias from Cabudwaq encircled Dhusa-Mareb to free their man, the courts' had no choice but to release the other prisoners as well in the name of fairness. So infact sxb, wey ka taliyaan deegaanadee ka yimaadeen.

Pure- Cut the crap man. Wallahi it is annoying if you don't see it. Miskiin- I agree with you sbx. THere is so much racism and discrmination within the Somali people themselves I'm surprised they can actually be outraged about what some ignorant cadaan has to say about them. Two thumbs up for changing the course of the topic.

Xiin- All you have to ask SB is does he pray and if yes, how? Ninka inuu Muslim yahay iyo inuu doc-ka-yeer yahay intaa baad ku kala ogaan.

I really believe this has become on of the wierd cyper habits of Somalis. Why in the world would you use an image of and individual you are not and at the same seek attention with it :confused: Basically, leave the individual's picture alone.

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: ________________ Sareeye Guute Galaal : "Maxkamaduhu waxay noqdeen xarun siyaasadeed, mid dagaal iyo xarun fidno, waana ka leexdeen Ujeedooyinkii loo dhisay ee ahaa in ay soo qabtaan Burcadda Beelahooda." Miskiin, you have brought evidence that contradicted your position. If the escapade in Mogadishu was tribal as you say, atleast on the part of the Islamic Courts', Galaal would have been at the forefront on the defense of his "qolo" as history is our proof. That Galaal is speaking out against the Islamic Courts only goes to show you that, infact, the current saga is between Anti-Islamic Sharica rule for Mogadishu vs. Pro-Islamic Sharica rule for Mogadishu. Dadku halkaa bay ku kala safanyihiin. That is the overal differing ideologies of the current battles in Xamar as I and others have been uttering. Duke- I am not the spokesmen for the JVA. I, however, will tell you that I have not read, as of yet, any conclusive report and/or article saying that entity is involved.

I am not here to defend HornAfrik or Shabelle sxb. They are independent news boradcasts and it's not in my position to defend them.

Alle-Ubaahne this is an internet forum. Everyone hs their opinions and everyone is entitled to their opinions so long as it does not conflict with the rules of the site governing civil engagement. What you are describing has not neceassarily broken the rules of the site. Intaa caro muujinaysi, maad ka qeybgashi wada hadalka sidaad na tusdid marxalada dalka iyo magaala madaxda haysata?

So Shabele wile biased has not been inaccurate in their reporting. Well it was "this" reporting aan isku haysane.

Originally posted by codetalker: ^ That's exactly what I'm talking about. Since both groups are claiming "victory," where are the pictures of victory from the other side? Radio Shabelle is simply reporting one side [ Maxkamadaha ] of the conflict. I find Shabelle to be one of the most objective and media savvy Somali news sources out there. If you disagree, you are more then welcome to sxb. Waa shirkad madaxbanaan, iyadeena u taal. As for the other side's call for "victory" (so far only carried by Puntlandpost which I have noticed is not exactly one of the most reliable sites out there), call it a bluff. This is the proof.

Just what I thought. All these warlords care about is their person. Waxa loogu baxshe Xaaraan-ku-naax ayuu heysta. Pictures that proof Abubakar Cadaan/Islamic Courts' has bested Bashir Raage/Isbahaysiga Shaydaanka.

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: If you read closely, that article was posted on Maarso 23. Heshiiska ee gaareen Maxkamadaha iyo Bootaan Ciise's qolo was yesterday, Maarso 24. Since aad Hornafrik ka heshid, inta ka aqriso. Meesha haduu qabiil jirin, maxaa Indhacadde geeye? Maxaa geeye Goobaale? Maxaa other freelance militias ku biiriye qabiil ahaan? Kuwaas maa wadaado kuu ah? Ilqeyre kaliya ayaa taakuleyn yar dhiibtay dhanka kale. Eebe ha qaboojiye dagaalka. Kuwa huu-haadana qurbo ka wado Eebe ha caafiyo. Aamiin labadaba. For one I do not see any heshis signed between Xaaraan-ku-naax and the courts' and I would stay in my position until I see heshis signed between his person and the courts. Warlords and Businessmen have no loyalty to "qolo" until the going gets tough when they call ranks from among them. Ninba shaqsi ayuu u shaqeeyaa, midkastana waa calooshi-u-shaqeyste. As for materialized or perceived support being given to the courts', Miskin do not play devil's advocate. You know exactly why Indhacade, and Goobaale, if they have joined or are planning to join, would join. Are not the courts facing against the combined militias of Qanyare, Muse Sude, Mohamed Dhere, Bashir Rage, Xaaraan-ku-naax (lineage wise near Indhacade/Goobaale), Cabdulkhadir Ilqyte (lineage wise near Indhacade/Goobaale), and etc? Why should it, then, be surprising when the courts' get support? Also take into consideration that the head of the courts (Sheikh Sharif) and Abubakar Cadaan are linage wise nearer Musi Sudi/Maxamed Dhere.

Somehow some had the foresight to tie in together what every anti-Islam lunatic had in common starting from Salman Rushdie. Bravo I say.

^That's not necessarily fair. Duke has a history of positing multiple news reports on any one subject. He has done it constantly, why should this, even though it's very suddening, cause suspicion?

According to Dayniile, Xaaraan-ku-naax's militias are engaging court fighters. That is another example why, even though you are more then eager to pit the ideologies of the sides as qabil-based, it is not, atleast from the Maxkamada side.

Barre Aden Shire is also falsifying reports that members of the entity he heads are taking part in the fighting in the capital. Baaq Uu Wasiirka Dib U Dhiska Xildhibaan Barre Hiiraale U Jeediyay Dhinacyada Ku Dagaallamaya Muqdisho Wasiirka wasaaradda dib u dhiska iyo dib u dejinta dowladda federaalka ku meel gaarka ah, ahna guddoomiyaha isbahaysiga dooxada Jubba xildhibaan Barre Aadan Shire ayaa waxa uu markii ugu horreysay maanta ka hadlay dagaallada u dhexeeya labada garab ee kala taageersan Bashiir Raage Shiiraar iyo Abuukar Cumar Caddaan ee ka socda magaalada Muqdisho. Wasiirku waxa uu sheegay in dagaalladaas Muqdisha ka socda maalinkii 4aad ay yihiin dagaallo nasiib darro ah, waxase ka sii daran inay sii socdaan ayuu raaciyay, waxana uu intaas ku daray in dagaalladaas oo ay dad badan oo rayid ahi ku dhinteen oo ay ka mid tahay Aamina Sahra Macallin C/qaadir oo 3 bilood jirta 3 xabbadoodna ay ku dhaceen oo iminka taalla isbitaalka Madiina ee magaalada Muqdisha in loo baahan yahay in dadka rayidka ah loo naxo oo la badbaadiyo. Mar uu ka hadlayay qasaaraha dagaalkaas ayaa waxa uu Barre Hiiraale sheegay in ay hanti badan ku baaba'day oo weliba ay dad rayid ah leeyihiin, waxana ku dhintay dad ku dhow boqol qof tiro kalena waa ay ku dhaawacmeen. Wasiirka waxa uu baaq u jeediyay dhinacyada is haya ee ku hardamaya magaalada Muqdisho dhinaceeda bari ee dagaalkoodu uu 4 maalin jirsaday, waxa uu ugu baaqay dhinacyada is hayaa inay si shuruud la'aan ah dagaalka u joojiyaan, isla markaasna khilaafkooda ka wada hadlaan, kuna dhameeyaay jawi xasilloon. Mar aannu wax ka weydiinnay wasiirka in Isbahaysiga dooxada Jubba uu ka qayb galay dagaalka ka socda magaalada Muqdisho waxa uu sheegay in aanay arrintaasi jirin isla markaasna taliyaha ciidammada isbahaysiga dooxada Jubba Maxamed Rooble Jimcaale (Goobaale) uu iminka ku sugan yahay degaanka Ceeljaalle ee gobolka Shabeellada Hoose isla markaasna uu fasax kaga maqan yahay isbahaysiga dooxada Jubba isla markaasna uu reerkiisa halkaas u deggan yahay. Ma ahan oo keliya wasiirka cidda baaqa u direysa garabyada ku dagaallamaya magaalada Muqdisho, waxaana sidoo kale baaq kaas la mid ah u diraya dhinacyada isku haya Muqdisho ururrada bulshada rayidka ah ee magaalada Kismaayo iyo aqoonyahanno ku sugan Kismaayo. Baaqyadanna waxa ay ku soo beegmayaan xilli dagaalkii Muqdisho uu sii xoogeysanayo oo uu galabta oo Sabti ahna mar kale dib uga billowday degaanka Galgalato. A T Kismaayo Isbahaysiga Dooxada Jubba oo war ka soo saaray dagaalka Muqdisho Kismaayo - 25.March.2006 Guddoomiyaha Isbahaysiga Dooxada Jubba ahna wasiirka dib u dejinta iyo dib u dhiska dawladda federaalka Soomaaliya Barre Aadan Shire ayaa war ka soo saaray dagaalka maalintii Afrkaad ka soconaya magaalada Muqdisho. Barre Aadan Shire waxaa uu sheegay in dagaalkaasi uu yahay mid nasiib darro ah dadka Soomaaliyeedna aanay ku haboonaynin xilligan loo bilaabo dagaal sokeeye oo hor leh. Wasiirka ayaa baaq nabadeed u jeediyey dhinacyada ku dagaallamaya magaalada Muqdisho, waxana uu beeniyey warar goor soo horreysey soo baxay oo sheegaya in uu taageerayo dhinac kamid ah dadka isku haya magaalada Muqdisho. Leyla Shiikh Aadan SBC Kismaayo

Wouldn't it make it Isbahaysiga Shaydaanka #2, after you-know-who's Isbahaysi? Bring me proof that the IDJ captures and ships wadaadada Islaamka under the pretext of fighting terrorism and I will be forced to agree with you. And all of a sudden, HornAfrik + Radio Shabelle are busy reporting "victories" on the side of the Maxkamadaha and neither one of them reports the "victories" claimed by the Isbahaysiga. I have not really been keeping up with Somali news these days but my understanding is that there was never a clear "victory" prior to this, or atleast since the start of this latest skirmish. All that has been going on is riixmo and after glacing at those news sites, they seemed to have been reporting objectively. Strange, too, that neither HornAfrik nor Shabelle reports Isbahaysiga spokesman's comment about the involvement of militias loyal to Indhocade and Goobaale. Ah, this is out of the blue huh? They clearly reported the spokesman's press release and even in Shabelle (my first link) it says: "Xuseen Guutaale ayaa ku eedeeyay gudoomiyaha maamulka gobolka Sh/hoose Sheekh Yuusuf Indho Cadde iyo abaanduulaha ciidamada isbaheysiga D/jubba Maxamed Rooble Jimcaale in ay ka qeyb qaadanayaan dagaaladaasi." Although I don't understand why the spokesman should be making fuss of support being given to Cadaan when clearly Raage has been getting that and more. If this was a fair battle between two businessmen (Abukar Cadan and Bashir Rage) why does the spokesman of the Isbahaysiga La Dagaalanka Argagixisada need to speak on behalf of Bashir? Has not the "anti-terror" alliance militias and forces loyal to Mohamed Dhere and Muse Suudi been fighting on behalf of Raage? Why the fuss, then, of court militias and militias loyal to court supporters joining on the side of Cadaan when Cadaan is financier of court objectives in the capital? p.s. This in no way means Indhacade and Goobaale are or are not actually part of the fighting. I was merely scoffing at that allegation and trying to put new light into it. Gedonet is reporting that, while Bashir has been receiving support from "anti-terror" militias, so to has Cadaan been receiving support from Islamic Courts' militias and only that. Dagaal Qaraar Oo Maalintii Afaraad Ka Socda Waqooyiga Magaalada Muqdisho Dagaalkii u dhaxeeyay maleeshiyooyinka Abuukar Cumar Caddaan iyo Bashiir Raage Shiiraar ayaa galay maalintii afaraad iyada uu dagaal aad ugu culus kuwii maalmihii hore dhacayey uu ku dhex marayo degaano ka tirsan waqooyiga magaalada Muqdisho. Labada maleeshiyo ayaa isku adeegsaday hubab waaweyn oo dhawaaqiisu runtii qalqal weyn iyo barakac badan ka dhaliyey degaanada u dhow dhow goobaha ay ku dagaalamayaan iyo weliba guud ahaan magaalada Muqdisho. Maleeshiyada Ganacsade Abuukar Cumar Caddaan ayaa waxa ay taageero ka helayaan maleeshiyada Maxkamadaha Islaamiga ee Muqdisho halka maleeshiyooyinka Bashiir Raage oo gacan ka helayaan maleeshiyooyinka taabacsan kooxda la magac baxday Isbaheysiga la dagaalanka argagixisada ay xoogga saarayaan inay difaacaan waddo ay ku taal dekedda dabiiciga ee Ceel Macaan. Warar goor dhow laga sii daayey qaar ka mid ah idaacadaha Muqdisho ayaa sheegaya in ay dekadda Ceel Macaan yo waliba garoonka Cisaleey ay gacanta u gashay maleeshiyooyinkii Abuukar Cumar Cadaani. Dagaalka ayaa ah midkii ugu xoog badnaa ee ka dhaca in muddo ah magaalada Muqdisho ayaa yaa weli socda, waxaana la soo sheegaya in qasaaro badan uu geystay dagaalkii maanta. Dhimashada iyo dhaawac ayaa ilo xogogaal ahi ay sheegayaan inay dhimashadu ay iminka kor u dhaaftay 300 qof iyo ayadoo dhowaacana uu intaasi ka badan yahay. Gedonet News Desk Muqdisho

HornAfrik + Radio Shabelle only report "victories" on the Abuukar Cadaani/Islamic courts' side. I wonder why... Maybe because they are against Isbahasiga Shaydaanka. I know where you are getting at sxb, but couldn't it be that simple enough?

Gaadiidka xamuulka oo maanta bilaabay inay ka howlgalaan wadada isku xirta Ceel Macaan iyo Isgoyska SOS kaddib markii wadadaas ay la wareegeen ciidamada Abuukar Cumar Cadaan. March 25, 2006. HornAfrik. Mogadishu, Somalia. Gaadiidka xamuulka oo aan Afar cisho socon ayaa maanta bilaabay inay ka howlgalaan wadada isku xirta Ceel Macaan iyo Isgoyska SOS kaddib markii wadadaas ay la wareegeen ciidamada Abuukar Cumar Cadaan. Gaadiid siday rashin iyo bagaash kala duwan oo maanta bilaabay inay isticmaalaan maalintii afaraad kaddib markii ay saameyn ku yeesheen dagaalada ka soconayey duleedka magaalada Muqdisho iyadoo gaadiidkaas ay go’doon ku ahaayeen dekadda. Shalay iyo Doraad ayaa waxaa jiray gaadiid ka soo qaaday dekadda kuwaas oo marayey wada u dhaxeysa Kaaraan iyo Ceel Macaan balse maanta ma jirin wax gaadiid ah oo mareyey halkaas. Deegaanka Galgalato ayaa maanta lagu arkayey gaadiid u badan Booyado kuwaas oo ku sii jeeday dekadda Ceel macaan halkaas oo ay ka soo daabulayeen shidaal. Gaadiidka maanta bilaawday inay isticmaalaan wadada u dhaxeysa SOS iyo Ceel macaan ayaa timid kaddib markii halkaas gacanta ku dhigeen ciidamo ka amar qaata Abuukar Cumar Cadaan oo gacan ka helaya maxkamadaha Islaamiga.

Garabka Abuukar Cumar Caddan oo sheegtay in ay la wareegeen Gacan ku heynta dekedda Ceelmacaan iyo Garoonka Cisaley

For non-believers, they seem a little too attached to Islam. Matter of fact, one would call it downright obsessed..

"Suldaanka" and the other bafoon, take your negative presence away from this thread!

I wonder why he gets so defensive whenever a nomad criticizes swing clubs, gay bars and prostitution. Indeed.

SB is indeed Muslim I know you mean to appease good Ducaqabe, but that statement makes a mockery of all practicing good Muslims. Islam is a complete way of life and should be accepted entirely. You cannot pick and choose as if you are in an all you can eat buffet.

You asked me to show what DOESN'T exist -- irrevocable dependence between Sharia Law and being a muslim. In fact Islam be it the Quran or even the Sunnah says nothing about Sharia Law militating faith. To be a muslim you have to believe Allah and profess the Shahada. Are you retarded (not insulting here, merely using the medical condition of mental retardation)? There is so much inconsistency in that statement, it's amazing people have the stomach to respond and keep up a debate with you. No matter what your colleagues, Makalajabti, JB, and Castro, say or do to legitimaze your nac-nac, you will never be taken seriously. You say that a Muslim has to believe in Allah (SWT). Is Shariah Law not the Law of Allah as recieved from his being in the Qur'an? Is the Qur'an, as believed by all Muslims, not the words and sayings of Allah (SWT)? Isn't, therefore, a direct link between being a Muslim and Shariah Law? Since, you asserted, that to be a Muslim you have to believe in Allah, isn't one aspect of believing in Allah believing his words and verdicts?

MAXAMUUD SAYID AADAN: “Ammaanka Jowhar iyo Baydhabo wuxuu kala yahay maalin iyo habeen waayo Jowhar laguma arko Maleeshiyo hubeysan balse halkan waxaad ku arkeysaa…†Talaado, March 21, 2006(HOL): Wasiirka Hantida Qaranka iyo Qalabeynta Xukuumadda Federaalka Soomaaliyeed Xildhibaan Maxamuud Sayid Aadan ayaa sheegay in uu farqi weyn u dhaxeeyo nabadgelyada magaalooyinka Jowhar iyo Baydhabo. “Nabadgelyada Jowhar iyo Baydhabo waxay kala tahay habeen iyo maalin, waayo Jowhar laguma arko maleeshiyo hubeysan, balse halkan (Baydhabo) waxaad ku arkeysaa maleeshiyo aad u hubeysanâ€ayuu yiri Maxamuud Sayid Aadan oo sheegay in ninkii Maxamed Dheere ku tilmaamay nin xukun adag uu yahay nin aan waxba garaneynin. Maxamuud Sayid Aadan waxaa kale oo uu sheegay in falal ammaan darro oo waqtiba kan ka dambeeya sii kordhaya ay ka jiraan Baydhabo, wuxuuna taasi ku macneeyay wada shaqeyn la'aan ka dhex jirta RRA-da dhexdeeda. Mar uu ka hadlayay Wasiirka howlaha shirarka Baarlamaanka ayuu sheegay in wax badan oo cadaalad darro ah ay jiraan, isagoo sheegay haddii aan xal loo helin in ay keeneyso in qolo kasta ay ku laabato deegaankii ay ka timid. Maxamuud Sayid Aadan wuxuu sheegay in ay shirka isaga baxayaan haddii uusan Guddoomiyaha Baarlamaanka ka laaban xubno uu ku daray guddi hoosaadyada Baarlamaanka, “Waxaa noo qorsheysan Baydhabo in aan ka tagno haddii aan tagnana shir kama sii socon doonoâ€ayuu yiri Wasiirka Hantida Qaranka iyo Qalabeynta Maxamuud Sayid Aadan oo dhanka kale sheegay in ilaa laga qanciyo aysan ka qeybgeleynin shirarka Baarlamaanka. Salaad Iidow Xasan (Xiis), Hiiraan Online sxiis@hiiraan.com Mogadishu, Somalia