^Barre was never involved in the "clan stuff". The only two events Barre can be accused of in the civil war are the battles for Beled-Xaawo and Kismaayo, both of which he was defending his clan who were under defense. As a trained military man and in the absence of a central government, it was necessary for him to take up the responsibility of defending his people. What you should ask is; in what ways did Barre profit off of the civil war? Sure he recieved spoils from the battles he won [in which he was on the defense mind you], to the victor goes the spoils, but has he profitted off the suffering of Somali people, did he have check-points, did he forcefully conscript locals to his militia, did he put in place unnecessary taxes, etc etc etc. No, and even the good Sheikhs of the ICU realize that fact!

Originally posted by Paragon: quote:Duke: If the TFG is in danger why are they not fleeing Baidoa? Why are they not lashing out, making threats? Instead what we have is the quite, before the storm. Ideed it is the courts who are making idle threats daily. Rumour has it that they have, in the last couple of days, been having meetings to contemplete an exit strategy, erm, I mean a path to flee on . Dowladda KMGda oo lagu wado in ay u guurto magaalada Garbaharreey Actually it is not only Duke, Gheedi seems to be displaying a level of confidence he has never displayed before also. When asked about that rumour (is the government planning to move to Gedo), he confidently replied the only place we will be moving to soon is Mogadishu. Duke- I wholeheartedly agree you with. The Courts have helped and put a new and invigorated life into the TFG then any other thing could have.

Howlo Dayactir ah oo wali ka socda garoomada gobolka Gedo Mogadishu 25, Oct.06 ( Sh.M.Network) Howlo Dayactir ah ayaa laga bilaabay garoomada Diyaaradaha ee ku yaala gobolka Gedo, kaasoo ay wado shirkad lagu magacaabo Ganaane Bussiness oo ay ku mideysan yihiin ganacsato ka soo jeeda gobolkaasi, iyadoo gobolka Gedo ay ka jiraan dhaq dhaqaaqyo ciidan. Madaxa shirkadda Business Ganaane Hilowle Aadan ayaa waxa uu shabelle u sheegay in howlo dayactir ah ay ku sameeyeen garoomo ku yaala degmooyinka Garbaharreey, Luuq iyo Baardheere, halkaasi oo ay ku diyaariyeen xeeyn-daab garoomadaasi looga ilaalinayo in xoolaha ay soo galaan iyo waliba Dayactir lagu sameeyay Run wayga diyaaradaha ay ku socdaan oo horey burbur u soo gaaray. Waxa uu intaasi ku daray in Howshaasi ay hormuudka u yihiin ay qeyb ka yihiin kooxo ganacsato ah oo ka soo jeeda gobolka Gedo. Mar wax laga weydiiyay xilligaan in garoomadaasi ay u diyaariyeen arimo la xiriira siyaasad ayaa waxa uu sheegay in ay yihiin ganacsato dooneysa horumarka gobolkooda, hasa ahaatee Wax siyaasad ah aanu lug ku laheyn. Mr. Hilowle waxa uu ugu baaqay jaaliyadaha Soomaaliyeed ee ka soo jeeda gobolkaasi in ay ka qeyb qaataan sidii loo horumarin lahaa gobolkooda. Shabelle Media Network Somalia

Bravo Sulayman, bravo indeed! This is the latest interview and look how the true Sheikhs speak of the truth about Barre even while he is at Saakow!

Xoogsade For an individual who continously wants to seem (ever since the rise of the ICU I should say ) pious, I smell nothing but a sad attempt at divide and conquer. Divide what I pray and conquer what? And for what reason? Golden questions, you don't say?

Xoog Waa gartaa in sidaa u hadashid. Alle u ducee inuu [Alla waa la i gumaaday] Sheikh Xiin meesha noo keenay oo kusiiyey afka iyo wadnaha aad sidaa u hadashid. We get a flag burning nutter who then claims that Somali Jareer are in fact not Somali, thus their exodus not a problem?. Come on Duke, that's going a bit too far you don't say?

If Ethiopia does invade Somalia (and I mean the sort of invasion that I am hearing about), they will not have invaded because the transitional government gave them the "legitimacy" as much as the rhetoric from our good wadaads like Hassan Dahir and Sheikh Sharif. For a man who has experience with the Ethiopians (especially in Gedo region) I do not understand the political naivety Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys is showing. Why must you truly wake up our erstwhile enemy before taking control of the whole country and winning the hearts and minds of the rest of your people who are confused about aspects of the movement and others who are outright opposed? Caqli gal maaha waxaa, mana ahayn waxaan ka sugayey Dahir Hassan Aweys. Alas I think the good Sheikh is more concerned with fostering confidence in his followers then thinking about what is in the best interest of the movement. Ethiopia today publicly admitted that "couple of hundred" (read; couple of thousands) of its troops are in Somalia and that it is "technically" at war with the "Islamists" after they, the "Islamists", declared war on them. Do you know the political significance of this admission? Have you wondered why in the space of just last week Ethiopia, who could never have previously admitted to having troops in Somali soil, would admit to having "military trainers" in Somali soil to admitting today it has "couple of hundred" troops there? Somebody really needs to have a sit-down talk with the good Sheikhs. Allah (swt) said fear me and have ultimate faith, but we are told to practice taxadar. The good wadaado need to be reminded of that concept!

Yaab wallahi, when the truth comes out, what will be the response? There were Ethiopians with Barre?

^Qaadisiya is worse then Dayniile pre-Qanyare days. It is not in my business to divulge any information but let us just say the individuals who believed Barre is one of Mogadishu's former mindless warlord who takes all his men in one direction without strategizing is deceiving themselves. Col Cabdulahi Sheikh Ismacil Faratag was never near Bu'aale but somewhere else in the Jubbas waiting for the word. The only reason Qaadisiya became obsessed with Col Farataag is because of the numerous angry interviews given to him by HornAfrik (3 infact) in the last weeks.

I do not know why nomads do not believe me when it comes this story. Warar madax banaan ayaa sheegaya in Col.Bare Hiiraale laga furtay 2 gaari oo nooca Tiknikada loo yaqaan Did I not say this Sunday? The first car he lost, his personal car, took place early on when he fought by infantry with only that car as backup. Appearently the car hit a land mine and the second car became stuck in mud. Barre defeated the ones that were stationed in Bu'aale and as Waagacusub (of all medias to speak the truth ) withdrew from the town to allow the other garrison from Jilib (remember the two big garrisons of the Entity in the Jubbas were Bu'aale and Jilib) to reach the town and they are the ones Shabelle and the pro-Mogadishu sites are going gaga over their [given] control of the town.

Barre withdrew from Bu'aale in the middle of yesterday. Holding that town is not important; defeating the militias who gave the town importance is the important thing. Kuwa Bu'aale awal joogey waa u jabiyey, kuwa haray oo Jilib joogey ha isa soo xaadiriyaan. Even according to the latest report from the infamous Shabelle with "20 teknikos baa Barre laga qabsaday" Xaaladda deg. Bu'aale oo dagan Kismaayo 24, Oct.06 ( Sh.M.Network) Xaaladda Degmooyinka Bu'aale iyo Saakoow oo dhowaan dagaalo ay ka dhaceen ayaa saakay dagan, iyadoo goobihii lagu dagaalamay ay gacanta ku jiraan ciidamada maxaakiimta islaamka. Daganaasho iyo xasilooni ayaa laga soo sheegayaa inta ud haxeysa Bu'aale iyo Saakow, ka dib markii halkaasi ay ku dagaalameen ciidamada maxkamadaha iyo kuwa wasiirka G/dhigga. Qoysas badan ayaa isaga baxay magaalooyinkaasi, kuwaasi oo beegsaday tuulooyinka si ay uga badbaadaan dagaalka. Wararkii ugu dambeeyay ee laga helay degmada Bu'aale waxa ay tilmaamayaan in ay gacanta ku hayaan ciidamada Maxkamadaha islaamka oo kal hore ka awood roonaaday kuwii wasiirka G/dhigga. Ilaa 13 dhaawac ah oo ka mid ah kuwii wasiirka G/dhigg ayaa la gaarsiiyay degmooyinka Saakow iyo Baardheere si loogu dabiibo. Si kastaba ha ahaatee dagaalo kale ayaa laga cabsi qabaa in gobolada Jubbooyinka ay ka qarxaan, iyadoo dadku ay ka qaxayaan meelaha ay isku horfadhiyaan ciidamada wasiirka G/dhiga dowladda iyo kuwa maxaakiimta islaamka. Farxaan lafoole Shabelle Media Network J/hoose

Has the ICU fallen for Abdulahi's trick? Allaw umadeenu dhibaato ka badbaadi!

What's wrong with a flag that says Laa ilaaha ila laah?

He seems a bit confused particularly with the refugees cases and the Bu'aale "conflict". Dadku markay waayeelaan, alla u maqan inkastaan odeygaan runtii jeclahay xaga diin-jacaylkiisa iyo firfircoonidiisa. :cool: "Intaa Baydhaba joogto mar dhaw boorsooyinkooda wee la carari doonaan, Gaalkaacyo iyo Burcaan u soconaa, qolodaa hadiiba Barre Hiiraale laga adkaaday ma taagnaan karaan" Waa Sheikh is hubo wallahi hadaan iraahdo.

heekh Xasan Turki oo kamid ah Mas'uuliyiinta Maxaakiimta Islaamka oo haatan ku sugan Bu'aale Isn't he in Dhoobleey?

Ra'isal wasaare Geeddi oo beeniyey in wax dagaal ah uu dhexmaray Barre Hirale iyo maxkamadaha.

Maashallah indeed. Wax loo riyaaqo wee tahay Muqdisho isbadalkeeda!

^Maxay kuu sheegeen? Igu taabo.

^And the wise and the experienced are Ghedi, Abdulahi Yusuf, ina Caydiid? I have never seen someone from "Shabellada Hoose" have so much faith in them..

What report and what newswires? The "Barre Hiiraale is out of the equation" thread? The only reports you garnered were Shabelle saying the Entity is saying "unconfirmed" (read; sida ay sheegteen) that they captured over 20 teknikos from Barre. Then on an interview on HornAfrik, another spokesman for the Entity is saying they captured 8 teknikos from Barre. What other reports? Third hand Godeynews and Goobjoog? I remember you not only used to be anti-Islamic Courts but any Islamic Sharicah. Now atleast we know there is something you hate worse then those. Ha is ceebeen, even get me a report from Shabelle confirming who is in control of the town and what happened to Barre because last time I looked even in their shady journalism they admitted this; Ma jiraan warar ka madax banaan sheegashada sarkaalkaan oo tilmaamaya xaqiiqda dhabta ah ee ka taagan goobta dagaalka uu sida daran uga socdo haatan. mana jiraan warar ka madax banaan sheegashada Maxkamadaha islaamka. Shabelle Aduunka waxaa ugu daran nin aan waxba ogeyn kula doodayana siday wax u jiraan iyo aysan u jirin.

^Tollaw ma waydiisay General Jamac Shire wiilashiisa inay Barre sii raacin? Also, ma ka war heshay Barrow carar Baardheere ku aaday? If not then maxaad Qaadisiyada alle ogyahay aad war uga doonan?

Ok, you tell us who controls Bu'aale and please give us your evidence.

The truth always comes out no matter how much tribalistic semi-media try to hide it.

Nuune, war Salagle ii dheh! Beryahi lasoo dhaafey tollow maxaa ninkaan daaray baan is weydiinayey! Nunne dhankaan SOL laguma arki jirine maxaa ninka dab ku shiday yaan is waydiinayey. Alleyle haataan yaan garowsaday. Nuune, hadaad Salagle la hadashay yee ku yiraahdeen reer Bu'aale ay u hiilinayeen? p.s. Khad iyo waxaa anigu sheegi mayo, direct access to Barre's staff baa la hayaa.

^Bu'aale inagaa la hadalnay, adigu ha is ceebeen.