I think all of you are under the illusion Abdulahi Yusuf is a master of his actions. Has it ever dawned on you that Zenewi does not want the TFG and the Islamic Courts to reach an agreement? Has anyone realized that maybe, just maybe, it is not in Ethiopia's interest to see a united Somali nation and that maybe, just maybe, when Abdulahi makes such a catastrophic political blunder as "boycott" talks in his favor that it is not his choice but the choice of his puppet masters who never want to see the two sides agree? Sometimes I laugh, and pity, the simple mindedness of our peoples.

Originally posted by Paragon: Magacyada Xubnaha Wafdiga : - 1- Prof.Ibraahim Xasan Cadow. Guddoomiye. 2- Sheekh Axmed Xasan Bile. Kuxigeen. 3- Sh.Axmed C/samad - Xogheyn. 4- Sh.C/raxmaan Maxamuud Xuseen. Xogheyn. 5- Dr.Dahir Maxamuud Geelle. Afhayeenka. 6- Dr.Axmed Aadan. Xubin 7- Dr.Cumar Axmed Wehliye. Xubin. 8- Sh.Khaliif Maxamuud Warsame. Xubin 9- Sh.Maxamuud Cabdi Ibraahim - Xubin 10- Sh. Axmed Cabdullaahi Xuseen. Xubin 11- Dr.Cabdulqaadir Macalli Geeddi- Xubin. 12- Jen.Jaamac Maxamed Qaalib - Xubin. 13- Sh.C/karim Sheekh Ibraahim. - Xubin 14- Sh.Axmed Cabdullaahi - Xubin. 15- Sh.Maxamed Diiriye Sabriye - Xubin 16- Dr.Axmed Cabdi Aadan. -Xubin. High calibre, or is it just me. More importantly from every Somali qabiil. They truly are the new SYL.

EU accuses Israel of ‘disproportionate’ force

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^What government?

It's rather Aweys vs. Ethopia. If it comes to a conflict at all, that is. I guarantee you this job will not be left only to Aweys. If Ethiopia thinks it can sustain an occupation in Somalia, let her try. More and more this is turning out to be the deciding moment of the civil war and it's end. Ethiopia and their clients will be rebuffed by ALL Somali patriots.

^the sheer IGNORANCE (not an insult here pal)!

That is what is making Horn and the JVA partners here nervous... I cannot believe you actually wrote that. I seriously cannot. Duke I think you are duly misinformed about you everything you wish to report on. Meeshay ku geyso aynu aragno.

Jimcaale- You talk about dyslexia yet you have been corrected twice on the assertion of a non-existent traditional head.. :confused: I think what you are being reminded constantly is it is not easy to dismiss Hiiraale with Morgan. The alternative to Hiiraale ruling Kismaayo would have been Morgan. It would have been only Morgan and any man who supported Morgan has no place in this discussion. It is why you deny it. It is also why your peers do their absaloute best to put the reason of Hiiraale being in Kismaayo in the back burner. Have you ever wondered why non of them come out and engage my peers as men on a discussion pertaining to that? It is because the merits of discussing why Kismaayo was liberated lays their argument null and void. Perhaps you are not politically shrewd as them, or perhaps an unexperienced junior, but adeer you are refreshing indeed. You are the first individual in this cyper forum who has not attacked Hiiraale on present flimsy simpleton's excuses of "waa warlord" and/or "dhul buu xoog ku haystaa". Instead you actually came out with full force and allege his liberation of Kismaayo was blood-thirsty, that he attacked during Sawm, that he forcefully occupies homes and lands! Everything that could not be farther then the truth. The people who fought are considered brotherly. There are no secrets between them and they both continue to live peacefully and side by side in the city. You should not lie brother. As Ducaqabe, you seemed a very religious individual so in that respect I would hope you adhere to your religion's tenets and cease the lies, suspicions, and outright false allegations. Diintaada xaq-dhawr. Are you more informed then in Muuse Xaaji Boqor? Are you more informed then Ugaas Xuseen Baaqow? Are you more informed then Sultan Sokor? Are you more informed then ina Tarax? What could you possible know about Kismaayo that those individual (some of them who continue to live in Kismaayo) do not? Why have they all admitted apologies for the actions of Morgan and have all praised Hiiraale for his competent and effective stwerdship of Kismaayo? If you are more informed then those personalities, please say so because I would really like to know. Other wise, young man, continue reporting propaganda from individuals who have a political axe to grind. Nabad Gelyo

Yo- Do you sympathize with Habash interference in our nation?

Somalia: Eritrea And Yemen Reached Understanding on Somalia Shabait.com (Asmara) July 11, 2006 Posted to the web July 12, 2006 Asmara President Isaias Afwerki said that Eritrea and Yemen have reached understanding to play a positive role in laying a conducive ground for the Somali people to solve their problem by themselves and promote peace and stability in the country. In a briefing he gave to reporters following discussions with President Ali Abdalla Saleh of Yemen on the Somalia issue, President Isaias pointed out that the existence of a united and sovereign Somalia and the establishment of a central government in that country constitutes a supreme task, before and above anything else, not only to the Somali people but also to all those who wish goodwill to Somalia. Noting that statements made by certain regional or international forces alleging that "there exists terrorism in Somalia" aimed at hindering the prevalence of a united Somali nation is unacceptable, President Isaias explained that if Al-Qaeda and terrorism really exists in Somalia, as it does in London, Madrid and New York, tangible evidence should be presented to that effect. He elaborated that certain international or regional forces, exploiting the negative perceptions and the loopholes created within the ranks of the Somali society lingering from the cold war era, have played a negative role to undermine the unity of the Somali people. "The Ethiopian regime, in collusion with the CIA and under the pretext of terrorism and causing terrorism itself, is the regional force that worked hard above any other party to dismantle Somali unity," President Isaias underlined. He also indicated that preventing the emergence of a united Somali nation remains Ethiopia's longstanding agenda. President Isaias went on to say that had it not been for the negative role of certain regional and international forces, the Somali issue would have been resolved long ago. As the brotherly people of Somalia, irrespective of political orientations, stood alongside the struggle of the Eritrean people, President Isaias stated that it is Eritrea's bounden duty to work for the peace, stability and prosperity of Somalia. "It is our obligation to help the brotherly people of Somalia solve their problem; any regional or international force equally shoulders this sacred responsibility," President Isaias underscored. Noting that Eritrea and Yemen held talks in the past on the Somali issues within this framework, President Isaias pointed out that the same issue has now entered a new stage and that people of Somalia have adopted a solution drawing a lesson from past experience to overcome its problems. President Isaias further underlined the need to support Somali nationals striving to ensure a stable and prosperous nation irrespective of their religious philosophies and psychological inclinations. He also emphasized that peace and stability in Somalia not only benefits the Somali people but also the entire region. Stating that Eritrea has been fighting and challenging terrorism right from the beginning, President Isaias said that if it is the issue of 'terrorism' that has been the topic of discussion regarding the Somali issue, solid evidence should be presented to prove this as is the case in London, Madrid and New York. Otherwise, it is completely unacceptable if it is meant to engage the Somali people in a cycle of endless crisis, the President underlined. As regards Eritrea's positive contribution in Somalia, President Isaias explained that it has been seriously handling the Somali issue so that Somalia may not be viewed as a battlefield for Eritrea and Ethiopia. Citing even the recent statements alleging that "Eritrea is extending support to Islamist Somali groups," President Isaias clarified that Eritrea is not worried about such a fabricated accusation which is designed to serve a hidden agenda. He further underlined that the conspiracy weaved by Ethiopian regimes to present Somalia as a threat to Ethiopia's peace and stability so as to disintegrate Somalia is unacceptable as such a conspiracy is damaging to the entire region.

Hogamiyeyaasha Dhaqanka iyo waxgaradka Beelaha Soomaalida oo aysan ku jirin Beelaha Da***od oo Maanta kullan xasaasi ah ku yeeshay Kismaayo. Jul 10,2006 by Nasteex D-Gedo News Network Iyadoo Gobolada jubbooyinka si aad ah looga dareemayaa dadaalada xawliga ku soconaya ee lagu doonayo in lagu hirgaliyo dawlad goboleed ay yeeshaan saddexda Gobol ee Jubbooyinka ayay maanta Odayaasha dhaqanka iyo waxgaradka Beelaha H***ye, Digil Iyo Mirifle, D*r iyo others ku yeesheen Magaalada kismaayo kullan xasaasi ahaa oo qodobo dhawr ah lagu soo qaaday. kullanku waxaa uu ka dhacay xaruntii hore ee Hay,ada UNHCR waxaana ka qaybgalay odayaal caan ah iyo rag bulshada dhexdeeda Magac ku dhexlay oo ka soo jeeda afartaan Beelood. Cumar Buraale Axmed oo ahaa xildhibaan ka tirsanaa baarlamaankii Carta oo shirgudoominayay Kullankaan ayaa sheegay in shirka maanta uu ahaa mid gunaanud u ahaa kullan ay beelahaan lahaayeen todobaadyadii tagay ayna kaga wadhadlayeen arimaha dalka iyo gobolka. waxaa uu carrab ku dhuftay in ay kaga doodeen mawqifkooda kenista Ciidamo shisheeye, Amniga Gobolka J/hoose iyo dhismaha dawlada goboleedka Jubbaland. Suldaan C/rashiid Durre oo ka mid isimada caanka ah ee j/hoose ayaa ku dhawaaqay go,aankii kullanka beelahaan waxaana uu sheegay in aysan marnaba ogolayn keenista Ciidamo shisheeye, oo ay ku tilmaameen mid sii horinaysa Dagaalada dalka ka taagan. Waxaa kale oo intaas raaciyay in odayaasha Beelaha H***ye , Digil Iyo Mirifle, D*r iyo others ay isku raceen dhisitaanka Dawlad goboleedka Jubbaland balse ay kula talinayaan Maamulka in uusan siyaasiyiinta Kaliya la tashan ee uu ka qaybgaliyo odayaasha dhaqanka maadama ay Ogyihiin xalka dadka iyo dalka. Kullankaan Maanta oo ahaa mid Xasaasi ah marka la eego marka la qabtay oo uu wasiirku hawl siyaasad faafin ugu ambabaxay jamaame iyo beel ka mid ah beelaha deegaanka oo aan ka qaybgalin ayaa waxaa iminka si aad ah looga hadal hayaa gudaha magaalada kismayo. Nasteex Dahir, Gedo News Network,Kismaayo

Jimcaale isimadaada ka aqoon-roon yaa ku yidhaa dhag u taag! Hogaamiyaha Dhaqanka Beesha H**ti Ee Gobolka J/Hoose Oo Taageeray Dhisitaanka Dowlad Goboleedka Jubbaland Jul 12,2006 by N D F-Gedo News Network Iyadoo Gobolada jubbooyinka uu si xawl ah uga socda dadaalka lagu doonayo in lagu dhiso Dawlad goboleedka Jubbaland ee ay yeelanayaa saddexda Gobol ee Dooxada jubba ayuu Ugaas Xuseen Xaaji Maxamud Boqow oo hogaamiya Dhaqanka beesha H**ti ee gobolka J/hoose waxaa uu taageeray hindisaha wasiirka dib udhiska Barre Aaden shire ee Dawlad Goboleedka jubbaland. Ugaaska oo waraysi gaar ah ku siinayay Gedonet.com magaalada kismaayo waxaa uu sheegay in beelaha H**ti ay soo dhawaynayaan talaabadaas oo ay u arkaan mid taageero siinaysa Himilada dadka jubbooyinka ee in ay helaan Nidaam baahsan " waxgarad iyo siyaasiyiinba Beelaha H**ti waxaa ka go,an in ay Hiil iyo hooba la garab istaagaan wasiirka si uu ugu guulaysto qorshahiisa oo madaxda beelaha soomaaliyeed oo dhan ay raali ka yihiin" ayuu yiri ugaaska oo marka uu waraysigaan siinayay Gedonet ay barbar fadhiyeen qaar ka mid ah hogaamiyeyaasha dhinaca dhaqanka ee caanka ah ee gobolka J/hoose. Ugaas Xuseen xaaji Maxamuud Baqow waxaa uu dhinaca kale ugu yeeray siyaasiyiinta Jubooyinka in ay dardar galiyaan Hawshaan oo ay qabtaan shir wayne ay ragga dhaqanku kaalin muuqata ku yeelanayaan taladana loo daynayo. Hadalada Hogaamiyaha Golaha dhaqanka ee Beelaha H**ti J/hoose waxaa ay ku soo beegmeen xilli lagu wado in Maalmaha soo socda magaalada ksimaayo uu ka dhaco kullan ay yeelanayan odayaasha dhaqanka ee Beelaha D****od kaas oo daba socda kii ay isniintii Magaalada kismaayo ku yeeshaan dhigooda Beelaha kale ee soomaaliyeed ee laga soo saaray go,aano taabanayay keenista Cidamo shisheeye iyo Dawlad goboleedka jubbaland. Nasteex Dahir Faarax,Gedo News Network

Naxar- I think you are duly misinformed about the implications of any possible lifting of the Somali arms embargo. Also adeer, anti-TFG does not equal anti-government otherwise we can imply, from your own assertion, that prior opposition to Abdiqasim Salad Hassan from various corners ment anti-government. Generalka- I am not a comedian sxb. I love my people. My love for them is what is causing me to understand the long term repercussions of lifting the arms embargo. I believe that you think Abdulahi Yusuf will get the upper hand in any possible lifting of the arms embargo but I can't reinforce enough just how mistaken you are.. Sakhar- Adeer adigu wax waliba ma qabiil bey kula tahay? Cabdulahi Yusuf dhankuu wadanka u wado ma isku qabiil baynu nahaa ku raacaa? Hiiraale haduu raacay miyaan ku qasbanahy inaanu raaco? Reer Gedo haday raaceen miyaanu ku qasbanahay inaanu daba-galo? Laa! Weligey cuqdadne ima soo marin mana arkin siiba dadkaad ku tilmaantay. Adigu hadaad leedahay reerahaa Puntland shaqsiga Cabdulahi yusuf bey hoos yimaadeen waa mid adigu kuu taal. Aniguse ilama hoos-yimaadaan. Kuwana waa dad shicibka Soomaaliyeed ee guud ka mid ah ee aan waliba xidid, dhaqan, iyo walaaltinimo ka xigsado, midna waa shaqsi isu gaar ah oo afarahiisa ka musuul ah. Raali ahow markaan ku idhaa waad khaldantahay!

The enemies within don't want the Arms embargo to be lifted because they don't care about Somaliweyn they only care about their war-lord let it be the ones in Kismayo or Mogdishu. What's ironic adeer is that "my warlord" in Kismaayo will just as much have the green light as Abdulahi Yusuf to import as much weapons as possible. What I am willing to understand, however, is even Hiiraale having more then the weapons necessary enough to defend the people he was sent to protect from Morgan is a detriment to his person, the forces he represents, and through that to the whole Somali nation. Though you can't possibly understand this sxb, when I stand against the lifting of the arms embargo, I am really idealistic in that I believe the current armaments will dry themselves up and will not necessitate the continuity of warefare (which would have happened long ago if the arms embargo was actually enforced). Even Hiiraale will not have a mandate anymore as there would be no more agression. Hence, Kismaayo will hopefully once again come under the administration of a Somali government and loose its designation as a "reer hebel" controlled city that has so tarnished its image during the civil war.

Adeer even I find it insulting when you call the Islamic Courts "an offspring of the warlords". Just yesterday, members of a single sub-clan annihilated each other in the hopes of disarming one of their negatives. Give credit where it's due, waa hadaadne Muslim sheeganaysi. Aan ku xasuusiyo; Abdulahi Yusuf baan u carabaynaye jana ku gelin mayso! ts laughable that you pretend to be more intellegent than the government of Somalia and the international community on this issue.. Adeer, I don't pretend, I think I am. Politicians pick an issue (often without importance) and stick to it like a gun hoping to convince their base. What's truly tragic in this case is Abdulahi Yusuf's base (as correctly stated) is zero to none. [i'm too aware to even say his clan support him to the levels portrayed in this forum]. So what is the point of sticking to this issue which can really be deemed something to snicker at much the same as if one was watching a circus side show.. What it shows, however, is political ineptitude, lack of competent policy advisors, and, really, not having the interest of the Somali nation at heart! It's becoming more appearent that the "federal institution" in Baidoa should be disbanded. Any progressive Somali can see it's an obstacle to peace, security, and the development towards a prospering sovereign state with its territorial integrity and self-respect intact.

Good Xiin I can hardly be deemed of taking offense Xiin; perhaps that is what you wanted..? I simply responded because you actually thought it was an insult. More's the pity really.. But there are certain things nomads are not good at doing So then you agree that Abdulahi Yusuf should go back to administering tribal fiefdoms right? I mean really, since you hit the bulls eye on that, you of all people should have been amongst the earliest to realize that right? Adeer I don't have a habit of reading too much into anything. I have a habit of reading between the lines and you are a snake (hope you don't take offense!). I await to see to where your real loyalties lie when the Habasha kow-towers vs. the anti-Habasha finally clash to determine the Somali future.. Farewell till then my man!

Duke, the US House was also advised this: The international community has taken to trying to shore up the so-called “Transitional Federal Government†based in Baidoa and led by Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed, a former warlord who is as much a terrorist as his Islamist opponents...all this comes as of now surprise for those who have followed Abdullahi’s career and recall that he was the protégé of Ethiopia’s Marxist tyrant, Mengistu Hailemariam, as well as a recipient of the largesse of Libyan leader Mu’ammar Qaddafi during a period when the latter was actively engaged in state sponsored terrorism...in any event, the utility of engaging the rather notional interim government is rather questionable. It took two years of negotiation with self-appointed “leaders†to set up the transitional government in October 2004 and give it a five-year mandate. This “government†has yet to enter its capital and has even failed to assert complete control in its temporary base in Baidoa. “President†Abdullahi rarely visits Somalia itself and it is painfully apparent that his base of support is weak, if existent at all. Source About any (non-)possibility of the lifting of the arms embargo- Like I have said a dozen times Duke, do you think its lifting only applies to Abdulahi Yusuf? I find this obsession with the arms embargo extremely naive and even at times amusing. It's as if Abdulahi Yusuf supporters have made this issue the do or die of the government (not with standing the fact it also opens the door for every other single individual in Somalia to legitimately import weapons to keep the country aflame)! If Abulahi Yusuf, his advisors, and supporters truly believe (which I believe they do!) that the lifting of the arms embargo is a particular political triumph, then I have absaloutely no doubts as to why the "Federal Institution" has zilch to show after more the half the time of its mandate over.

Xiin- Now we wonder why I doubted your superficial support for the Islamic Courts from the get! Why did you choose to ignore my comment on the late barooradiiq you put together hoping the Islam Courts sully their good name by supporting Habashi kow-towing in Baidoa by the way? Adeer I hate to break hearts so I wont, however.. Yes we are nomadic and we are damn proud of it! If you had thought to insult us then raganimo is a thing to be admired in this day age. Inagaa reer magaal ah sow maadan isku tilmaamin? Heyso, kolayba miray adeerki u dhalin lahayde.. Islaamkaas uma jeedo lakin adigu Kismaayo toban sano kar hor ayaa kugu dambayse, orad sida dibi dhoolki arkay u neefso..! Kol horaan kugu idhi haatana waan kugu odhan, saa kali aad magaaladu ku imaanaysi waa adigo shicibka guud ee maamulka hoos yimaada ka mid ah, asluub iyo ixtiraamna muujinahaye. Pure-blood- Jimcale has already admitted active support to Morgan. Maangaabnimo warkeedu meel ma taal. He doesn't deserve the grace of a response.

History will tell who is affected by this.

Xarago, Rahima is most certainly not what you insinuated. I think she's more closer to Qeybdiid then she'll ever be to Dahir Aweys. That's just to defend her from the clan card.

^Duke out with the spin sxb. It's news portal (no s, see?) and alluding obviously to Shabelle. Now tell me what Shabelle reported that led you to insinuate what you just did? Or was Shabelle this time the usual moderate cover-up for the earlier propaganda one you post? Adeer collaboration with the Habash is a sin in my book; an unforgivable sin. I do not take accusations of those sort lightly.

No. Finish Qeybdiid but certainly not at the expense of his tribe. Qeybdiid is not worth the numerous deaths of innocent youngsters forced to fight for him. I truly hope he gives up before the problem excacerbates. According to news sources, he is encamped in a lone building which hopefully will turn out for the best. The indiscriminate shellings has claimed a multitude of innocent lives already.

Somalitalk is a pro-Puntland very anti Barre and even those of his background as a result of the Kismaayo outcome. I find it interesting they speculated this "Barre Hiiraale iyo Itoobiya oo si aad ah isugu soo dhawaanaya" only because of unremarkable consultations Hiiraale had with the Ethiopian ambassador that he also had with the ambassador from Kenya and the representatives from the rest of those organizations that had visited him in Kismaayo. iyadoo Barre Aadan Shire uu taageeray in Soomaaliya la keeno ciidamo shisheeye oo aan la kala soocin oo ay ku jirto Dowladda Itoobiya. Wishful thinking maybe? Ugaas Max’ed Wali Ugaas Axmed Nuur oo ah Ugaaska Beesha Sade I find this insulting. No such Ugaas exists so why persist in blatent lie? I mean some news sources atleast hide their bias you don't say? Lastly, I think Hiiraale is as close to being a pal of Ethiopia's as our "president" is close to being their nemesis.

^Qeybdiid.